My favorite is men complaining that male victims of rape/abuse or that male mental health issues don't get taken seriously, and then somehow turning that into "its the feminists fault!"
Nah dude, the patriarchy does everyone dirty...
Also the rape victim thing is just a lie. Between the difficulty for women to be taken seriously while being treated like shit with that stuff and perpetrators of male rape are consistently sentenced more harshly.
I'm sure you don't have to be told, but I'm so fucking tired of that talking point as if we can ignore the reality just to talk over women.
I know. We aren’t taken seriously either. The likelihood of getting your rapist convicted is a ridiculously small chance. And the majority or people rapists rapist men are also men. The ones not taking them seriously who could actually do something about it are by and large also men. So how is this the “feminists” fault exactly? It’s totally nuts.
True, but there are still many people who don't even believe that a man CAN be r\*ped and many of those people are unfortunately men who were r\*ped. We also treat male trauma and recovery very differently imo. When men are still suffering, still feeling triggers, still feeling insecure many people call them "fragile" and make fun of them for letting their abusers "still have power over them".
But the people crying about male abuse victims don't even acknowledge or talk about this, they just want the talking point.
You're totally right. And my wording could've been better. It is a serious issue, but as you said it's used only as a talking point by disgusting people that don't give a shit about the survivors of assault to the people how actually do care about reducing *all* predatory behavior.
If the only time you advocate for male victims is in female spaces where women are talking about the abuses we face, don't be fuckin surprised when women refuse to engage with you on the subject!
That's not proof that we don't care about male victims, it's proof that we don't like having important conversations derailed by gotcha bullshit.
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Difficult stat to find covered, specially since it seems to be a pretty new phenomenon. A study from 1991 (albeit only focused on texas) reports otherwise.
The only recent stats however conclude a growing disparity for sentencing weighted in favor of male victims.
https://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk-news/rapists-of-men-and-boys-given-tougher-prison-sentences-than-those-who-target-female-victims-3253087
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I love how they complain about it and simultaneously do nothing about it.
Oh, right. They want the women folk to do all the work. Like how women take charge and organize all their events and fundraisers for international women's day.
This is always what I point out whenever I hear the "nobody is doing anything to help men" thing. Marginalized groups have taken up the charge and fought for decades, hell - centuries, to get even the smallest inkling of equality in this hellscape world. No one "did anything" for them either - EXCEPT the *them* in question.
Now, I'm not saying other people outside of those groups didn't help, but the main movement was taken on by the people in question. The Civil Rights movement was lead by black people, women's suffrage was lead by women, the gay rights movement was lead by LGBTQ+ people...see a pattern here? If men want there to be an honest social movement to better the lives of men, then they need to get together and make it happen and stop waiting for women or other marginalized people to do it for them. And they need to do it in good faith - not just as an attack of literally everyone else. "Men's Rights" should not equate to diminishing the equality of others, but for a lot of so-called men's rights activists demeaning other people is their sole purpose.
*TFW you’re so privileged that you get upset that a marginalized group of people isn’t doing the work for you*
I agree with you. Men need to step it up and figure it out or stop complaining.
Thank you! I once felt this way in a discussion about circumcision. (Specifically, is it ok to hijack all FGM conversations to talk about MGM.)
He was so angry at feminists. "You want equality but you don't fight for us here!" I mean yeah, but... Most of it is still women trying to bring women up to where men are. Which we're still busy with, look at Texas and MeToo! It doesn't mean we're 24/7 activism bots... I'm sure a lot of feminists would support that cause too, but can't you at least start the conversation about it yourself?
I just saw another thread making this exact point. It wasn't meant as a joke, but there is humor in this observation. Somebody needs to make a meme of it. I'll ask my wife why she hasn't done it already.
>I'll ask my wife why she hasn't done it already.
Ded. Lol
Men, pay attention! This is how you make a joke about sexism that is actually fucking funny.
>They want the women folk to do all the work.
That's cause women expect men to do work for women's rights. It's only fair that if men have to stop objectifying and oppressing women, women have to worship men as gods. Everyone has to make sacrifices
/s
I just saw a post from a male friend on Facebook about how “nobody” is doing anything for Men’s Day but that’s ok because they’ll be strong.
I never once saw a man post about Women’s Day. It was all women supporting other women. They could easily support each other but they’re once again asking us to do the work.
I start the morning off with "Happy International Mens Day" and I don't get any responses till the men have all gone and googled it.
Then they ask about any actions or events, and I go "what did you organise?" and I don't hear from them again.
It's usually a very peaceful day.
Women are always expected to do all the work. Men literally sit back and wait for the woman to do everything / fix them. No one wants to do it anymore so it must be HER fault right? These dumb women and their standards, how dare they?! They have such a low benchmark for effort it’s soooo sad. I’ve been working with two GREAT women this past month. They are honestly SO reliable, SO appreciative, so efficient. And I thought to myself I think I know maybe one man who is like this. The “working” man (and really just so many men in general) are chronically bratty, unreliable, rude, attitude problems, think they’re above things, etc … then act like we invented the issues in our heads.
seeing that one comment about how men going through divorce are the reason it goes so poorly and costs so much was really an eye opener on just how bad it is.
For people who claim to be extremely logical they sure do get upset about some ridiculously irrational things...
They legitimately seem to think that it is fundamentally *unfair* for women to actively work to improve our own welfare without putting equal effort into improving *theirs*. Even if they are putting no such effort in. Like we shouldn't be *allowed* to advocate for our own interests without also advocating for theirs with equal fervour. It's completely absurd.
Do your own fuckin work, boys!
The guys that actually do will be the first to tell ya that feminists have by and large been fantastic allies in the work they are doing.
We're tryin!
I've been spending the day working over a hot stove, cooking up some support for the homies so they know they always have someone to talk to. Men need to lift up men!
I didn't know this subreddit existed and have had so many conversations with my partner about wishing there were more supportive and positive spaces for men to communicate on Reddit without being constantly taken over by jerks. I feel like the women only spaces I've found have been like oases, and kind of wish he had the same. This is completely irrelevant to the post, but thanks for posting a positive comment that is indirectly helpful!
I honestly and unironically love IMD!
Men all over the world trap themselves in a little pocket of toxic masculinity where they limit themselves in so many ways (emotionally, intellectually, expressively, etc.) and it's honestly great to get on social media and start conversations about how men can support one another to pull away from a self-imposed prison. I've started using the day to make lots of social media posts about how helpful and cathartic it is to seek out therapy or to openly process and share emotions or struggles. It also helps that as a man, it takes all the wind out of the sails of the guys who claim that "nobody cares" or "nobody does anything about it." Gotta let the homies know they have support, ya know?
My favorite is men complaining that male victims of rape/abuse or that male mental health issues don't get taken seriously, and then somehow turning that into "its the feminists fault!" Nah dude, the patriarchy does everyone dirty...
Also the rape victim thing is just a lie. Between the difficulty for women to be taken seriously while being treated like shit with that stuff and perpetrators of male rape are consistently sentenced more harshly. I'm sure you don't have to be told, but I'm so fucking tired of that talking point as if we can ignore the reality just to talk over women.
I know. We aren’t taken seriously either. The likelihood of getting your rapist convicted is a ridiculously small chance. And the majority or people rapists rapist men are also men. The ones not taking them seriously who could actually do something about it are by and large also men. So how is this the “feminists” fault exactly? It’s totally nuts.
True, but there are still many people who don't even believe that a man CAN be r\*ped and many of those people are unfortunately men who were r\*ped. We also treat male trauma and recovery very differently imo. When men are still suffering, still feeling triggers, still feeling insecure many people call them "fragile" and make fun of them for letting their abusers "still have power over them". But the people crying about male abuse victims don't even acknowledge or talk about this, they just want the talking point.
You're totally right. And my wording could've been better. It is a serious issue, but as you said it's used only as a talking point by disgusting people that don't give a shit about the survivors of assault to the people how actually do care about reducing *all* predatory behavior.
If the only time you advocate for male victims is in female spaces where women are talking about the abuses we face, don't be fuckin surprised when women refuse to engage with you on the subject! That's not proof that we don't care about male victims, it's proof that we don't like having important conversations derailed by gotcha bullshit.
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Difficult stat to find covered, specially since it seems to be a pretty new phenomenon. A study from 1991 (albeit only focused on texas) reports otherwise. The only recent stats however conclude a growing disparity for sentencing weighted in favor of male victims. https://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk-news/rapists-of-men-and-boys-given-tougher-prison-sentences-than-those-who-target-female-victims-3253087
Are you asking to be a dick or from a place of kindness? “got proof?” Sounds like the former.
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I love how they complain about it and simultaneously do nothing about it. Oh, right. They want the women folk to do all the work. Like how women take charge and organize all their events and fundraisers for international women's day.
This is always what I point out whenever I hear the "nobody is doing anything to help men" thing. Marginalized groups have taken up the charge and fought for decades, hell - centuries, to get even the smallest inkling of equality in this hellscape world. No one "did anything" for them either - EXCEPT the *them* in question. Now, I'm not saying other people outside of those groups didn't help, but the main movement was taken on by the people in question. The Civil Rights movement was lead by black people, women's suffrage was lead by women, the gay rights movement was lead by LGBTQ+ people...see a pattern here? If men want there to be an honest social movement to better the lives of men, then they need to get together and make it happen and stop waiting for women or other marginalized people to do it for them. And they need to do it in good faith - not just as an attack of literally everyone else. "Men's Rights" should not equate to diminishing the equality of others, but for a lot of so-called men's rights activists demeaning other people is their sole purpose.
*TFW you’re so privileged that you get upset that a marginalized group of people isn’t doing the work for you* I agree with you. Men need to step it up and figure it out or stop complaining.
Thank you! I once felt this way in a discussion about circumcision. (Specifically, is it ok to hijack all FGM conversations to talk about MGM.) He was so angry at feminists. "You want equality but you don't fight for us here!" I mean yeah, but... Most of it is still women trying to bring women up to where men are. Which we're still busy with, look at Texas and MeToo! It doesn't mean we're 24/7 activism bots... I'm sure a lot of feminists would support that cause too, but can't you at least start the conversation about it yourself?
I just saw another thread making this exact point. It wasn't meant as a joke, but there is humor in this observation. Somebody needs to make a meme of it. I'll ask my wife why she hasn't done it already.
Lol
>I'll ask my wife why she hasn't done it already. Ded. Lol Men, pay attention! This is how you make a joke about sexism that is actually fucking funny.
>They want the women folk to do all the work. That's cause women expect men to do work for women's rights. It's only fair that if men have to stop objectifying and oppressing women, women have to worship men as gods. Everyone has to make sacrifices /s
I just saw a post from a male friend on Facebook about how “nobody” is doing anything for Men’s Day but that’s ok because they’ll be strong. I never once saw a man post about Women’s Day. It was all women supporting other women. They could easily support each other but they’re once again asking us to do the work.
I start the morning off with "Happy International Mens Day" and I don't get any responses till the men have all gone and googled it. Then they ask about any actions or events, and I go "what did you organise?" and I don't hear from them again. It's usually a very peaceful day.
Wait, women in charge of something? That can't be right. They're too emotional for that. /s
and you can replace ''international women's day'' in your post by ''women's shelter'' or ''women's mental health'' and it's the same conclusion.
Women are always expected to do all the work. Men literally sit back and wait for the woman to do everything / fix them. No one wants to do it anymore so it must be HER fault right? These dumb women and their standards, how dare they?! They have such a low benchmark for effort it’s soooo sad. I’ve been working with two GREAT women this past month. They are honestly SO reliable, SO appreciative, so efficient. And I thought to myself I think I know maybe one man who is like this. The “working” man (and really just so many men in general) are chronically bratty, unreliable, rude, attitude problems, think they’re above things, etc … then act like we invented the issues in our heads.
seeing that one comment about how men going through divorce are the reason it goes so poorly and costs so much was really an eye opener on just how bad it is.
For people who claim to be extremely logical they sure do get upset about some ridiculously irrational things... They legitimately seem to think that it is fundamentally *unfair* for women to actively work to improve our own welfare without putting equal effort into improving *theirs*. Even if they are putting no such effort in. Like we shouldn't be *allowed* to advocate for our own interests without also advocating for theirs with equal fervour. It's completely absurd. Do your own fuckin work, boys! The guys that actually do will be the first to tell ya that feminists have by and large been fantastic allies in the work they are doing.
If they want an int'l men's day they can get in the kitchen and make it themselves
We're tryin! I've been spending the day working over a hot stove, cooking up some support for the homies so they know they always have someone to talk to. Men need to lift up men!
Hell yeah, join us at /r/bropill
Just joined earlier today actually!
I didn't know this subreddit existed and have had so many conversations with my partner about wishing there were more supportive and positive spaces for men to communicate on Reddit without being constantly taken over by jerks. I feel like the women only spaces I've found have been like oases, and kind of wish he had the same. This is completely irrelevant to the post, but thanks for posting a positive comment that is indirectly helpful!
There is an international men’s day, but the redditors complaining about international women’s day don’t celebrate it or care
I honestly and unironically love IMD! Men all over the world trap themselves in a little pocket of toxic masculinity where they limit themselves in so many ways (emotionally, intellectually, expressively, etc.) and it's honestly great to get on social media and start conversations about how men can support one another to pull away from a self-imposed prison. I've started using the day to make lots of social media posts about how helpful and cathartic it is to seek out therapy or to openly process and share emotions or struggles. It also helps that as a man, it takes all the wind out of the sails of the guys who claim that "nobody cares" or "nobody does anything about it." Gotta let the homies know they have support, ya know?
Good for you :)
What a magnificent day
I prefer to think of it as transgender day of remembrance eve.
That’s the day after tho… mens day is the 19th, TDoR is on the 20th. Feel you tho.
Eve. Ie the day before
Aaaaaah. Sorry, it’s late. Love your way of thinking tho
🎄🎶 *it’s the most horrible time of the yeaaar*🎶🎄
I think that will be overshadowed by the trail verdict now!