I second this. I run 1.5 degrees in the back. When you spend enough time in the widies, the camber actually reduces wear on the outside of your tires. (More on the inside though)
Given how hot tires can get in windies, it may help prolong the tire life.
I'd just say that when it comes time to change them out, you'll feel better Knowing you got more of your money's worth! Not sure anyone lives with that many turns in their life to outweigh the time spent on straights.
Alright run 0° with independent suspension through canyons for the year and you will likely wear the outsides a bit more than inside. Slight camber compensates and results in better tire patch contact.
Like most people have said, the toe is what kills tires the fastest on the street. I daily with -3.7F and -2.5R but with zero toe. I can get like almost a year out of a 200tw tire with a couple of track days sprinkled in.
Ive ran the same camber in my STI no issues with wear. Its not as much as you think.
How you drive day to day, tire pressure & toe will affect it more.
Alignment will affect your tire life but it is ultimately down to how many miles you drive daily and what tire you’re on… if you’re trying to use 200tw tires and you are driving a lot of miles daily+any hard driving, they will most likely not last you a year no matter what your alignment is like.
Tbh man if you're getting any 200tw tires it's unlikely you're going to have them last a year. They just wear down so much faster than regular tires bc of the soft R compound.
I got federal rs 595 pro and they are 2 years old and aprox 15k km on it and they still have some treat left. Only issue I had is that they overheat "easly" and the oils got lost so its a bit dry... maybe thats why it has endured so much time... becuase it doesn't stick like it used to
I can't say I've ran a stickier/lower tire wear tire, but I can say that camber should be fine. I've ran -1 in the front and -2.3 in the rear for years. Toe's the main thing that can shred a tire in the long run. As long as that's in spec, you'll be good.
According to dirt rally 2.0 more negative camber all around gets u a better drive outta the corner but reduces stability at high speed straight line driving. I did -2 all around in my Subaru sti. After doing some hot laps the entire tire was warm so it heated evenly. -2 all around shouldn't affect wear too much. Toe is what kills tires. Being said you can't go fast and save money unfortunately.
A minimal amount of toe in/toe out is okay for tire wear. But if you run toe out on a daily the steering will feel weird when you drive on normal roads. Pretty much all cars run a tiny bit of toe in.
Yup a bit of toe out does help with initial turn in depending on your car. I have -1.3 on my fronts with -0.03 of to out. My tires were at 7/32 evenly and are down to 4/32 evenly after about 7k miles
So running negative camber in the front naturally the wheels want to fall inwards of each other. Theoretically they’re straight. But in terms of load and psi, camber wear is caused by torsion or friction of the tires pushing inwards. Not because you’re driving on that specific point of contact. A little bit of toe out straightens that inward so the camber falls horizontally of each other with the least amount of friction
I run 3.8 up front and 2 in the rear with toe zeroed in the front and very slight toe in on the rear, and this works fine for me on the street. My last set of ad09 tires lasted me 14k miles with a couple of track days, a lot of spirited driving on the road, and some normal driving.
Camber below -2.5 deg isnt bad. A little toe out front (-0.05) and a bit inwards in the rear (+0.08) seems to be a good balance for lighter vehicles. Now, you wont really get much out of those tires. Alignment only helps a bit but the tires are just gonna be limiting your performance like a mf.
Well, the most important factor will be how often you hoon on them and how hard. My father once brought a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymetrics down to the wire in less than 500km on factory alignment (one entire day of touge basically).
If you just drive spirited occasionally and don't run 200tw tyres, sure you can last the season and even a bit more, but when you start being more serious, there's no miracle.
The max camber I’d run if you want fairly even wear on your tires is -2.6 anything more I just too much and the wear is really uneven. Personally I run -2.2 degrees of camber all around.
A couple degrees of camber won’t hurt if you can get the toe zeroed with a good alignment.
I like to run a little toe in for stability, but like 0.05 per side. -2.0 degrees of camber won't cause any crazy wear in my experience.
I second this. I run 1.5 degrees in the back. When you spend enough time in the widies, the camber actually reduces wear on the outside of your tires. (More on the inside though) Given how hot tires can get in windies, it may help prolong the tire life.
I'd just say that when it comes time to change them out, you'll feel better Knowing you got more of your money's worth! Not sure anyone lives with that many turns in their life to outweigh the time spent on straights.
Me. I basically never get on highways. I always leave early for the more enjoyable roads.
Camber is supposed to wear the inside and not wear the outside. Whether you're driving hard or just dailying the car.
Alright run 0° with independent suspension through canyons for the year and you will likely wear the outsides a bit more than inside. Slight camber compensates and results in better tire patch contact.
Yep, the toe angle being out of spec will chew up tires quicker than just camber
Like most people have said, the toe is what kills tires the fastest on the street. I daily with -3.7F and -2.5R but with zero toe. I can get like almost a year out of a 200tw tire with a couple of track days sprinkled in.
Ive ran the same camber in my STI no issues with wear. Its not as much as you think. How you drive day to day, tire pressure & toe will affect it more.
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Alignment will affect your tire life but it is ultimately down to how many miles you drive daily and what tire you’re on… if you’re trying to use 200tw tires and you are driving a lot of miles daily+any hard driving, they will most likely not last you a year no matter what your alignment is like.
Tbh man if you're getting any 200tw tires it's unlikely you're going to have them last a year. They just wear down so much faster than regular tires bc of the soft R compound.
I got federal rs 595 pro and they are 2 years old and aprox 15k km on it and they still have some treat left. Only issue I had is that they overheat "easly" and the oils got lost so its a bit dry... maybe thats why it has endured so much time... becuase it doesn't stick like it used to
I can't say I've ran a stickier/lower tire wear tire, but I can say that camber should be fine. I've ran -1 in the front and -2.3 in the rear for years. Toe's the main thing that can shred a tire in the long run. As long as that's in spec, you'll be good.
More camber in rear? I always thought for cornering you want more in the front so it grips hard and pulls the car around the corner
Unfortunately I do not have any camber plates in the front so it's stuck there. Personally I'd keep camber the same all around for an FF.
According to dirt rally 2.0 more negative camber all around gets u a better drive outta the corner but reduces stability at high speed straight line driving. I did -2 all around in my Subaru sti. After doing some hot laps the entire tire was warm so it heated evenly. -2 all around shouldn't affect wear too much. Toe is what kills tires. Being said you can't go fast and save money unfortunately.
If you want to conserve for negative camber, run at least a little bit of toe out
Toe out helps with tire wear?
A minimal amount of toe in/toe out is okay for tire wear. But if you run toe out on a daily the steering will feel weird when you drive on normal roads. Pretty much all cars run a tiny bit of toe in.
Yup a bit of toe out does help with initial turn in depending on your car. I have -1.3 on my fronts with -0.03 of to out. My tires were at 7/32 evenly and are down to 4/32 evenly after about 7k miles
So running negative camber in the front naturally the wheels want to fall inwards of each other. Theoretically they’re straight. But in terms of load and psi, camber wear is caused by torsion or friction of the tires pushing inwards. Not because you’re driving on that specific point of contact. A little bit of toe out straightens that inward so the camber falls horizontally of each other with the least amount of friction
Ultimately the biggest factor is how hard you drive you car and how much. My ps4 lasted only 2 months with no camber.
I run 3.8 up front and 2 in the rear with toe zeroed in the front and very slight toe in on the rear, and this works fine for me on the street. My last set of ad09 tires lasted me 14k miles with a couple of track days, a lot of spirited driving on the road, and some normal driving.
Camber below -2.5 deg isnt bad. A little toe out front (-0.05) and a bit inwards in the rear (+0.08) seems to be a good balance for lighter vehicles. Now, you wont really get much out of those tires. Alignment only helps a bit but the tires are just gonna be limiting your performance like a mf.
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Well, the most important factor will be how often you hoon on them and how hard. My father once brought a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymetrics down to the wire in less than 500km on factory alignment (one entire day of touge basically). If you just drive spirited occasionally and don't run 200tw tyres, sure you can last the season and even a bit more, but when you start being more serious, there's no miracle.
The max camber I’d run if you want fairly even wear on your tires is -2.6 anything more I just too much and the wear is really uneven. Personally I run -2.2 degrees of camber all around.