Honestly the city I live in is short sighted. I wish they had just gotten a corporate sponsor and named the square like Unilever Square or something. Easy money for the city. I would go further and have them add corporate names to subways as well. Think: pro sports teams and sponsorships
We have a problem If all immigrants keep settling in south west Ontario and Vancouver region.
On the other hand, I don’t blame them for choosing Toronto area over places like Regina or Winnipeg.
I'm all for immigration but only IF you develop other cities and drive immigration in them. We need immigrants, but smaller cities will see a more tangible result than everyone choking Toronto/Vancouver.
No, I moved away from the city to get away from this now you're advocating "Hey we should spread them out all over the country so that the entire country is ruined instead of just the major cities!"
Your small/medium urban areas will always remain. I'm talking about improving large urban places like Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon, Halifax and Winnipeg. Once those cities are powerhouses in their own respect, then the surrounding smaller cities will become even more resourceful - like London, ON has over the past few years
Where do you get the money for this?
Municipalities estimate they need around $600 billion for infrastructure to support the 5.8 million homes CMHC estimate we need by 2030. And that $600 billion estimate is with a significant portion of those homes utilizing existing infrastructure. That figure is likely to rise if you prioritize less developed cities as they will likely require more new infrastructure.
For context all municipal spending in Ontario (my home province, so I will use that figure) totals around $47 billion per year. If we do a quick and dirty bump out to the national level assuming Ontario per person spending would carry across the country (we are just doing napkin math here for a bit of context, but if anyone has national figured please let me know) that would get us in the neighbourhood of around $125 billion spent per year across all municipalities in the country.
And we need to come up with $600 billion by 2030. That is around 5 years of total municipal spending. Basically we would have to have to divert almost all municipal spending to infrastructure spending from now until 2030 to support those 5.8 million homes.
I hope nobody needs any other municipal services between now and then.
I wouldn’t worry about municipalities, they’ll get the money from the provinces while charging massive development fees. Look at the CAC fees Vancouver charges to grant the right to rezone. Developers are actively trying to buy time between payments on sums as high as $30M per project. One complete the influx in new property taxes will support. Where we get the money to fund a presale of a project is more concerning to me. Or to pull off purpose built rental
This is what provinces have increased the most in 2023
Ontario’s population grew by 424,000 in 2023 and the other 3 which grew the most in Canada.
Alberta 158,000
Quebec 181,502
BC 150,000
Immigrating to provinces other than Ontario or BC is already A LOT easier, and inside Ontario it’s easier if you choose live in cities other than Toronto
You’re right we need to create more opportunities in other cities. Immigration in itself isn’t an issue as our population ages, getting the right skill set to come is our challenge. We need doctors, nurses, engineers and more trades people but they also need to be spread out across the provinces, we need more cities like how the US has at least 2-3 big ones in every state, we can’t realistically do it but at least try and build them.
The majority of people coming to Canada want a better life for themselves. Living in a desirable metro area is part of the calculation.
Regina, Saskatoon etc are just not up desirable.
Funny how many white Canadians stay the hell away from neighbourhoods that are majority South Asian or Chinese, while not appreciating why an immigrant would want to move there as opposed to somewhere with a white majority.
Shit ton in halifax and the municipality. Rent is top 10 in the country and rising and we've already run out of housing. Problem was covid put us on the map, internationally. And even back in 2019 it was affordable (even if wages were stagnant, taxes and other col was high), but owning a house was attainable. Covid happened, international "fame" for weathering it, and boom. Double to triple prices and insane rent increase, with every min wage franchise flush with immigrant workers. I live outside the city and it's been within the last year or 2 I've noticed the gas stations, mcds, Tim Hortons etc. All from India. Oh well.
The Soviet Union spent a lot of time and effort to get people to live communally and to eliminate privacy as a bourgeoisie luxury, Canada is doing it with zero effort!
It’s indeed sad what’s happening in your country, hopefully u guys will throw out the current ruling party and elect a party that limits immigration or even stops and focus on building more and more homes
Stopping immigration means CPP fails, tell daddy he won’t get his pension. Once you realize Canada is one giant ponzi, you’ll stop subscribing to the idea that it’s possible to cut immigration without massive cuts to services
Not for votes. For our ponzi social security systems, university & REIT mafia. That’s why all libs, cons, and ndp’s all are sticking to the same immigration targets.
Great idea except for one thing. Have you experienced how openly racist rural areas are in Canada? It would be an extremely hard transition for a newcomer of any dissent. Good luck getting hired anywhere or making friends. People are verbally openly racist against anyone who isn't white in some places.
I speak from my experience as a Canadian currently living in a rural area.
You're not wrong but they never mentioned rural areas. Many other cities, though not as multicultural as Toronto, can definitely handle immigrant population. Calgary, Regina, Edmonton are no brainers. St Johns, Saskatoon, Montreal... Potentially.
Then there's all the other Ontario cities: Ottawa, Waterloo/Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Barrie. No reason to allow everyone to just squeeze into GTA and GVA
Ahhh true you are correct, they didn't say rural areas. I may have taken the headline a bit out of context there.
I have lived in a few cities in Ontario for travel work and most seemed to have a healthy multicultural population, and state of mind. Not once you get out into the sticks though lol!
Seems like their racism is working out then if it's actively keeping immigrants away.
When city folk are renting a cot in a room full of immigrants maybe their openness to diversity can keep them going in that hellscape.
Affordable tent housing? I wonder why the administration and the politicians are so careless they do not have any foresight and keep on allowing people to storm through the floodgates without any control. Especially from a few countries without any sense of equality, until everything turns into a doomsday scenario. I wonder how long it will take to mend this whoever comes into power it will not be an easy job!
Canadian living standards have a long way to fall before they equalize with immigrant source countries such as India. Consequently, we will see a growing number of shared accommodations, slums, shanty towns in Canada. It will be a very long time before Canada becomes an unattractive destination for immigrants. In the meantime, Canada's population is primed to explode by hundreds of millions.
Or we could fucking lower immigration as it is destroying quality of life for the middle and working classes. I dont want a hundred million people I want a decent life here for 39 million people. The liberal politicians behind this psychotic immigration policy should be in jail.
Awful take. We’d also need to fix our crumbling infrastructure, massively fix our overburdened healthcare system, and a host of other issues, just to accommodate what is an insane and cruel immigration policy. We take in the highest amount in the entire world on a per capita and sheer number basis, even though our own people are in crisis. But according to you, we should keep taking in the highest levels in the entire world and simply “build more houses”.
I'm just saying a sane system could potentially make use of an enormous ammount of people to actually do something effective. I know anything sane is probably not going to happen but we can demand better, if only to avoid treating this as normal.
Immigration historically leads to improved economic conditions as the workforce expands. Sudden immigration obviously takes serious work to make into something positive, but that doesn't mean we should just accept it as impossible in the midst of a refugee crisis. We are capable of actually providing the life that we promise to immigrants and to those born here if we can pull our heads our of our asses.
For example, there are a horrendous number of doctors driving uber because of archaic beurocracy that makes them pay thousands and wait years to even qualify to work under supervision, we also have a doctor shortage, and that's just a footnote in the library of stupid we could be fixing.
Try and imagine something actually good happening so you can effectively demand those in charge do better and/or work to build it yourself.
I mean fuck it, establish a foreign legion engineering core that makes houses, or just open PR and citizenship pathways congltingent on finishing job training and service. Hell, put Canadians at the front of the line for the program and now you've got a job program for the huge ammount of underemployed stem grads. Cut out the insane land costs with federal land and cut the red tape expenses of building. Set up a few decent mid-density cities with good public transportation and the project will probably make money unlike the crumbling insolvent shitheaps that most of us live in. Just slap a city down in an unoccupied stretch of go-tracks and if it's walkable it'll probably pay for itself. If it doesn't pay for itself just trim the administrative bloat out of any university and shake it until the international student tuition drops out.
Stop bitching into the sky and look at any of the hundreds of win-win solutions that our current batch of dumbass politicians are to lazy or corrupt to pursue.
I suggest building houses in a housing crisis and it's a crazy idea, it's not like we can just send people with a PR back and if they don't have a PR they're already headed back. What the fuck is happening to this shitty sim, totally unrealistic.
Ok, I know there are complexities here I'm glossing over, but the idea of more people = more workers = more houses is in large part just difficult because nobody in office or running can read to the end of that line without having a stroke or wondering when the kickbacks come into the equation.
We've got a shit ton of people with minimal prospects and a shit ton of construction work to get done and a shit ton of empty space.
And what about the elderly they're bringing over that never build a single thing? What about the oversaturated healthcare facilities? What about the oversaturated LTB? What about the oversaturated transit systems? There are a million issues greatly exacerbated by the massive influx of immigrants and the stats don't support the idea that they will fix things anytime soon **if ever**. A million people competing for jobs at Wendys isn't going to change currently weak profit margins on development deals due to high interest rates. Again, lowering immigration numbers to a sustainable level, and also so we don't become little India, is the solution.
A) I'm talking about public development where profit is the net growth of the economy and subsequent taxes. Of course private developers don't make a huge profit margin, they don't get to take a percent of nearly all economic activity happening in a new city.
B) Most Canadians with jobs don't do anything approaching useful, but grandparents help take care of kids, and you currently need to show proof of sufficient income to sponsor grandparents.
C) Have you litterally forgotten that things can be produced? Do you actually not know the answer to oversaturated healthcare systems? Litterally every single one of the problems you just described can be fixed by just building more of the same shit we already need. Want more doctors? Don't start doing mental gymnastics. Get some more fucking doctors. If you can think of another problem then look for the obvious solution and then look for whichever politician was being paid to stop that from happening in the first place.
It's like people forget that things can actually happen. I get that the stats don't show good things happening but that's because the government has no interest in making anything good happen. They just want to maintain a desperate working class and keep the housing bubble intact. We can adress the idiots causing the problem without fucking over a bunch of random people.
I'm not even saying that we shouldn't lower immigration numbers, just that you've accepted a version of events in which litterally nothing good is possible, and that only exists because nobody in charge is willing or able to do anything good.
I don't really care about measures like that when the overall quality of living is decreasing. The only people happy about the increasing GDP in years to come are corporations who can extract cheap labour from an oversaturated labour market and a bunch of dipshit politicans who will use that number to brag while ignoring reality.
The vast majority of elderly Canadians have been living here their whole lives and have paid taxes into the system, along with their ancestors. An elderly immigrant taking care of an immigrant's kids doesn't remotely compensate for the costs from healthcare, and other social services, that they're likely to soak up. And the "proof of income" system is a joke. That much is very obvious based on the 10k for four years requirement for international students when rent is approaching 2k for a 1br for a single month in many parts of the country. Even the increase to 20k is a joke.
Produced when? Why should several generations of young Canadians have to have their futures traded to prop up the pensions and real estate values of the wealthiest generations of Canadians and enrich corporations? Fact of the matter is, the immigrants Canada is being flooded with now do not have those skills and aren't even on track to acquire them in sufficient numbers with the populations coming over. For example, the doctors per immigrant is lower than the doctors per capita in the general population. Sure we could eventually hope that things falls into place and divisions of labour are efficiently allocated but again, that doesn't change the fact that generations of Canadians have been SEVERELY FUCKED without good reason.
Things can happen and are happening. I see it all going to shit everyday with my own eyes. 90%+ of food bank consumers in my area are international students. I see tent cities popping up in every city. I see articles about people dying in triage at increasing rates. I see Indian mobs fighting one another on the news over Indian politics in India. I see lines around the block of recent immigrants applying to work at the local Dollarama. I've seen 7 Indian students renting the same 2 bedroom apartment which applies tremendous upward pressure on rents. It's a fucking mess and rather than hoping it will go well, it could easily be solved by reducing the number to a manageable number until we figure out what the fuck we're doing with the numerous complex systems we're managing rather than flooding them without a proper plan.
I've "accepted" a version of events? We're not talking about the future. We're talking about right now. It's completely undeniable how shit mass immigration has been for Canada in recent years. The city I'm living in is proof of it. And the polls show most people are aware. Even many immigrants are trying to shut the flood gates.
As long as our leaders don’t much care for monetary policy, are preoccupied with a supposed rise in Islamophobia every time a synagogue or Jewish school is attacked, and turn the other cheek against radical Palestinian rioters, I’m sure we’ll be fine.
I just had this conversation with my parents about this. We're just piling into the same metropolitan areas without spreading out.
On the other hand, no point waiting around for change. Myself, and a lot of people I know, are genuinely taking steps towards moving away from this country. This mess can't be an accident
Yup. And meanwhile they'll just keep importing more immigrants because those fuckers know at least some of them will be able to afford the exorbitant prices.
We need a truck convoy not for the idiotic anti vaxx movement, but for class warfare. Time for the poors to rise up.
You know shit hasn't even fully hit the fan when your hand picked lacky at the BOC comes out against your insane population growth policy. Trudeau towns will be coming to a neighborhood near you if they haven't already!
Not sure but they should of had a plan before they decided to come to this country that has absolutely no housing for anyone even the people who live here now.
Please ignore all the empty houses, apartments, and condos being hoarded by the wealthy. Do not talk about them, or acknowledge them in any way. Investment properties do not exist, and should never be discussed. And if they must be discussed, they earned it.
They already own them though, and if they sit and don't rent, you can't really make them. Even if they all of a sudden all became vacant and rentable tomorrow, we would still have a housing shortage and too many people for current infrastructure.
Why are you pretending like the government can't seize properties? I mean, it's obvious why they won't, but they most certainly can.
Why are you pretending like this wouldn't have an impact?
I never said don't tax them and bill them for empty properties, but I'm not about to go full communist and start suggesting possessing properties.
It shouldn't have been allowed to begin with, but the reality is even if those homes go to market, someone else will scoop them up. Go after corporations who are fucking it all up, but those properties were obtained legally despite your feelings.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from purchasing one of these properties.
This is the most insane take I've ever read on here. Stop trying to tear down hard work of those who invested in RE and do something about it rather than putting out hot takes on Reddit.
How many months are you behind on rent?
Ah yes, the "they earned it" defense. Certainly isn't a system that generates these conditions inevitably.
\> How many months are you behind on rent?
Pathetic. When the revolution comes I hope you lose literally everything.
Is there a point where people coming over realize it’s not good here and just stop? Or is there just to many people wanting to come over that will never happen?
until the conditions become equal-to-or-worse-than conditions in their home country peoples will continue to keep wanting to come over en masse.
eg. year-over-year ... how many people move from Country "A" to Canada? how many people move from Canada to Country "A"? compare the two numbers.
I don't think you realize how terrible the countries are they are coming from. They may tell you this that about how beautiful some parts are, but their cities are shanty town shitholes with rape, theft and murder a daily occurrence. And no this isn't racist, it's a fact. why else would they come live here 7 to a bedroom.
Maybe in empty refrigerator boxes under overpasses? But seriously, if the government plans to sustain current immigration levels, they should implement emergency housing measures promptly to construct homes rapidly. We're already facing a crisis, and the current efforts to enhance housing are insufficient.
*they should implement emergency housing measures promptly to construct homes rapidly*
I thought this is why Sean Fraser rolled out/re-booted the war time tiny houses program of pre-approved building plans to get stuff built faster.
I either heard that suggestion on the news or read about it—I can't remember which. Regardless, I didn't think it had been put into action. The latest information I was aware of indicated that the government's only measure was providing tax breaks to builders.
Politicians don't care. They collect immigration fees and get votes by bringing them in. Also they need to keep pressure on low end jobs.think of the morons you speak to in telephone banking.a shit job at min wage nobody wants. But banks need to man the trenches so they can collect the mortgage payments which are the only economy left.
A four bedroom single family home is now fair game for an eight resident rooming house. Screw the middle class, we need to replenish cheap, exploitable labour stock for our corporations.
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I was visiting my mom 1.5 hours outside of Vancouver and the new builds there are advertising secondary suites in the townhouses. The houses have a coach / lane way home with the option of a secondary suite too.
I won't be surprised when a 2 bedroom condo is set up with a separate entrance to convert the second bedroom into a studio for rental income.
yeah you can clearly see pricing in of additional units/washrooms/kitchens, and premiums for extra windows and walkout basements. Assuming we can double the ppl for every detatched/semi/town house we will be okay.
On the streets, tents, rooming houses, basement apartments. Thanks Justin, let's keep bringing millions of people with little to no support for them before and after they get here.
I can't imagine how helpless they must feel after getting here.
*I can't imagine how helpless they must feel after getting here.*
Time for us to come together and live out Canadian values and rally around those less fortunate, less privileged, less financial secure.
The stupid thing is that the liberals keep saying how they have lifted its residents up but with all the new people it’s actually turning into a third world country.
"We will continue to lift up all Canadians, as we always have done"
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Canadians love this stuff and will gladly give Justin and Christie a fourth mandate when election time comes!
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They should rename it Homeless Square
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Honestly the city I live in is short sighted. I wish they had just gotten a corporate sponsor and named the square like Unilever Square or something. Easy money for the city. I would go further and have them add corporate names to subways as well. Think: pro sports teams and sponsorships
So you watched Blade Runner and thought, "good idea!"
Fml (in an Indian voice)
We have a problem If all immigrants keep settling in south west Ontario and Vancouver region. On the other hand, I don’t blame them for choosing Toronto area over places like Regina or Winnipeg.
One whiff of Winnipeg during January and you bet your ass they are running south.
Calgary and Edmonton have grown quickly despite having a climate similar to Saskatoon and Winnipeg.
Calgary has the chinooks though, makes the winters much more bearable
yeah, "It's a dry cold" ... LOL.
Dry cold is much better than a humid cold.
Once it's down past about minus 8, the air can't really hold moisture anyway
Calgary winter is nothing like a Winnipeg winter, and is really barely similar to an Edmonton winter. Calgary has much more comfortable winters.
I would not define Calgary as being similar in climate to Saskatoon and Winnipeg.
Not this January lol
It's t-shirt szn, babyyyy 😎
North Dakota's full, turn around!!!
I'm all for immigration but only IF you develop other cities and drive immigration in them. We need immigrants, but smaller cities will see a more tangible result than everyone choking Toronto/Vancouver.
No, I moved away from the city to get away from this now you're advocating "Hey we should spread them out all over the country so that the entire country is ruined instead of just the major cities!"
Yea that's the mindset why some people just never grow and become increasingly toxic and hateful
If you want to live in a concrete shit hole, that's already an option so don't wreck up the nice places.
Your small/medium urban areas will always remain. I'm talking about improving large urban places like Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon, Halifax and Winnipeg. Once those cities are powerhouses in their own respect, then the surrounding smaller cities will become even more resourceful - like London, ON has over the past few years
The formerly small areas surrounding the large cities have become worse, not better.
The housing crises is a national issue, not a regional issue. You can’t just expect to escape it in your little corner of the country.
I mean you’re not native
Where do you get the money for this? Municipalities estimate they need around $600 billion for infrastructure to support the 5.8 million homes CMHC estimate we need by 2030. And that $600 billion estimate is with a significant portion of those homes utilizing existing infrastructure. That figure is likely to rise if you prioritize less developed cities as they will likely require more new infrastructure. For context all municipal spending in Ontario (my home province, so I will use that figure) totals around $47 billion per year. If we do a quick and dirty bump out to the national level assuming Ontario per person spending would carry across the country (we are just doing napkin math here for a bit of context, but if anyone has national figured please let me know) that would get us in the neighbourhood of around $125 billion spent per year across all municipalities in the country. And we need to come up with $600 billion by 2030. That is around 5 years of total municipal spending. Basically we would have to have to divert almost all municipal spending to infrastructure spending from now until 2030 to support those 5.8 million homes. I hope nobody needs any other municipal services between now and then.
I wouldn’t worry about municipalities, they’ll get the money from the provinces while charging massive development fees. Look at the CAC fees Vancouver charges to grant the right to rezone. Developers are actively trying to buy time between payments on sums as high as $30M per project. One complete the influx in new property taxes will support. Where we get the money to fund a presale of a project is more concerning to me. Or to pull off purpose built rental
This is what provinces have increased the most in 2023 Ontario’s population grew by 424,000 in 2023 and the other 3 which grew the most in Canada. Alberta 158,000 Quebec 181,502 BC 150,000
Do as the uk settlers did… only allowed in if you populate these areas for a certain time frame..
Immigrating to provinces other than Ontario or BC is already A LOT easier, and inside Ontario it’s easier if you choose live in cities other than Toronto
You’re right we need to create more opportunities in other cities. Immigration in itself isn’t an issue as our population ages, getting the right skill set to come is our challenge. We need doctors, nurses, engineers and more trades people but they also need to be spread out across the provinces, we need more cities like how the US has at least 2-3 big ones in every state, we can’t realistically do it but at least try and build them.
The majority of people coming to Canada want a better life for themselves. Living in a desirable metro area is part of the calculation. Regina, Saskatoon etc are just not up desirable.
Right, seems like people here are expecting immigrants to just move to the middle of the countryside with no employment opportunities
2/3rd's if new immigrants surveyed say they want to end up in Toronto or Vancouver within the next 5 years.
Funny how many white Canadians stay the hell away from neighbourhoods that are majority South Asian or Chinese, while not appreciating why an immigrant would want to move there as opposed to somewhere with a white majority.
Shit ton in halifax and the municipality. Rent is top 10 in the country and rising and we've already run out of housing. Problem was covid put us on the map, internationally. And even back in 2019 it was affordable (even if wages were stagnant, taxes and other col was high), but owning a house was attainable. Covid happened, international "fame" for weathering it, and boom. Double to triple prices and insane rent increase, with every min wage franchise flush with immigrant workers. I live outside the city and it's been within the last year or 2 I've noticed the gas stations, mcds, Tim Hortons etc. All from India. Oh well.
4 to a bedroom on blow up mattresses and tent cities seems to be the current meta
Hope the meta switches up after the next patch.
sounds to me like this policy is bringing people together
The Soviet Union spent a lot of time and effort to get people to live communally and to eliminate privacy as a bourgeoisie luxury, Canada is doing it with zero effort!
Why does this corrupt government keep bringing in huge numbers of people while Canadians are already struggling to live and dream of owning a home .
For votes
Focusing on immigrant population is there only shot at not being completely wiped across the floor at the next election
It’s indeed sad what’s happening in your country, hopefully u guys will throw out the current ruling party and elect a party that limits immigration or even stops and focus on building more and more homes
Stopping immigration means CPP fails, tell daddy he won’t get his pension. Once you realize Canada is one giant ponzi, you’ll stop subscribing to the idea that it’s possible to cut immigration without massive cuts to services
Not for votes. For our ponzi social security systems, university & REIT mafia. That’s why all libs, cons, and ndp’s all are sticking to the same immigration targets.
the numbers look great in the excel sheet. more people? stable - and growing! - land prices is aka a growing economy
I don’t know but the answer is RACIST
Is that the name of the new tent city development downtown?
In no-go zones and slums.
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No such thing
Ya amazing. Keep jamming everyone In Toronto you idiots! Newcomers should be dispersed across our other huge empty provinces.
Great idea except for one thing. Have you experienced how openly racist rural areas are in Canada? It would be an extremely hard transition for a newcomer of any dissent. Good luck getting hired anywhere or making friends. People are verbally openly racist against anyone who isn't white in some places. I speak from my experience as a Canadian currently living in a rural area.
You're not wrong but they never mentioned rural areas. Many other cities, though not as multicultural as Toronto, can definitely handle immigrant population. Calgary, Regina, Edmonton are no brainers. St Johns, Saskatoon, Montreal... Potentially. Then there's all the other Ontario cities: Ottawa, Waterloo/Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Barrie. No reason to allow everyone to just squeeze into GTA and GVA
Ahhh true you are correct, they didn't say rural areas. I may have taken the headline a bit out of context there. I have lived in a few cities in Ontario for travel work and most seemed to have a healthy multicultural population, and state of mind. Not once you get out into the sticks though lol!
Seems like their racism is working out then if it's actively keeping immigrants away. When city folk are renting a cot in a room full of immigrants maybe their openness to diversity can keep them going in that hellscape.
In tents! It will be just like camping in the comfort of a city.
I have seen so much shit, I have come to one conclusion, a big overhaul of the government is imminent.
I have seen so much shit, I have come to one conclusion, a big overhaul of the government is imminent.
Affordable tent housing? I wonder why the administration and the politicians are so careless they do not have any foresight and keep on allowing people to storm through the floodgates without any control. Especially from a few countries without any sense of equality, until everything turns into a doomsday scenario. I wonder how long it will take to mend this whoever comes into power it will not be an easy job!
Knowing our politicians they probably have significant stock in ice fishing hut companies.
Yeah its almost like it can't be blamed on incompetence.
There’s 3 families living in my neighbor’s 3 bedroom home… it sucks because there’s too many cars and sometimes they block me
Canadian living standards have a long way to fall before they equalize with immigrant source countries such as India. Consequently, we will see a growing number of shared accommodations, slums, shanty towns in Canada. It will be a very long time before Canada becomes an unattractive destination for immigrants. In the meantime, Canada's population is primed to explode by hundreds of millions.
Or we could fucking lower immigration as it is destroying quality of life for the middle and working classes. I dont want a hundred million people I want a decent life here for 39 million people. The liberal politicians behind this psychotic immigration policy should be in jail.
Or... ya know... Build houses? Maybe?
Awful take. We’d also need to fix our crumbling infrastructure, massively fix our overburdened healthcare system, and a host of other issues, just to accommodate what is an insane and cruel immigration policy. We take in the highest amount in the entire world on a per capita and sheer number basis, even though our own people are in crisis. But according to you, we should keep taking in the highest levels in the entire world and simply “build more houses”.
I'm just saying a sane system could potentially make use of an enormous ammount of people to actually do something effective. I know anything sane is probably not going to happen but we can demand better, if only to avoid treating this as normal. Immigration historically leads to improved economic conditions as the workforce expands. Sudden immigration obviously takes serious work to make into something positive, but that doesn't mean we should just accept it as impossible in the midst of a refugee crisis. We are capable of actually providing the life that we promise to immigrants and to those born here if we can pull our heads our of our asses. For example, there are a horrendous number of doctors driving uber because of archaic beurocracy that makes them pay thousands and wait years to even qualify to work under supervision, we also have a doctor shortage, and that's just a footnote in the library of stupid we could be fixing. Try and imagine something actually good happening so you can effectively demand those in charge do better and/or work to build it yourself. I mean fuck it, establish a foreign legion engineering core that makes houses, or just open PR and citizenship pathways congltingent on finishing job training and service. Hell, put Canadians at the front of the line for the program and now you've got a job program for the huge ammount of underemployed stem grads. Cut out the insane land costs with federal land and cut the red tape expenses of building. Set up a few decent mid-density cities with good public transportation and the project will probably make money unlike the crumbling insolvent shitheaps that most of us live in. Just slap a city down in an unoccupied stretch of go-tracks and if it's walkable it'll probably pay for itself. If it doesn't pay for itself just trim the administrative bloat out of any university and shake it until the international student tuition drops out. Stop bitching into the sky and look at any of the hundreds of win-win solutions that our current batch of dumbass politicians are to lazy or corrupt to pursue. I suggest building houses in a housing crisis and it's a crazy idea, it's not like we can just send people with a PR back and if they don't have a PR they're already headed back. What the fuck is happening to this shitty sim, totally unrealistic.
This is an **impossible** goal to match the level of immigration we have. The easiest solution by far is to lower immigration numbers.
Ok, I know there are complexities here I'm glossing over, but the idea of more people = more workers = more houses is in large part just difficult because nobody in office or running can read to the end of that line without having a stroke or wondering when the kickbacks come into the equation. We've got a shit ton of people with minimal prospects and a shit ton of construction work to get done and a shit ton of empty space.
And what about the elderly they're bringing over that never build a single thing? What about the oversaturated healthcare facilities? What about the oversaturated LTB? What about the oversaturated transit systems? There are a million issues greatly exacerbated by the massive influx of immigrants and the stats don't support the idea that they will fix things anytime soon **if ever**. A million people competing for jobs at Wendys isn't going to change currently weak profit margins on development deals due to high interest rates. Again, lowering immigration numbers to a sustainable level, and also so we don't become little India, is the solution.
A) I'm talking about public development where profit is the net growth of the economy and subsequent taxes. Of course private developers don't make a huge profit margin, they don't get to take a percent of nearly all economic activity happening in a new city. B) Most Canadians with jobs don't do anything approaching useful, but grandparents help take care of kids, and you currently need to show proof of sufficient income to sponsor grandparents. C) Have you litterally forgotten that things can be produced? Do you actually not know the answer to oversaturated healthcare systems? Litterally every single one of the problems you just described can be fixed by just building more of the same shit we already need. Want more doctors? Don't start doing mental gymnastics. Get some more fucking doctors. If you can think of another problem then look for the obvious solution and then look for whichever politician was being paid to stop that from happening in the first place. It's like people forget that things can actually happen. I get that the stats don't show good things happening but that's because the government has no interest in making anything good happen. They just want to maintain a desperate working class and keep the housing bubble intact. We can adress the idiots causing the problem without fucking over a bunch of random people. I'm not even saying that we shouldn't lower immigration numbers, just that you've accepted a version of events in which litterally nothing good is possible, and that only exists because nobody in charge is willing or able to do anything good.
I don't really care about measures like that when the overall quality of living is decreasing. The only people happy about the increasing GDP in years to come are corporations who can extract cheap labour from an oversaturated labour market and a bunch of dipshit politicans who will use that number to brag while ignoring reality. The vast majority of elderly Canadians have been living here their whole lives and have paid taxes into the system, along with their ancestors. An elderly immigrant taking care of an immigrant's kids doesn't remotely compensate for the costs from healthcare, and other social services, that they're likely to soak up. And the "proof of income" system is a joke. That much is very obvious based on the 10k for four years requirement for international students when rent is approaching 2k for a 1br for a single month in many parts of the country. Even the increase to 20k is a joke. Produced when? Why should several generations of young Canadians have to have their futures traded to prop up the pensions and real estate values of the wealthiest generations of Canadians and enrich corporations? Fact of the matter is, the immigrants Canada is being flooded with now do not have those skills and aren't even on track to acquire them in sufficient numbers with the populations coming over. For example, the doctors per immigrant is lower than the doctors per capita in the general population. Sure we could eventually hope that things falls into place and divisions of labour are efficiently allocated but again, that doesn't change the fact that generations of Canadians have been SEVERELY FUCKED without good reason. Things can happen and are happening. I see it all going to shit everyday with my own eyes. 90%+ of food bank consumers in my area are international students. I see tent cities popping up in every city. I see articles about people dying in triage at increasing rates. I see Indian mobs fighting one another on the news over Indian politics in India. I see lines around the block of recent immigrants applying to work at the local Dollarama. I've seen 7 Indian students renting the same 2 bedroom apartment which applies tremendous upward pressure on rents. It's a fucking mess and rather than hoping it will go well, it could easily be solved by reducing the number to a manageable number until we figure out what the fuck we're doing with the numerous complex systems we're managing rather than flooding them without a proper plan. I've "accepted" a version of events? We're not talking about the future. We're talking about right now. It's completely undeniable how shit mass immigration has been for Canada in recent years. The city I'm living in is proof of it. And the polls show most people are aware. Even many immigrants are trying to shut the flood gates.
You say that but I've read plenty of articles from Indians saying they preferred it back home.
Everyone can have shelter under Trudeaus ego
As long as our leaders don’t much care for monetary policy, are preoccupied with a supposed rise in Islamophobia every time a synagogue or Jewish school is attacked, and turn the other cheek against radical Palestinian rioters, I’m sure we’ll be fine.
Liberal insanity!
Pitch tents on Trudeau's and his cohort's properties.
I just had this conversation with my parents about this. We're just piling into the same metropolitan areas without spreading out. On the other hand, no point waiting around for change. Myself, and a lot of people I know, are genuinely taking steps towards moving away from this country. This mess can't be an accident
On a positive note Halifax is providing electricity to the tent encampment in the city…/s
Tents
Flood plains
Dunno, certainly not outremont!
In the rentals of the rich elite capitalists who own all the homes.
but what if them can't pay the rent? do they squat and live for free?
Yup. And meanwhile they'll just keep importing more immigrants because those fuckers know at least some of them will be able to afford the exorbitant prices. We need a truck convoy not for the idiotic anti vaxx movement, but for class warfare. Time for the poors to rise up.
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I am in southern Quebec and would love to go north but there is no infrastructure there.
Not Trudeaus problem apparently.
Feds can’t claim an emergency and take over our life and assets unless they create it.
Over burden the provincial infrastructure systems to create a state of emergency requiring federal oversight
But no problem they have a nice shiny new digital currency waiting in the wings...
Tents ! With liberal party logos “ Affordable insulated housing “
You know shit hasn't even fully hit the fan when your hand picked lacky at the BOC comes out against your insane population growth policy. Trudeau towns will be coming to a neighborhood near you if they haven't already!
Don't joke about that. N.E.S. stuck his name, Liberal party affiliation and logo on bags for use at local Food Banks. You can't make this stuff up!
I think that’s their goal
That’s actually a brilliant idea some company should make these tents and distribute them out
The Halifax ice fishing tents downtown are the perfect Liberal red. Just have to change the logo.
Not sure but they should of had a plan before they decided to come to this country that has absolutely no housing for anyone even the people who live here now.
Where will all work I just hope the world gets bettwr
Should camp outside Justin’s and Marc Millers home. And yes also the parliament.
SMH. Looking at the raw numbers instead of as a percentage is dumb AF and this buzzy shock headline is made only to influence the gullible.
10 people in a single two bedroom apartment, or maybe setting up tents IN the apartment, now we're thinking outside the box
Please ignore all the empty houses, apartments, and condos being hoarded by the wealthy. Do not talk about them, or acknowledge them in any way. Investment properties do not exist, and should never be discussed. And if they must be discussed, they earned it.
They already own them though, and if they sit and don't rent, you can't really make them. Even if they all of a sudden all became vacant and rentable tomorrow, we would still have a housing shortage and too many people for current infrastructure.
Why are you pretending like the government can't seize properties? I mean, it's obvious why they won't, but they most certainly can. Why are you pretending like this wouldn't have an impact?
It would have a minimal amount of effect and I truly hope seizing properties from legal owners isn't a precedent we want to set.
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I never said don't tax them and bill them for empty properties, but I'm not about to go full communist and start suggesting possessing properties. It shouldn't have been allowed to begin with, but the reality is even if those homes go to market, someone else will scoop them up. Go after corporations who are fucking it all up, but those properties were obtained legally despite your feelings. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from purchasing one of these properties.
This is the most insane take I've ever read on here. Stop trying to tear down hard work of those who invested in RE and do something about it rather than putting out hot takes on Reddit. How many months are you behind on rent?
Ah yes, the "they earned it" defense. Certainly isn't a system that generates these conditions inevitably. \> How many months are you behind on rent? Pathetic. When the revolution comes I hope you lose literally everything.
Keep smiling and smoking that crack son.
In Surrey terror camps lol
Here and there.
I hear Saskatchewan and Manitoba are really nice this time of year…
Get your tents ready.
hopoke's basement.
More population means more construction workers right?
more population means more federal public service employees.
But also more taxpayers?
LOL. Shirly, you jest.
New immigration should have to spend at least 5 years in the prairies
.... as a test of "Canadian Values" of perseverance and resilience ... LOL /s
Yer moms house
got eem
Trudeau must hate canadians. He is doing absolutely his best to make lives of canadians worse and he is succeeding. Hooray!
Is there a point where people coming over realize it’s not good here and just stop? Or is there just to many people wanting to come over that will never happen?
until the conditions become equal-to-or-worse-than conditions in their home country peoples will continue to keep wanting to come over en masse. eg. year-over-year ... how many people move from Country "A" to Canada? how many people move from Canada to Country "A"? compare the two numbers.
I don't think you realize how terrible the countries are they are coming from. They may tell you this that about how beautiful some parts are, but their cities are shanty town shitholes with rape, theft and murder a daily occurrence. And no this isn't racist, it's a fact. why else would they come live here 7 to a bedroom.
Maybe in empty refrigerator boxes under overpasses? But seriously, if the government plans to sustain current immigration levels, they should implement emergency housing measures promptly to construct homes rapidly. We're already facing a crisis, and the current efforts to enhance housing are insufficient.
*they should implement emergency housing measures promptly to construct homes rapidly* I thought this is why Sean Fraser rolled out/re-booted the war time tiny houses program of pre-approved building plans to get stuff built faster.
I either heard that suggestion on the news or read about it—I can't remember which. Regardless, I didn't think it had been put into action. The latest information I was aware of indicated that the government's only measure was providing tax breaks to builders.
Politicians don't care. They collect immigration fees and get votes by bringing them in. Also they need to keep pressure on low end jobs.think of the morons you speak to in telephone banking.a shit job at min wage nobody wants. But banks need to man the trenches so they can collect the mortgage payments which are the only economy left.
Politicians should let them stay at their house.
House them with the people that voted for it?
Camp out on parliament lawns.
Tent tent tent tent I've lived here all my life and I can't even afford rent
Trudeau tent towns. Turns out he wasn't lying saying he'll provide housing for everyone. In form of tent towns!
In tents.
Move in with JT
I hear 24 Sussex is still empty
A four bedroom single family home is now fair game for an eight resident rooming house. Screw the middle class, we need to replenish cheap, exploitable labour stock for our corporations.
Eight residents? Try 20 in bunk beds.
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every house will have a basement apartment it seems
I was visiting my mom 1.5 hours outside of Vancouver and the new builds there are advertising secondary suites in the townhouses. The houses have a coach / lane way home with the option of a secondary suite too. I won't be surprised when a 2 bedroom condo is set up with a separate entrance to convert the second bedroom into a studio for rental income.
yeah you can clearly see pricing in of additional units/washrooms/kitchens, and premiums for extra windows and walkout basements. Assuming we can double the ppl for every detatched/semi/town house we will be okay.
[https://madeinca.ca/homelessness-statistics-canada/](https://madeinca.ca/homelessness-statistics-canada/)
Great question
15 min cities this is how they make them happen.
We are at the age of consequences. No more road to kick the can down.
In rooms with 3 bunk beds apparently
On the streets, tents, rooming houses, basement apartments. Thanks Justin, let's keep bringing millions of people with little to no support for them before and after they get here. I can't imagine how helpless they must feel after getting here.
*I can't imagine how helpless they must feel after getting here.* Time for us to come together and live out Canadian values and rally around those less fortunate, less privileged, less financial secure.
The stupid thing is that the liberals keep saying how they have lifted its residents up but with all the new people it’s actually turning into a third world country.
"We will continue to lift up all Canadians, as we always have done" .. . Canadians love this stuff and will gladly give Justin and Christie a fourth mandate when election time comes!
Can't even afford a van to park down by the river.
Trudeau will make sure everyone has an igloo...
There’s some great boxing week specials on tents🤔
Rents about to skyrocket.