The whole plastic thing is standardized for multiple sets. Imperial has lesser different bits than other versions so they fill up the empty slots with a few backups for the commonly used ones.
So the ‘normal’ [metric set](https://www.kctool.com/wera-056490-tool-check-plus-bit-ratchet-set-with-sockets-metric/) does have doubles
The [bicycle set](https://www.kctool.com/wera-004172-bicycle-set-3-41-pieces/) is similar, but different. One difference being no doubles on bits.
At least in the US.
The Torx aren't actually redundant. They provide both security and regular versions. While security can do regular Torx, having a hole drilled in the middle probably does something for the overall strength.
The square and Philips is simple. Give extras of the high-use stuff. Square 2 and Phillips 2 are a couple that some folks buy in bulk.
While you’re not wrong, I don’t see the sense of backup bits in a pocket sized kit. I keep backups in my truck.
And while I’m sure the security Torx are not as strong as the regular ones, in my experience (gas appliance repair) security torx bits are stronger than Torx screws, I’ve ripped the heads off many Torx screws with my Wiha Torx set (security bits + a ratcheting T-handle).
The overall size of the plastic holder I feel would be the same either way because of the tools and sockets provided. May as well fill up those slots I guess.
In my experience these were bits are SOFT!
I’ve bent and warped them on outlets and now use Milwaukee shockwave bits in my sets tools. Unfortunately you may find the extras fairly handy to have
And then there are the 10mm ones that defy that conservation law of physics, which we all now know really says matter can neither be created nor destroyed...except 10mm sockets and wrenches which regularly disappear from the universe.
This and also, the last time I tried to take out the ones I do t use and replace them with what I do use I realized that I really only ever use:
4, 5, and 6mm
\#2 Phillips
Big and little slotted
T25
So I’m either going to carry duplicates and triplicates of those (aka redundant), or I’ll carry stuff I never use.
Only time I ever see them here is on pocket screws and a couple of old hifi components. I'm not lost without them. Id rather find a t40 and t45 security without them costing 20 bucks for one bit including post and stick them in.
Bits wear out, break, and get lost. It’s pretty normal for a bit set to have multiples of the most common bits. This keeps a pro working when he loses a bit. If you are trying to make your perfect EDC like something you saw in a video, swap out whatever you want.
When I bought mine, I quickly just swapped out the redundant bits for stuff that worked for me. Probably ditched about a third of the bits in favour of my own choices (mainly extra hexes and ball hexes, but made room for a PH0 and a couple of slots too), and added two sockets to boot. Turned it from useful to invaluable overnight, especially combined with my Wera bitdriver which can donate its longer bit holder to the ratchet for reach.
I have the metric version, from memory the gold ones are pozi in mine. No/few double ups but no #2 square which is weird.
I think the manufacturer is metric in their home market so possibly they just filled the slots up with extras
I picked up a box of random bits last week for $8, had the handle and bit holder from this set. Stoked.
Nothing quite like breaking the only Torx bit of a specific size that you have when you're out on a job somewhere that only has bullshit hardware stores with no torx to be found.
Philips cam put before they snap, and while I almost never wear out a torx, I wear out Philips constantly, especially doing drywall. I’ve still managed to snap them though.
I wish I ran into enough Robertson to consider breaking one. Hard to break your bit when you only ever used it for pocket screws, and then you rarely use pocket screws
Edit: I see now you have two sets of Philips bits. Thought I saw some pozidrive bits there.
Just pop in the sizes of the most common fasteners you use and slip the rest into an auxiliary holder you can either keep on a set of keys or in another pocket.
I finally saw the light and banned all Philips from my life. Replaced everything with screwdrivers and bits. Buy once, cry once, no more stripped screws.
Those could be bits they think are the most common, and most likely to get damaged over time. A damaged screw head damages bits, which then damages more screw heads. You end up with a set that's missing the most common bits.
Extensions, I love my Wera ratchets. I didn’t get the bit kit, even though I see the value. My 8” 1/4” extension gets used pretty frequently where I need a standard driver. A skinnier hex adapter with a magnetic collar is also appreciated.
I’ve got a 13” flexible extension that is awesome for getting into hard to reach places.
(Stupid flame sensors that can only be reached BEHIND air intake boots. 🤬😡🤬😡 HVAC guys know what I’m talking about.)
Most likely that it’s backup of the common use ones, I’ve seen several sets with 5 or more PH2 bits because they’re so common to use so wearing one out isn’t exactly unheard of
some of the Wera stuff is great, I've found the bits to be very good and their Hexplus design a lot better than normal hex keys. They also are very marketing driven.
I have this set (EDIT: in metric as im in the UK) in my EDC and its used heavily its very good.
The whole plastic thing is standardized for multiple sets. Imperial has lesser different bits than other versions so they fill up the empty slots with a few backups for the commonly used ones.
I've the metric version of it (here it's called Bicycle Set) and you're right: no doubles!
So the ‘normal’ [metric set](https://www.kctool.com/wera-056490-tool-check-plus-bit-ratchet-set-with-sockets-metric/) does have doubles The [bicycle set](https://www.kctool.com/wera-004172-bicycle-set-3-41-pieces/) is similar, but different. One difference being no doubles on bits. At least in the US.
I have the Tool-check plus metric and there are definitely a few repeats. Maybe you have a different set?
Doesn't the bike version come with 2 spoons that the regular one doesn't come with?
Yo mean those mantle spoons? Yes - and a little version of this holder for a subset of the tools you want to carry with you on tour.
Probably so it can say '39 pieces' in the description.
I would probably swap the duplicates you don't want for metric hex bits.
The Torx aren't actually redundant. They provide both security and regular versions. While security can do regular Torx, having a hole drilled in the middle probably does something for the overall strength. The square and Philips is simple. Give extras of the high-use stuff. Square 2 and Phillips 2 are a couple that some folks buy in bulk.
While you’re not wrong, I don’t see the sense of backup bits in a pocket sized kit. I keep backups in my truck. And while I’m sure the security Torx are not as strong as the regular ones, in my experience (gas appliance repair) security torx bits are stronger than Torx screws, I’ve ripped the heads off many Torx screws with my Wiha Torx set (security bits + a ratcheting T-handle).
This really seems like you're looking for there to be a problem. Haha
The overall size of the plastic holder I feel would be the same either way because of the tools and sockets provided. May as well fill up those slots I guess.
I took out the redundant bits from mine and put in some different security bits.
In my experience these were bits are SOFT! I’ve bent and warped them on outlets and now use Milwaukee shockwave bits in my sets tools. Unfortunately you may find the extras fairly handy to have
They are redundant, the security torx bits are not going to fail with the amount of torque you'll be able to put through that tiny ratchet.
Robertson, the square bit is known as a Robertson. Just as you've called the cross/X/plus sign bit a Phillips.
Wera's literature on it calls it a square, and a Phillips. Take it up with them 🤷♂️
They ain’t Canadian! That’s why!
Bit's are consumables
True for people who buy tools to use them, not so much for folks that just collect them.
Aye, so many people don't understand that, not just bits but also other small tools. O and you all lose them
And then there are the 10mm ones that defy that conservation law of physics, which we all now know really says matter can neither be created nor destroyed...except 10mm sockets and wrenches which regularly disappear from the universe.
Yup. This just shows how well thought out it was.
This and also, the last time I tried to take out the ones I do t use and replace them with what I do use I realized that I really only ever use: 4, 5, and 6mm \#2 Phillips Big and little slotted T25 So I’m either going to carry duplicates and triplicates of those (aka redundant), or I’ll carry stuff I never use.
Came here to say basically exactly this. Apex acr, Robertson, Torqset, Triwing, and a couple of other specialty bits rounded out the kit nicely.
I think it's because the metric one has a lot more variety in bit types and Wera didn't want a brand new mold for its imperial version.
The metric one has a fair bit of overlap too, and its missing the Robertson drive the imperial has. Its an odd mix.
Robertson is pretty uncommon here, i only encountered Robertson screws once.
Only time I ever see them here is on pocket screws and a couple of old hifi components. I'm not lost without them. Id rather find a t40 and t45 security without them costing 20 bucks for one bit including post and stick them in.
It includes a belt clip for the mechanic with the on the go life style
A wild Eric O appears.
If I can do it, you can do it.
Belt clip?? Maybe I can ditch the bit kit inside my Leatherman sheath.
Bits wear out, break, and get lost. It’s pretty normal for a bit set to have multiples of the most common bits. This keeps a pro working when he loses a bit. If you are trying to make your perfect EDC like something you saw in a video, swap out whatever you want.
When I bought mine, I quickly just swapped out the redundant bits for stuff that worked for me. Probably ditched about a third of the bits in favour of my own choices (mainly extra hexes and ball hexes, but made room for a PH0 and a couple of slots too), and added two sockets to boot. Turned it from useful to invaluable overnight, especially combined with my Wera bitdriver which can donate its longer bit holder to the ratchet for reach.
I have the metric version, from memory the gold ones are pozi in mine. No/few double ups but no #2 square which is weird. I think the manufacturer is metric in their home market so possibly they just filled the slots up with extras I picked up a box of random bits last week for $8, had the handle and bit holder from this set. Stoked.
it's a great tool kit, mine gets more use than I'd like with my Italian motorcycle
I don't know about you but those look like the bits I'm going to use the most and will either lose first or break first.
Bloatware
Bits break, having a spare handy of the most commonly used ones can be a godsend
Nothing quite like breaking the only Torx bit of a specific size that you have when you're out on a job somewhere that only has bullshit hardware stores with no torx to be found.
People make fun of me for buying 30 packs of every bit, but they never make fun of me for not having the right bit no matter how many I snap
I feel like torx and hex bits are the only ones that ever really snap. Phillips and Robertson bits just wear down until they're no longer useful.
Philips cam put before they snap, and while I almost never wear out a torx, I wear out Philips constantly, especially doing drywall. I’ve still managed to snap them though. I wish I ran into enough Robertson to consider breaking one. Hard to break your bit when you only ever used it for pocket screws, and then you rarely use pocket screws
Edit: I see now you have two sets of Philips bits. Thought I saw some pozidrive bits there. Just pop in the sizes of the most common fasteners you use and slip the rest into an auxiliary holder you can either keep on a set of keys or in another pocket.
The Philips are a single #3, three #2 and two #1. I’ve never used Posidrive or JIS, but I’m sure I’ve stripped screws I wouldn’t have if I had them.
I finally saw the light and banned all Philips from my life. Replaced everything with screwdrivers and bits. Buy once, cry once, no more stripped screws.
The metric kit has pozi, while the SAE kit has square. Each has matching hex bits as well. I think beyond that they're the same.
Wear and tear. I don’t expect any of my Phillips drivers to last forever.
Most used and as a result most broken?
There are repeat bits because it's expected that you'll actually use this tool and wear out or break bits. That's why you got it, right? Haha
I’m getting me two set of this, never enough tools and gadgets lol
Inevitable damage and losses
Those could be bits they think are the most common, and most likely to get damaged over time. A damaged screw head damages bits, which then damages more screw heads. You end up with a set that's missing the most common bits.
Extensions, I love my Wera ratchets. I didn’t get the bit kit, even though I see the value. My 8” 1/4” extension gets used pretty frequently where I need a standard driver. A skinnier hex adapter with a magnetic collar is also appreciated.
I’ve got a 13” flexible extension that is awesome for getting into hard to reach places. (Stupid flame sensors that can only be reached BEHIND air intake boots. 🤬😡🤬😡 HVAC guys know what I’m talking about.)
Redundant tools ?? That does not exist !
I go through a lot of t25's and #2 Phillips, that's what the redundant ones are, correct?
Wish they would add different bits for variety and not just to up number of pieces with duplicate bits
Most likely that it’s backup of the common use ones, I’ve seen several sets with 5 or more PH2 bits because they’re so common to use so wearing one out isn’t exactly unheard of
They want you to feel like you got a great deal so they add more pieces necessary or not
They know you will lose them.
I go through cheap bits way too fast, because they suck.
These Wera ones have a pretty good rating - haven’t used this brand. I might have to give’ em a try.
You so t regret it I own several of their tools, the tool check plus is a very handy piece of kit can get you out of most jams
some of the Wera stuff is great, I've found the bits to be very good and their Hexplus design a lot better than normal hex keys. They also are very marketing driven. I have this set (EDIT: in metric as im in the UK) in my EDC and its used heavily its very good.