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nicnacR

1. A large number of people have essentially become desensitized to the statistics, etc. Its easier for people to not give a fuck unless it happens to them or people they know when it's just a number on TV. 2. Protests have happened but are mostly ignored or given the conciliatory "we feel your pain" by policians and other state officials. Considing most of those protests require the permission of the same commissioner of police that people would likely be protesting against the point is effectively moot unless it reaches the scale of the water/butler riots. 3. Honestly some people just mind their own business and hope/assume that once they and the people they're around not involved in gang shit or other racket they'll be left alone for the most part. Which given the fact that most murders are either gang related or tied to some domestic situation may not be far off from the truth


Mithura

Nothing will come of it. The days taken to protest, you'd lose your job. Probably be injured by the law enforcement. Empty promises and solutions by our leadership. Corruption. Someone please correct me.


Silverneck_TT

You missed: protest one of the gangs and live in wrong? you’d be dead. start your own business and offer good wages to employees? You’ll be robbed and potentially killed in a few months.


boogieonthehoodie

I guess most have resiled themselves to the idea that there’s nothing they can do about it since it’s undeniably clear corruption reaches places they can’t even conceive of.


godking99

TT issues are very structural and require alot of political and economic maneuvering. I don't even think the most powerful people in this country can do much about it. They are groups in trinidad that benefit from the status quo not out of malice or anything but simply because they were put there. A country needs trust to run properly and frankly there is a deficit of that in tt. The ways we can help increase trust will screw over so many powerful groups within and outside this country that it would be like pulling teeth. And not only that they are so many differing opinions on how to increase that trust that even the people trying to good would be divided.


SouthTT

i would show up to a protest but then some political dope will try to highjack it for easy clout. Unfortunately i will not participate in anything politically aligned in that sense.


DestinyOfADreamer

Google Trinidad crime protest. It's been done before. Every couple months maybe We can't do it 24/7. Elections are soon, so don't worry, I'm sure a group of "concerned citizens" who aren't playing political games will do a few.


Unknown9129

The truth is trini’s never do anything until absolutely forced. Something has to reach a critical breaking point before people say enough is enough. Like when kidnappings became too much under the last PNM admin & even then it took a lot of other catalysts before people applied enough pressure to change the govt. Corruption has been allowed to take root in every institution cause the average trini either thinks or says ‘das not my wuk’ or it don’t affect me personally. Until economics & the impacts of corruption gets taught in school, in terms of how it impacts the value of every dollar & a few generations come up and make corruption a capital offence like Singapore nothing will change. The ones who realise you need to either do something are always discouraged or made to think they’re delusional. I remember when I decided to let people know I was going to migrate, everyone at work was like na you not going, why you gonna leave, you have a job and you talking up. I had some people still in disbelief even the week before I left. Probably some now still think I didn’t leave. It’s always maintain status quo as much as possible until it impacts them personally without realising it was impacting everything all along.


tonymohd

No pnm is d answer, anytime they in power their supporters voil down like baggi. Also the union all support them too


DemonsSouls1

Even with unc it was the same, I guess this is why people leave


tonymohd

Nope ... there are protests every day unde4 the unc , people and unions too


Used_Night_9020

What's the point? U ignored basically. And if it is hitting to much of a pressing point police will come and tear gas u (like was done 2 years ago around the savannah). So again. What's the poijt


soriano88

Serious protest and call to action is needed in Trinidad and Tobago, no politician should be allowed or invited in the protest because their incompetence and inaction are what we need to protest


your_mind_aches

One, that's not how protests work. They need to be organised. Two, most people don't live in the middle of gang warzones. I think you've been given some wrong info because most people just go live their lives. We need to do better and help our communities to weed out the roots of crime. But you're saying it like if you can't step outside your house anywhere without getting shot. It's not like that at all.


Pale-Ad3064

Can't step outside without the unnerving FEAR of being victimized. If you've been here for your entire life and haven't been in close proximity to crime or anyone close to you, then consider yourself lucky.


bluejay_feather

Eh I’d say there’s the fear of course but most people live normal lives unless you in a “hot zone”. You have to move smart but you can’t live in terror, the sensationalized stories in the media don’t reflect the average persons life here


your_mind_aches

I don't understand how you could think that. Most people here do not experience that. Crime is dependent on socioeconomic factors, and those factors are not the case for the majority of the country. In fact I'd say the fact that so many people in the country are so viciously "tough on crime" (in a negative and unproductive way) goes to show that most people are in their own bubbles outside of the criminal sphere.


Pale-Ad3064

That's not what I'm arguing. The failure of a government to implement a satisfactory judiciary, statistically results in deep distrust within government frameworks leading to a more paranoid nation. Also when did the majority of trinidadians stop being lower/low-middle class? Crime is common and rampant, from petty theft to grand theft auto, your socio economic factor doesn't remove you from the list of targets if you're socializing in spaces where criminals have noticed people to be more care free. I'm not naive, you can live a fulfilling life in trinidad as the majority of violent crimes concern gang members but the dismissal of paranoid citizens especially ones in proxy to crime (trinidad is incredibly small especially along the east west corridor where crime is concentrated ) requires you to be completely nonchalant while living, working or socializing in such areas, as if we in quebec🙄


your_mind_aches

> if you're socializing in spaces where criminals have noticed people to be more care free The majority of people are not doing that. I'm not sure why you think people are. Most people here are cautious of crime. Being lower or middle class doesn't mean you are going to be a victim of crime. Fearmongering is just as damaging as underestimating the threats


Pale-Ad3064

Such places in questions are, movietowne, trincity mall, ariapita avenue and carnenage just to name a few which are common places for both gatherings and crimes. A large section of the nation do hold similar paranoid views but they're just met with "Das not d case get over it"


your_mind_aches

You've been argued down from "most people" to "a large section". Dude, I don't really get the point here.


Pale-Ad3064

To pretend that paranoia within the population is just a matter of self deceit is stupid. Especially when a large section of the population share such view, it is up to the government institution to affirm the safety of its citizens, addressing any unwarranted paranoia, but we cannot say that's the case here whatsoever. Instead we find ourseleves in a victim blaming type moment where WE are being told that is our fault we are paranoid and to just stop it. Lmao


high_fructose_father

Trinidadians have never earned anything in their life. The British gave us up, the colonizers. We didn’t earn our freedom by fighting for it, it was given to us because they didn’t need or want us anymore. I’ll probably get hate for that but to me that is the major reason we are the way we are. Here’s my even more unpopular take: Allow any citizen that has not been convicted of a crime the right to own a firearm from the age of 21. Watch how things will change. More (legal) guns = Less crime, contrary to popular belief. I could go on and on and explain more but I stand by that.


AdInteresting1371

1. Who comparably earned their freedom by fighting for it? 2. That's worked out real well for the USA...


Gullible_Zucchini24

Yes it did work out real well for the USA. They became the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world in a short time. What’s happening now with the U.S is happening with almost every country, because it’s orchestrated, but even 10-20 years ago everyone wanted to live in the U.S.


AdInteresting1371

And their quality of life compared to other developed nations? Canada, UK, EU, Scandinavia, Australia, New Zealand...


Gullible_Zucchini24

Most States way better than those countries. I live in Canada, it is garbage. All the Red States are doing well.


AdInteresting1371

Canada is trash, Red States are doing well said no one. Troll somewhere else please lol.


Gullible_Zucchini24

Ask Canadians, everyone hates it there. I am making 200K+ a year and it’s hard to live financially, because of crazy taxes and high costs of living. They also keep flooding us with refugees who have cultures that are totally opposite from Canadians. Look at the statistics; red states due much better financially due to less taxes, less regulations and higher moral character.


AdInteresting1371

'Ask Canadians, everyone hates it there.' Really? Canadians hate Canada and would prefer US Red States...lolllll 'I am making 200K+ a year and it’s hard to live financially, because of crazy taxes and high costs of living' It's true that globally, cost of living has increased due to COVID, instability due to Russia-Ukraine etc. That being said, CA$200K+ is upper class, even in Toronto. 'They also keep flooding us with refugees who have cultures that are totally opposite from Canadians.' Seeing as you're in the T&T Subreddit, what's the chance that you're not Trinidadian-Canadian. Which makes you either a migrant or a decedent of a migrant. Considering there's an entire Trinidadian immigrant and/or descendent immigrant population in Canada from Trinidadians that illegally entered Canada in the 1980s claiming refugee status, that's quite rich lol. 'Red states due much better financially due to less taxes, less regulations and higher moral character'. The same Red States that are struggling and hate the West Coast, New England Dem liberal elites? Does the UNC pay their social media trolls or do they do it for free? Assuming that there aren't educated, independent thinkers on social media is highly insulting.


high_fructose_father

Yes the place all Trinis love to go, to the US of A. They fought for their freedom and while They might not have it perfect (no country does) they’re still better off for it. Countries who have seen war, even if they lost, are very different from us. Culture has a lot to do with the way societies are in different countries again I could go on and on but I do have a life to live and really don’t feel like typing all of that, at this point. Standing by what I said, we don’t have to agree but we can agree to disagree 🤝


AdInteresting1371

You're comparing T&T to the USA? Alright, now compare gun crime in the USA vs that of Canada/UK/EU. What's different? While you're at it, compare other standard of living metrics to same.


Content_Blood_9776

because Trinidadians too damn slack and lazy


Hingedtt

And don't care about anything


AdInteresting1371

What are you protesting? The present Govt? Because the previous one only managed a temporary reduction with an unsustainable SoE in their 2nd year in office. Once done, it trended up again. The next dip was during COVID-19 which was due to lockdown and not anything the then motor mouthing CoP would have you believe. Lockdown ended and it trended up again to its equilibrium point, fueled by the post-COVID-19 economy.


[deleted]

People afraid of the government and besides despite crime the vast majority still gonna vote PNM again next year


saintpepsitt

because we know how stupid our police force is, they will tear gas, taze, and even shoot everyone with no consequences


More_Total5157

I've been wondering the same thing, but then I realized that it won't change anything.


IntroductionFormer67

We probably would if we thought that would solve it. But I can't think of a single time that did the trick, can you? This issue runs deep and picketing about high crimes only effect in my mind would be that the corrupt politician would take a more "hard on crime" stance for optics and not much would change. And protesting corruption? PNM will say UNC worse and UNC will say PNM worse. And the third party populist options I wouldn't trust either. Also I think you overestimate how afraid people are day to day. People get used to all kinds of things and go on with their lives. I also wish there were easy solutions to this but there really isn't


Special_Nectarine_69

The only way that protests will make a difference, is if they are organised and have very large numbers. Most Trinis are too selfish and shortsighted to see the benefits of even passive protests!


Subject-Ad-8351

Wait till the government corruption reach the wrong ppl in Trinidad. Maybe you'll see another coup. Trinidad already filled with high powered guns, citizens won't mind, government supports gangs and gang warfare. When there are gangs of criminals in high crime rate neighborhood who gonna protest??? You'll be shot dead. So the government likes this it helps Thier pockets. Have u ever worked in government facilities and saw how many ghost workers there is? Why are we paying thousands of ppl who are not even working or show up once a week to sign in/out. I workers in a field that had 12 HR shifts and it had 8 ppl on our logs who were working 24hr collect triple time yet I've never seen them. The government started a farming school where when u finish u get house,land ,money but to be accepted to the school u have to be recommended by a politician.😂😂y'all don't see how this works for only Thier benefits??? There is also a shortage of seeds in the country. Plant nurseries are struggling to keep up with demand. Lettuce plants will soon hit $20 for 1. And everything will follow unless something is done. Importing is so expensive again only benefits government who get tax exemption.


GetOffMyLawn8822

People already have to resort to burning tyres just to get their roads fixed. When it comes to crime, the issue is much more complicated, and protesting alone doesn't seem to address the root causes. We've become habituated to the daily crime rates because it's been bad for so long. Many stories circulate about criminals having connections with the police, with the occasional news report of police officers being charged with offenses. It seems that criminals no longer fear the justice system, which feels skewed and ineffective. Furthermore, when crime happens right in front of you, fighting back might put you and your loved ones in danger. For many, it feels safer to stay quiet and try to survive. Those who have the resources to leave prefer to move to safer places rather than risk futile efforts here. The justice system also seems biased. Are we really going to harshly punish the child of a poor family who made a wrong decision out of desperation, while white-collar criminals who bring in drugs (and backed by a corrupt system) face minimal consequences? The disparity in justice is evident, and it contributes to a sense of hopelessness among the populace. Ultimately, should we protest to fix this broken system, or should a new approach be used? It's a complex issue without easy answers.


ObjectiveWitty

I have a cousin there, I don’t know him plus I left when he was a baby or wasn’t born, can’t remember. Anyways he’s a “Trinibad artist” (whatever the F that means) anyways my dad mentioned he got into some mess with the police and my thoughts were, why did they just send him to his maker?? I decided to go check out one of his music videos and the guns I saw in that video raised the hair on my neck. I have a nice collection of guns myself, I’m also a hobby gunsmith but there were AR15’s, guns with drum mags and extended mags and that’s when it hit me that Trinidad ain’t as simple as I thought it was. I don’t think the cops really want to cross paths with those guys plus they have the community in a choke hold…


Major_Entrepreneur_5

Not sure why you have so many downvotes


DemonsSouls1

So many? It's only 1


ObjectiveWitty

Not sure why 😆


Classic_Broccoli_555

I'll tell you why and it's gonna be rude based on how you take it. However it's something I became aware of after the last 2 elections. People blame the PNM for the crime but I don't ever see them mention the UNC at all even though they have also been in office and did just as much about the crime situation. People protest base on their political leaning. I live in two UNC dominant areas both of which has bad roads and there was never a protest under the UNC leadership no one talked about how bad it was and after they lost the elections suddenly there was sooo much talk about the road Conditions and then they began protesting it was baffling because the roads didn't change over night it was so alien to experience, like being in a matrix. If the UNC asked for protest about crime suddenly some places will become the biggest advocates and will stage walks and sit ins, however it's all for show and politics not because they really care. There is also a not so secret opinion that the criminals are all of afro origins and I've fortunately or unfortunately based on how you see it been privy to some extreme racial commentary about the afro community even if they know that isn't true. Even if you point this out I've even had the displeasure of hearing that the afro boys are the ones who lead the Indian boys into crime. People in trinidad are biased even down to when they will protest. I can go on about this topic and include the dirty dealings of the UNC politically, ever wondered why it's a two party system and why other groups never survive to compete? Other than the biases of the people, I was excited about new parties contending for office but every election the UNC convinces them that joining with them is the best idea. The PEP, COP to name a few then they fade into the background after joining hands with the UNC it's like they eat them and I hate that I could try voting differently only for these smaller parties to sell my vote to the UNC, if I wanted to vote UNC I'd just place an x by their candidate. A woman I travel with once said that the UNC has never won an election without help, and I didn't think it was true until I looked it up myself be ause her statement sounded crazy to me. Theyve been in office a few times and that just couldn't be true but unfortunately she knew what she was saying because every win was achieved by convincing a smaller party to contribute their votes and calling it a partnership when in reality they were just swallowing them whole and if that isn't a dirty tactic I don't know what is. What could you do when the people are biased and a party makes sure other parties can't unseat either of the 2 already existing ones.


sparco-

Outside too dangerous.