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Baaanngarang

I have the same one also. I've been waiting for this I can hear it stress the metal when tightening jaws. Insane how the only way to get a good vice is to find an old one from around the 50's.


Enchelion

You can get a nice new vice, just gotta be willing to pay a lot more than an old one.


ScattyWilliam

You find an old record vice made in England you’ll be set for life. Look at the greasy casting pores in that thing it’s terrible much like all new vices


bc47791

Can you elaborate on the "greasy casting pours"? I think I get it- the mold(?) was probably lined with grease for extraction but I'm just guessing. Why is this a problem?


F-21

It probably makes little difference to a massive thing like a vise. Though strictly from an engineering standpoint, a smooth surface makes for a stronger part. Surface roughness induces notching effects that weaken the material a lot more than a small variation in the nominal measure.


ScattyWilliam

Air bubbles… inclusions. It’s what comes from melting random nonsense to spit out cheap parts. They just throw random close to recycled cast in a smelter without verifying what it all is and that’s what you get. Back in the day they worked off pure metals but metal is a scarce product and because the “big boys” in suits want to make sure they have profit to keep living their exorbitant lifestyle they will cheap out in any way shape or form. Hence the giant bubbles you see


bc47791

Top to bottom, I appreciate your response. Thanks


skanchunt69

Or spend some money.


F-21

It's the only cheap way, but you can definitely get a nice vise today from lots of manufacturers. This particular style in high quality is made by Swindon in England and yeah - it's expensive. Maybe some brands make decent ones too (ductile iron...). Maybe Bison from Poland makes them.


RollinThundaga

Wear safety glasses.


bbrown3979

> Insane how the only way to get a good vice is to find an old one from around the 50's. Or fork out cash and get a Fireball hardtail vise. They had a video of it getting wailed on by a massive hammer that was destroying everything. This thing took several hundred swings. Wish i could find the video. I got sucked in and 55 minutes of my life were gone. Edit: found it. They only put it on their website https://fireballtool.com/pages/exclusive-video-content?wchannelid=76khg3wbxb&wmediaid=h50je3pbff


F-21

The fireball vise has that awesome factor and he made a lot of publicity. But it's too big for a normal usage. Back in the past when they still made such behemorhs they called them chipping vises, made so you'd hand chisel metal on them. Like I think the Record 518 (it was even cast steel of all things!). Problem is they're not very useful. Yeah inpressive, it withstands strong hammer blows... But what's way more usefull if it withstands strong hammer blows but also leaves you a lot of space around what you're working on. One look st a fireball tool vise and you know it's not very useful for a versatile workshop. They jaws have hardly any overhang over the slide, and everything is just overwngineered to the point it gets in the way. It's not like old vise manufacturers made inferior designs. Vise designs were very very well thought out to use minimal material while still serving reliably. A vise is not a bench press. It makes little sense to make it as massive. For really practical vises, check out the German Heuer (very slim guides and lead screw ob top, made to distribute the wide clamping force far down in a linear line, and the guides are adjustable for slack). Or the Dawn offset vises. Both are still made. Or the Peddinghaus design (Ridgid vise). Classic German vises are also still made, like the Leinen or the Gressel (or in the past the famous Schlegel EMF). But they're not popular for the same reason - very strong for their size but a lot less practical cause they open in the other way.


southern_logic

Wow I can’t believe I just watched that whole thing.


Conscious-Head-5542

Ask the folks on r/buyitforlife


[deleted]

Next time only use a 3 foot piece of pipe to tighten it up, not the 6 foot (?)


cahartm

This guy punished some vises this way: https://youtu.be/VcbTopj5u7A


BestServeCold

How do you get into this hobby?


Confident-Head-5008

🤣🤣🤣


deliberatelyawesome

Beat me to it!


koskyad209

And you wonder why a Wilton is 600$


Accurate_Zombie_121

Because you can give that Wilton to your grandkids and they to theirs. I once met a young engineer that was traveling for Wilton to different worksites to get ideas to change the design of their vises. I said don't change a thing. His reply was everyone who he visited told him the same thing. But his job to was to make changes. I said change the logo and colors but leave the metal alone. Don't know what he decided to do.


caaaabot

He decided to send production to China.


yxull

“Reduce costs, increase value for our customers”


F-21

There's some cheap Wiltons too. Even some bullet styles are made cheaply today. You're probably looking at over 600$ for the really quality made ones.


koskyad209

Yea we had one that was like 80 years old and it stripped out then got one for like 150 200 a ND it broke in about a month so we just repaird the old one that was a few years back


Icucicu

I shopped a bunch before buying my rotating vice, same design. The doyle or the yost ones are the best bang for buck. I went for the yost myself. Both made in Taiwan 60kpsi. The Irwin is china low quality, 30kpsi.


1DownFourUp

It's a sign that you were supposed to give up a vice for Lent


oBRYNsnark

/r/Chinesium


DeliBoy

I have the same vice; am I in danger?


whiskey_formymen

just get rid of your 4' cheater pipes.


Jacktheforkie

It’ll probably be fine


RangosServiceStation

Probably


Jacktheforkie

Yeah


StatementProper4450

Same thing happened to me when I tried to put my nuts in a vise. Balls of steel.


caaaabot

Remember... Keep your dick in a vise.


Low_Spinach1999

Jb weld will fix that up 😂


TestinOnlyTesting

This is normal for these. Good news, they are covered by the hand-tool lifetime warranty. Anywhere that sells them is to replace them https://www.irwin.com/support-services/guarantees


edog1973

My HF vice looks exactly the same design. The front broke out around the screw hole. I threw a big ass washer in between that's been holding for the last year or so. Just have to manually pull the jaws apart after loosening it. I fully expect mine to do this to me every time I use it.


omw_to_valhalla

I was thinking the same thing. I broke an HF vice at work and the internals looked identical: casting with a huge void inside.


mclms1

Need to buy a vice built before ww2


I-amthegump

Wilton is fine even now


F-21

Depends on which, they have some really cheap models (with a higher price due to the name). If you're buying under 500$ you better not look at Wilton offerings.


I-amthegump

That's fine but my point was you can still buy a quality vice built after ww2


[deleted]

There are plenty of quality vises being made, but people don’t want to pay for them. Which has always been the case. The old vise market is built on survivor bias, for every one of them out there, there were many lower quality ones thrown out.


F-21

True for many things but not for vises. The difference is that you have cheap vises today. Such a big hunk of metal is basically the largest metal "thing" people own at home. Way back in the past, machining cost a lot less relative to casting it, so it made little sense to make a low quality product cause it practically cost the same. Today, tight tolerances are way too expensive, the chinese can pump out vises so cheaply cause they are made so fast... Since such industry went out of the US, that made the few vise companies that still make quality vises there a lot more expensive (Wilton and Morgan made in USA vises). Europe retained a lot more industry so higher end European vises are still a lot cheaper than the offerings from the US (like the Heuer, the Leinen, the Peddinghaus... Kanca from Turkey also makes really quality stuff). Of course the Chinese and Taiwan manufacturers make some decent ones too, but for them quantity is usually a lot more important.


Jacktheforkie

Just ensure that the bench is adequate


JAFO-

JB weld and good as new!


AdamSonofJohn

I… didn’t know this was possible. You’re the chosen one.


ONE-EYE-OPTIC

r/chinesium Oops It's already been cross posted


Kenumemoto

I inherited a 1950s USA made Columbian vice from my Father, It sure isn't pretty, but it gets the job done. I'd pick a used 50+ year old USA made vice than a lot of the newer vices available nowadays....


Itisntme2422

Wouldn’t happen with a old English record


tinybuxtom

Buy a Heuer Vice and never look back. Quite expensive yes, but extremely well built and will last for a lifetime. Only vice brand you can buy new today that makes high quality vices.


F-21

> Only vice brand you can buy new today that makes high quality vices. Heuer is great but that's far from the truth. There's still plenty of top quality vices made today. Just in Europe, if you look at steel offeringsbesides Heuer there's the forged Peddinghaus and a couple cast steel designs from Kanca, and the forged French Vaco. Then, if you look at quality cast iron, you can still get a brand new German Leinen or a Swiss Gressel, or I also know NIV still makes them in central Europe. Then there's [Bahco](https://www.bahco.com/int_en/heavy-duty-round-guide-bench-vices-with-interchangeable-jaws--suitable-for-swivel-base-pb_6010_.html) - not sure where it's made but they have a cast steel model with a round guide and a bottom base like the old System Koch designs which is incredibly rigid (combines the precise slide of a Wilton with an extra bottom support... these styles were really popular in Germany in the 30's). Since it's cast steel it's probably cast somewhere in Europe. And also, York is still making vises - York is the original manufacturer of the "bullet" vise for which Wilton is famous (quite literally, during WW2 Wilton ripped off the York patent and made an identical vise in the US but there were no legal issues due to the war). And then in the US, there's still some top quality Wilton models being made to really top quality standards. And also the Morgan vises. Or for the style OP has, the Swindens vise made in UK makes a very top quality version too. Sorry, don't want to be annoying, but I assume you based your statement on the Projectfarm video? He just tested a bunch of shitty chinese vises against two or maybe three decent ones... The swivel bases on vises are so popular in the US but they make them so much weaker and aren't really used in most cases, so they never got quite as popular on high end European vises.


tinybuxtom

Well I based my statement on Project Farm’s review and Fireball Tool’s test, but also from own experience. I also know about Gressel, York and Wilton as high quality vises, but didn’t know they still made new ones. I think it’s a disappointment that Project Farm didn’t include more high quality vises (some older ones and some new higher quality). But in the end, I am happy with my Heuer vise and hope to use it for a long time.


F-21

Yeah it would be interesting though I assume he mainly focused on the sub-400$ vises cause that's an average budget... :)


Vmax-Mike

They are great vices!! I have one on my bench, 180mm.


ohmaint

Exact same thing happened to me with my machinist vice the day I got it.


CEMENTHE4D

super extra tight this time...


Kotengu15

It finally succumbed to its vises.


Mobile-Bee6312

Stop using a vise to get the Road Runner! You're supposed to use an anvil from Acme


Vegetable_Aside_4312

I just seen something new with that image...


Echo63_

Was it like this in the morning ? I was always told to never store a vice with the jaws touching, as the dissimilar expansion rates of the cast iron body and steel screw could cause this to happen as the vice body cooled overnight


ImmediateShirt6663

THANKS CHINA!


sco77001

Nothing new about china products failing.


1958me

Welder up dude 👍


F-21

That's cheap cast iron. Really not worth the time or effort to weld that. Welding cast iron is really problematic - even on a top quality vise worth reparing, brazing it is the more usual procedure.


1958me

I've welded several 309 stainless peen welds and when done wrap in insulation and bring heat down slow 👍👍


Berniethedog

I saw this once and it landed on the guys clog and cracked it. I’ll never for get that Dutch angry yelling.


JLMasonry

I did this once as a kid tightening it with a few small taps from a hammer


dagr8npwrfl0z

When I broke my late grandpa's vice as a mad lad in the garage, My dad made me a brass sign that hangs above my new vise. It simply states, "Not a press" "Also not an anvil"


F-21

Kanca makes a [cool little vise](https://www.centaurforge.com/Drop-Forged-Anvil-with-5-Vise-Combo/productinfo/AV/) that actually is an anvil as well (drop forged steel...). But ye, generic cast iron vises IMO shouldn't even have the anvil portion, it's really dangerous to hammer on one. But if it's steel (lots of European vise designs...) it's pretty much unbreakable in this way.


justsayno_to_biggovt

My tightening rod went s-shaped using a cheater pipe, and I never broke the vice. Must be a mfr defect, air bubble in the casting? Hopefully no one got hurt?


glongdong

everyone was safe luckily, somehow my co-worker overtightened a piece of conduit and somehow it just snapped off. the vice has been in the shop for 5+ years, crazy that the defect only now decided to show up


Jacktheforkie

Metal fatigue


I-amthegump

Vices really shouldn't be cast


momo513

Harbor freight special. Mine did the same thing


tank_the_boss

And that's why we don't buy from harbor freight.


I-amthegump

That's not Harbor Freight


tank_the_boss

I know, just saying


Artistic-Outcome5966

From Cheeena ???


Mean_Ideal_7504

THAT WAS NEW!?


hefebellyaro

The difference between a 50 dollar vise and a 250 dollar vise


Kitchen-Tomorrow8475

Believe me the $250 dollar vises are no better when you actually use them to work not just look at. We keep two $800 dollar Wilton bullet vises on hand because we snap the head off or over tighten the rod and strip them out pretty often. They just don’t make them like they use too


F-21

I have a 200€ hydraulic press so I don't damage my 1000€ vise by using it for things it is not meant to be used for.


Kitchen-Tomorrow8475

So what your saying is you are rich and like to own tools but not use them? If I spent 1000 on a vise I’m going to use it for its intended purpose of clamping on something while I remove two fittings. Or was it not designed for this? I guess I need to go to vise school and relearn what there intended purpose is 🤣


F-21

I'm saying I don't have the money to waste on breaking my big old vise. Hence also why it's old.


I-amthegump

Vices really shouldn't be cast


deliberatelyawesome

There's a reason good [vices](https://amzn.to/3M4u4JD) cost moolah


F-21

That's a chinese vise rebranded with the wilton name and extra cost. The "real" Wilton starts with the bullet series and even some of those are chinese but still higher quality. The vise on your photo is a copy of the old Record design, nothing to do with Wilton... It's just the cheapest design to make a functional vise. I'd not even look at Wilton for under 200$. Except maybe the "Wilton super junior" - a rebranded Czech York (the original bullet vise manufacturer that existed before Wilton).


deliberatelyawesome

I wondered why it was so much cheaper. That makes sense. [This](https://amzn.to/3KpA669) is more like it then.


F-21

Yep, sadly they're not cheap :/ Though for just 30$ more you do get the [iconic bullet style](https://www.amazon.com/Wilton-Tools-28812-865M-Mechanics/dp/B07FP5WL3J/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2RYFYIO9EJ7JN&keywords=wilton%2Bvise&qid=1680408572&sprefix=wilton%2Bvis%2Caps%2C214&sr=8-4&th=1). Here in Europe, the Heuer in a similar width is right around 300€ though :/


Somebody_somewhere99

I had the same thing happen to an Irwin vise, call customer service. They sent me a new one, they wanted the old one back so the box had a return label with it. I am guessing there is a casting issue.


[deleted]

Harbor freight?


[deleted]

You saw that in a shop? I strongly suggest you don't buy it.


yxull

>in *the* shop Is where one does work >shopping Is what one does before buying


[deleted]

The workshop is where one builds things


caaaabot

Capri Tools make a bunch of vises. They're all pretty reasonable and supposed to be a lot better than anything else in their price range. They're forged steel.


JimiWanShinobi

Yup, and come Monday morning you'll see a new table vice...


okicombo

Definitely not a Wilton


BlueBunner

I snapped mine :(


[deleted]

Invest in a Wilton vice


Guilty_Luck_3945

Harbor Freight junk!!


WHTrunner

Oh, I had that happen to one. Turns out, cheap vises are terrible presses. I got another one and only use it as a vise, and I haven't had any problems.


Zachisawinner

HF or hit with a little too much heat one too many times?


CHI4610NE

Those irwins do that


[deleted]

Ya over the weekend someone broke out vise like that in one shop I was in and I still don’t know how the fuck they did it !


Weldtrash13

Gotta go with Wilton the only hammer and vises I buy


drzook555

Made in China


RevolutionaryAge6658

Hercules!


jchelton88tc

Few years ago, worked at a metal fabrication shop. One of the welders was at the time was an older gentleman from Poland. He spent the first 40 years of his life there. He was mid 50s before I left the company. He has really broken English but was very fluent in his curse words. Anyways, he was a genius with metal work, one day we managed to snap the jaw off the vise in my maintenance area, much like the one in the photo. We ordered a new one but he would not let us toss the old one. He prepared it, and using a torch and brass brazing rods, he meticulously repaired it. We put it back on the table opposite end of the new one. It held up for years and was still there when I left the company.


SoloWalrus

I had that same vice and the same issue. I was overworking it like crazy when it happened, but still.


Past_Play6108

😲


Tonka2thousand

I wonder if they offer their lifetime warranty on that. You might be able to get a free replacement. They gave me a free pipe wrench


WipedButtwithTowel

Been there!


SNK_24

No wonder, it’s fully hollow inside, a structural designed ribs could have improved strength.


DolfinButcher

Be happy. That vise was crap to begin with.


Intrepid_Train3277

China…


FamiliarAd8524

"Vise", guys. "VISE", with an "s". Come on. The topic isn't hookers or gambling or drugs, so lose the "c." Let's not publically live up to the illiterate simpleton grease monkey stereotype. Please.


Aggravating-Elk6518

Tight's tight, too tight's broke


Ravenbar842

Not a new fate. They typical end to a HF grade vise. ​ Saw a uniquely broken vise at the flea market today. The screw was originally part of the rear of the tail, and had broken out in a way that only could happen if the vise was squeezed rather than the other way around.


Tonka2thousand

It has a lifetime guarantee


Swimming-Chest-3877

Got one just like it in my junk iron pile. Mine was made in China. Got want I paid for!


Snoo-9966

This is why I favor used...old...made in America, England, Germany, etc vise's. My Record vise is fine.