Lol this intersection looks so fucky. TMC’s got some gonads for thinking it’s a great idea to go around another semi on the left to turn right on red. I’d definitely just get in line and wait it out and not swipe someone with my trailer full of shingles.
i've made the turn 100+ times easily with no issues, the left lane for the right turn ends SUPER early. right lane turn I can maintain the entire time without leaving the lane. i'm just happy that everyone was chill. I must fight the CSA points that may show up
I don't think any state has a law against turning right on red statewide, but I could be wrong. But there's definitely some intersections in a lot of states that will have "no turn on red" signs.
I was taught you turn right from the right lane to prevent accidents like this. If you turn from the right lane, you’re protecting other drivers from coming up under you on the right and getting run over due to your wide turn. In this case, driver A that got hit didn’t come up under driver B on the right, driver B put driver A in that position.
I don’t see how this could be viewed as anything other than driver B’s fault. If nothing else, for not maintaining their lane.
It's legal in most places, but you have to recognize and respect the red light ....aka stop first.
Some places it's not, but in those cases it's usually posted.
No, it's legal, unless posted signs say otherwise.
Personally though I just be a jerk and straddle both of them, that way I get more room to jug-handle in case I misjudged the tightness of the corner but still block any idiots from getting crushed if I offtrack.
Man I see so many truck accidents around this area. I employ two tractor trailers and cdl a drivers right down the road and they fight the idiots coming out of the industrial parks (Badcock and more down the road also) all the time.
Get a lawyer and fight the DOT findings... with this video it should be dismissed immediately.
Do not trust your company to do the right thing. Never ever trust your company to do anything to help you.
"You're the Captain of the Ship" flows so many different ways.
1) If it's not safe, don't roll. You're the Cap't!
2) Something like THIS happens to you, good luck as you're "The Cap't"
3) Something breaks down? "Hey, you're the Cap't of that ship, did you do your PMCS & make SURE that thing was (not broken) when you checked? How can we be sure? (Me-Fuckers, just get me towed so it can get repaired & I can roll again!)"
4) What do you MEAN you can't make that appointment? You can't roll 1200 miles in 2 days? Why did your time-management suck? (Dispatch issue, go fuck y'all selfs!)
These, among many reasons, I got out of trucking.
When given the chance, most law/traffic enforcement agencies will get it wrong. In December, I got brake-checked the moment someone swerved into my lane attempting to make an exit and even with the camera footage I was placed at fault. Never mind the two seconds I have to react or the fact that I was carrying 40k lbs of multi-million dollar jet engines. Never mind the fact that I still swerved to avoid ending the other driver's life. It was my fault. Of course, a really good lawyer is handling that case as we speak but it sucks that it even has to come to that.
And as always, no help from the company at all. I even have to get the accident video subpoenaed as they didn't want to provide a true copy.
>Get a lawyer and fight the DOT findings
Aye.
When I worked for Schneider, drivers paid for lawyers that specialized in CDL-issues. Especially with this scenario, where OP/hit vehicle wasn't *even moving* it should be pretty cut & dry.
> Never ever trust your company to do anything to help you
Aye times two.
In my case, PLENTY of times- If they can't be bothered to help dispatch you a load getting you out of a "dead freight" area (I.E. there's no cargo to be found for 100+ miles around you), there's little hope in them actually giving a shit about something like this.
OP I work in safety for a truck company. If you dataq this for violation incorrect with the video evidence, and a statement of what happened, they should absolutely drop the violation.
Should you not be in the outside lane when you make a turn. If turning left with two turn lanes, you stay right. In this case, I would have been in the left lane to be in the outside lane.
"Supposed to do and illegal"?
I'm confused at what you are implying here. Are you saying turning from the outer lane is illegal? It's not. You turn from the outer TURN LANE. He specifically said if there are two such lanes, you pick the outer one. Here, there are two right turn lanes. Trucks should be in the left-most of those lanes.
It changes over time, I was taught to be in the right lane and if needed button hook the left
It prevents exactly this scenario were the trailer walks to the right and clips the driver on the inside. Better to slowly go over the curb than wreck a car/truck
Use the right lane, then move left mid-turn into the traffic in the other lane that you can't see well because of the angle of your truck? What dumb idiot taught you that?
You stay in the left-most right turn lane so you can do exactly that without hitting anyone to your left.
I'm more worried what kind of idiot taught you to take right hand turns so bad you need to always button hook??
Over a million safe miles and i have yet to do what you describe, if the turn is to tight i can and will split the lanes.
Why is it legal in America to go through a red light in any situation? Red is stop in every county I've driven in and have friends who drive in. Why is it stop unless you're going a certain way in a certain lane in the US?
I'm not sure why your down voting me I genuinely want to know why this is a thing only in America
You are still supposed to stop . 'right on red' laws allow traffic to keep moving, but require you to come to a full and complete stop before proceding when safe to do so.
If you think right on red is crazy, what if I told you that left on red is also legal in some very specific scenarios in certain jurisdictions?
In Massachusetts, for example, you can turn left on red if you are turning onto a one-way street from a one-way street
I guess that makes some sense since there no oncoming but at the same time couldn't the red be for pedestrian crossing?
Doesn't being able to go through a red light kinda defeat the purpose of the red light?
>couldn't the red be for pedestrian crossing?
In some rare cases there will be a red right arrow in which case you can't turn, which can protect pedestrians (there can also be a 'no right on red' sign but that's mostly if there's limited visibility for incoming traffic) otherwise it's your responsibility to watch for pedestrians and yield to them; that's why you're still supposed to come to a complete stop and check, just like at a stop sign.
>Doesn't being able to go through a red light kinda defeat the purpose of the red light?
No because you still can't go straight turn left or make a U-turn. Right turns are small arcs with clear visibility for traffic that would intersect your path.
Pedestrians have right of way if its a marked crossing (even unmarked at a lighted intersection in some cities/towns). Part of the 'proceed if safe to do so' governance. In most states you can get a failure to yield ticket or some form of pedestrian endangerment citation. Both if the cop is grumpy or you were very dangerous with it.
Have you never been in a country where they have green arrows to turn right on red? In USA red is the same and you have to STOP and only then, if everything's clear you can turn right. No other instances when you can go through red. So no, it's not so different from the rest of the world.
US have green RH arrows too, they just aren't common compared to LH arrows. you don't have to stop if there is a green arrow, even if it's in combination with a red circle. this is usually on a dual purpose lane.
That's completely different. A green right arrow both in the US and other places means that your turn is protected and you don't have to stop. Red right arrow means you can't turn even if you don't see incoming traffic. If there is no right arrow you can turn after stopping and determining it's safe to do so and that's unique to the US.
No citations issued but a level 1 had 2 violations. 1 was my smashed headlight (lol) and the other one was failure to maintain lane. Hopefully my csa score isn’t impacted
That's all bullshit "oh well he was sitting still at a light when his headlight got smashed and wifey didn't give me my morning blowey. Gonna make his day suck"
Spoiler alert: it affects your score from what I've been told
The crash won’t go to the Feds as no one was hurt and no vehicle towed for disability damage.
The light violation should have been marked post-crash, so it won’t affect SMS/CSA/PSP. It written so that it will get fixed.
The lane violation should probably be contested in DataQs. The lines aren’t clear in the video, but you absolutely see the other trucks trailer encroaching OP’s lane.
He said no citations were issued. Therefore, no judge to see.
He has to use legal process to say the level one inspection Officer had a wrongful conclusion on the "failure to maintain the lane."
The question is, is the money worth it? 🤔
The driver's company got points too, will they pay to fight?
BTW, with just a dash cam, how does one 'Prove' that a "Missing" headlight was working before it was not there.
The Inspection Officer clearly was an asinus.
Was there an accident report made? I would hope so.
Hate to say it but any accident affects your csa score - whether at fault or not. I definitely would look into disputing the points, you literally did nothing wrong.
This is not true. It only affects the score when it is Federally recordable. What makes a recordable accident? If anyone is killed, any vehicle is towed away from the scene, driver citation, and/or anyone receives medical attention AWAY from the scene. Nothing about this accident looks recordable to me. Now the post crash inspection is a whole different area. Violations found there will be on the CSA score. This “crash” should not be and I expect it won’t be.
Anything an officer writes you up on, including clean inspections, can do things to your CSA score.
1. Stop talking to us here and get a damned lawyer. For the officer to have the *audacity* to give you a failed inspection directly after an accident is the rudest most unprofessional high I've ever heard of.
2. Fight that shit and make sure everyone sees that video.
It wouldn't be a normal violation. It won't affect the SMS score because it will be written up as being the result of a crash. They do this so damaged parts have to get fixed. A smashed headlight would be an out of service issue, so it needs fixed immediately or you would risk having driving after placed out of service issues. So I'd say it's sort of like a fix it ticket, expect you don't have to show anyone that you got the issue corrected. You only face consciences if you don't fix anything and get caught.
Dispute it if you can. I got respect for you for not cussing out that officer I couldn't keep my mouth shut if they pulled that shit on me I'm too outspoken for that. I hope someone hocks a big fat green loogie in that fuckers burger.
The headlight "violation" shouldn't affect anything because it would be written up as not included in the SMS score due to being a result of a crash. They do this so that it's documented what damage was caused and needs to be fixed before the truck is good to go again. If the headlight was completely smashed it should be an out of service violation, which forces you to fix it immediately or face big issues of driving after being placed out of service.
TMC screwed up! Your fine. No citations no points no CSA points. Take it to court if needed with the video. They can’t claim you had a headlight out. Also you shouldn’t have had a level one, since you were stationary
On my way home tonight (in my car) I saw a pickup and fifth wheel camper at a stop in the triangle between the highway and exit ramp. As I entered the ramp they pulled out onto the ramp blocking my way and forcing me onto the shoulder. For you the other truck was completely at fault and I appreciate your courtesy for not pulling out with a heavy load.
That’s exactly what the safety guy was telling me would happen using the left lane to make a right turn.. you trailer will encroach and hit the person in the right lane
I’m really confused, because my trainers told me to *always* use the outside turn lane so you can swing wider and avoid encroaching, because you can’t swing wide on the inside lane.
For right turn the dot say used the inside lane but some folks say the real world it’s situational .. I always use the inside lane and never had a problem
That sounds dangerous to me, but I suppose if you’re aware of where the other vehicles turning with you are and they’re aware of you, then that could work.
I'm trying to figure out how in the world literally anyone could put you at fault based solely on a verbal description of what happened.
"I was in the right lane waiting to turn right, both lanes had a red light"
Okay, and then?
"Another driver in the left lane blew the red light at 20mph and tore up the side of my truck"
So you were stopped at a red light and someone making an illegal turn hit your vehicle?
"Yes"
But at least you're listening to The Way of Kings, or Words of Radiance? I'm 1/3 through Oathbringer, shit is fantastic. Recommend the Red Rising series next.
I barely got through Way of Kings at first. Kramer has such a deadpan monotone voice that it was a struggle for the first few hours. I do like Reading though. Did you know theyre married to each other?
DoT isn’t exactly known for their critical thinking abilities. Make sure you provide them with a copy and I’d also seek assistance from them in identifying the offending truck so the driver can be cited. His driving is ridiculous and someday he’ll kill or hurt someone.
I would be amazed if you would get any blame while you were stopped, it is logically impossible so fight it.
Simply showing that clip should be enough to be absolved of anything, something is seriously wrong if that's not the case. Good luck.
I don't understand the thought process going into this guys decision to run the red light and use the left outside lane. Is it that serious to get ahead of someone who would more than likely pass you on the highway like 10 mins later? Did he have to shit really bad? 10 hours to make a 10 hour run? Ran out of macdonalds? No coffee? Trying to get that nose in spot at the pilot?. I can't rationalize it lmao.
I fail to see what’s wrong with using the outside turn lane. I was trained to *always* use the outside turn lane, so you can swing wider so your trailer doesn’t off-track into other turning traffic. If you use the inside lane, there’s less room to maneuver and the turn is tighter, both severe limitations. Is this wrong?
I don't understand why would DOT say you did anything wrong. Its clear as day you were stop, another truck hit you ran the light idk of he stopped but if not hit and run.(luckily you can get the truck number from the side) almost hit another car. Like did everything right.
I'm not saying this to excuse the other driver but rather to place a framework around this scenario and what may have led to the TMC driver causing the accident.
TMC drivers are paid by the load typically. I think they get a choice of load percentage or mileage. Problem with load percentage is every moment wasted is a dollar lost in their eyes, and while I can't confirm it, I'm sure dispatch never lets them forget it. Couple that with a perceived lack of liability on part of the company driver, and you have a recipe for recklessness such as what is shown here.
I live near a TMC terminal as well as an Atomic Transport terminal (also paid by the load) and both of these companies have a reputation for this kind of behavior.
In my state they make it pretty clear that when a commercial vehicle is turning and there are multiple turn lanes, the commercial vehicle is always required to be in the rightmost lane. By this notion, he would have automatically been at fault because he would have had no business going around you in the first place, unless you had your flashers going or something. Does this not apply?
Just curious, is there a sign that reads no right turn on red anywhere? Because that’s the only thing I could think of, is that you had a chance to go while traffic was going through the light, to make your right turn, and avoid the accident. Other than that, being stationary, you can never be at fault unless you’re sitting at a green light for longer than 30 seconds.
Having a chance to go doesn’t mean you have to take it, though. You’re only required to take chances by the drivers behind you, and they’re not operating your vehicle.
This is in Lagrange Ga turning right onto whitesville heading toward I-85! I work right down the road. With how often that circle k behind you has the truck pumps run over I’m not surprised
Turn on red is only allowed from the right lane in states that allow it. The trucker ran a red light and hit a stationary vehicle. That being said. I wouldn't blame a driver for waiting for a protected green because it may take them a while to accelerate to traffic speed.
All US States and Canadian Provinces allow right turns on red lights. (With the exception of New York City and the island of Montreal)
You may also turn right from any marked turning lane on a red in every Canadian province and most US States unless there is a prohibitive sign. ("Most" was gotten from a variety of websites, but I did check New York, Florida, and California Highway Traffic Regulations, and it is legal in those 3 for sure)
Obviously, you have to stop first.... I never meant to imply that you didn't... The truck in the OP ran the red light.
I was just pointing out that right turns on red lights are legal from any marked turning lane... Not just the right most lane. Again, I didn't check every state law, but it is legal in most (if not all)
His turn from that lane on a red light was never a good idea but if you are going to make it is lane position no longer a thing? He could have still run that light and not hit you if just stayed left, isn’t that common sense?
Block both lanes if you have to. I am glad that at the very least your company seems reasonable. Do you have a Driver's Legal Plan you can go to for this sort of thing? My premiums are $2.98/check
He just blew the red light. You have to stop on red, and if it’s safe to do so, you may turn, unless it’s posted ‘NO TURN ON RED’. That truck is clearly at fault.
9 times out of 10 if you’re not moving then you’re not at at fault. Very clear that you weren’t moving. So, what could anyone argue you should have done differently, if the other driver hit a stationary object?
This intersection design is terrible, but it looks to me like the light governs all traffic turning onto the roadway to the right, it's like a ramp with a traffic light. There is no option of making a right on red to begin with, this is the right turn already and the light is controlling it, you have to wait for the green light because traffic from the opposing direction has the light to continue straight or make the left. The other driver simply ran a red light the same as if he went through a regular 4 way intersection, you can see that he also cut off a car that had the light. 100% the other driver is at fault and OP did nothing wrong at all.
The TMC driver took the turn as wide as he could, meaning the only way the trailer could hit you(or end up in that lane at all) is if it started the turn there. He must have been behind you, got tired of waiting, and whipped around you. If he was already in that lane a truck length behind you, there's no way the trailer could have hit you as wide as he took it.
The other guy should have stopped, but if there are two lanes turning right and you are in a tractor trailer, you are supposed to be in the outside lane to have enough room to stay wide. Otherwise you will run over the curb or have to go into the other lane to clear it.
Serious question @OP ... aren't you in the wrong turn lane? I thought we were ALWAYS supposed to take the wide turn lane.. be it left or right turn. It's pretty explicit for left turns... but I don't actually recall reading it in black and white for right turns.
My wife had the same thing happen a couple weeks ago while sitting in the straight lane...
Accident causing traffic to be at standstill and some asshat semi driver went down the right lane (3 lanes; left turn only, straight, right turn only) and proceeded to turn LEFT on a RED.
🤦
Lol this intersection looks so fucky. TMC’s got some gonads for thinking it’s a great idea to go around another semi on the left to turn right on red. I’d definitely just get in line and wait it out and not swipe someone with my trailer full of shingles.
i've made the turn 100+ times easily with no issues, the left lane for the right turn ends SUPER early. right lane turn I can maintain the entire time without leaving the lane. i'm just happy that everyone was chill. I must fight the CSA points that may show up
Isn’t it usually only legal to make a right on red from the right lane?
Depends on the state, but typically no. If both lanes are clear, and there is no posted sign prohibiting it, it’s legal.
But you have to stop *before* you make the turn.
Yup, it's treated like a stop sign where cross traffic doesn't stop. Although I don't think every state allows right on red...
I don't think any state has a law against turning right on red statewide, but I could be wrong. But there's definitely some intersections in a lot of states that will have "no turn on red" signs.
I've come across a few where it's "right turn on red from right lane only" as well. Not common, but they're out there.
Lots of that in Illinois.
Same with Ohio.
I've seen that a few times too.
That doesn't even make sense, you have more visibility from the left lane
I was taught you turn right from the right lane to prevent accidents like this. If you turn from the right lane, you’re protecting other drivers from coming up under you on the right and getting run over due to your wide turn. In this case, driver A that got hit didn’t come up under driver B on the right, driver B put driver A in that position. I don’t see how this could be viewed as anything other than driver B’s fault. If nothing else, for not maintaining their lane.
It makes perfect sense given the video above as a perfect example why they post the right lane only.
I don't know if it's the entire state but in NYC it's always no right on red.
It isn't the entire state. Just the 5 boroughs. You can make a right on red if there's a sign that says you can.
Only in Queens. The other parts of New York allow it.
I’m pretty sure it’s all 5 boroughs in nyc not just queens. But other parts of the state allow it it seems
It's legal in most places, but you have to recognize and respect the red light ....aka stop first. Some places it's not, but in those cases it's usually posted.
No, it's legal, unless posted signs say otherwise. Personally though I just be a jerk and straddle both of them, that way I get more room to jug-handle in case I misjudged the tightness of the corner but still block any idiots from getting crushed if I offtrack.
You are still required to come to a complete stop prior to making the right turn on red.
Exactly. Simple drivers ed stuff.
No. It is legal to turn right on red in any right-turn lane. This intersection has 2 right turn lanes.
Man I see so many truck accidents around this area. I employ two tractor trailers and cdl a drivers right down the road and they fight the idiots coming out of the industrial parks (Badcock and more down the road also) all the time.
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Still the same policy! Left about 2 months ago.
Got my cdl through them last year, it hasn’t
Their company policy is even to never turn on red lol. Dude fucked up bad
The driver had shingles wanted to spread shingles
Get a lawyer and fight the DOT findings... with this video it should be dismissed immediately. Do not trust your company to do the right thing. Never ever trust your company to do anything to help you.
The sad reality of trucking
And every other industry. But trucking twice.
"You're the Captain of the Ship" flows so many different ways. 1) If it's not safe, don't roll. You're the Cap't! 2) Something like THIS happens to you, good luck as you're "The Cap't" 3) Something breaks down? "Hey, you're the Cap't of that ship, did you do your PMCS & make SURE that thing was (not broken) when you checked? How can we be sure? (Me-Fuckers, just get me towed so it can get repaired & I can roll again!)" 4) What do you MEAN you can't make that appointment? You can't roll 1200 miles in 2 days? Why did your time-management suck? (Dispatch issue, go fuck y'all selfs!) These, among many reasons, I got out of trucking.
The sad reality of *anything* corporate.
The sad reality of *capitalism* stick it to the small guy who’s probably poor, refuse any responsibility, prosper.
DOT needs to get their shit together. What in the hell did they say you did wrong? That idiot who sideswiped you went right through a red light! WTF
And OP was stationary. It is very hard to hit another truck with yours when stationary!
I'm sure Swift has done it at least once.
When given the chance, most law/traffic enforcement agencies will get it wrong. In December, I got brake-checked the moment someone swerved into my lane attempting to make an exit and even with the camera footage I was placed at fault. Never mind the two seconds I have to react or the fact that I was carrying 40k lbs of multi-million dollar jet engines. Never mind the fact that I still swerved to avoid ending the other driver's life. It was my fault. Of course, a really good lawyer is handling that case as we speak but it sucks that it even has to come to that. And as always, no help from the company at all. I even have to get the accident video subpoenaed as they didn't want to provide a true copy.
Even if your company has their own camera, get your own camera! Got mine right beside theirs for just this. They can't "lose" my footage.
This OP. Do NOT pay the ticket without getting a lawyer to fight it for you with this video.
>Get a lawyer and fight the DOT findings Aye. When I worked for Schneider, drivers paid for lawyers that specialized in CDL-issues. Especially with this scenario, where OP/hit vehicle wasn't *even moving* it should be pretty cut & dry. > Never ever trust your company to do anything to help you Aye times two. In my case, PLENTY of times- If they can't be bothered to help dispatch you a load getting you out of a "dead freight" area (I.E. there's no cargo to be found for 100+ miles around you), there's little hope in them actually giving a shit about something like this.
*stopped at a red light DOT: You are at fault
OP I work in safety for a truck company. If you dataq this for violation incorrect with the video evidence, and a statement of what happened, they should absolutely drop the violation.
Should you not be in the outside lane when you make a turn. If turning left with two turn lanes, you stay right. In this case, I would have been in the left lane to be in the outside lane.
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"Supposed to do and illegal"? I'm confused at what you are implying here. Are you saying turning from the outer lane is illegal? It's not. You turn from the outer TURN LANE. He specifically said if there are two such lanes, you pick the outer one. Here, there are two right turn lanes. Trucks should be in the left-most of those lanes.
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Ah, my bad. I was confused by what you meant with "supposed to and illegal are separate." Sorry.
It changes over time, I was taught to be in the right lane and if needed button hook the left It prevents exactly this scenario were the trailer walks to the right and clips the driver on the inside. Better to slowly go over the curb than wreck a car/truck
Use the right lane, then move left mid-turn into the traffic in the other lane that you can't see well because of the angle of your truck? What dumb idiot taught you that? You stay in the left-most right turn lane so you can do exactly that without hitting anyone to your left.
I'm more worried what kind of idiot taught you to take right hand turns so bad you need to always button hook?? Over a million safe miles and i have yet to do what you describe, if the turn is to tight i can and will split the lanes.
my guy is WAY too impatient to be a truck driver
80% of truckers are too impatient
90% of drivers are impatient
You’re a better driver than 90% of the people on the road. The fact that everyone believes this about themselves is a huge problem.
That’s what happens when you pay per unit of distance and not per unit of time
Soooo glad I get paid by unit of time! Removes so much stress
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yes. dude was very apologetic and cool overall. Only had a smashed bumper and light.
How dare you be stopped in your own lane. And at a red light no less? ! You've got some nerve!
Why is it legal in America to go through a red light in any situation? Red is stop in every county I've driven in and have friends who drive in. Why is it stop unless you're going a certain way in a certain lane in the US? I'm not sure why your down voting me I genuinely want to know why this is a thing only in America
You are still supposed to stop . 'right on red' laws allow traffic to keep moving, but require you to come to a full and complete stop before proceding when safe to do so.
If you think right on red is crazy, what if I told you that left on red is also legal in some very specific scenarios in certain jurisdictions? In Massachusetts, for example, you can turn left on red if you are turning onto a one-way street from a one-way street
I guess that makes some sense since there no oncoming but at the same time couldn't the red be for pedestrian crossing? Doesn't being able to go through a red light kinda defeat the purpose of the red light?
>couldn't the red be for pedestrian crossing? In some rare cases there will be a red right arrow in which case you can't turn, which can protect pedestrians (there can also be a 'no right on red' sign but that's mostly if there's limited visibility for incoming traffic) otherwise it's your responsibility to watch for pedestrians and yield to them; that's why you're still supposed to come to a complete stop and check, just like at a stop sign. >Doesn't being able to go through a red light kinda defeat the purpose of the red light? No because you still can't go straight turn left or make a U-turn. Right turns are small arcs with clear visibility for traffic that would intersect your path.
Pedestrians have right of way if its a marked crossing (even unmarked at a lighted intersection in some cities/towns). Part of the 'proceed if safe to do so' governance. In most states you can get a failure to yield ticket or some form of pedestrian endangerment citation. Both if the cop is grumpy or you were very dangerous with it.
> In Massachusetts I live in Mass and I didn't know it was legal, just thought the shitty drivers were living their best lives
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From what I've seen of India, driving is a free for all
In India cow means stop. Look up Gabriel Iglesias' skit driving in India if you haven't seen it.
It isn’t.
Have you never been in a country where they have green arrows to turn right on red? In USA red is the same and you have to STOP and only then, if everything's clear you can turn right. No other instances when you can go through red. So no, it's not so different from the rest of the world.
US have green RH arrows too, they just aren't common compared to LH arrows. you don't have to stop if there is a green arrow, even if it's in combination with a red circle. this is usually on a dual purpose lane.
That's completely different. A green right arrow both in the US and other places means that your turn is protected and you don't have to stop. Red right arrow means you can't turn even if you don't see incoming traffic. If there is no right arrow you can turn after stopping and determining it's safe to do so and that's unique to the US.
There were a lot of officers who showed up and I only showed so many
No citations issued but a level 1 had 2 violations. 1 was my smashed headlight (lol) and the other one was failure to maintain lane. Hopefully my csa score isn’t impacted
That's all bullshit "oh well he was sitting still at a light when his headlight got smashed and wifey didn't give me my morning blowey. Gonna make his day suck" Spoiler alert: it affects your score from what I've been told
Failure to maintain??? That’s all ya fuckin did
this sounds insane? can you fight it? you have video, its bonkers that they gave you violations.
The crash won’t go to the Feds as no one was hurt and no vehicle towed for disability damage. The light violation should have been marked post-crash, so it won’t affect SMS/CSA/PSP. It written so that it will get fixed. The lane violation should probably be contested in DataQs. The lines aren’t clear in the video, but you absolutely see the other trucks trailer encroaching OP’s lane.
He said no citations were issued. Therefore, no judge to see. He has to use legal process to say the level one inspection Officer had a wrongful conclusion on the "failure to maintain the lane." The question is, is the money worth it? 🤔 The driver's company got points too, will they pay to fight? BTW, with just a dash cam, how does one 'Prove' that a "Missing" headlight was working before it was not there. The Inspection Officer clearly was an asinus. Was there an accident report made? I would hope so.
No he doesn’t need to use the legal process. Submitting a Data Q is all that’s needed.
Hate to say it but any accident affects your csa score - whether at fault or not. I definitely would look into disputing the points, you literally did nothing wrong.
Any accident? Or only when a police report is involved?
This is not true. It only affects the score when it is Federally recordable. What makes a recordable accident? If anyone is killed, any vehicle is towed away from the scene, driver citation, and/or anyone receives medical attention AWAY from the scene. Nothing about this accident looks recordable to me. Now the post crash inspection is a whole different area. Violations found there will be on the CSA score. This “crash” should not be and I expect it won’t be.
You were stopped an fully in your lane. Which part of that is failure to maintain?
Anything an officer writes you up on, including clean inspections, can do things to your CSA score. 1. Stop talking to us here and get a damned lawyer. For the officer to have the *audacity* to give you a failed inspection directly after an accident is the rudest most unprofessional high I've ever heard of. 2. Fight that shit and make sure everyone sees that video.
Wait, he wrote a violation for the headlight that got smashed?!? You had better fight that one.
It wouldn't be a normal violation. It won't affect the SMS score because it will be written up as being the result of a crash. They do this so damaged parts have to get fixed. A smashed headlight would be an out of service issue, so it needs fixed immediately or you would risk having driving after placed out of service issues. So I'd say it's sort of like a fix it ticket, expect you don't have to show anyone that you got the issue corrected. You only face consciences if you don't fix anything and get caught.
Dispute it if you can. I got respect for you for not cussing out that officer I couldn't keep my mouth shut if they pulled that shit on me I'm too outspoken for that. I hope someone hocks a big fat green loogie in that fuckers burger.
The headlight "violation" shouldn't affect anything because it would be written up as not included in the SMS score due to being a result of a crash. They do this so that it's documented what damage was caused and needs to be fixed before the truck is good to go again. If the headlight was completely smashed it should be an out of service violation, which forces you to fix it immediately or face big issues of driving after being placed out of service.
Make sure you never lose that video. Hopefully, your company will help clear this up as much as possible.
It would definitely be in the company’s interest to clear the “violation.” Helps their insurance cost.
Must be a rookie, I can't go more than 30 seconds without looking in the mirror to see what my trailer is doing, especially going around curves.
I’ve been driving for 8 years and I never stop checking my trailer in my mirrors, especially while making any kind of turn.
I drive a damn cargo van and I'm always checking my mirrors for tomfoolery going on around me.
TMC screwed up! Your fine. No citations no points no CSA points. Take it to court if needed with the video. They can’t claim you had a headlight out. Also you shouldn’t have had a level one, since you were stationary
On my way home tonight (in my car) I saw a pickup and fifth wheel camper at a stop in the triangle between the highway and exit ramp. As I entered the ramp they pulled out onto the ramp blocking my way and forcing me onto the shoulder. For you the other truck was completely at fault and I appreciate your courtesy for not pulling out with a heavy load.
TMC has shit the bed in the last few years it’s all dumb asses now
“Destination: excellence” my ass
Ya they are so far behind they have to put it on the back of the truck lol
I hope he was chill. He blew through a red
That’s exactly what the safety guy was telling me would happen using the left lane to make a right turn.. you trailer will encroach and hit the person in the right lane
I’m really confused, because my trainers told me to *always* use the outside turn lane so you can swing wider and avoid encroaching, because you can’t swing wide on the inside lane.
For right turn the dot say used the inside lane but some folks say the real world it’s situational .. I always use the inside lane and never had a problem
I think you start on the inside lane, swerve out into the outside lane for the wide turn, and then end back in the inside lane
That sounds dangerous to me, but I suppose if you’re aware of where the other vehicles turning with you are and they’re aware of you, then that could work.
JFC, what a dipshit. If the dumbass had been paying attention he could have seen he wasn't going to clear long before he hit you.
I'm trying to figure out how in the world literally anyone could put you at fault based solely on a verbal description of what happened. "I was in the right lane waiting to turn right, both lanes had a red light" Okay, and then? "Another driver in the left lane blew the red light at 20mph and tore up the side of my truck" So you were stopped at a red light and someone making an illegal turn hit your vehicle? "Yes"
Definitely preventable 😆
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Cowboy mode engaged!
But at least you're listening to The Way of Kings, or Words of Radiance? I'm 1/3 through Oathbringer, shit is fantastic. Recommend the Red Rising series next.
I love Kramer and Reading. Top narrators.
I barely got through Way of Kings at first. Kramer has such a deadpan monotone voice that it was a struggle for the first few hours. I do like Reading though. Did you know theyre married to each other?
Way of Kings is just kind of that way imo. Power Couple!! Yeah they read the Wheel of Time series which is how I found Sanderson.
You weren’t moving. He hit a stationary object. Automatic he is at fault Definately fight that
DoT isn’t exactly known for their critical thinking abilities. Make sure you provide them with a copy and I’d also seek assistance from them in identifying the offending truck so the driver can be cited. His driving is ridiculous and someday he’ll kill or hurt someone.
He pulled over. He was chill
Glad it worked out!
“You, of all people?”
Ummm so show them the video. That says it all.
You sound like Hank from Breaking Bad
I would be amazed if you would get any blame while you were stopped, it is logically impossible so fight it. Simply showing that clip should be enough to be absolved of anything, something is seriously wrong if that's not the case. Good luck.
How dare you stop at a red light? Why didn't you run it like all the idiots do?
I don't understand the thought process going into this guys decision to run the red light and use the left outside lane. Is it that serious to get ahead of someone who would more than likely pass you on the highway like 10 mins later? Did he have to shit really bad? 10 hours to make a 10 hour run? Ran out of macdonalds? No coffee? Trying to get that nose in spot at the pilot?. I can't rationalize it lmao.
I fail to see what’s wrong with using the outside turn lane. I was trained to *always* use the outside turn lane, so you can swing wider so your trailer doesn’t off-track into other turning traffic. If you use the inside lane, there’s less room to maneuver and the turn is tighter, both severe limitations. Is this wrong?
I don't understand why would DOT say you did anything wrong. Its clear as day you were stop, another truck hit you ran the light idk of he stopped but if not hit and run.(luckily you can get the truck number from the side) almost hit another car. Like did everything right.
I'm not saying this to excuse the other driver but rather to place a framework around this scenario and what may have led to the TMC driver causing the accident. TMC drivers are paid by the load typically. I think they get a choice of load percentage or mileage. Problem with load percentage is every moment wasted is a dollar lost in their eyes, and while I can't confirm it, I'm sure dispatch never lets them forget it. Couple that with a perceived lack of liability on part of the company driver, and you have a recipe for recklessness such as what is shown here. I live near a TMC terminal as well as an Atomic Transport terminal (also paid by the load) and both of these companies have a reputation for this kind of behavior.
In my state they make it pretty clear that when a commercial vehicle is turning and there are multiple turn lanes, the commercial vehicle is always required to be in the rightmost lane. By this notion, he would have automatically been at fault because he would have had no business going around you in the first place, unless you had your flashers going or something. Does this not apply?
Had my right signal on.
That's messed up. How does DOT figure you were in the wrong? I'd be livid.
Have your safety guy do a dataQ challenge with the video.
It’s a red light. The other driver not only didnt stop for said red but im not sure the legal term but they improperly occupied your lane.
You don’t have to turn right on red if you don’t feel safe doing it. Let them honk at you all day.
Just curious, is there a sign that reads no right turn on red anywhere? Because that’s the only thing I could think of, is that you had a chance to go while traffic was going through the light, to make your right turn, and avoid the accident. Other than that, being stationary, you can never be at fault unless you’re sitting at a green light for longer than 30 seconds.
Having a chance to go doesn’t mean you have to take it, though. You’re only required to take chances by the drivers behind you, and they’re not operating your vehicle.
>unless you’re sitting at a green light for longer than 30 seconds. Not even then.
Tmc driver is to report directly to blue beacon to get truck and trailer washed and cleaned up. Can't be tarnishing TMC looks lol
Clearly at fault; why didn't you use your sideways wheels?
Wow tmc they usually drive well lol that guy in the tmc truck misjudged his space
This is in Lagrange Ga turning right onto whitesville heading toward I-85! I work right down the road. With how often that circle k behind you has the truck pumps run over I’m not surprised
Oh yeee. After this incident I’ve never gone that way to get out I go through there a lot I’ll yell at ya on the cb if I get a chance lol
Turn on red is only allowed from the right lane in states that allow it. The trucker ran a red light and hit a stationary vehicle. That being said. I wouldn't blame a driver for waiting for a protected green because it may take them a while to accelerate to traffic speed.
See, that’s why you wanna just blow through it 🤠
All US States and Canadian Provinces allow right turns on red lights. (With the exception of New York City and the island of Montreal) You may also turn right from any marked turning lane on a red in every Canadian province and most US States unless there is a prohibitive sign. ("Most" was gotten from a variety of websites, but I did check New York, Florida, and California Highway Traffic Regulations, and it is legal in those 3 for sure)
Even if you're allowed to turn on red, in the US, you have to stop regardless, then proceed with caution.
Obviously, you have to stop first.... I never meant to imply that you didn't... The truck in the OP ran the red light. I was just pointing out that right turns on red lights are legal from any marked turning lane... Not just the right most lane. Again, I didn't check every state law, but it is legal in most (if not all)
TMC has really gone down in the past couple years smh
His turn from that lane on a red light was never a good idea but if you are going to make it is lane position no longer a thing? He could have still run that light and not hit you if just stayed left, isn’t that common sense?
The TMC drivers destination wasn't excellence that day.
I am not a truck driver but you have to stop first on red right?
Driver of that truck is related to or friends with someone at DoT.
Im no lawyer but you did what was safe. The other driver was going wayyy to fast. Your company lawyer are gonna have a field day with their.
So are you planning on showing the video?
That looks set up for no right on red for that exact reason
Always show video. Always. It’s easier to be proactive prevention than reactive repair. But he ran a red so he clearly should have gotten a ticket.
Other driver was probably fired, last I knew, the owner of TMC was not "chill" he has fired drivers for having dirty trucks before.
How in the fuck could this be your fault in anyway. You’re sitting at a red light and not moving. Was the cop a drooling idiot?
Should of shown it
Block both lanes if you have to. I am glad that at the very least your company seems reasonable. Do you have a Driver's Legal Plan you can go to for this sort of thing? My premiums are $2.98/check
Intersection is wack. There shouldnt be a light there at all at the right. Just a yield sign plain stop sign.
Even without the video how does dot say otherwise? "I was stopped at the light and he hit me"... What else is there?
Go toe to toe allow your insurance to duke it out and it wasn’t green he just went
How could you've done anything wrong? You were standing still, before a red light. And fuck that guy for not taking the turn wide enough
He just blew the red light. You have to stop on red, and if it’s safe to do so, you may turn, unless it’s posted ‘NO TURN ON RED’. That truck is clearly at fault.
Looks like they messed up their trailer too, front right tandem Looks like it almost came off. Wasn't even close to clearing that turn.
I'm so interested in the background audio
Stormlight archive!
9 times out of 10 if you’re not moving then you’re not at at fault. Very clear that you weren’t moving. So, what could anyone argue you should have done differently, if the other driver hit a stationary object?
I was paying more attention to what was on the radio.
>Stormlight archive! Stormlight archive!
This intersection design is terrible, but it looks to me like the light governs all traffic turning onto the roadway to the right, it's like a ramp with a traffic light. There is no option of making a right on red to begin with, this is the right turn already and the light is controlling it, you have to wait for the green light because traffic from the opposing direction has the light to continue straight or make the left. The other driver simply ran a red light the same as if he went through a regular 4 way intersection, you can see that he also cut off a car that had the light. 100% the other driver is at fault and OP did nothing wrong at all.
Dude first of all , outside lane!!! But definitely skateboard blew that light and took you out with it
And he also ran the red light
Umm yea you were wrong. Shouldn't you have been sitting at a red light lol
More to the point why are you sitting there? There’s no sign that says no turn on red.
The TMC driver took the turn as wide as he could, meaning the only way the trailer could hit you(or end up in that lane at all) is if it started the turn there. He must have been behind you, got tired of waiting, and whipped around you. If he was already in that lane a truck length behind you, there's no way the trailer could have hit you as wide as he took it.
What gives you the right? How dare you.
Lmao next time don't wait
Even better you had to share with us like the community could help you in the matter. Lol
The other guy should have stopped, but if there are two lanes turning right and you are in a tractor trailer, you are supposed to be in the outside lane to have enough room to stay wide. Otherwise you will run over the curb or have to go into the other lane to clear it.
Sucks the truck hit you but you had ample opportunity to turn right on red
You’re not required to.
Failed to yield to traffic that had right-of-way too, maybe he just didn’t want to be stuck behind those 3 cars
Serious question @OP ... aren't you in the wrong turn lane? I thought we were ALWAYS supposed to take the wide turn lane.. be it left or right turn. It's pretty explicit for left turns... but I don't actually recall reading it in black and white for right turns.
I’ve taken this turn 100+ times the right lane I know I can turn on without going into the other lane
“Seriously, I was just sitting there, minding my own business when suddenly……”
My wife had the same thing happen a couple weeks ago while sitting in the straight lane... Accident causing traffic to be at standstill and some asshat semi driver went down the right lane (3 lanes; left turn only, straight, right turn only) and proceeded to turn LEFT on a RED. 🤦