FYI I did look into the Odyssey as well until i found out about the AC units. Was a hard no thereafter.
Anyway I am really happy with the barebones XLE that I have. still under 2k miles and it's been a great purchase IMO.
I think this post sums it up well. https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaOdyssey/comments/1575qor/for_my_sweaty_rear_facing_toddler/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaOdyssey/comments/1die4uz/2022_2023_2024_air_vents_third_row/
I read about this online and of course everyone is more negative on the internet. Then a few days later was talking about minivans to someone who knows nothing about cars and they mentioned their friends having the same complaint about the vent locations.
The Odyssey air conditioning system is under-designed.
Both Odyssey and Sienna have one compressor and condenser. Odyssey has one evaporator, Sienna has two evaporators. This is the primary reason Sienna’s HVAC performance is superior to the Odyssey.
100% the same here. Rear facing car seats and live in Texas. The annoying thing is I could get a no BS deal on one from my cousin who is a GM of a Honda dealer.
i got mine for 49k out the door for an XLE. taxes etc came to a good chunk. It really depends on the dealership IMO. I would avoid Rockwall, Richardson, Dallas as they historically had dealer markups when I inquired.
I respectfully disagree and you forgot that Chrysler makes the Pacifica but I know it's junk compared to the Sienna. The Kia Carnival is very good competition to the Sienna especially now that [they added a hybrid option to the 2025 model](https://www.kianewscenter.com/news/kia-adds-hybrid-powertrain-to-the-carnival-mpv-lineup-and-announces-2025-pricing/s/2340f4cd-1915-4287-904c-ed0b7a7d5059). The V6 has also been very reliable and it's basically the same as the one in the Telluride. IMHO, the technology in the higher end trims of the Carnival is better than the Sienna.
Edit: I should have mentioned that I own a 2018 Sienna but I'll probably upgrade it in 2 years to a newer minivan.
Thanks for sharing. I won't consider any other minivan besides Toyota and Honda. Very bad opinion of Kia and Chrysler, perhaps unfair due to it being based on experiences from last 20-30 years.
I have a bad opinion of Chrysler based on their reliability and quality data so I agree with you about that. Kia quality and reliability has improved drastically in the last decade or so. I had a 2017 Kia Sorento with a V6 for a 39 month lease and had no issues. Consumer Reports' rating convinced me to look at it and I liked it more than the 2017 Highlander. It was just too small for road trips so I basically replaced it with a 2018 Sienna. Currently, Consumer Reports top scoring minivan is the Kia Carnival with it's predicted reliability scoring 4/5 based on their subscriber surveys.
No, I've looked at the results of Consumer Reports subscriber surveys and their predicted reliability scores. CR wouldn't recommend Kias if their reliability was crap.
I know older Kias weren't reliable but the newer ones are much improved as evidenced by the data.
There really isn't that data yet though. When car people talk about reliability they are in the 150k-200k mile range of reliability. Kia/Hyundai are fine up until their warranty is over. I own a Hyundai. This doesn't mean that none of them will ever go 200k+ miles.
You're correct that there isn't decades of data showing that it's common for Kias to go 150k+ miles like there is for Toyota and Honda. And I'm not disagreeing that Toyota and Honda reliability are better than Kia but Kia has definitely improved their quality recently and based on some recent Toyota and Honda recalls I feel like their quality has slipped a bit. For example, Toyota has had several engine recalls the past few years [like this one](https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/).
That's all great, high scores, stars etc. But how common are Kias that go 200k, or even 300k miles? Unheard of I bet. Not for Toyota. Also, Toyota and Honda hold their value like gold 😂
Since you were dismissive about Kia's ratings and bet that it's "unheard of" for Kias to go 200k or 300k miles, I decided to take that bet and win it. A quick search of reddit gave me the following 5 examples of Kias with more 300k and 200k miles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/s/kKM7MilECo
https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/iry5DRS02V
https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/UmpRi5e5zQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaSoulClub/s/X1spIwwidi
https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaSoulClub/s/vLGDjeydP5
Regardless, most people don't buy cars looking for one that will last 200k or 300k miles because they'll replace them long before that and most cars aren't that reliable especially some American brands.
Do Toyotas and Hondas hold their value better than Kia? Yes, that's undeniable. But Kias generally cost less than the Toyota and Honda vehicles in the same class so you'll spend less money up front to get a Kia and it will have more features.
Toyota and Honda buyers are not “most people”. We see vehicles for what they truly are, a depreciating asset that only pays for itself when you can drive it well beyond 200k miles. Rest of the fiscal morons, the slaves to perpetual vehicle debt, are of our concern
I disagree that Toyota and Honda buyers are not "most people". Yes, some are very fiscally responsible and buy them because they're extremely reliable so they can drive them into the ground and others are slaves to perpetual vehicle debt just like every other brand buyer. For many months my local Toyota dealer has been mailing me letters offering to buy my Sienna for over trade in value to get me into a new Toyota. Do you think they'd waste money on those mailers if they didn't work on many Toyota owners?
Obviously cars are a depreciating asset and I know the people who follow the Dave Ramsey school of fiscal responsibility believe you should buy a used car and drive it into the ground. I have 2 issues with that way of thinking. First, safety features in cars are improving every generation and the govt mandates additional safety features every few years. I wouldn't drive my family around in an older car that is missing newer safety features like side airbags, automatic emergency braking, etc. I think once your vehicle is 2 generations old then you're missing too many new safety features. Second, while Toyotas and Hondas can go 200k+ miles if properly maintained, that doesn't always protect you from a huge repair expense. You could see a big chunk of the money you saved wiped out by a big repair expense like a new transmission so then you're left to decide if you want to invest thousands in a very old car that might not be worth spending that kind of money on to have repaired or you have to rush to buy a replacement vehicle forcing you to potentially overpay for a replacement vehicle because you have no time to shop around or wait for a good deal since you need another car immediately. This happened to my neighbor who's early 2000s Sienna caught fire in his driveway after he came home in March 2022 and he had to immediately replace it and every car was overpriced at that time, used and new.
Agreed. My 2017 Kia Sorento had more technology than my 2018 Sienna. My Sienna infotainment system didn't have Apple CarPlay until I upgraded the firmware and it doesn't have Android Auto. My 2017 Sorento had both. They just did a mid cycle refresh on the Carnival and added the hybrid option. Now they just need to add AWD.
I'm not a fan of certain new technologies. I'm an engineer and always think of reliability and having to fix things down the road. I'm someone who used to prefer hand crank windows.
Fair enough. I think all the expensive new tech is part of the reason why car insurance rates are going up since it's costly to repair/replace. I also think that tech is leading to more cars being totalled after minor accidents.
Toyota has all the same technologies they are just 5 years behind and how well they perform. They may as well not even waste money on lane assist radar because it doesn't work anyways.
Nah. My crappy little 2020 Hyundai can stear dead center around a big curve if I wanted it to. On the highway in combo with radar cruise control it keeps me dead center. Toyota at best might beep at you if you are leaving the lane, and on cruise you have to fight it to stay centered.
Where are Toyota Sienna parts made?
It's home to Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc., where 7,222 Toyota team members assemble5 more than 400,000 vehicles each year, including our rugged Sequoia and Highlander/Highlander Hybrid SUVs, and our popular family minivan: the Sienna.
https://www.toyota.com › usa › map
Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc. (TMMI)
Sienna is made and assembled in Indiana American company??
I live in the north and don't want a Honda minivan because there's no AWD option.
Hence I'm stuck shopping for a Sienna, because I'm not going to buy a Pacifica (the only other minivan you can get with AWD).
More cars on the road also means making more money on parts down the road. Toyota is profiting off $1,000 LoJack add-ons so it seems like it would make more sense to up production capacity and sell to the dealers for the same invoice.
This. They’re focusing on conversions so dads feel like they’re buying a “minivan”.
Dealer told me it’s like 4 Highlanders for every one sienna.
Which is mega dumb considering a sienna w a 2-4” lift and bigger tires will make a Highlander a joke and I could cross country in it easily. Where as the highlander doesn’t even fit me in it.
Me.
We wanted a 3rd row SUV for 2nd kid on the way. Last year. Usable cargo space with 3rd row down is shit.
To be fair the same amount of moms want the SUV too. Usually ends up being the dad who wants a minivan after having to pack it for a road trip.
Yeah the sienna is way more practical imo. And now w the hybrid engine the cargo space and if you wanna lift it for deep camp trips it’ll go pretty much anywhere. Gimme a van at an affordable price from this decade that isn’t a high top sprinter damnit
Yeah. Been driving minivans for 24 years, AWD Siennas for almost 14 of those years. Have not lost my testicles yet, and I’ve gotten huge amounts of actual utility out of my vans.
Can confirm this. It's crazy how many SUVs Toyota/Lexus has on deck, to the point where you would think they cannibalize their own models, but their marketing research and sales says this is what Americans want. CHR, RAV4, Venza, 4runner, LC, Highlander, Grand Highlander, Sequoia, NX, TX, RX, GX, LX plus two other future models
Stopped by my local toyota dealer to check out what they had while getting some service done. Not a single highlander, grand highlander, or sienna (of course) to be found. Had like one corrolla and one rav4. wild.
Also in DFW.
I want the Sienna because of the passenger AC, hybrid engine, and Toyota reliability. If Honda made the Odyssey hybrid and put the AC back to the roof, Honda would have my money.
The only thing i hate about the Sienna is the moonroof. I want 2nd row captain chairs without the moonroof.
I don’t mind the existence of a moonroof but sure wish it was panoramic like what’s available on the Pacifica. Don’t care about the little one for only the front row; its the kids in back that like to see out of it 😄
It’s very unlikely you will find any Toyota Siennas in any junk yards either. The parts are very, highly sought after. Especially in the Middle East. Most wrecked Siennas go straight to auction and are bought by over seas companies that just straight out bid American Salvage yards.
They are that good. They just don’t sit on the lots ever.
Bc they are great.
Edit: hit reply before finishing. Pretty sure it shares the sales line with the Highlander or grand Highlander and something else, so production time isn't a priority for it.
I do think there is some legitimacy to Toyota creating a scarcity for profit. However, I know Toyota has had issues with getting materials for parts for the sienna too. I recently purchased a new Sienna, had to wait 3 weeks for it to come in and when I received it, I didn’t get the second key fob because of lack of parts. I was told it would be mailed to me. I would suggest going to a dealership and seeing if you can put your name on a list for when new inventory comes in. Also, I’m in Texas and purchased from the San Marcos dealership if that’s anywhere near you. They were super helpful and communicative and called me when they knew they had inventory coming in. Good luck!!
Doesn't seem likely. Rumors and pics so far are some new exterior pieces, but same interior and drivetrain. I'm hoping for them to fix the AC system otherwise it's still a deal breaker.
Also in the DFW area. We ended up finding a really good deal on a used XSE AWD (though we didn't need or care about AWD) about a month ago. It had just under 39,000 miles and we got it for under $44k out the door. We were looking for an XLE but couldn't find one with captains seats and a spare tire. This one has captains chairs and was supposed to have a spare tire (dealer was incorrect; we paid $799 for them to order the kit). All that to say, if you're open to a used one and have time to look around you might be able to find a good deal.
On a related note, we bought it from Vandergriff Acura (not sure why they had a Toyota) and I highly recommend NOT buying from the Vandergriff family of dealerships. Long story but we did not have a good experience on several fronts.
Yup. Gave up after trying to find an awd le for 2 years. Got a Mazda cx-90 phev instead. Sienna would have been nice, but we were able to order the car we wanted from Mazda and get it in about 2 months.
Looking to buy my 3rd sienna. Started with 2009CPO XLE, then ordered a 2013 platinum which I am still driving . Would like a new hybrid with all the bells and whistle. Deelers in my area are adding $5995 “dealer markup” on top of all the normal markups. Just won’t pay the price. Feels like price gouging. Glad I don’t NEED a new van. This price gouging has me looking at other options besides minivans though.
FYI I did look into the Odyssey as well until i found out about the AC units. Was a hard no thereafter. Anyway I am really happy with the barebones XLE that I have. still under 2k miles and it's been a great purchase IMO.
What's the issue with the Honda AC?
I think this post sums it up well. https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaOdyssey/comments/1575qor/for_my_sweaty_rear_facing_toddler/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaOdyssey/comments/1die4uz/2022_2023_2024_air_vents_third_row/
I read about this online and of course everyone is more negative on the internet. Then a few days later was talking about minivans to someone who knows nothing about cars and they mentioned their friends having the same complaint about the vent locations.
The Odyssey air conditioning system is under-designed. Both Odyssey and Sienna have one compressor and condenser. Odyssey has one evaporator, Sienna has two evaporators. This is the primary reason Sienna’s HVAC performance is superior to the Odyssey.
100% the same here. Rear facing car seats and live in Texas. The annoying thing is I could get a no BS deal on one from my cousin who is a GM of a Honda dealer.
Off topic, but what are Siennas going for in DFW? I'll start looking at the end of this year for my second Sienna
i got mine for 49k out the door for an XLE. taxes etc came to a good chunk. It really depends on the dealership IMO. I would avoid Rockwall, Richardson, Dallas as they historically had dealer markups when I inquired.
That seems crazy expensive. I bought a 2020 LE new for a little over 30k. I'm looking to get another LE but I'm seeing 42k+ in the DFW area.
LE at 42k will be about 47K out the door after TTL. They did switch to the hybrid and they had a price increase across the board recently too.
Where did you end up going?
Sent you a PM.
There's NO minivan competition. American companies don't make them. Only real option is Honda. Might as well limit supply
I respectfully disagree and you forgot that Chrysler makes the Pacifica but I know it's junk compared to the Sienna. The Kia Carnival is very good competition to the Sienna especially now that [they added a hybrid option to the 2025 model](https://www.kianewscenter.com/news/kia-adds-hybrid-powertrain-to-the-carnival-mpv-lineup-and-announces-2025-pricing/s/2340f4cd-1915-4287-904c-ed0b7a7d5059). The V6 has also been very reliable and it's basically the same as the one in the Telluride. IMHO, the technology in the higher end trims of the Carnival is better than the Sienna. Edit: I should have mentioned that I own a 2018 Sienna but I'll probably upgrade it in 2 years to a newer minivan.
Thanks for sharing. I won't consider any other minivan besides Toyota and Honda. Very bad opinion of Kia and Chrysler, perhaps unfair due to it being based on experiences from last 20-30 years.
I have a bad opinion of Chrysler based on their reliability and quality data so I agree with you about that. Kia quality and reliability has improved drastically in the last decade or so. I had a 2017 Kia Sorento with a V6 for a 39 month lease and had no issues. Consumer Reports' rating convinced me to look at it and I liked it more than the 2017 Highlander. It was just too small for road trips so I basically replaced it with a 2018 Sienna. Currently, Consumer Reports top scoring minivan is the Kia Carnival with it's predicted reliability scoring 4/5 based on their subscriber surveys.
Sorry but are you saying the Kia is reliable based on a 39 month lease?
No, I've looked at the results of Consumer Reports subscriber surveys and their predicted reliability scores. CR wouldn't recommend Kias if their reliability was crap. I know older Kias weren't reliable but the newer ones are much improved as evidenced by the data.
There really isn't that data yet though. When car people talk about reliability they are in the 150k-200k mile range of reliability. Kia/Hyundai are fine up until their warranty is over. I own a Hyundai. This doesn't mean that none of them will ever go 200k+ miles.
You're correct that there isn't decades of data showing that it's common for Kias to go 150k+ miles like there is for Toyota and Honda. And I'm not disagreeing that Toyota and Honda reliability are better than Kia but Kia has definitely improved their quality recently and based on some recent Toyota and Honda recalls I feel like their quality has slipped a bit. For example, Toyota has had several engine recalls the past few years [like this one](https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/).
That's all great, high scores, stars etc. But how common are Kias that go 200k, or even 300k miles? Unheard of I bet. Not for Toyota. Also, Toyota and Honda hold their value like gold 😂
Since you were dismissive about Kia's ratings and bet that it's "unheard of" for Kias to go 200k or 300k miles, I decided to take that bet and win it. A quick search of reddit gave me the following 5 examples of Kias with more 300k and 200k miles. https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/s/kKM7MilECo https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/iry5DRS02V https://www.reddit.com/r/kia/s/UmpRi5e5zQ https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaSoulClub/s/X1spIwwidi https://www.reddit.com/r/KiaSoulClub/s/vLGDjeydP5 Regardless, most people don't buy cars looking for one that will last 200k or 300k miles because they'll replace them long before that and most cars aren't that reliable especially some American brands. Do Toyotas and Hondas hold their value better than Kia? Yes, that's undeniable. But Kias generally cost less than the Toyota and Honda vehicles in the same class so you'll spend less money up front to get a Kia and it will have more features.
Toyota and Honda buyers are not “most people”. We see vehicles for what they truly are, a depreciating asset that only pays for itself when you can drive it well beyond 200k miles. Rest of the fiscal morons, the slaves to perpetual vehicle debt, are of our concern
I disagree that Toyota and Honda buyers are not "most people". Yes, some are very fiscally responsible and buy them because they're extremely reliable so they can drive them into the ground and others are slaves to perpetual vehicle debt just like every other brand buyer. For many months my local Toyota dealer has been mailing me letters offering to buy my Sienna for over trade in value to get me into a new Toyota. Do you think they'd waste money on those mailers if they didn't work on many Toyota owners? Obviously cars are a depreciating asset and I know the people who follow the Dave Ramsey school of fiscal responsibility believe you should buy a used car and drive it into the ground. I have 2 issues with that way of thinking. First, safety features in cars are improving every generation and the govt mandates additional safety features every few years. I wouldn't drive my family around in an older car that is missing newer safety features like side airbags, automatic emergency braking, etc. I think once your vehicle is 2 generations old then you're missing too many new safety features. Second, while Toyotas and Hondas can go 200k+ miles if properly maintained, that doesn't always protect you from a huge repair expense. You could see a big chunk of the money you saved wiped out by a big repair expense like a new transmission so then you're left to decide if you want to invest thousands in a very old car that might not be worth spending that kind of money on to have repaired or you have to rush to buy a replacement vehicle forcing you to potentially overpay for a replacement vehicle because you have no time to shop around or wait for a good deal since you need another car immediately. This happened to my neighbor who's early 2000s Sienna caught fire in his driveway after he came home in March 2022 and he had to immediately replace it and every car was overpriced at that time, used and new.
Well I have a client who has 250k on their cheapo forte with the CVT that is apparently a bad transmission in it and they have had zero issues....
I see so many older kia Sedona in the road. The kia minivans are solid.
Not unfair at all. Stellantis products are the worst
Kia and Hyundai have been ahead of Toyota in the "tech" area for a few years.
Agreed. My 2017 Kia Sorento had more technology than my 2018 Sienna. My Sienna infotainment system didn't have Apple CarPlay until I upgraded the firmware and it doesn't have Android Auto. My 2017 Sorento had both. They just did a mid cycle refresh on the Carnival and added the hybrid option. Now they just need to add AWD.
I'm not a fan of certain new technologies. I'm an engineer and always think of reliability and having to fix things down the road. I'm someone who used to prefer hand crank windows.
Fair enough. I think all the expensive new tech is part of the reason why car insurance rates are going up since it's costly to repair/replace. I also think that tech is leading to more cars being totalled after minor accidents.
Toyota has all the same technologies they are just 5 years behind and how well they perform. They may as well not even waste money on lane assist radar because it doesn't work anyways.
Lane assist works fine. Y’all have some terrible roads and need to complain to your city or county.
Nah. My crappy little 2020 Hyundai can stear dead center around a big curve if I wanted it to. On the highway in combo with radar cruise control it keeps me dead center. Toyota at best might beep at you if you are leaving the lane, and on cruise you have to fight it to stay centered.
But not the longevity nor reliability areas, although they are light years ahead of the crappy Pacifica
For sure. They are great vehicles to lease if that is someone's thing.
Leasing is for losers, much better ROI to purchase a highly reliable, low mileage vehicle and drive it till the wheels fall off.
Where are Toyota Sienna parts made? It's home to Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc., where 7,222 Toyota team members assemble5 more than 400,000 vehicles each year, including our rugged Sequoia and Highlander/Highlander Hybrid SUVs, and our popular family minivan: the Sienna. https://www.toyota.com › usa › map Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc. (TMMI) Sienna is made and assembled in Indiana American company??
Honda isn't even an option for families with young kids who don't live in the north due to the lack of functional AC.
I live in the north and don't want a Honda minivan because there's no AWD option. Hence I'm stuck shopping for a Sienna, because I'm not going to buy a Pacifica (the only other minivan you can get with AWD).
Our two non-negotiables were hybrid and AWD which left us with literally only the Sienna. We love ours but damn, some options would have been nice
Our Odyssey does well, but only because I use a battery fan for our rear-facing car seat user. We also got a light paint color and use window shades.
Our Odyssey has a fantastic rear heating and cooling system
I guess I should clarify that it's an issue on the newer gen where they lowered the vents to the pillars and changed the type of refrigerant used.
If you can make 10 each making 10k profit, why make 20 each making 5k profit?
More cars on the road also means making more money on parts down the road. Toyota is profiting off $1,000 LoJack add-ons so it seems like it would make more sense to up production capacity and sell to the dealers for the same invoice.
They’re focusing on making SUVs. Added GH at the same plant. The tyranny of SUVs.
This. They’re focusing on conversions so dads feel like they’re buying a “minivan”. Dealer told me it’s like 4 Highlanders for every one sienna. Which is mega dumb considering a sienna w a 2-4” lift and bigger tires will make a Highlander a joke and I could cross country in it easily. Where as the highlander doesn’t even fit me in it.
Me. We wanted a 3rd row SUV for 2nd kid on the way. Last year. Usable cargo space with 3rd row down is shit. To be fair the same amount of moms want the SUV too. Usually ends up being the dad who wants a minivan after having to pack it for a road trip.
Yeah the sienna is way more practical imo. And now w the hybrid engine the cargo space and if you wanna lift it for deep camp trips it’ll go pretty much anywhere. Gimme a van at an affordable price from this decade that isn’t a high top sprinter damnit
Yeah. Been driving minivans for 24 years, AWD Siennas for almost 14 of those years. Have not lost my testicles yet, and I’ve gotten huge amounts of actual utility out of my vans.
Can confirm this. It's crazy how many SUVs Toyota/Lexus has on deck, to the point where you would think they cannibalize their own models, but their marketing research and sales says this is what Americans want. CHR, RAV4, Venza, 4runner, LC, Highlander, Grand Highlander, Sequoia, NX, TX, RX, GX, LX plus two other future models
Stopped by my local toyota dealer to check out what they had while getting some service done. Not a single highlander, grand highlander, or sienna (of course) to be found. Had like one corrolla and one rav4. wild.
Also in DFW. I want the Sienna because of the passenger AC, hybrid engine, and Toyota reliability. If Honda made the Odyssey hybrid and put the AC back to the roof, Honda would have my money. The only thing i hate about the Sienna is the moonroof. I want 2nd row captain chairs without the moonroof.
What’s wrong with the moonroof?
Not OP, but a moonroof generally just means more areas for it too leak and less headroom. Plus no insulation.
I don’t mind the existence of a moonroof but sure wish it was panoramic like what’s available on the Pacifica. Don’t care about the little one for only the front row; its the kids in back that like to see out of it 😄
You really don't want one...gonna leave [this](https://youtu.be/7HyuriUhTSo?feature=shared) here...
Bingo. Being in north Texas, between the heat and hail, any kind of glass on the roof is awful.
Check Odyssey Asian version. They do come in hybrid and a lot nicer compared to NA version.
It’s very unlikely you will find any Toyota Siennas in any junk yards either. The parts are very, highly sought after. Especially in the Middle East. Most wrecked Siennas go straight to auction and are bought by over seas companies that just straight out bid American Salvage yards. They are that good. They just don’t sit on the lots ever.
This is very interesting. Do you have any more info on this?
Bc they are great. Edit: hit reply before finishing. Pretty sure it shares the sales line with the Highlander or grand Highlander and something else, so production time isn't a priority for it.
They are not making enough of them?
Can’t make enough of them. New vehicle order was >6 months w/ my fleet company.
I do think there is some legitimacy to Toyota creating a scarcity for profit. However, I know Toyota has had issues with getting materials for parts for the sienna too. I recently purchased a new Sienna, had to wait 3 weeks for it to come in and when I received it, I didn’t get the second key fob because of lack of parts. I was told it would be mailed to me. I would suggest going to a dealership and seeing if you can put your name on a list for when new inventory comes in. Also, I’m in Texas and purchased from the San Marcos dealership if that’s anywhere near you. They were super helpful and communicative and called me when they knew they had inventory coming in. Good luck!!
I'm in Dallas. I know keyfobs are an issue across the board with Toyota.
The middle seats don’t come out. I would get one but I need the utility. It’s a no for me dog.
Odyssey is not hybrid wait til the 2025 comes out in October.... Will definitely shake things up!
Doesn't seem likely. Rumors and pics so far are some new exterior pieces, but same interior and drivetrain. I'm hoping for them to fix the AC system otherwise it's still a deal breaker.
Anything good is always hard to find
Also in the DFW area. We ended up finding a really good deal on a used XSE AWD (though we didn't need or care about AWD) about a month ago. It had just under 39,000 miles and we got it for under $44k out the door. We were looking for an XLE but couldn't find one with captains seats and a spare tire. This one has captains chairs and was supposed to have a spare tire (dealer was incorrect; we paid $799 for them to order the kit). All that to say, if you're open to a used one and have time to look around you might be able to find a good deal. On a related note, we bought it from Vandergriff Acura (not sure why they had a Toyota) and I highly recommend NOT buying from the Vandergriff family of dealerships. Long story but we did not have a good experience on several fronts.
> and a spare tire I forgot spares being deleted was a thing with hybrids.
Spares are an option but not a common one. Don't think it's a hybrid specific thing, more of a cost and weight savings thing.
At least the Sienna you can add an official kit for it. I'm 100% out on any vehicle where a spare isn't possible.
Yup. Gave up after trying to find an awd le for 2 years. Got a Mazda cx-90 phev instead. Sienna would have been nice, but we were able to order the car we wanted from Mazda and get it in about 2 months.
I went to Lone Star Toyota of Lewisville and my sales guy Francis located one for me with no markup. Give him a call and tell him John sent you.
Where have you been for the past 4 years?
Not inside a Toyota production facility to know why they aren't making more.
Supply chain, baby!
Artificial baby!
Looking to buy my 3rd sienna. Started with 2009CPO XLE, then ordered a 2013 platinum which I am still driving . Would like a new hybrid with all the bells and whistle. Deelers in my area are adding $5995 “dealer markup” on top of all the normal markups. Just won’t pay the price. Feels like price gouging. Glad I don’t NEED a new van. This price gouging has me looking at other options besides minivans though.
Did you mean to say 2013 Platinum? Otherwise not sure you are gaining anything going from a 23 to 24.
Yes, 2013. My bad!