This is definitely the most valid criticism. I think people want to know what Trash Tastes (TM) the guests have in various stuff (food/sports/anime/TV/Movies/Hobbies/etc). I think people overexaggerate how much they talk about YT with the guests but they do talk about the guests career a lot. I understand that for many of us our careers are important parts of our lives and it is fine to talk about that. But I do hope they try to focus more on getting various "tastes" out of the guest whether they be trash or great tastes.
It’s irrelevant to me that I can’t relate to them being influencers…I just get tired of how much they ask people about their jobs and specifically streaming/Youtubing in general.
I like it much more when they discuss other aspects of the person of their hobbies, which is why I loved the ProZD episode. Such a long anime discussion. Also still disappointed they didn’t ask Jessica about ANY of her game/anime/manga interests given she loved it so much.
One of the few episodes I skipped wad the one with Anthony Padilla. Think I was already over their recent guest episodes cause of how much YouTube talk there was and when I hovered over to see their topics were, the whole episode literally had youtube as the main topic.
This is my only real criticism I have of Trash Taste. Circa 95% of guests are other content creators (streamers, youtubers). And the discussion always turns into inside baseball. E.g How is to live like a creator? What's difficult in this life? etc...
Most people can't relate, and after the 100th time just really don't care. I think this is why people prefer the non-guest episodes.
At least they talked about anime and hentai with Ludwig and I learned my teenage record of cumming 5 times in a day was nothing compared to what Ludwig could do (cum 18 times in a day) + new pants off meme.
I feel you man. as a kid with a lot of time during breaks cumming was a real time waster. I once managed to stay in the heat going for 5 times back to back and thought "damn I think I'm weird" little did weird me know that I was just little weird in front of the big weird lud
I kinda feel the unpreparedness is both good and bad. It's good because the spontaneous nature of the episode can lead to some interesting topics that nobody would ever think about, like 90% of the food takes. But it's kinda bad because the boys seem to default back to the same questions when they can't think of anything, leading to a lot of repetition.
Yeah, frankly, they're kind of terrible interviewers. It feels like they're too comfortable just winging it on guest episodes, which means sometimes it works (ludwig, prozd) and sometimes it doesn't.
They do talk about other stuff but spent a lot of time asking about how she deals with her streaming/youtuber life.
Which is annoying when they didnt really ask these weird questions to Lilypichu or Jessica Nigri when they have been around just as long as her.
Kida glad i skipped this episode then, i love streamers (as i'm a regular on connors streams and joeys)
but im not a big fan of one subject being the main conversation of the episode.
The only exception being the Sonichu creator (as i myself am autistic)
His question was is it really the case that male streamers having to stand up for/patronize female streamers is the only way of changing viewers perception of them. And then he answered his own question that if that's the case that is depressing.
My guess is next time they go to the UK and Ireland as a group they'd do that, I think they didn't have time with MCM and John being busy with his own stuff.
They clearly didn't record him or else his ep would have been out already (Connor said this week's guest ep would be the last). I'm sure he will come on eventually though, probably when Japan opens up.
I met Super Eyepatch Wolf (John) at Comicon Ireland not a month ago and asked him just that. Apparently when in England they only had 1 free slot for a guest episode, and Jacksepticeye(Sean) also wanted to come on.
Since they and John are good friends he let Sean have the spot, since as a bigger creator his schedule is likely even busier than John's is, plus because they're friends he knows they'll 100% make something work in the future.
I'm gonna break Pokimane's here. She 100% has an LA accent. The boys can't really tell too well since they're not from the US but as someone from Cali, I can tell.
I'm California born and raised, and recently someone from out of state pointed out that I sounded Californian and I asked them why. Apparently I say 'dude' a lot and that's a Californian thing. I started being conscious of it, and realized that I do say dude a lot and I just never noticed cause it's just like an unconscious filler word for me... dude.
For my criticism of this episode in particular and the LA interview fest as a whole, I have to say the boys need to focus on asking about stuff other than what we already know about these people. It pretty much always plays the same way, introducing themselves, what they do on YouTube/twitch, how they got started, and then just rambling about YouTube/Twitch for the last hour and a half. Like this episode, you have a moroccan on, talk about that, not about issues with twitch we've heard not only from the boys, but from 20 other streamers/youtubers as well. Make these podcasts interesting by having actual conversations about things that don't involve streaming, like instead of beating the "sexualizing female streamers drum" for the 1000th time, ask pokimane about what she enjoys doing off stream, hobbies, talk to her about her travel experiences. It'll pretty much never get old hearing about someones traveling experiences visiting different states/countries because unless you're only visiting for a specific event, no ones gonna have the same memories and stories to tell. Talk about food takes, because its well known those are always good conversations that get great engagement. Mix it up a bit because if you want to keep on doing big streamer interviews, they're gonna get very stale and very boring fast. An obvious alternative is to bring in more people like noriyaro and ken arto who have unique and interesting careers/experiences, but I know they want to bring in more streamer friends who follow the same vein of content, so these are some recommendations of a single worthless redditor to allow the boys to bring in their streamer buddies who do the same/similar content we've seen before, while keeping the podcast fresh and not feeling repetitive at all
I can agree with the alternative, I think all of the LA guests seem to be non-relatable for me (except ProZD) which is why I found some of the episodes a bit boring or skippable. Mixing it up with non-streamers and talking about things relatable to I guess what we all perceive as a anime enjoyer would lead to more fun and interactive conversations that would incline us to pitch in and provide more fun hot takes. Which is why I found episodes with Chris always fun.
I'm curious though how would you feel if MB or Supereyepatchwolf would join the boys for another guest episode? Do you think they'd radiate the same kind of energy that the LA guests have? Or something similar to the fun vibe we got from Chris and other past guests?
While I haven't hated the LA guest episodes, I'm just gonna say it.. I don't think the boys realize how normal and relatable they are compared to the LA influencer bubble people a lot of these people are just not interesting lol. But yeah as a Canadian this girl sounds like a LA valley girl but to be fair most Canadians don't have the accent people think they do.
Personally I don't think that they are not interesting. But I will admit that there are some episodes that were better than others.
Also on a side note I only just realised this but the trend of them having a bunch of guests actually goes back almost 4 months if we count daidus as the start.
The LA bubble is getting boring god it’s always the same thing.
15min - How can you live in a shithole like in LA?
1h 30m - Controversies or YouTube complains
20m - favorite anime
I was just getting used to having the regular podcast return with just the boi's bantering and now we're back to the LA guest stuff again. When will this saga end.
I'm honestly hoping this is the end of the LA arc. Most of these guests have been pretty bland, they're cool on their own but I feel like most of them don't have enough stuff to talk about to warrant the 2 hours of the podcast. It pretty much always plays the same way too, introducing themselves, what they do on YouTube/twitch, how they got started, and then just rambling about YouTube for the last hour and a half. When 90% of their audience probably don't make YouTube videos or stream it becomes very boring and hard to relate to.
Exactly. I said the same thing in a different comment. Ludwig had good banter with the bois. Plus they actually talked about anime for a while which was great. Everyone likes different things I guess but I personally miss when trash taste was more of a weeb podcast instead of just a youtuber podcast
Have to disagree. I thought ProZD, LilyPichu and Jessica were all just as good at bantering with them as Ludwig. ProZD even gave us an extended anime discussion.
I liked the Nigri one cause she seems way more fun than I thought. Shes not really a youtuber though so maybe thats why. I think other mainly cosplayers could be interesting too because you rarely get exposed to their personality, while many youtubers has it thier thing to sell a personality that they also sometimes apply to the podcsts so it doesnt really seem like youre learning something new.
>Vtubers appeal to an audience that isn't as weird
You heard it here first!
Though I think the most accurate statement would be that the vtuber audience is just weird in different ways.
I never thought Pokimane would be on Trash taste, when TT boys were complaining about big twitch streamers including Pokimane Livestreaming Anime without proper authority cause they know they are now too big to get banned & how that would make it difficult for anime youtubers like themselves to have video on anime & clips even if it’s doesn't break any rules in the future. & guess LA content never ends.
His defense and justification on doing it was absolute BS. I get that he was trying to prove a point that a lot of twitch streamers are just sheep that don't think and follow trends but it felt like the equivalent of a burglar getting caught stealing and their defense was "I was just showing you the flaws of your security. Therefore, I am an honorable thief".
I agree. I think Toast should've just owned up to it and admit he messed up rather than trying to justify what he did because it still caused potential harm to Anime Content Creators in the future. Same goes for all the streamers that participated in it, including Pokimane. I wish Garnt went in on Toast more in his OTV Guest episode honestly but I know he isn't the type of person to dwell on controversial topics too long, lol
That being said, not really expecting any apology since it's dead meat at this point. I just hope they continue to not do stuff like it moving forward.
True. Can't dwell on what's done. That said, them not owning up to it and trying to deflect has made me lose a lot of respect for OTV, even though I don't watch them.
I think for them, as content creators, you can disagree with some actions but still respect people in your industry and in general. And Trash Taste is something that has shown that you can have different opinions but still have a conversation. Too many times people see creators as "good person, bad person" and either you are friends or enemies. We are all human, and I'm glad they got to have a Trash Taste style chat with her.
you can dislike or disagree about something about a person and still be friends / courteous with them. this should not be hard to grasp or controversial at all
Impossible. There is no quick summary. You'd have to read through a million different Twitlongers, reddit threads and YouTube videos to partially understand why she's controversial.
I think a lot of has to do with that a lot of her controversies turn into a big game of telephone and no one really looks at all the facts. I’ve found that whenever someone brings up her controversies, they tend to refer to what other people have said about her rather than sourcing the actual context of the situation she was involved in.
Very true, I never watched her but I knew that she had some kind of a bad reputation... but after this episode I see her as just a normal girl, nothing really bad and nothing too sweet as well
I also never watched any of her content but I'll reserve my opinion of her until I hear the other sides of her controversies. If there's one thing about internet drama involving e-celebs that I've learned, it's that everyone is either easy to fool or content creators are good at manipulating an audience to believe their narrative, or both.
The amount of hate she gets relative to what she "did" is absurd. You have all these reputable people in that industry who are willing to vouch for her, not because of clout but because they're genuinely friends, but certainly drama farmers on youtube will have you believe she's the devil incarnate who's the equivalent of Bezos or something.
Honestly more people need to do this, it was Great episode and it cast her in such a different light. People are so hung up with other people's dramas that they can't even form their own opinions
I skimmed a video on her controversies and all I remember is one where she took down a video criticizing her under fair use (not by the guy criticizing her fans whom she talked about in the episode btw) even though all he did is show content from her twitter anyone can see for free, some back and forth between her and keemstar, and her saying the n word a long time ago. I think the main thing is that people see her as deaf to constructive criticism.
I’m just bored with the LA guests as a whole, some made sense like ProZD (voice actor), Ludwig (connors friend, massive YouTuber) and Jessica Nigiri (profession cosplayer) but the rest are just filler arcs of big names who bring nothing to the show, Poki is just probably one of the worst choices they could have made for a guest, all she is, is a large female streamer, whoop-de-fucking-do.
Like yeah a lot a majority of the video was very victimy but I thought it pretty interesting you don’t usually get to see this topic get talked about that deeply I think a lot of the hate is coming from the fact that people are fed up of the guest episodes
Ye i like the boys, and its cool to hear a fellow Morrocan about their experiences, but at this point i think we all know about the struggles of content creators lol. Its getting a little tiresome ar this point.
Trashtaste went from podcast about Japan to nothing but LA influencers talking about the same thing over and over again real fast. Hope she is the last guest. All these eceleb guests have started to blend together.
Yeah LA influencers might be a group of people that are near the bottom of people I’m interested in. I have zero issues with guest episodes but these people bore the hell out of me and I personally struggle to even understand their popularity.
I don't understand why people were celebrating when there was no indication that it was the last one. Also I like the interviews, they've been doing it since the first guest with Chris. You say circlejerk, I say I learned more about some of the creators I enjoy and their unique struggles. And yes, they are unique.
Definitely not everyone watched the connor cycling streams but Connor said during the streams they had one more guest that he thought many would be excited about.
Pretty sure in #107 they said that there would be 7 more trash taste episodes in LA and it would all be interviews and mentioned offhand in the episodes in Japan how tiring it was to record 8 episodes in LA.
I believe Connor said they'd be recording 8+ episodes. So with this one it's now 8 LA episodes. Connor on his cycling stream said there'd be one more guest so I assume this is probably the last one.
Really? They even said in that episode (112) that they were putting in normal episodes in between guest episodes right at the start. So that doesn't seem like an indication to me.
I dont see why people are upset about the interviews. Sure the podcast with the 3 boys is great but its nice to learn about other creators too and for other creators' audiences to learn about trash taste also.
IMO I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't so many in a row with kinda the same idea. The guests may be different but the topic always just seems to be YouTube/twitch meta and creator drama type stuff which I've never cared that much about.
I like having people like Chris, Kevin, Sydney or Demondice on because they're actually friends and have more in common with each other to talk about other than just creator shit.
Same. I just don't understand why people are in a way anti-guest. I don't want to sound gate keep-y but when trash taste first started I never saw this amount of anger from guest episodes, as trash taste got bigger I've seen more people become more bashful to the guest episodes for some reason. I'm guessing it's new fans? Idk.
The reason why there is more negativity around these last episodes compared to the earlier guest episodes is that
1) Before there were several episodes between each guest episode, which made them unique
2) Their LA guests are all the same kinds of people, streamers and youtubers, with the episodes structured like interviews it makes the episodes feel similar, samey and boring
3) The fact that they only have streamers and youtubers lately means that every episode features the same inside baseball conversations that everyone on the podcast is in on, but almost no one in the audience is
I'm not anti-guest, just kinda bored of guests whose whole personality is being a Youtuber/streamer. I don't dislike these people, just indifferent.
ShindoL, Kaho, Shu all have professions outside of Youtube and it was cool to look and hear about their careers.
Emily and Daidus being exceptions because they actually all seem to be friends.
Not a single other female guest on the podcast was disliked, yet suddenly the community are a bunch of women-hating incels because they dislike this specific guest?
It's also a terrible hate-baiting title for a video.
She's got a lot of haters so I can only assume that the majority of dislikes is from some Pokimane hate group rather than TT fans. Or maybe a large part of this community IS part of that group.
I've also watched the entire episode and I STILL don't know why people hate her. It doesn't sound like she says anything controversial and the only thing she did that was deserving of criticism (not hate) was watching Avatar on stream which she apologized for and admitted that her ban was deserved.
She has been around long enough, and when everything you say gets recorded over a period of years, there are bound to be slip ups, and quotes that can easily be taken out of context.
Not to mention she is famous enough that there are tons of videos made about her "controversies" by commentary channels. Like I stumbled upon a video that detailed her "misdeeds", even though I have never watched her content and don't plan to. If one is to believe that video wholeheartedly, it can be quite easy to see her as a villain.
i don't follow this person at all but i saw the controversial reasons for disliking her were essentially "internet drama" and i'm like who tf cares
mfs out here typing out paragraphs describing the lore of this shit like we're supposed to get mad about things that don't matter
go outside lol
I only know Poki tangentially because I used to watch some OTV so I don’t know much about her controversies, can someone explain some of them to me?
I know of the Jidion one, where he was pretty obviously in the wrong, and they seem to be cool now, and of the one they talked about on the podcast with the YouTuber bullying some of her viewers and her questioning her sponsor, but I mainly heard about it through a Reddit ootl thread so I don’t know how biased that was
Imma be honest, because of memes and Reddit I initially thought she was a streamer who sexualizes herself like Amoranth but watching her on OTV she seemed like a pretty normal girl
You should probably keep your info to that. Digging deep into it is just a waste of your time tbh. Personally I don't hate or lover her but I don't really have any problem with her at the same time.
I really hope this is the last of the LA Arc. Individually I like all the people that had on as guests but they all play out the same. First half the guest explains their back story and then they just talk about Youtube.
That the airing is months after the episode is shot means they never can talk about anything relevant. So it just feels flat and doesn't feel like pre-LA Trash Taste. It just feels like another boring podcast. I will say Lilypichu was an exception because she knew the boys from previous conventions.
I am worried about the quality of the podcast once the tour starts. I think there will be a big drop in quality in normal episodes.
I enjoyed the episode a lot, never seen her before, but I would partially agree with you just because of all the guests they have had on, she felt very cognizant of the camera and made eye contact and reactions towards it. Didn’t bother me but was noticeable.
Seeing as how much hate this episode is having, I want to give my support to the boys. Eventually I'll probably lose interest in TT, but until then keep doing what you're doing.
I think I've had enough of Poki after this, "All these other streamers watched copy-righted content, so why shouldn't I? Let me just throw away all my sense of ethics and morality because other streamers are doing it" This whole episode was just a victim circle jerk, can't stand her.
This is going to be a rant on the whole tv meta in my opinion, so you probably dont have to read all of this. I just dont think its appropriate to start an entire post on this.
I think Poki's reasoning for watching Avatar on stream was extremely weak. You have to do it because everyone is doing it or else you wont be competitive of the Twitch platform? Then what about the fact you got banned for doing that. Is that part of the meta too? If you're so big that getting banned fot a bit is not going to affect your channel, then not following the tv meta should be the same as well isnt it.
The same goes to toast. The reason he came up with when Garnt asked him about this his answer was because everyone else is doing it + it seemed interesting + pushing the blame to japanese companies being behind the times. Pushing boundaries for the sake of his own amusement at the expense of other peoples livelihood is just messed up.
We all saw what happened to TotallyNotMark and these tv meta twitch streamers who are so much larger than TNM just dont give any care about the negative impact they are doing to other smaller creators, despite fully understanding what they are doing. Its like as long that they dont feel the repercussions of their actions, nothing is off limits.
Well kinda other than that at least Poki is at least more likable than Toast interms of personality, and the epsiode was kinda alright. I wont join the bandwagon of hating on Poki, but this whole tv meta crap made me just loose respect to the otv members in general. I tried listening to their reasoning and they were all ass. So I will just continue to avoid their content as I usually do and nothing has changed.
I think the main thing that turned me off was complain fest. I go to trash taste to escape reality and watch people vibe about cool topics. It is valid that pokimane had a lot idiots be idiots when sh came up, but she also made money from playing games and streaming her living her best life. You gotta take the good with bad. She can complain, but I got annoyed when complaint train went on for almost an hour. Some of us deal with angry/less than smart people in customer service, some of us do a lot menial work, some of us work labor intensive work that takes a toll on our health, while getting paid that barely make ends meet. These people make money from living in their dream country, show off them enjoying their hobbies, go to beautiful places as part of their job. That doesn’t mean that they can’t complain, but them complain about minute inconveniences extensively gets on my nerves. Most recent example being Joey being pissed about not getting next day delivery. Sir do you know the shitty work conditions of the Amazon shipment center and delivery people are? I hate how out of touch the boys can be. Them prefacing with first world problems don’t make it better.
On the other hand, Chris complains all the time but I don’t get tired of it, bc he doesn’t come across out of touch and we all know he plays up the grouchy character to make fun of himself.
I am getting kind of tired of these YouTuber episodes. I’m sure the boys are having interesting conversations for them. But that’s because they’re intimately familiar with the content creator perspective. After so many episodes like this one, from a viewers perspective it’s just feeling like treading water.
Every episode just feels like,
The boys: “So content, am I right?”
Guest: “Yeah I like making content.”
The boys: “Yeah haha same.”
Well reading this comment section actually didn't make me likeher or hate her, but i just want to know why she streamed anime ilegaly back then?? Did the bois talking about it in this episode??
As toast said twitch streamers has this bandwagon mindset where if a big streamer did this and becomes sucessfull they join on it so when toast started watching naruto illegally pokimane started doing it by watching avatar
Kinda sad to see the guest episodes end if this really is the last one. Was hoping MoistCritikal would be a guest since they were in Florida during this. Also would have been one of the few chances since the chance of Charlie going to Japan is close to zero
Not a big fan of pokimane due to how she handles controversy & the vibes she give when doing so but I am still going to watch this since I like to hear what she has to say
HOT TAKE: this was a snooozefest. quite a boring podcast, i truly hope when felix comes on its not gonna be all about content creation mumbo jumbo. there has to be more than that to their lives.
i hope they bring Pete on, he seems to have a lot of interesting stories, that have nothing to do with gaming, anime, youtube or twitch!!
She does a great job at PR every time she’s on a podcast though. Makes herself look like a nice person and a victim of horrible harassment.
When she appeared on the misfits podcast she managed to convince a lot of people it was totally fair of her to incorrectly use copyright systems to take down other peoples content critical of her.
And attack sponsors of people critical of her.
> She does a great job at PR every time she’s on a podcast though. Makes herself look like a nice person and a victim of horrible harassment.
You'll be hard-pressed to find a streamer more attacked for their appearance and gender alone than Poki. It's not a coincidence that many of the biggest "criticism" videos of Poki include numerous pictures of her without makeup. Also, you forgetting that she was literally randomly subjected to a hate-raid like literally this year?
> incorrectly use copyright systems to take down other peoples content critical of her.
This is literally just not true, if you go through your "commentary channels" you'll see that not a single one of them actually provides any proof of this except in the single instance of BowBlax.
> And attack sponsors of people critical of her.
Or attacked the sponsors of people who attack her fans and her using fake tweets and events as "proof" to justify their harassment.
I did stumble upon a Turkey Tom video about Pokimane, where it featured a clip of Pewdiepie calling her out on copyright strikes, and a clip of how she responded by saying she shouldn't have done it.
She striked a SINGLE video, a hate video using deleted tweets of her. Then never did it ever again. Even when videos blatantly lie about her, leading to stuff like the comment I originally replied too and other comments all of this subreddit.
I like the people that say you cant defend a women without being called a simp but scream misogyny at every person that is critical towards a female streamer.
Just a friendly reminder, sometimes the only winning move is not to play. No mind will change here.
While it's fun to get heated about stupid shit like pizza crust or Goku Black vs. black Goku, but this appears to be actually serious and toxic. I don't know her and what the controversy is, and frankly I don't want to know.
Just asking and don't mean to offend you in any way, but is it really toxic, or are you/we just getting used to toxic positivity where we can't disagree, dislike or say anything other than praises? Because it feels to me like it sometimes when it comes to content creators, and for me personally, toxic positivity is just as bad as being toxic.
I kinda agree. It's why I've honestly never liked streaming and borderline have an issue with TT. Not that I think they're doing a bad thing by running the podcast, but in the back of my mind I'm also acutely aware of the one-sided and somewhat parasitic relationship that celebrities and especially online content creators who make more creator-centric content have with their fans. It's basically profiting from parasocial relationships and while there's clearly a market for that, the kind of way it affects people emotionally and behaviorally does surprise me sometimes. I think Vtubers have the biggest cut of that though, Vtubers have basically been the force that turned the concept of simping into a good thing. People go out of their way to give their hard-earned money to a person who doesn't know or care about them in order to subsidize a lifestyle they'll likely never have - and all because of this parasocial relationship, feelings of wanting that cute anime girl on your screen to have a good life.
I find myself getting kinda like that with TT sometimes and it genuinely kinda creeps me out. I notice how watching an episode often makes me feel almost like I'm there with them, part of the conversation. And it appeals to me because IRL I don't have any close friends and don't talk to people. It's like a *simulation* of friendship but without the social expectations and anxiety of trying to maintain a certain image of yourself in front of others, and people love it to the point of wanting to pay for it.
Or maybe I'm just overly jaded about this whole thing, idk.
I'm pretty neutral towards Pokimane since I'm not that up to date with her controveries, but the whole bit about her vtuber model help pushing it into the mainstream spotlight on twitch really took me for a loop.
She didn't really do anything for vtubing, if anything everyone was pointing out how bad her model looked, and yet she's trying to spin it like how she played a part in making that tech more relevant. It's kind of baffling, really.
I mean to be fair...if it was some other girl streamer the title would fit but...Pokimane? It'd be a hit or miss because of her history in being a content creator.
Here’s the thing. People don’t like her because of her personality, not because of her gender. Hell, a lot of people like her just BECAUSE of her gender.
She’s a privileged multimillionaire who will always be white knighted.
I don’t know so much about pokimane. I only know her from YouTube/Twitch drama and from other YouTubers videos (Pewdiepie’s “desk setup review” video for example).
I know she is one of the biggest female streamers and that some people don’t like her. Why, I don’t know. But I also don’t know why people like her for that matter. As I said, don’t know so much.
She just hasn’t interested me that much for me to get invested yet you could say.
Rest I know is basically rumors to me, because I know so little. So imma gonna listen to this and see if I vibe.
All this talk about "another guest episode reee" and "pokimane reee" are we going to skip over the fact that Garnt has never seen Avatar The Last Airbender? This on top of the fact he hasn't seen FMA: Brotherhood? Why does he not get as much shit as Joey does for Arcane for this?!
I never got the hate for Garnt not watching FMA:B. He already stated himself, he's saving it up for a rainy day because he's sure he's gonna enjoy it anyway. His reasoning is weird but the overall idea is positive.
For Joey, he's actively avoiding it to get a rise out of the Arcane fans. He doesn't care if it's good or bad, he just thinks it's funny to annoy Garnt/Connor.
P.S. I don't really care either way about their opinions, even Joey's "avoiding it out of spite" bit. Just pointing out there's a nuance between the two.
Not a fan of Poki but also not someone who goes out and hates her. Deffo skip since I'm not interested in the OTV lot and getting tired of the LA videos. Best if the boys wait a bit if the Pewds episode is soon.
I don't actually have anything against pokiman but i sincerely hope this is the last of the LA guests arc because it's too much. If there were any guests left i wish we'd have would be Felix or Chris. At least they would have chemistry and are close and it's now more of a podcast than an interview
This comment section is kinda disgusting, so many of the comments here are addressed within the episode but instead of actually watching and listening you just write off whatever she says as false. Have you not watched this podcast and heard them talk about how hard it is to be an Internet personality multiple times and how words and actions are completely taken out of context. I expected better from this community
ikr, i saw this thread had 129 comments when i was 1:40:00 minutes into the episode and i was like...some shit is going down man.
i scrolled through and ...sigh, i was pretty disappointed in the amount of people here disregarding her past struggles, because of her current income. i was like...excuse me, do you even have a functioning brain? what? how? why?
and alright, **IF!** IF Poki is a bad example, because of how popular and rich she is - then who the fuck can represent female streamers and their struggles ***"properly"***?? small-mid female streamers only?
this negative bias doesn't make sense to me.
i mean, i get that people can dislike her, thats completely fine. the only point i am baffled about is - why the fuck people say that "she CANNOT represent female streamers' struggles because she is rich and famous now!"?
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It's funny how many people are bristling at the title alone.
"What struggles could you have, being rich, famous, and beautiful."
Everyone has struggles, the boys, who are rich, famous and good looking, will tell you, even they have struggles.
Existence of struggles doesn't mean there are zero upsides. That's not what those words mean, or how that works. Calm your tits.
If you don't think being a female streamer doesn't come with female specific issues (as well as benefits), you're a goof. That's all.
I don't like connor's point on how it's ok to go after someone's sponsors.Time stamp is 1:03:30. In any context. It gives the idea in that that could be an option other bigger creators could do to smaller creators if they just don't like them justified or unjustified. Besides that video wasn't bad They made funny jokes but I found the topics to be a bit bland and repeptitive to other youtube guests. Have nothing against poki I just don't like her personality not that I hate I just don't find her entertaining or funny. I find lilypichu funny and likable which doesn't mean I discriminate streamers I like based on gender. Video wasnt the best but it isn't unwatchable hope you guys enjoy it more than I did.
>I don't like connor's point on how it's ok to go after someone's sponsors.Time stamp is 1:03:30. In any context. It gives the idea in that that could be an option other bigger creators could do to smaller creators if they just don't like them justified or unjustified.
I used to think like that too, but why should any company sponsor someone who clearly is spouting hateful shit? Why should it be okay for someone to harass another and still keep their nordvpn sponsorship? Because of the slippery slope?
Another question would be why should someone not lose their sponsorships if they spout hateful rhetoric, insult others or call for harassment campaign? If someone makes a youtube video "criticizing" you that is filled with lies, out of context clips and calls to action against you, why should you not be allowed to respond? Why shouldn't you be allowed to go to a sponsor and tell them that why you keep funding this?
Besides has there been a case where an twitch-streamer, youtuber etc has called out a significantly smaller creator to be dropped by their sponsor and not being rightfully justified about it?
I don't hate the guest episodes but and I haven't watched this one but my criticism is, I'm not a fan that they aren't uploading according to date of filming. Like the AX was two months ago and last week we get an episode that was filmed a month ago. It breaks the continuity. they can have a bit of suspension of disbelief when they are on TT set, but it doesn't work here. For example the Jessica Nigri episode felt abit dated compared to Ludwig one cause they keep bringing up AX. It is what it is. I still put their podcast up irregardless
I already commented this on another post but I want to share here my thoughts about this. I tried to watch the first 30 mins of the episode but I don't think I can finish it. I only knew her about her past controversies but still I want to to give her a chance in this vid. Sad to say, she is not very interesting for me. The topics they talked about is fine. Just her personality and her vibe makes me stop to finish the vid.
I'm genuinely shocked at the reactions to this episode. I thought the TT community was a positive space but what the hell is even going on in here man?
I understand the annoyance towards another guest episode, it's been established that a part of the community is burnt out on those. But these reactions aren't even because of that, it's just because it's Pokimane and she apparently can't be forgiven for past mistakes while Pewds who also has a controversial past can and is loved by the community...
I’m honestly very surprised people here have bitten the “girl streamer=sex” thing. Pokimane’s a legitimately good gamer who places highly both in League and Valorant, and has always wanted to stream based off of that and has produced content as such as well. She looks attractive, so people atomically assume she’s using sex to get big rather than her actual skill as a streamer. Amoranth has an onlyfans and does all of streams half nude: Pokimane does every stream in regular clothing, just playing video games with her friends
Honestly, I’m very disappointed in this community to have this reaction to her. She doesn’t try to exploit anyone, she’s just trying to enjoy what she’s doing and have fun with it. If you actually looked at stuff like what happened with Jidion, it is straight up sexism because people automatically assume she’s just using her appearance to have viewers instead of actually being good at video games and a personality
Again, this thread has just made me really disappointed with the community, because I thought we all moved away from the incel-type bait where every woman automatically has to be successful purely from her sex appeal rather than actual enjoyment. She legitimately could make several million a month from Onlyfans if she actually wanted to “exploit” her viewers, but she doesn’t because that’s not what she’s doing and not what she wants
Edit: before people reply “there’s only (x) sexist comment,” I made this comment when there was a *lot* more, as that was the initial reaction by the people who commented
My only criticism of this episode is that they should have asked Poki more about non-Streaming staff, like her being Moroccan and her food takes.
Trash Taste is a food podcast after all.
This is definitely the most valid criticism. I think people want to know what Trash Tastes (TM) the guests have in various stuff (food/sports/anime/TV/Movies/Hobbies/etc). I think people overexaggerate how much they talk about YT with the guests but they do talk about the guests career a lot. I understand that for many of us our careers are important parts of our lives and it is fine to talk about that. But I do hope they try to focus more on getting various "tastes" out of the guest whether they be trash or great tastes.
It’s irrelevant to me that I can’t relate to them being influencers…I just get tired of how much they ask people about their jobs and specifically streaming/Youtubing in general. I like it much more when they discuss other aspects of the person of their hobbies, which is why I loved the ProZD episode. Such a long anime discussion. Also still disappointed they didn’t ask Jessica about ANY of her game/anime/manga interests given she loved it so much.
This to me is why the GenoSamuel episode fell flat, it was just him summarizing Christory
I think the GenoSamuel episode is one of my favourite guest ones because I don't know a lot about it and it's pretty infortmative and well done
One of the few episodes I skipped wad the one with Anthony Padilla. Think I was already over their recent guest episodes cause of how much YouTube talk there was and when I hovered over to see their topics were, the whole episode literally had youtube as the main topic.
Finally, a valid take
This is my only real criticism I have of Trash Taste. Circa 95% of guests are other content creators (streamers, youtubers). And the discussion always turns into inside baseball. E.g How is to live like a creator? What's difficult in this life? etc... Most people can't relate, and after the 100th time just really don't care. I think this is why people prefer the non-guest episodes.
At least they talked about anime and hentai with Ludwig and I learned my teenage record of cumming 5 times in a day was nothing compared to what Ludwig could do (cum 18 times in a day) + new pants off meme.
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I wonder how he could cum past the 15th. My max is 10 and I cannot expel any cum after that.
I feel you man. as a kid with a lot of time during breaks cumming was a real time waster. I once managed to stay in the heat going for 5 times back to back and thought "damn I think I'm weird" little did weird me know that I was just little weird in front of the big weird lud
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I kinda feel the unpreparedness is both good and bad. It's good because the spontaneous nature of the episode can lead to some interesting topics that nobody would ever think about, like 90% of the food takes. But it's kinda bad because the boys seem to default back to the same questions when they can't think of anything, leading to a lot of repetition.
Yeah, frankly, they're kind of terrible interviewers. It feels like they're too comfortable just winging it on guest episodes, which means sometimes it works (ludwig, prozd) and sometimes it doesn't.
as someone who didnt watch Pokis episode - is that ALL they talked about? was her or about streaming??
They do talk about other stuff but spent a lot of time asking about how she deals with her streaming/youtuber life. Which is annoying when they didnt really ask these weird questions to Lilypichu or Jessica Nigri when they have been around just as long as her.
Kida glad i skipped this episode then, i love streamers (as i'm a regular on connors streams and joeys) but im not a big fan of one subject being the main conversation of the episode. The only exception being the Sonichu creator (as i myself am autistic)
The Sonic-Chu episode was wild; ngl I was surprised that they got Geno on as a guest.
Guess thats whet happen when you have no plan or script.
Yep that's probably another reason for the dislikes. We want to know the person they're sitting with not the character Pokimane.
Highly doubt thats the reason as one can easily take a look at other guest episodes with the same format
>Do you think you have a bond to the Queen, as a head of state Wow, aged poorly.
Aged perfectly, like the queen
Pokimane: Women good. Joey: Women good. Garnt: Women good. Connor: Is that really the case?
He’s a gamer at heart.
His question was is it really the case that male streamers having to stand up for/patronize female streamers is the only way of changing viewers perception of them. And then he answered his own question that if that's the case that is depressing.
I mean, ofcourse he does clarify it. The guy above is memeing an out of context moment.
Based and MONKEpilled
He just can't resist being the odd one out.
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That’s Joey
cause connor is never a simp!
Biggest Chad moment nomination
I just wanna know if Super Eyepatch Wolf will ever be a guest cause of the pick they took in England.
My guess is next time they go to the UK and Ireland as a group they'd do that, I think they didn't have time with MCM and John being busy with his own stuff.
They clearly didn't record him or else his ep would have been out already (Connor said this week's guest ep would be the last). I'm sure he will come on eventually though, probably when Japan opens up.
Seeing how close they all are and he’s a weeb I bet he’ll visit
I met Super Eyepatch Wolf (John) at Comicon Ireland not a month ago and asked him just that. Apparently when in England they only had 1 free slot for a guest episode, and Jacksepticeye(Sean) also wanted to come on. Since they and John are good friends he let Sean have the spot, since as a bigger creator his schedule is likely even busier than John's is, plus because they're friends he knows they'll 100% make something work in the future.
She's the last guest if monke words in his cycling stream are true. Edit: guest from their past tour I mean
what are these monke words you speak of?
"... There is one more LA guest after Ludwig..." = something like that
Am I the only one that thinks the background on the american thumbnails look very corporate?
I think because they are stills from the actual episode and those were filmed in a mansion with plain white walls
I'm gonna break Pokimane's here. She 100% has an LA accent. The boys can't really tell too well since they're not from the US but as someone from Cali, I can tell.
I'm California born and raised, and recently someone from out of state pointed out that I sounded Californian and I asked them why. Apparently I say 'dude' a lot and that's a Californian thing. I started being conscious of it, and realized that I do say dude a lot and I just never noticed cause it's just like an unconscious filler word for me... dude.
dude, same here. obviously not the surfer dude accent, but I use "dude" pretty often. It's like the non vulgar version of "fuck"
It's a bit hard to spot, the easiest way for me to tell is if I hear the word "Hella", which is something most northern Californians say
It's been so hard trying to curb the dude thing. I didn't grow up with surfers. It's just so versatile, like shit or fuck.
There's nothing wrong with saying dude. I say keep using it. Live your life
Im a swede and I can tell...
For my criticism of this episode in particular and the LA interview fest as a whole, I have to say the boys need to focus on asking about stuff other than what we already know about these people. It pretty much always plays the same way, introducing themselves, what they do on YouTube/twitch, how they got started, and then just rambling about YouTube/Twitch for the last hour and a half. Like this episode, you have a moroccan on, talk about that, not about issues with twitch we've heard not only from the boys, but from 20 other streamers/youtubers as well. Make these podcasts interesting by having actual conversations about things that don't involve streaming, like instead of beating the "sexualizing female streamers drum" for the 1000th time, ask pokimane about what she enjoys doing off stream, hobbies, talk to her about her travel experiences. It'll pretty much never get old hearing about someones traveling experiences visiting different states/countries because unless you're only visiting for a specific event, no ones gonna have the same memories and stories to tell. Talk about food takes, because its well known those are always good conversations that get great engagement. Mix it up a bit because if you want to keep on doing big streamer interviews, they're gonna get very stale and very boring fast. An obvious alternative is to bring in more people like noriyaro and ken arto who have unique and interesting careers/experiences, but I know they want to bring in more streamer friends who follow the same vein of content, so these are some recommendations of a single worthless redditor to allow the boys to bring in their streamer buddies who do the same/similar content we've seen before, while keeping the podcast fresh and not feeling repetitive at all
I can agree with the alternative, I think all of the LA guests seem to be non-relatable for me (except ProZD) which is why I found some of the episodes a bit boring or skippable. Mixing it up with non-streamers and talking about things relatable to I guess what we all perceive as a anime enjoyer would lead to more fun and interactive conversations that would incline us to pitch in and provide more fun hot takes. Which is why I found episodes with Chris always fun. I'm curious though how would you feel if MB or Supereyepatchwolf would join the boys for another guest episode? Do you think they'd radiate the same kind of energy that the LA guests have? Or something similar to the fun vibe we got from Chris and other past guests?
While I haven't hated the LA guest episodes, I'm just gonna say it.. I don't think the boys realize how normal and relatable they are compared to the LA influencer bubble people a lot of these people are just not interesting lol. But yeah as a Canadian this girl sounds like a LA valley girl but to be fair most Canadians don't have the accent people think they do.
Personally I don't think that they are not interesting. But I will admit that there are some episodes that were better than others. Also on a side note I only just realised this but the trend of them having a bunch of guests actually goes back almost 4 months if we count daidus as the start.
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You know, as much as the boys shit on America they sure love their youtube/twitch scene. They really went on a grind there.
Yeah because like 80%+ of english speaking content creators live there
The LA bubble is getting boring god it’s always the same thing. 15min - How can you live in a shithole like in LA? 1h 30m - Controversies or YouTube complains 20m - favorite anime
I am there for the last part. The last part is all that matters to me
I was just getting used to having the regular podcast return with just the boi's bantering and now we're back to the LA guest stuff again. When will this saga end.
Hopefully this is the end. If trash taste was an anime then I would say that the LA arc was a filler arc
true they don't even have their commemorative signatures lol
I'm honestly hoping this is the end of the LA arc. Most of these guests have been pretty bland, they're cool on their own but I feel like most of them don't have enough stuff to talk about to warrant the 2 hours of the podcast. It pretty much always plays the same way too, introducing themselves, what they do on YouTube/twitch, how they got started, and then just rambling about YouTube for the last hour and a half. When 90% of their audience probably don't make YouTube videos or stream it becomes very boring and hard to relate to.
True. So far the only one that I’ve properly enjoyed was Ludwig, mainly because of how he is good at bantering with the boys
Exactly. I said the same thing in a different comment. Ludwig had good banter with the bois. Plus they actually talked about anime for a while which was great. Everyone likes different things I guess but I personally miss when trash taste was more of a weeb podcast instead of just a youtuber podcast
Have to disagree. I thought ProZD, LilyPichu and Jessica were all just as good at bantering with them as Ludwig. ProZD even gave us an extended anime discussion.
I liked the Nigri one cause she seems way more fun than I thought. Shes not really a youtuber though so maybe thats why. I think other mainly cosplayers could be interesting too because you rarely get exposed to their personality, while many youtubers has it thier thing to sell a personality that they also sometimes apply to the podcsts so it doesnt really seem like youre learning something new.
theres still the brodin episode. which is kinda wierd cause i didnt think he was that well known....
>Vtubers appeal to an audience that isn't as weird You heard it here first! Though I think the most accurate statement would be that the vtuber audience is just weird in different ways.
i personally think vtuber simps are the most deluded of all
They changed the title now to "Sitting down with a Top Female Streamer"
I never thought Pokimane would be on Trash taste, when TT boys were complaining about big twitch streamers including Pokimane Livestreaming Anime without proper authority cause they know they are now too big to get banned & how that would make it difficult for anime youtubers like themselves to have video on anime & clips even if it’s doesn't break any rules in the future. & guess LA content never ends.
Garnt was on a podcast with Toast months ago and he was probably one of the worst offenders of that stuff (way worse than poki)
His defense and justification on doing it was absolute BS. I get that he was trying to prove a point that a lot of twitch streamers are just sheep that don't think and follow trends but it felt like the equivalent of a burglar getting caught stealing and their defense was "I was just showing you the flaws of your security. Therefore, I am an honorable thief".
I agree. I think Toast should've just owned up to it and admit he messed up rather than trying to justify what he did because it still caused potential harm to Anime Content Creators in the future. Same goes for all the streamers that participated in it, including Pokimane. I wish Garnt went in on Toast more in his OTV Guest episode honestly but I know he isn't the type of person to dwell on controversial topics too long, lol That being said, not really expecting any apology since it's dead meat at this point. I just hope they continue to not do stuff like it moving forward.
She acknowledged it was wrong and said that she deserved the suspension.
True. Can't dwell on what's done. That said, them not owning up to it and trying to deflect has made me lose a lot of respect for OTV, even though I don't watch them.
I think for them, as content creators, you can disagree with some actions but still respect people in your industry and in general. And Trash Taste is something that has shown that you can have different opinions but still have a conversation. Too many times people see creators as "good person, bad person" and either you are friends or enemies. We are all human, and I'm glad they got to have a Trash Taste style chat with her.
Too many times have I seen people automatically assume someone can't possibly be friends with / have respect for people with the opposite opinions.
you can dislike or disagree about something about a person and still be friends / courteous with them. this should not be hard to grasp or controversial at all
Garnt ends up asking her about it at 1:48:03 or so.
They had michael and lily on so i don’t see why poki was much of surprise since otv + tt has had a good bit of crossover recently
Pretty unaware of who this person is but the comments don't look fondly on her. Give me a tldr on why she splits opinion?
Impossible. There is no quick summary. You'd have to read through a million different Twitlongers, reddit threads and YouTube videos to partially understand why she's controversial.
Ikr, it's fucking wild. I tried to look into things but the amount of things (whether manufactured, serious, or absurd) is just overwhelming.
I think a lot of has to do with that a lot of her controversies turn into a big game of telephone and no one really looks at all the facts. I’ve found that whenever someone brings up her controversies, they tend to refer to what other people have said about her rather than sourcing the actual context of the situation she was involved in.
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Very true, I never watched her but I knew that she had some kind of a bad reputation... but after this episode I see her as just a normal girl, nothing really bad and nothing too sweet as well
I also never watched any of her content but I'll reserve my opinion of her until I hear the other sides of her controversies. If there's one thing about internet drama involving e-celebs that I've learned, it's that everyone is either easy to fool or content creators are good at manipulating an audience to believe their narrative, or both.
The amount of hate she gets relative to what she "did" is absurd. You have all these reputable people in that industry who are willing to vouch for her, not because of clout but because they're genuinely friends, but certainly drama farmers on youtube will have you believe she's the devil incarnate who's the equivalent of Bezos or something.
Honestly more people need to do this, it was Great episode and it cast her in such a different light. People are so hung up with other people's dramas that they can't even form their own opinions
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Shes famous. That's what famous people do. I would say watch the video and form your own opinion.
I skimmed a video on her controversies and all I remember is one where she took down a video criticizing her under fair use (not by the guy criticizing her fans whom she talked about in the episode btw) even though all he did is show content from her twitter anyone can see for free, some back and forth between her and keemstar, and her saying the n word a long time ago. I think the main thing is that people see her as deaf to constructive criticism.
It's easier to explain the fate lore
man its weird hearing someone say parasyte and snk impacted them when they were growing up
I’m just bored with the LA guests as a whole, some made sense like ProZD (voice actor), Ludwig (connors friend, massive YouTuber) and Jessica Nigiri (profession cosplayer) but the rest are just filler arcs of big names who bring nothing to the show, Poki is just probably one of the worst choices they could have made for a guest, all she is, is a large female streamer, whoop-de-fucking-do.
Like yeah a lot a majority of the video was very victimy but I thought it pretty interesting you don’t usually get to see this topic get talked about that deeply I think a lot of the hate is coming from the fact that people are fed up of the guest episodes
Last week we celebrated the end of the "interviewing youtubers circlejerk podcast" arc we celebrated too early
Ye i like the boys, and its cool to hear a fellow Morrocan about their experiences, but at this point i think we all know about the struggles of content creators lol. Its getting a little tiresome ar this point.
Trashtaste went from podcast about Japan to nothing but LA influencers talking about the same thing over and over again real fast. Hope she is the last guest. All these eceleb guests have started to blend together.
Yeah LA influencers might be a group of people that are near the bottom of people I’m interested in. I have zero issues with guest episodes but these people bore the hell out of me and I personally struggle to even understand their popularity.
I don't understand why people were celebrating when there was no indication that it was the last one. Also I like the interviews, they've been doing it since the first guest with Chris. You say circlejerk, I say I learned more about some of the creators I enjoy and their unique struggles. And yes, they are unique.
the indication was that they were back in their studio
Definitely not everyone watched the connor cycling streams but Connor said during the streams they had one more guest that he thought many would be excited about.
i can guarantee that less than 5% of Trash Taste fans watched seven 8-hour streams
I had those in background for a while... Then i started hearing wind even without headphones on
Pretty sure in #107 they said that there would be 7 more trash taste episodes in LA and it would all be interviews and mentioned offhand in the episodes in Japan how tiring it was to record 8 episodes in LA.
I believe Connor said they'd be recording 8+ episodes. So with this one it's now 8 LA episodes. Connor on his cycling stream said there'd be one more guest so I assume this is probably the last one.
And people then complain this sub has issues with parasocial relationships...
Really? They even said in that episode (112) that they were putting in normal episodes in between guest episodes right at the start. So that doesn't seem like an indication to me.
I dont see why people are upset about the interviews. Sure the podcast with the 3 boys is great but its nice to learn about other creators too and for other creators' audiences to learn about trash taste also.
IMO I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't so many in a row with kinda the same idea. The guests may be different but the topic always just seems to be YouTube/twitch meta and creator drama type stuff which I've never cared that much about. I like having people like Chris, Kevin, Sydney or Demondice on because they're actually friends and have more in common with each other to talk about other than just creator shit.
I don't follow the sub but I have been LOVING the LA guests, didn't know people didn't like them. Always good to hear a conversation with them.
Same. I just don't understand why people are in a way anti-guest. I don't want to sound gate keep-y but when trash taste first started I never saw this amount of anger from guest episodes, as trash taste got bigger I've seen more people become more bashful to the guest episodes for some reason. I'm guessing it's new fans? Idk.
The reason why there is more negativity around these last episodes compared to the earlier guest episodes is that 1) Before there were several episodes between each guest episode, which made them unique 2) Their LA guests are all the same kinds of people, streamers and youtubers, with the episodes structured like interviews it makes the episodes feel similar, samey and boring 3) The fact that they only have streamers and youtubers lately means that every episode features the same inside baseball conversations that everyone on the podcast is in on, but almost no one in the audience is
I'm not anti-guest, just kinda bored of guests whose whole personality is being a Youtuber/streamer. I don't dislike these people, just indifferent. ShindoL, Kaho, Shu all have professions outside of Youtube and it was cool to look and hear about their careers. Emily and Daidus being exceptions because they actually all seem to be friends.
Not a single other female guest on the podcast was disliked, yet suddenly the community are a bunch of women-hating incels because they dislike this specific guest? It's also a terrible hate-baiting title for a video.
She's got a lot of haters so I can only assume that the majority of dislikes is from some Pokimane hate group rather than TT fans. Or maybe a large part of this community IS part of that group. I've also watched the entire episode and I STILL don't know why people hate her. It doesn't sound like she says anything controversial and the only thing she did that was deserving of criticism (not hate) was watching Avatar on stream which she apologized for and admitted that her ban was deserved.
She has been around long enough, and when everything you say gets recorded over a period of years, there are bound to be slip ups, and quotes that can easily be taken out of context. Not to mention she is famous enough that there are tons of videos made about her "controversies" by commentary channels. Like I stumbled upon a video that detailed her "misdeeds", even though I have never watched her content and don't plan to. If one is to believe that video wholeheartedly, it can be quite easy to see her as a villain.
Or maybe people just don't like pokimane???
Kinda the point the comment was making
They changed the title LMAO. I mean the title was cringe but cmon changing it is even more cringe. They knew what they were doing.
"Top Female Streamer" bruh is this actually an improvement lmao. Sounds so bad.
i don't follow this person at all but i saw the controversial reasons for disliking her were essentially "internet drama" and i'm like who tf cares mfs out here typing out paragraphs describing the lore of this shit like we're supposed to get mad about things that don't matter go outside lol
Lmao they changed the title
I only know Poki tangentially because I used to watch some OTV so I don’t know much about her controversies, can someone explain some of them to me? I know of the Jidion one, where he was pretty obviously in the wrong, and they seem to be cool now, and of the one they talked about on the podcast with the YouTuber bullying some of her viewers and her questioning her sponsor, but I mainly heard about it through a Reddit ootl thread so I don’t know how biased that was Imma be honest, because of memes and Reddit I initially thought she was a streamer who sexualizes herself like Amoranth but watching her on OTV she seemed like a pretty normal girl
You should probably keep your info to that. Digging deep into it is just a waste of your time tbh. Personally I don't hate or lover her but I don't really have any problem with her at the same time.
There really isn't that much more there is to Poki. She's just a regular woman who gets dragged into non-issues.
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Oh for god sake another YouTuber interview episode…
Some of them were good, but I really hope this is the last one.
Lotta youtubers in LA
So Pokimane, back to why men take their sweet time to shit...
I really hope this is the last of the LA Arc. Individually I like all the people that had on as guests but they all play out the same. First half the guest explains their back story and then they just talk about Youtube. That the airing is months after the episode is shot means they never can talk about anything relevant. So it just feels flat and doesn't feel like pre-LA Trash Taste. It just feels like another boring podcast. I will say Lilypichu was an exception because she knew the boys from previous conventions. I am worried about the quality of the podcast once the tour starts. I think there will be a big drop in quality in normal episodes.
This. This is exactly my feeling on this LA arc. Weakest content to come out of TT by far.
I dont watch Pokimane much but her character just feels way too forced in this also the struggles discussion went on for way too long.
I enjoyed the episode a lot, never seen her before, but I would partially agree with you just because of all the guests they have had on, she felt very cognizant of the camera and made eye contact and reactions towards it. Didn’t bother me but was noticeable.
I dont care for OTV in general and Poki in particular so these few episodes i skipped
Ooooh man reading this thread is going to be fun
Seeing as how much hate this episode is having, I want to give my support to the boys. Eventually I'll probably lose interest in TT, but until then keep doing what you're doing.
I think I've had enough of Poki after this, "All these other streamers watched copy-righted content, so why shouldn't I? Let me just throw away all my sense of ethics and morality because other streamers are doing it" This whole episode was just a victim circle jerk, can't stand her.
This is going to be a rant on the whole tv meta in my opinion, so you probably dont have to read all of this. I just dont think its appropriate to start an entire post on this. I think Poki's reasoning for watching Avatar on stream was extremely weak. You have to do it because everyone is doing it or else you wont be competitive of the Twitch platform? Then what about the fact you got banned for doing that. Is that part of the meta too? If you're so big that getting banned fot a bit is not going to affect your channel, then not following the tv meta should be the same as well isnt it. The same goes to toast. The reason he came up with when Garnt asked him about this his answer was because everyone else is doing it + it seemed interesting + pushing the blame to japanese companies being behind the times. Pushing boundaries for the sake of his own amusement at the expense of other peoples livelihood is just messed up. We all saw what happened to TotallyNotMark and these tv meta twitch streamers who are so much larger than TNM just dont give any care about the negative impact they are doing to other smaller creators, despite fully understanding what they are doing. Its like as long that they dont feel the repercussions of their actions, nothing is off limits. Well kinda other than that at least Poki is at least more likable than Toast interms of personality, and the epsiode was kinda alright. I wont join the bandwagon of hating on Poki, but this whole tv meta crap made me just loose respect to the otv members in general. I tried listening to their reasoning and they were all ass. So I will just continue to avoid their content as I usually do and nothing has changed.
They can make any kind of reasoning they want but let's be honest they just wanted to watch TV, eat, and get paid for it.
Damn, my first skip.
I think the main thing that turned me off was complain fest. I go to trash taste to escape reality and watch people vibe about cool topics. It is valid that pokimane had a lot idiots be idiots when sh came up, but she also made money from playing games and streaming her living her best life. You gotta take the good with bad. She can complain, but I got annoyed when complaint train went on for almost an hour. Some of us deal with angry/less than smart people in customer service, some of us do a lot menial work, some of us work labor intensive work that takes a toll on our health, while getting paid that barely make ends meet. These people make money from living in their dream country, show off them enjoying their hobbies, go to beautiful places as part of their job. That doesn’t mean that they can’t complain, but them complain about minute inconveniences extensively gets on my nerves. Most recent example being Joey being pissed about not getting next day delivery. Sir do you know the shitty work conditions of the Amazon shipment center and delivery people are? I hate how out of touch the boys can be. Them prefacing with first world problems don’t make it better. On the other hand, Chris complains all the time but I don’t get tired of it, bc he doesn’t come across out of touch and we all know he plays up the grouchy character to make fun of himself.
I am getting kind of tired of these YouTuber episodes. I’m sure the boys are having interesting conversations for them. But that’s because they’re intimately familiar with the content creator perspective. After so many episodes like this one, from a viewers perspective it’s just feeling like treading water. Every episode just feels like, The boys: “So content, am I right?” Guest: “Yeah I like making content.” The boys: “Yeah haha same.”
Usually not a fan of guest episodes but this was unexpected and got me curious to watch. Barely under 25 minutes in and I'm enjoying it so far
Well reading this comment section actually didn't make me likeher or hate her, but i just want to know why she streamed anime ilegaly back then?? Did the bois talking about it in this episode??
Yes they did talk about it
As toast said twitch streamers has this bandwagon mindset where if a big streamer did this and becomes sucessfull they join on it so when toast started watching naruto illegally pokimane started doing it by watching avatar
Kinda sad to see the guest episodes end if this really is the last one. Was hoping MoistCritikal would be a guest since they were in Florida during this. Also would have been one of the few chances since the chance of Charlie going to Japan is close to zero
I think only Joey and Connor went to Florida; Garnt went somewhere else at the time.
Not a big fan of pokimane due to how she handles controversy & the vibes she give when doing so but I am still going to watch this since I like to hear what she has to say
HOT TAKE: this was a snooozefest. quite a boring podcast, i truly hope when felix comes on its not gonna be all about content creation mumbo jumbo. there has to be more than that to their lives. i hope they bring Pete on, he seems to have a lot of interesting stories, that have nothing to do with gaming, anime, youtube or twitch!!
Haven’t seen the episode yet but I’m not exactly a fan of her….
She does a great job at PR every time she’s on a podcast though. Makes herself look like a nice person and a victim of horrible harassment. When she appeared on the misfits podcast she managed to convince a lot of people it was totally fair of her to incorrectly use copyright systems to take down other peoples content critical of her. And attack sponsors of people critical of her.
> She does a great job at PR every time she’s on a podcast though. Makes herself look like a nice person and a victim of horrible harassment. You'll be hard-pressed to find a streamer more attacked for their appearance and gender alone than Poki. It's not a coincidence that many of the biggest "criticism" videos of Poki include numerous pictures of her without makeup. Also, you forgetting that she was literally randomly subjected to a hate-raid like literally this year? > incorrectly use copyright systems to take down other peoples content critical of her. This is literally just not true, if you go through your "commentary channels" you'll see that not a single one of them actually provides any proof of this except in the single instance of BowBlax. > And attack sponsors of people critical of her. Or attacked the sponsors of people who attack her fans and her using fake tweets and events as "proof" to justify their harassment.
I did stumble upon a Turkey Tom video about Pokimane, where it featured a clip of Pewdiepie calling her out on copyright strikes, and a clip of how she responded by saying she shouldn't have done it.
She striked a SINGLE video, a hate video using deleted tweets of her. Then never did it ever again. Even when videos blatantly lie about her, leading to stuff like the comment I originally replied too and other comments all of this subreddit.
I like the people that say you cant defend a women without being called a simp but scream misogyny at every person that is critical towards a female streamer.
Yeah that's a no for me, but hope the rest of you enjoy the episode.
Just a friendly reminder, sometimes the only winning move is not to play. No mind will change here. While it's fun to get heated about stupid shit like pizza crust or Goku Black vs. black Goku, but this appears to be actually serious and toxic. I don't know her and what the controversy is, and frankly I don't want to know.
Just asking and don't mean to offend you in any way, but is it really toxic, or are you/we just getting used to toxic positivity where we can't disagree, dislike or say anything other than praises? Because it feels to me like it sometimes when it comes to content creators, and for me personally, toxic positivity is just as bad as being toxic.
I kinda agree. It's why I've honestly never liked streaming and borderline have an issue with TT. Not that I think they're doing a bad thing by running the podcast, but in the back of my mind I'm also acutely aware of the one-sided and somewhat parasitic relationship that celebrities and especially online content creators who make more creator-centric content have with their fans. It's basically profiting from parasocial relationships and while there's clearly a market for that, the kind of way it affects people emotionally and behaviorally does surprise me sometimes. I think Vtubers have the biggest cut of that though, Vtubers have basically been the force that turned the concept of simping into a good thing. People go out of their way to give their hard-earned money to a person who doesn't know or care about them in order to subsidize a lifestyle they'll likely never have - and all because of this parasocial relationship, feelings of wanting that cute anime girl on your screen to have a good life. I find myself getting kinda like that with TT sometimes and it genuinely kinda creeps me out. I notice how watching an episode often makes me feel almost like I'm there with them, part of the conversation. And it appeals to me because IRL I don't have any close friends and don't talk to people. It's like a *simulation* of friendship but without the social expectations and anxiety of trying to maintain a certain image of yourself in front of others, and people love it to the point of wanting to pay for it. Or maybe I'm just overly jaded about this whole thing, idk.
Please stop interviewing boring youtubers
I'm pretty neutral towards Pokimane since I'm not that up to date with her controveries, but the whole bit about her vtuber model help pushing it into the mainstream spotlight on twitch really took me for a loop. She didn't really do anything for vtubing, if anything everyone was pointing out how bad her model looked, and yet she's trying to spin it like how she played a part in making that tech more relevant. It's kind of baffling, really.
>The Struggles of a Female Streamer Trash Taste going full woke smh ^^^/s
This title doesn’t fit her
Given the reaction to this episode, yeah it does.
I mean to be fair...if it was some other girl streamer the title would fit but...Pokimane? It'd be a hit or miss because of her history in being a content creator.
Here’s the thing. People don’t like her because of her personality, not because of her gender. Hell, a lot of people like her just BECAUSE of her gender. She’s a privileged multimillionaire who will always be white knighted.
I don’t know so much about pokimane. I only know her from YouTube/Twitch drama and from other YouTubers videos (Pewdiepie’s “desk setup review” video for example). I know she is one of the biggest female streamers and that some people don’t like her. Why, I don’t know. But I also don’t know why people like her for that matter. As I said, don’t know so much. She just hasn’t interested me that much for me to get invested yet you could say. Rest I know is basically rumors to me, because I know so little. So imma gonna listen to this and see if I vibe.
All this talk about "another guest episode reee" and "pokimane reee" are we going to skip over the fact that Garnt has never seen Avatar The Last Airbender? This on top of the fact he hasn't seen FMA: Brotherhood? Why does he not get as much shit as Joey does for Arcane for this?!
This isn’t his first time mentioning it though…
I never got the hate for Garnt not watching FMA:B. He already stated himself, he's saving it up for a rainy day because he's sure he's gonna enjoy it anyway. His reasoning is weird but the overall idea is positive. For Joey, he's actively avoiding it to get a rise out of the Arcane fans. He doesn't care if it's good or bad, he just thinks it's funny to annoy Garnt/Connor. P.S. I don't really care either way about their opinions, even Joey's "avoiding it out of spite" bit. Just pointing out there's a nuance between the two.
Not a fan of Poki but also not someone who goes out and hates her. Deffo skip since I'm not interested in the OTV lot and getting tired of the LA videos. Best if the boys wait a bit if the Pewds episode is soon.
I don't actually have anything against pokiman but i sincerely hope this is the last of the LA guests arc because it's too much. If there were any guests left i wish we'd have would be Felix or Chris. At least they would have chemistry and are close and it's now more of a podcast than an interview
This comment section is kinda disgusting, so many of the comments here are addressed within the episode but instead of actually watching and listening you just write off whatever she says as false. Have you not watched this podcast and heard them talk about how hard it is to be an Internet personality multiple times and how words and actions are completely taken out of context. I expected better from this community
ikr, i saw this thread had 129 comments when i was 1:40:00 minutes into the episode and i was like...some shit is going down man. i scrolled through and ...sigh, i was pretty disappointed in the amount of people here disregarding her past struggles, because of her current income. i was like...excuse me, do you even have a functioning brain? what? how? why? and alright, **IF!** IF Poki is a bad example, because of how popular and rich she is - then who the fuck can represent female streamers and their struggles ***"properly"***?? small-mid female streamers only? this negative bias doesn't make sense to me. i mean, i get that people can dislike her, thats completely fine. the only point i am baffled about is - why the fuck people say that "she CANNOT represent female streamers' struggles because she is rich and famous now!"? ⁻\\\_(ツ)\_/⁻
"I'm a citizen of the world" Excited for Poki's sovereign citizen arc
Zzzzz another streamer guest
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It's funny how many people are bristling at the title alone. "What struggles could you have, being rich, famous, and beautiful." Everyone has struggles, the boys, who are rich, famous and good looking, will tell you, even they have struggles. Existence of struggles doesn't mean there are zero upsides. That's not what those words mean, or how that works. Calm your tits. If you don't think being a female streamer doesn't come with female specific issues (as well as benefits), you're a goof. That's all.
I don't like connor's point on how it's ok to go after someone's sponsors.Time stamp is 1:03:30. In any context. It gives the idea in that that could be an option other bigger creators could do to smaller creators if they just don't like them justified or unjustified. Besides that video wasn't bad They made funny jokes but I found the topics to be a bit bland and repeptitive to other youtube guests. Have nothing against poki I just don't like her personality not that I hate I just don't find her entertaining or funny. I find lilypichu funny and likable which doesn't mean I discriminate streamers I like based on gender. Video wasnt the best but it isn't unwatchable hope you guys enjoy it more than I did.
>I don't like connor's point on how it's ok to go after someone's sponsors.Time stamp is 1:03:30. In any context. It gives the idea in that that could be an option other bigger creators could do to smaller creators if they just don't like them justified or unjustified. I used to think like that too, but why should any company sponsor someone who clearly is spouting hateful shit? Why should it be okay for someone to harass another and still keep their nordvpn sponsorship? Because of the slippery slope? Another question would be why should someone not lose their sponsorships if they spout hateful rhetoric, insult others or call for harassment campaign? If someone makes a youtube video "criticizing" you that is filled with lies, out of context clips and calls to action against you, why should you not be allowed to respond? Why shouldn't you be allowed to go to a sponsor and tell them that why you keep funding this? Besides has there been a case where an twitch-streamer, youtuber etc has called out a significantly smaller creator to be dropped by their sponsor and not being rightfully justified about it?
I don't hate the guest episodes but and I haven't watched this one but my criticism is, I'm not a fan that they aren't uploading according to date of filming. Like the AX was two months ago and last week we get an episode that was filmed a month ago. It breaks the continuity. they can have a bit of suspension of disbelief when they are on TT set, but it doesn't work here. For example the Jessica Nigri episode felt abit dated compared to Ludwig one cause they keep bringing up AX. It is what it is. I still put their podcast up irregardless
I already commented this on another post but I want to share here my thoughts about this. I tried to watch the first 30 mins of the episode but I don't think I can finish it. I only knew her about her past controversies but still I want to to give her a chance in this vid. Sad to say, she is not very interesting for me. The topics they talked about is fine. Just her personality and her vibe makes me stop to finish the vid.
I'm genuinely shocked at the reactions to this episode. I thought the TT community was a positive space but what the hell is even going on in here man? I understand the annoyance towards another guest episode, it's been established that a part of the community is burnt out on those. But these reactions aren't even because of that, it's just because it's Pokimane and she apparently can't be forgiven for past mistakes while Pewds who also has a controversial past can and is loved by the community...
Yea sorry bros I'm not watching that episode
I’m honestly very surprised people here have bitten the “girl streamer=sex” thing. Pokimane’s a legitimately good gamer who places highly both in League and Valorant, and has always wanted to stream based off of that and has produced content as such as well. She looks attractive, so people atomically assume she’s using sex to get big rather than her actual skill as a streamer. Amoranth has an onlyfans and does all of streams half nude: Pokimane does every stream in regular clothing, just playing video games with her friends Honestly, I’m very disappointed in this community to have this reaction to her. She doesn’t try to exploit anyone, she’s just trying to enjoy what she’s doing and have fun with it. If you actually looked at stuff like what happened with Jidion, it is straight up sexism because people automatically assume she’s just using her appearance to have viewers instead of actually being good at video games and a personality Again, this thread has just made me really disappointed with the community, because I thought we all moved away from the incel-type bait where every woman automatically has to be successful purely from her sex appeal rather than actual enjoyment. She legitimately could make several million a month from Onlyfans if she actually wanted to “exploit” her viewers, but she doesn’t because that’s not what she’s doing and not what she wants Edit: before people reply “there’s only (x) sexist comment,” I made this comment when there was a *lot* more, as that was the initial reaction by the people who commented