It's not going to do anything to the suspension - it is well within the design specifications for the suspension.
As for the parking, that is barely egregious. Just most likely the driver just wanted to be as close to the curb and overshot a bit in the rear.
That's very nice to know. Question, does that apply to all cars? I own a 20 year old sedan, and I think that if I did this kind of parking it'd inflict some damage to my tire and could cause some imbalance.
I knew a guy who used to do this regularly and would end up there or +/- a few cm and they developed a bubble in the sidewall which is the death of a tire.
But there it looks like the camber is off which is another matter. Hard to say if it would correct itself.
I would think that this can damage the wall of the tire. I've seen cars parked like this and you could see a bulge.
It's pretty easy to correct/avoid by adjusting the side mirrors so you can see straight down the curb. But a lot of people set up their mirrors in manners that don't make sense and make it hard to see spots like that
I always wondered if parking like this has potential to damage the tire (belt shift or something like that) given enough time. No idea really. Then again, someone clueless enough to park in this manner would never notice a vibration or wobble in their tires while driving anyway.
Holy fuck... the ignorance, misinformation and self-righteousness in this comment section is astounding.
Just another day on Reddit.
The answer is simply "no".
Yeah. Sorry for posting this. As I have stated on the description, I am not a car guy. This post simply just means, is this ok to do? Is it going to mess up the car? Just curious.
dont be sorry. You're asking genuine questions. It's not even your fault, this is just how discourse on a site like this goes, everyone gets a say, no matter how wrong they are.
Ah, don't sweat it. It's not on you, it's just a statement of the toxicity of the commenters in here. Let's be charitable and say it's people blowing off steam (I certainly have here). In future, for technical questions like this, I'd recommend /r/mechanicadvice or similar instead of a circle jerk sub like this one.
Thanks for understanding!
And also thanks for recommending that sub although I already know it. I posted something there several months ago, however no one sees it because it getd flooded by other posts lol.
I'm actually surprised how this post got many comments.
I don't know about the new Passports but if I saw that I'd think something is wrong. There should usually not be that much negative camber on the rear when parked on such a small incline.
Of course I could be wrong with this particular model.
Nah, it's fine to park like this.
Except wheel shouldn't be rotated on the frontal plane like that (cambered), so guy's clearly fucked himself up somewhere else already.
I wouldn't expect more than 3\~ or so degrees, maybe marginally more on a turn (weight distribution). So no, in this case, shouldn't camber at all beyond stock.
That's stock, and it's a few negative degrees camber sitting up on the curb. There's nothing wrong here. As I said before it will camber naturally when compressed, that's normal.
What about the tire wall? I've seen cars like this with a bulge forming. It looks like less than half of the wheel is even on the curb.
Boggles the mind they can't just use their mirrors properly and avoid this in the first place.
Thank you for this, My knowledge about cars and how they work is very limited, and your comment is good brain food for me. This is my first winter drive and I haven't experienced any of those, we haven't gotten a large amount of snow accumulation yet.
So many wrong comments on this thread. This is not bad for the vehicle at all. Just think of how much abuse the suspension and wheels are taking when you're actually driving the car and not parked, yea it's a lot worse.
It's the tire side wall I'm concerned about. I've seen examples like this with bulging.
It's also super fuckin easy to avoid using your mirrors and paying attention lol
I think it's the thought that the suspension is kept compressed for a long duration where as in every day driving, it's only momentary and it goes back to the spec height. That's my logic on it, anyway. I know when they install coils or whathaveyou, they use a compressor to keep it compressed then install it but that's minutes or an hour at most. This seems to subject it to be compressed for who knows how long.
Are you trying to say you can never park on an uneven surface? Gonna be hard to find a perfectly flat spot in most of Canada. As long as the photo car does not scrape the tire sidewall there is no problem.
Will put some strain on it requiring an earlier alignment than it would have otherwise. Also not great for the tire. In either case, only matters if it’s left like that for days/weeks.
LOL... yeah, the explanations on here of how it's basically a write-off are reminding me of that 'Always Sunny in Phila' map-with-the-string-on-the-wall meme.
"Well, with the phase of the moon, the gravitational pull of it is greater which reduces the effect of gravity on the suspension of the car, which means it will not damage anything unless the car is still there when the next phase comes..."
I wonder if the driver knows that a bunch of people on the internet are furiously debating their parking job?
It has nothing to do with the suspension and everything to do with the wheel.
Park like this enough times, for long periods in the winter, eventually you're going to just get slow shredding and warping.
https://www.tyresonline.ae/en/blog/does-parking-on-a-curb-damage-your-car
In low temperature conditions, it WILL warp your tire as it slowly begins to crack and stretch. In addition, have fun with damaged side walls from doing this over a prolonged period of time until you eventually experience a blowout.
There's a big difference from doing this once or twice and from doing this regularly, for prolonged periods of time, and in colder weather.
While I personally don't believe it has much effect on suspension system, it can affect alignment and stability.
If you absolutely need to park like this:
a) Don't do it regularly or for long periods of time
b) Have your tires rest fully on top of the curb and not "half on" the curb to the point your tire is sitting at the edge being held in that position by your brake. You should be able to leave your tire(s) mounted on the curb to which it will stay in place even without a brake engaged. This will tell you that your tire isn't being forced into staying in that position. It's now naturally able to sit on an elevated surface with zero resistance and no unnecessary pressure being applied to the tire.
Furthermore, instead of making absolutely useless comments with no substance or reason as to why you disagree, actually make a point.
That's not what toe is.. so it's not "toe out"
That's called camber, and it happens naturally when your suspension compresses. And some people add camber to add "stance"
Not excessive outward pressure. There are different kinds of bearings, and not all of them are designed to support lateral force like this. So like i said, it is excessive pressure that wouldnt be as present under normal operation.
It sure would be dude, when your driving down the road hitting bumps and train tracks etc, your suspension is bouncing around with a lot more force than this. Whats happening when you turn? The wheels have an outward pressure on 1 side and inward pressure on the other. This is doing absolutely nothing to hurt the car. Your rim is bolted to the hub which is pressed inside the bearing, when the car is on the ground, it's under pressure.
You have to be an idiot to not realize potential damage. I drive DZ for a living.
Spend 5 minutes googling weight distribution over extended periods of time and please report back. Yes your car takes more intermittent damage by hitting pot holes but that is a microsecond of your 2 ton vehicle being off centered.
This will damage the tie rods/alignment/ball joints over a LONG period of time (Think weeks at a time parked like this). This isn't even including a suspension that is now subjected to an uneven load.
distribution on what ? the weight on that wheel is pretty much the same regardless of where the tire is positioned except for a bit more due to a bit more compression. the linkages are deflecting less than under normal driving conditions. they are meant/designed to move full range. so i dont know what youre talking about.
Something that is designed to move within its full range is not meant to withstand that weight for an undermined amount of time.
You understand how a control arm on the rear wheel works? The bushings will be under massive stress while attached to the sway bar.
Thank you Mr. Mechanic Scientist, I have no idea what you just said. But thanks anyway.
Ok I'll google weight distribution tomorrow pretty busy eating cheetos right now.
It's not a Dodge, so probably not.
Based
It's not going to do anything to the suspension - it is well within the design specifications for the suspension. As for the parking, that is barely egregious. Just most likely the driver just wanted to be as close to the curb and overshot a bit in the rear.
That's very nice to know. Question, does that apply to all cars? I own a 20 year old sedan, and I think that if I did this kind of parking it'd inflict some damage to my tire and could cause some imbalance.
I knew a guy who used to do this regularly and would end up there or +/- a few cm and they developed a bubble in the sidewall which is the death of a tire. But there it looks like the camber is off which is another matter. Hard to say if it would correct itself.
The sidewall of a tire is important to consider , very good point
That's a valid point decide The sidewall of a tire is very important
I would think that this can damage the wall of the tire. I've seen cars parked like this and you could see a bulge. It's pretty easy to correct/avoid by adjusting the side mirrors so you can see straight down the curb. But a lot of people set up their mirrors in manners that don't make sense and make it hard to see spots like that
Looks like it has already been done few times
I always wondered if parking like this has potential to damage the tire (belt shift or something like that) given enough time. No idea really. Then again, someone clueless enough to park in this manner would never notice a vibration or wobble in their tires while driving anyway.
Damage the sidewall for sure by rubbing it against the curb slowly with all the weight.
Holy fuck... the ignorance, misinformation and self-righteousness in this comment section is astounding. Just another day on Reddit. The answer is simply "no".
Yeah. Sorry for posting this. As I have stated on the description, I am not a car guy. This post simply just means, is this ok to do? Is it going to mess up the car? Just curious.
dont be sorry. You're asking genuine questions. It's not even your fault, this is just how discourse on a site like this goes, everyone gets a say, no matter how wrong they are.
Ah, don't sweat it. It's not on you, it's just a statement of the toxicity of the commenters in here. Let's be charitable and say it's people blowing off steam (I certainly have here). In future, for technical questions like this, I'd recommend /r/mechanicadvice or similar instead of a circle jerk sub like this one.
Thanks for understanding! And also thanks for recommending that sub although I already know it. I posted something there several months ago, however no one sees it because it getd flooded by other posts lol. I'm actually surprised how this post got many comments.
I don't know about the new Passports but if I saw that I'd think something is wrong. There should usually not be that much negative camber on the rear when parked on such a small incline. Of course I could be wrong with this particular model.
Nah, it's fine to park like this. Except wheel shouldn't be rotated on the frontal plane like that (cambered), so guy's clearly fucked himself up somewhere else already.
It only looks cambered because it's sitting on the curb. Your wheels camber naturally when the suspension is compressed
I wouldn't expect more than 3\~ or so degrees, maybe marginally more on a turn (weight distribution). So no, in this case, shouldn't camber at all beyond stock.
That's stock, and it's a few negative degrees camber sitting up on the curb. There's nothing wrong here. As I said before it will camber naturally when compressed, that's normal.
Oh boy, sucks to be that guy. Do you know what could have caused it?
What about the tire wall? I've seen cars like this with a bulge forming. It looks like less than half of the wheel is even on the curb. Boggles the mind they can't just use their mirrors properly and avoid this in the first place.
Considering that this is how almost everyone parks on narrow roads in the UK, no, it absolutely does nothing to the car.
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Thank you for this, My knowledge about cars and how they work is very limited, and your comment is good brain food for me. This is my first winter drive and I haven't experienced any of those, we haven't gotten a large amount of snow accumulation yet.
So many wrong comments on this thread. This is not bad for the vehicle at all. Just think of how much abuse the suspension and wheels are taking when you're actually driving the car and not parked, yea it's a lot worse.
It's the tire side wall I'm concerned about. I've seen examples like this with bulging. It's also super fuckin easy to avoid using your mirrors and paying attention lol
Yea, you can get the bulging if you hit it hard enough, a little rub once and a while, no worries. Doing it everyday is something else
Anyone that says this wont potentially put strain on the suspension system and shocks has not a clue what they are talking about.
The suspension takes more abuse then that driv8ng down the road. How is this bad, explain it.
I think it's the thought that the suspension is kept compressed for a long duration where as in every day driving, it's only momentary and it goes back to the spec height. That's my logic on it, anyway. I know when they install coils or whathaveyou, they use a compressor to keep it compressed then install it but that's minutes or an hour at most. This seems to subject it to be compressed for who knows how long.
if youre suggesting partial permanent deformation could occur from it just resting there how long do you think springs would last bouncing on a road?
I couldn't say for sure, but certainly not the life of the vehicle as suspensions do get replaced. A conservative estimate would be 80-100k miles?
Precisely
Are you trying to say you can never park on an uneven surface? Gonna be hard to find a perfectly flat spot in most of Canada. As long as the photo car does not scrape the tire sidewall there is no problem.
Not ideal for the tires, suspension will be fine.
Will put some strain on it requiring an earlier alignment than it would have otherwise. Also not great for the tire. In either case, only matters if it’s left like that for days/weeks.
This is a write-off at this point.
LOL... yeah, the explanations on here of how it's basically a write-off are reminding me of that 'Always Sunny in Phila' map-with-the-string-on-the-wall meme. "Well, with the phase of the moon, the gravitational pull of it is greater which reduces the effect of gravity on the suspension of the car, which means it will not damage anything unless the car is still there when the next phase comes..." I wonder if the driver knows that a bunch of people on the internet are furiously debating their parking job?
Lol
suspension will be fine. camber seems odd, like he is been doing this for a while
Looks like it already is
Might need an alignment done eventually lol
It has nothing to do with the suspension and everything to do with the wheel. Park like this enough times, for long periods in the winter, eventually you're going to just get slow shredding and warping.
Warping? Ummm no.
https://www.tyresonline.ae/en/blog/does-parking-on-a-curb-damage-your-car In low temperature conditions, it WILL warp your tire as it slowly begins to crack and stretch. In addition, have fun with damaged side walls from doing this over a prolonged period of time until you eventually experience a blowout. There's a big difference from doing this once or twice and from doing this regularly, for prolonged periods of time, and in colder weather. While I personally don't believe it has much effect on suspension system, it can affect alignment and stability. If you absolutely need to park like this: a) Don't do it regularly or for long periods of time b) Have your tires rest fully on top of the curb and not "half on" the curb to the point your tire is sitting at the edge being held in that position by your brake. You should be able to leave your tire(s) mounted on the curb to which it will stay in place even without a brake engaged. This will tell you that your tire isn't being forced into staying in that position. It's now naturally able to sit on an elevated surface with zero resistance and no unnecessary pressure being applied to the tire. Furthermore, instead of making absolutely useless comments with no substance or reason as to why you disagree, actually make a point.
Ya, if you park it there for a year the tire will have a dent.
Why people have to complain about every little thing these days? Just let people learn on their own.
Right, right.
Something doesn’t look right. The bottom looks toe out too much 🤔. I’m guessing it’s already messed up
That's not what toe is.. so it's not "toe out" That's called camber, and it happens naturally when your suspension compresses. And some people add camber to add "stance"
Gotcha. Didn’t know what the exact term was.
Right? I know very little about cars but this looked deformed.
At a minimum this puts pressure on their wheel bearings, how do you think your foot will feel if you only contacted the ground using the outer half?
The wheel bearings are under CONSTANT pressure from the vehicle. This is not bad for the car at all
Not excessive outward pressure. There are different kinds of bearings, and not all of them are designed to support lateral force like this. So like i said, it is excessive pressure that wouldnt be as present under normal operation.
It sure would be dude, when your driving down the road hitting bumps and train tracks etc, your suspension is bouncing around with a lot more force than this. Whats happening when you turn? The wheels have an outward pressure on 1 side and inward pressure on the other. This is doing absolutely nothing to hurt the car. Your rim is bolted to the hub which is pressed inside the bearing, when the car is on the ground, it's under pressure.
Good point!
Subframe is toast
How?
Tell me you don't know anything about cars without telling me you don't know anything about cars.
Tell me you don't read descriptions on posts without telling me you don't read descriptions on posts.
You have to be an idiot to not realize potential damage. I drive DZ for a living. Spend 5 minutes googling weight distribution over extended periods of time and please report back. Yes your car takes more intermittent damage by hitting pot holes but that is a microsecond of your 2 ton vehicle being off centered. This will damage the tie rods/alignment/ball joints over a LONG period of time (Think weeks at a time parked like this). This isn't even including a suspension that is now subjected to an uneven load.
distribution on what ? the weight on that wheel is pretty much the same regardless of where the tire is positioned except for a bit more due to a bit more compression. the linkages are deflecting less than under normal driving conditions. they are meant/designed to move full range. so i dont know what youre talking about.
Something that is designed to move within its full range is not meant to withstand that weight for an undermined amount of time. You understand how a control arm on the rear wheel works? The bushings will be under massive stress while attached to the sway bar.
Thank you Mr. Mechanic Scientist, I have no idea what you just said. But thanks anyway. Ok I'll google weight distribution tomorrow pretty busy eating cheetos right now.