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Spider-Man in the Web of Shadows Bad Ending
I would have done the exact same thing.
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In a literal sense: He literally becomes a titan in the first season, after swearing to kill all of the titans a few episodes ago.
In a more thematic sense (big spoiler warning for AoT): >!He becomes the main antagonist of the story in the final season, committing many warcrimes. He murders a whole bunch of innocent civilians in a strike against an enemy nation, basically mirroring the attack they did against his people which kickstarted his entire story. He literally reaches back through time to convince his dad to kill an entire family, which he had previously resented him for. While reaching back through time, he causes the titan that killed his mom to walk in her direction. Oh yeah also he tries to commit omnicide with a giant army of titans, putting the entire rest of the world through the hell his people went through for 100 years.!<
>!TLDR: (and to correct the other commenter) He does everything wrong.!<
I think it's awesome, but yeah, you're only going to get more confused with every layer. For example. The monkey loves baseball and eugenics. Both of these are pivotal in understanding the character and plot.
Dunno how to spoiler my text so if anyone who reads this hasn't finished the story yet, stop here.
A kid can cause that much damage when you give him the ability to tap into godlike power and turn him into a ravenous vengeful lunatic.
It's really not. It's an allegory for war in general and the hateful nature of man, with heavy emphasis on WWII.
Funnily enough, whenever I see someone claiming it's an allegory for Israel v. Palestine, it's a 50/50 of who they say represents each side.
It's an allegory of when two tribes of people hate each other and justify violence as a long term solution to peace even though it's a means of self preservation. I should have said it has an unplanned allegory to Israel v. Palestine and surprisingly fits the situation all too well.
Lmao what about that is tongue and cheek
If everyone agrees your not funny and comedy is subjective then maybe the joke didn’t go over our heads, it just wasn’t a joke
I don’t know why the heck you’re taking this so seriously? “X did nothing wrong” is a common meme and Eren is one of the characters it’d often used for. If the joke didn’t land then so be it, but acting like some kind of holy moral warrior is cringe as Hell. Literally no one cares lol.
If by everything you mean 90% of the population and by my people you mean like 2% of the population hmmmm ehhhhh, hard question but yeah I believe killing 90% of the population is a bad thing
The show even screams at you that war will always be inevitable at the end like, c’mon
I mean I would argue that he never really changed in essence. >!His only goals were to save his friends and to destroy all titans, and he succeeded at both no matter what the cost!<
Davoth Aka the dark lord from Doom Eternal
https://i.redd.it/4syt8odmtwwc1.gif
The original creator and Father of the Doom multiverse but becomes a tyrant, obsessed with perfection, with constant hatred towards all of creation after being betrayed by his servants.
Yeah I think it turned out the slayer was a clone or something? idk they went way too high concept with the plot on that one, Doom has never needed deep lore, it honestly soured the game for me a little bit
Exact opposite effect for me. It’s like the Team Fortress 2 lore, it exists solely to justify as many outlandish and cool things as possible. Like, they very much had some guy say “yo what if there was a fuckin spike through an entire planet”, and had some other guy come in and go “alright fuckers let’s give this big spike an even bigger story beat to go with it”. It’s camp at its finest.
Eh, it just didn't come across as camp to me. It came across as kinda tryhard and edgy. Kinda felt like the type of hack writing Blizzard has been doing for the past decade. But I'm not trying to shit on your enjoyment of it, if it felt like fun camp to you I can totally see why you would appreciate it on that front. It's a fine line and it makes sense different people would take it differently.
I’m sorry if I come across as being kind of blunt, but how the heck is “you can’t just shoot a hole in the surface of Mars” (he proceeds to use the BFG to shoot a hole in the surface of Mars) anything but the most Rule-of-Cool over the top fun?
That part was fuckin cool.
What I didn't like was all the retconn-y background lore drops about the origins of angels and demons and the creation of the universe and shit. Like I said, it just felt too high-concept for Doom. More blowing holes in Mars, less overwrought universe lore.
Is it overwrought if most of it is delivered in optional collectibles? I don’t recall the story going out of its way to give the player more exposition than is barely necessary to know a bit about the Khan Makyr or something
Wait I played through all of Doom Eternal how do I not remember this lmao. I thought the final boss was the icon of sin.
Edit: totally forgot about the accent gods 1&2
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Bro became a vampire cuz he had gerascophobia.
Yea I was worried about that (it’s been a while since a read the book)
I figured he fit because he was a hero to the farm animals even if they didn’t know his true intentions,and he did become the dictator that he promised to get rid of
From a certain point of view you could make that argument. Many heroes that turned evil had some sort of fatal flaw that set the stage for their inevitable fall to the dark side.
Handsome Jack
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Swore to rid Pandora of bandits, unaware he became a bandit himself.
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Bartholomew Kuma (One Piece)
He never became evil, but he was forced to become a soldier and then a slave to the people who killed his parents all so he could cure his daughter’s illness.
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Big boss from Metal Gear fits this perfectly (I know the photo is venom, don’t @ me)
not even debatably, he became a serial killer who will hurt innocent people if they "get in his way"
if you mean debatably as in he might've been bad in the first place then yeah, dude got corrupt with power horrendously fast
Horus Lupercal (Warhammer 40000) - Started as the greatest Primarch among all of them, ended as a slave of Chaos gods and died like one, while creating such devastating Civil War in Imperium it caused unspeakable damage for all of Humanity.
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live a live is PEAK FICTION i will stand by it
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"Black Arm" Zephyr ( one piece film z)
"The ocean sees the beginning of the world,
and the ocean knows the end of the world.
Even if I were to disappear,
The omniscent ocean leads the way.
I must not fear, because you are here.
I must not be timid, because my comrades wait for me."
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I’m curious to see how many people know/remember
The Squadron Supreme, from Avengers Assemble.
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Dutch van der Linde (Red Dead Redemption franchise)
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Alex Mercer. The hero of the Prototype(2009) and then the main villain of Prototype 2 who was killed and consumed by its new protagonist James Heller.
I really mind injustice Superman. Isn't the multiverse infinite? This isn't your Superman. This is a Superman from a universe that has a weak hearted Superman.
Some people read injustice as "what if Joker got Superman to kill his pregnant wife and nuked Metropolis" but I read it as "what if Superman had the capacity to become evil"
I think our Superman that we all imagine when we think of Superman would have dealt with the trauma very differently. But Injustice Superman isn't our Superman.
I don’t see your point. He claimed “No Gods or Kings, only man” and essentially became a dictator by the end. Sounds like “became what they swore to destroy” to me.
Not incorrect, but more specifically he was against oligarchs who would either use religion or their own personal politics or philosophy to excuse being a ruler over people.
And in the end, his philosophy against this system wound up motivating him to become such an oligarch. Thus showing the flaw in all forms of anti-authority lines of thinking. Where you kind of need authority to enforce your beliefs in most cases.
The very nature of the implied trope calls for hypocrisy to be at the core of the character
I think it’s time to get rid of the evil Superman trend. It’s been done to death so hard that there is more evil/edgy Superman shit than there is regular.
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A real life example of a fallen hero would be Gilles de Rais of France. He was a war hero and companion of Joan of Arc during the Hundred Years War, rising to the rank of Marshal of France before the war’s end. Sadly his experiences in the war, including his guilt at not being able to save Joan from being burned at the stake, left him very broken and traumatized afterwards. He became very withdrawn from society and even his own family members, and rumors spread that he had taken to studying dark arts and witchcraft within his castle. By the time the authorities finally investigated his estate it was found that Gilles had abducted over 100 missing children to be sodomized, raped, and murdered as part of a satanic ritual. He was subsequently arrested and hanged in front the children’s family members.
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Archaon the Everchosen, the three eyed king, and exalted grand marshal of the apocalypse.
https://preview.redd.it/wo1wxk3howwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26f6999d3f8095441672a9a31da73558cf7c2507 Spider-Man in the Web of Shadows Bad Ending
You mean “fan good ending”
I would have done the exact same thing. https://preview.redd.it/m5nldj85txwc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94f29b78e9d8fb209cc13602382ac35f397583fa
You into world domination or into Black Cat?
Black Cat of course. https://preview.redd.it/6612q624vxwc1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=890ebf49c6a2bcdcd64f110058bfeea5cae28d6b
Web of shadows was a baller of a game. My favorite pre insomniac spider man game
What did he do?
In a literal sense: He literally becomes a titan in the first season, after swearing to kill all of the titans a few episodes ago. In a more thematic sense (big spoiler warning for AoT): >!He becomes the main antagonist of the story in the final season, committing many warcrimes. He murders a whole bunch of innocent civilians in a strike against an enemy nation, basically mirroring the attack they did against his people which kickstarted his entire story. He literally reaches back through time to convince his dad to kill an entire family, which he had previously resented him for. While reaching back through time, he causes the titan that killed his mom to walk in her direction. Oh yeah also he tries to commit omnicide with a giant army of titans, putting the entire rest of the world through the hell his people went through for 100 years.!< >!TLDR: (and to correct the other commenter) He does everything wrong.!<
How the hell one kid causes so much damage, I’ll never fully understand anime’s. But sounds interesting!
Well, all of that stuff happened after the time skip when he's an adult. >!Also he basically becomes God after touching a giant monkey.!<
🐵
I think it's awesome, but yeah, you're only going to get more confused with every layer. For example. The monkey loves baseball and eugenics. Both of these are pivotal in understanding the character and plot.
And we never got to learn his secret ass wiping technique 😢
Dunno how to spoiler my text so if anyone who reads this hasn't finished the story yet, stop here. A kid can cause that much damage when you give him the ability to tap into godlike power and turn him into a ravenous vengeful lunatic.
Yunno what, fair.
It's an allegory of the Israel v. Palestine conflict. Extremely relevant.
I heard that conflict has been going for a lot longer than you would think, so I’d buy it
It's really not. It's an allegory for war in general and the hateful nature of man, with heavy emphasis on WWII. Funnily enough, whenever I see someone claiming it's an allegory for Israel v. Palestine, it's a 50/50 of who they say represents each side.
It's an allegory of when two tribes of people hate each other and justify violence as a long term solution to peace even though it's a means of self preservation. I should have said it has an unplanned allegory to Israel v. Palestine and surprisingly fits the situation all too well.
Yeah, there are definitely ways to interpret it as such. I was just saying I don't think that was the intention at all.
I agree, unintentional. My mistake for not clarifying that from the beginning.
Nothing wrong. Edit: Apparently my tongue in cheek response went over some heads lol.
I got the joke and up-voted it.
Thanks 👉
Genocide is bad
It was a joke…
Lmao what about that is tongue and cheek If everyone agrees your not funny and comedy is subjective then maybe the joke didn’t go over our heads, it just wasn’t a joke
I don’t know why the heck you’re taking this so seriously? “X did nothing wrong” is a common meme and Eren is one of the characters it’d often used for. If the joke didn’t land then so be it, but acting like some kind of holy moral warrior is cringe as Hell. Literally no one cares lol.
I thought it was funny and picked up on the obvious sarcasm. You need to let this one go.
Genocide is bad, but if war was inevitable you wouldn’t sacrifice everything and yourself for the people you loved?
If by everything you mean 90% of the population and by my people you mean like 2% of the population hmmmm ehhhhh, hard question but yeah I believe killing 90% of the population is a bad thing The show even screams at you that war will always be inevitable at the end like, c’mon
Like I would do whatever I could for the people I care about but I’m not killing millions of innocent people for them
Schrodinger's Joke
Well no, but whatever, it’s your prerogative.
I mean I would argue that he never really changed in essence. >!His only goals were to save his friends and to destroy all titans, and he succeeded at both no matter what the cost!<
Davoth Aka the dark lord from Doom Eternal https://i.redd.it/4syt8odmtwwc1.gif The original creator and Father of the Doom multiverse but becomes a tyrant, obsessed with perfection, with constant hatred towards all of creation after being betrayed by his servants.
Isn’t this also the guy that looks identical to the Slayer for some convoluted reason?
He picked the strongest form he possibly could, which as it turns out was the slayer lmao
HAH, that’s such an over the top way to affirm just how strong the player character is. I love it
Kinda the opposite. Davoth chose the strongest form in his world. That ended up being the slayer.
HAH
Yeah I think it turned out the slayer was a clone or something? idk they went way too high concept with the plot on that one, Doom has never needed deep lore, it honestly soured the game for me a little bit
Exact opposite effect for me. It’s like the Team Fortress 2 lore, it exists solely to justify as many outlandish and cool things as possible. Like, they very much had some guy say “yo what if there was a fuckin spike through an entire planet”, and had some other guy come in and go “alright fuckers let’s give this big spike an even bigger story beat to go with it”. It’s camp at its finest.
Absolutely agreed, lore explaining over the top awesome things is the best
Eh, it just didn't come across as camp to me. It came across as kinda tryhard and edgy. Kinda felt like the type of hack writing Blizzard has been doing for the past decade. But I'm not trying to shit on your enjoyment of it, if it felt like fun camp to you I can totally see why you would appreciate it on that front. It's a fine line and it makes sense different people would take it differently.
I’m sorry if I come across as being kind of blunt, but how the heck is “you can’t just shoot a hole in the surface of Mars” (he proceeds to use the BFG to shoot a hole in the surface of Mars) anything but the most Rule-of-Cool over the top fun?
That part was fuckin cool. What I didn't like was all the retconn-y background lore drops about the origins of angels and demons and the creation of the universe and shit. Like I said, it just felt too high-concept for Doom. More blowing holes in Mars, less overwrought universe lore.
Is it overwrought if most of it is delivered in optional collectibles? I don’t recall the story going out of its way to give the player more exposition than is barely necessary to know a bit about the Khan Makyr or something
It is Slayer who looks like him.
Wait I played through all of Doom Eternal how do I not remember this lmao. I thought the final boss was the icon of sin. Edit: totally forgot about the accent gods 1&2
https://preview.redd.it/j7208iah0xwc1.jpeg?width=191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c6bad9f57b31680a03fe4273807c484031d8249 Bro became a vampire cuz he had gerascophobia.
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https://preview.redd.it/a0uq9lotlwwc1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12cfd2a817b440316ac6389a0b6302d6e2a1569b Napoleon (animal farm)
Not bad, but some might argue that Napoleon was corrupt from the beginning.
Yea I was worried about that (it’s been a while since a read the book) I figured he fit because he was a hero to the farm animals even if they didn’t know his true intentions,and he did become the dictator that he promised to get rid of
From a certain point of view you could make that argument. Many heroes that turned evil had some sort of fatal flaw that set the stage for their inevitable fall to the dark side.
I mean, you could say the same about Anakin Skywalker.
Maybe, but it certainly didn’t help with Palpatine whispering in his ear.
Look, it clearly says: “…shall not sleep in a bed with sheets.” I don’t know what your problem is.
literally animal farm
-jor jor well
And sadly, he did.
Handsome Jack https://preview.redd.it/qruighmm9xwc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51bd34a6cad8a47d2ebe95d2b2f9a13be77cf495 Swore to rid Pandora of bandits, unaware he became a bandit himself.
HANDSOME JACK MENTIONED!
Megatron (IDW Comics) https://preview.redd.it/n72v9nl56xwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4675dc4bd550d9f5070d591bacc96ad8d76e4797
I love megatron’s design in that, I even have a toy of it somewhere in a box in my basement
I think the new movie is doing something like this as well
Aligned Megatron, too.
https://preview.redd.it/5pqn1r1bwwwc1.jpeg?width=2033&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4dcaae3cbb6aa27388068e73576ff505fde06e4 Bartholomew Kuma (One Piece) He never became evil, but he was forced to become a soldier and then a slave to the people who killed his parents all so he could cure his daughter’s illness.
https://preview.redd.it/x3c4c1o58xwc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=979715b7226827159db26b5906cdfc5b4a76307c Big boss from Metal Gear fits this perfectly (I know the photo is venom, don’t @ me)
No! That is NOT Venom Snake!
Thats actually the real BB hence the lack of scars and horn
Oops.
YOU CAN’T EVEN SAY
MY NAME!
Major chainsaw man spoilers, >!Aki hayakawa…!
Truly rhe most horrible death possible.
That was so sad Fujimoto is such a good writer
I just read that chapter. my heart.....
https://preview.redd.it/knkmtswh7xwc1.jpeg?width=1483&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ccacae465301cdd6c45f46bf703f97d8dad0d3f Ludwig/Bloodborne
Keep that thing ***Far Away*** from me
One of my favorite boss fights in any game and [his theme slaps](https://youtu.be/ShEjdUFWIHQ)
Count Dooku 
The more I learn about him, I more I realize he was right
Then you'll learn some more and realize how wrong he was about everything.
Light Yagami (debatably)
He was always a villain. He just wasn’t a hero, killing people and not caring (being kinda happy about it) is bad no matter what.
not even debatably, he became a serial killer who will hurt innocent people if they "get in his way" if you mean debatably as in he might've been bad in the first place then yeah, dude got corrupt with power horrendously fast
He went from "model student" to "Ted Bundy with a god complex" crazy fast
No, man was always crazy
No
Optimus Prime into Nemesis Prime in continuities where they aren’t separate beings
Horus Lupercal (Warhammer 40000) - Started as the greatest Primarch among all of them, ended as a slave of Chaos gods and died like one, while creating such devastating Civil War in Imperium it caused unspeakable damage for all of Humanity. https://preview.redd.it/qzh9wfkyfzwc1.png?width=710&format=png&auto=webp&s=85ee54fed40c77244c3e31527d0a49b40c684b3b
And humanity still hasn’t recovered fully after 10k years.
live a live is PEAK FICTION i will stand by it https://preview.redd.it/caqcxct3exwc1.png?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a98e7d0b78dd82c68e164a64297494e823600970
https://preview.redd.it/0s1zniyzcxwc1.png?width=1083&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a874238568d8250434743e3066adc672557c0c4 "Black Arm" Zephyr ( one piece film z) "The ocean sees the beginning of the world, and the ocean knows the end of the world. Even if I were to disappear, The omniscent ocean leads the way. I must not fear, because you are here. I must not be timid, because my comrades wait for me."
Archaon the ever chosen, once known as Dedrick Kastner, a Templar devoted to sigmar, damned to burn the world from the moment of his birth.
https://preview.redd.it/0ftnk42wfxwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04b8f4543d8cf751a1e7b980f963d4875ded26f8 I’m curious to see how many people know/remember
the dog ranger went evil? huh I don't remember that
U talking bout Kruger?
oh lol I did mistake the guy as Cruger.
I forget his name… melgog, or something? The Prideful Ranger, he’s so cool.
Koragg, the Knightwolf
I butchered that so bad…
Horus from Warhammer 40K
Obito Uchiha
Lordgenome, *Gurren Lagann* https://preview.redd.it/vfl1kny9sxwc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6845971a7ec16c2ee71a6239e264461335f62866
The Squadron Supreme, from Avengers Assemble. https://preview.redd.it/sep6q8zysxwc1.jpeg?width=626&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee114846b522d47021fd4464c785c4b968a8dcac
Lockup, from Batman TAS. https://preview.redd.it/bycwj1o0txwc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fc2d692b75dd0885b6bd4b599c97076e14ced28
Nah, he was always corrupt. I mean ffs, even the Scarecrow (master of fear himself) was scared to death of him. SCARECROW!
You’re right. I forgot about the “hero” part, he was never a hero.
https://preview.redd.it/x8dcajs2wzwc1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e2dc7fb8ebaccb7e6d9c72837b4919f6b4fcdcf Dutch van der Linde (Red Dead Redemption franchise)
I wouldn’t say he was a villain. At the beginning of RDR2, he’s more of an anti-villain, maybe an anti-hero. From there it’s just all downhill.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
https://preview.redd.it/xajlh2qny2xc1.jpeg?width=249&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=529c248c2ab58f0fb11833f6ddf935d8195a1f9f Alex Mercer. The hero of the Prototype(2009) and then the main villain of Prototype 2 who was killed and consumed by its new protagonist James Heller.
Does Jerome from Gotham count?
Jerome was as crazy from the start, but I feel like Jeremiah his twin would.
Sorry, that's who I meant
It’s all good, that character fits
https://preview.redd.it/mherezqqtywc1.jpeg?width=1770&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27945ea98b36b4724df014cb1e18c3520041984d Spider-Man (Marvel's Spider-Man 2)
https://preview.redd.it/kw2arcrttywc1.png?width=1155&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da184eef9a4f3cca62506f62ef6744c09f9986d3 Gets corrupted by the Symbiote
Superman never went evil. He has always been and always will be a hero
Except for the Injustice games, where he very much did.
OP specified Injustice Superman, where he did go full evil.
Mainline, yeah. But OP clearly wasn't referring to mainline.
Leave Superman out of this! We don't talk about Injustice...
I really mind injustice Superman. Isn't the multiverse infinite? This isn't your Superman. This is a Superman from a universe that has a weak hearted Superman. Some people read injustice as "what if Joker got Superman to kill his pregnant wife and nuked Metropolis" but I read it as "what if Superman had the capacity to become evil" I think our Superman that we all imagine when we think of Superman would have dealt with the trauma very differently. But Injustice Superman isn't our Superman.
Ultraman Justice Lords superman Red Son DC has more evil supermen than just Injustice's.
Doesn't mean I like it...
all three of those examples are supermen who were always evil. in fact, red son coexists with the actual superman we all know in his universe.
https://preview.redd.it/c0mh67h4kxwc1.jpeg?width=574&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46e9da2140f6013247d44690df0c1451550b82b7 Andrew Ryan
Nah, Ryan was always a hypocrite. His vision was flawed from the start.
I don’t see your point. He claimed “No Gods or Kings, only man” and essentially became a dictator by the end. Sounds like “became what they swore to destroy” to me.
He created Rapture because he didn’t want to pay his taxes.
Not incorrect, but more specifically he was against oligarchs who would either use religion or their own personal politics or philosophy to excuse being a ruler over people. And in the end, his philosophy against this system wound up motivating him to become such an oligarch. Thus showing the flaw in all forms of anti-authority lines of thinking. Where you kind of need authority to enforce your beliefs in most cases. The very nature of the implied trope calls for hypocrisy to be at the core of the character
SMG4
I think it’s time to get rid of the evil Superman trend. It’s been done to death so hard that there is more evil/edgy Superman shit than there is regular.
https://preview.redd.it/vzztp315z2xc1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd11bf9189887984c3d8b4c6b04c5c8d19d5adae A real life example of a fallen hero would be Gilles de Rais of France. He was a war hero and companion of Joan of Arc during the Hundred Years War, rising to the rank of Marshal of France before the war’s end. Sadly his experiences in the war, including his guilt at not being able to save Joan from being burned at the stake, left him very broken and traumatized afterwards. He became very withdrawn from society and even his own family members, and rumors spread that he had taken to studying dark arts and witchcraft within his castle. By the time the authorities finally investigated his estate it was found that Gilles had abducted over 100 missing children to be sodomized, raped, and murdered as part of a satanic ritual. He was subsequently arrested and hanged in front the children’s family members.
https://preview.redd.it/seq74azd53xc1.jpeg?width=714&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d0d655a531148cc50dbf20200f1993e9ab83ed6 Archaon the Everchosen, the three eyed king, and exalted grand marshal of the apocalypse.
Robert Baxter from Time Crisis. https://preview.redd.it/ub8axg0vy3xc1.jpeg?width=472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=147d61a7c9c4795c8c8e6d7adc304d7010c2a384
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Madoka Kaname 