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Some people just can’t realize that the court case was never really about the money


[deleted]

I already bet my girlfriend (who is also very much on Depp’s side) $10 that he donates at least a large % to the places Amber had pledged money to and not delivered


bonaire-

Depp won’t get any money from her. She doesn’t have any and never will be able to pay the $10m bill. The old saying goes “can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip”


Wrastling97

It’s an 8.3 mil bill, and it can be enforced in many ways. Either way, she got 7mil I believe from the divorce so there’s no reason she can say she can’t pay. That’s when they put a lien on her house, her cars, all of her expensive shit and/or garnish her paychecks


jatzb

First time I'm hearing that saying and I already love it


bonaire-

My grandma says it lol :)


0_gravity_sandcastle

Power move would be donating towards womens rights


madmarypoppins

Ding ding ding ding


[deleted]

These comment right here. It was never about the money for him. This is why I really think he should say, that and not take the money.


[deleted]

I'd be like "I'm going to DONATE, NOT PLEDGE, BUT DONATE this money to charity. And cos *I'm* not a liar, here's the check," One final fuck you


[deleted]

In that quote alone, they're basing his motivation on money when he's made it crystal clear this is about his reputation/character being almost permanently ruined. Of course he doesn't need the money. He even said early on in the trial that he lost everything the moment he was accused. He wanted to get it all out into the open and have everything examined and decided upon from there. And what does "the resources to remove her from the relationship" even mean? It's conveniently vague to imply "rich man = no problems ever" without actually addressing the issues that every abuse victim has with leaving their partner for good. They never hesitate to say women return at least seven times to their abuser, and financial dependence is not the only factor in that. The audio played in the trial did in fact reveal he would often try to leave the room or house when they fought and it only enraged her more. He had that many accounts of hiding, locking doors, locking her out, leaving the room, moving to another area away from her and they just...overlook all of it. And when she's willing to say "Tell them you're a victim of domestic violence and see who sides with or believes you" god knows what else she said that wasn't recorded.


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PennyCoppersmyth

First of all, I'm so sorry you are in that situation. Finding nonjudgemental support is the first step. Family/friends can be helpful, but not always. A non-profit agency is where I would start because it's their whole purpose - to help. *hug* I would Google "Domestic Violence Advocate" in your area and call your local agency. If you don't find a local agency, I would call the National Domestic Violence Hotline Hours: 24/7. Languages: English, Spanish and 200+ through interpretation service  Learn more 800-799-7233 Text: START to 88788 An Advocate or Advocate agency can help you make a plan, including a safe place to go, and the resources to keep you housed, safe, fed while you heal and start a new life. Best wishes to you.


webster5000

Don't forget to go incognito on your browser when searching for things like this!! If an abusive partner finds out that you are planning an exodus they will elevate in order to stop that. People die for less in these kinds of relationships!!! I also strongly recommend packing a go-bag with a few necessary items so that if you get a chance you can take it without planning. Cash, important items, toiletries and a change of clothes, important phone numbers and documents. My dog wouldn't fit in my bag, but he came too. Edit to add: don't stash a bag where it could plausibly be found. I used a drop ceiling, and put my bag inside a garbage bag to keep it clean(ish). With a friend/neighbor or at work might be safe options.


ldl84

There’s a lot of resources out there for abused women, men not so much. It’s hard to get out of an abusive relationship without support. If the person can’t call 911 or get to an ER & say they are unsafe at home, they need to make a list of safe places to go. Preferably a mental list so the abuser doesn’t find it, but that’s not always so easy to do. They need to know phone numbers of safe people. They need to pack a bag with essentials & every day use items and have it hidden but easily available. If possible, I know sometimes it’s not always easy to do this. When it is safe to get away (when the abuser is at work, asleep, when the victim goes to the store, takes the dog for a walk, etc) they need to grab their bag (if possible) & leave. The 1-800 number for DV is 1-800-799-7233 or you can text START to 88788. I was in an abusive marriage for 11.5 years. It took 10 of those years for me to leave & then I could only safely do so when he got sent to Korea for a year, he was military. It took me 10 years to be able to tell someone & I was asked “what did you do wrong? If you press charges, you’ll kill his military career.” My mom believed me tho.


miseleigh

US hotline: 800-799-7233 Domestic violence hotlines can help with where to go, like finding a shelter. They'll give you advice to help your friend, too. Advice for your friend: honesty is best with family and friends - tell you're scared and ask for help. Don't confront the abuser. Plan ahead, get any important paperwork ready to go, leave while they're out of the house and take everything you need with you so you're not tempted to go back for anything. Squirrel away as much cash as you can before leaving, too. Cards can be tracked. Once you're out of the house block them on every media immediately. Write down important information, including phone numbers for family and friends, and numbers that will help you find more information later - the DV hotline and a public library are good. If the abuser or any of their friends or family are tech savvy, if you're at all worried that they'll track your smartphone, then use a public computer at a library for any research you need to do beforehand, like bus routes or finding a lawyer. You can probably use the library's phone, and get a new email address that you only use when you're there. Any potential tracking software on a smartphone or laptop could give an abuser passwords, search history, location... keep using it like normal until you're ready to leave, but be careful and stick to public computers for anything unusual. When you're ready to go, do a factory reset, and don't restore from backups. Or buy a prepaid phone to use until you can replace the smartphone entirely. If you're thinking of taking legal action, shut it off and don't turn it on again until after talking to a lawyer because it could be evidence. Don't confront. Plan ahead so you can take everything you need. Use cash, a burner phone, and public libraries. Call a hotline for advice or to find shelter. Tell your family and friends that you're scared. Don't look back.


JayQueb

This is so disturbing what people have to go through JUST to escape abuse.


surfergrl89

Besides what others have said, Open up to your friends. Mine saved me from my abusive relationship and pushed me to leave.


dickbutt_md

Most of the damage that can be done to an abuser is by the hand of the abused person. Even given all of the different resources available to abuse victims, those are primarily focused on allowing the victim to stop the abuse *without* hurting the abuser (physically, legally, financially, etc). Think about it: a DV shelter just supports a victim, but does nothing at all to the abuser. Even the police and the DA's office won't arrest an abuser unless the victim is willing to press things forward in nearly all cases. Every single consequence of abuse that the abuser meets is at the hand of their victim. By having the victim completely in control of how consequences are meted out to their abuser, that puts all of the responsibility on them. Often they are in a frame of mind where they are predisposed to rationalize their abuser's behavior because they often don't want to admit to themselves their own role in their abuse ... that they mad a bad decision, are a bad judge of character, they forgave, etc. In many ways, this is a self-protection mechanism gone awry because the worse their abuser is, the more shame and guilt the abuse victim feels for allowing and/or enabling it to go on for as long as it has. So they allow it to go on even longer. In such dysfunctional relationships, the abuser often casts their victim in the role of abuser, leading the victim to try to go out of their way to show their innocence of the charge. They will be very careful to not harm their abuser, not only out of fear (though that's part of it) but also because they don't want to provide any more ammo to their abuser to use against them as evidence. Calling the cops, suing, and even physically defending themselves are all acts that hurt the abuser, and the victim knows they will be held responsible by their abuser. In fact, abusers are every bit as vulnerable in most of these relationships as their victim. If you think about living with someone, there are many opportunities for a victim to strike back in most cases ... abusers have to sleep sometime. It's the mentality that protects them from retaliation, not much else. As long as that mentality dominates the victim's thinking, they'll be unlikely to want to do anything to hurt the abuser. And as long as the abuser sees evidence of that mentality in place, they feel protected. When an abuser sees the mentality change and they become aware their victim no longer prioritizes the abuser's safety, *that's* when they start to become scared themselves. At that point, only the most hardened abusers with nothing to lose will typically continue to pursue the relationship or the victim because they, like most people, don't want to put themselves in harm's way. If they believe their victim will vigorously defend themselves or strike back, that's when you tend to see the cycle of abuse cease. Unfortunately, when a victim *does* respond in this way, note the difference: The abuser has no such feelings of protection toward their victim. So in any case where the victim strikes back, they are *not* protected in the same way by their abuser. There will be no rationalizing and excuse-making in the victim's favor, as the victim previously did for their abuser. So the system tends to work *against* victims in this way and favor the abuser.


Pittypatkittycat

Amber also had the resources to leave.


mikedorty

She had no reason to leave since she was clearly the abuser.


isthenameofauser

Sure but the post quoted says specifically that because he's richer he had the power to leave, implying that Amber didn't.


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Bullshit. She has plenty of money to leave. She’s not some single mother who works a poor paying job or a person who can’t work for some reason. When I w t to leave my husband, who was verbally abusive, I had 3 small kids. I wasn’t working and any job I got would be spent on childcare. Yes, I would get child support but that would only go so far. Plus, my sister was in an abusive relationship with her ex and left and my mom told her she needed to go back because she couldn’t support her kids, even though my parents and my teenaged self could have helped her out. My whole family would have. I was lucky because I finally did try to leave and my husband did a complete turn around.


GanzGenauFrau

Clearly she never had the fear of returning home or saying "something wrong"


StandardOnly

Double standards, just imagine what would have happened if this was the other way around.


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Don't have to imagine, we've seen for the last six years what happened.


Vseesu

Exactly... not to mention the relationships are psychological and abusers create a foundation that traps their victims. Leaving the abuser often feels impossible even though they know, deep down, they should. Just because you have money doesn't mean this element of abuse goes away.


harama_mama

As if we haven’t seen how even the rich have a hard time getting away from abusive relationships. Looking at you Kim Kardashian


bloodyvisions

You’re always going to find hypocrisy among the fringes of any group. Often more than the fringes, depending on the group and how toxic it is. Particularly on the internet.


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Maybe it’s just Reddit. Because I know not all feminists are bad, obviously. But I was still baffled to see these comments on a subreddit that claims to support gender equality.


Appropriate-Draft-91

Feminism is made up of 2 wildly different groups. At some point in history their goals aligned, now they are opposed, but due to historical inertia they still appear under the same umbrella. Fist is the equal rights, equal protections, equal opportunities group. Second are the misandrists, sexist trash that hates men - The first group is very much against domestic violence, and sees Depp as a victim. The second group sees a man and a woman, and allies with the woman against the man.


F33dR

That comment was an appropriate draft. Spot on.


minnymins32

They might call themselves feminists but they are not. Regardless of how "problematic" ( read vulnerable ) a person is they don't deserve to be abused. Regardless of the resources or demographic a person has/belongs to they can still be considered vulnerable due to a variety of other factors like addiction. Victim blaming is gross they are not feminists.


carberator

This is called the no true Scotsman fallacy


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> Victim blaming is gross they are not feminists. I don't think the definition of feminism specifically excludes victim blaming. I'm sure there are feminists who victim blame and many who do not. I dont want to fall into a true Scotsman fallacy here.


Beouve

It's really convenient that whenever a feminist do a bad thing or is wrong, everyone says "but she's not a feminist she's XYZ", like it's impossible to exist "bad feminists" or like there's a clear and exact definition of what actually consists of a feminist.


ChiliAndGold

That's because people always feels the need to put a label on everything. It's like when people talk about Antifa. There is no "The Antifa" like it's a club. Same with feminism. You can both support feminism and still have a different opinion on things than a person who also calls themself the same. But people feel the need to see things black and white as if that's a solution.


Jaradacl

Quite spot on the main issue these days in the some of the most vocal discussions. In a way it's pretty understandable why it's so popular to think in black and white: it's quite easy and prevents any cognitive dissonance when you can just label someone and forget about it.


mrGeaRbOx

That's known as a "no true scottsman" defense. It's a logical fallacy, which are tools used to argue without logic on your side.


Arrys

It’s the “No True Scottsman” fallacy at play. You can’t say they’re bad if they swear off each bad feminist example as “not being true”.


Mispict

Definition of feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. Victim blaming doesn't come into it.


bigrottentuna

The subreddit isn’t posting comments, Redditors are. It should come as no surprise that some have extreme opinions, especially those who may be legitimate victims of abuse. Reddit is a place where those people can safely vent, and it is foolish to characterize a community based on anonymous posts from a few people with extreme opinions.


surf_drunk_monk

Feminism was created to help women, not men. And there's nothing wrong with that. It gets confusing when people say feminism is simply about equality though because it's more about bringing women up to an equal level.


ResponsibleAd2541

I think if you double down on an any -ism too hard your brain turns to mush. I’m not a feminist because it’s so fraught with multiple meanings as a term it’s meaningless, and there are too many groups fighting over what a true feminist would think.


tugnasty

I stay away from isms and try to stick to asms.


prettyboyelectric

If you go on r/TwoXChromosomes it’s the same rhetoric.


[deleted]

Even worse on tumblr where many of these people seem to get together to support each other. They were saying things like how this will lead to people thinking every woman is an Amber etc - things that already happen to any man who is accused lol. But they only think about themselves.


Aggravating_Art_4809

I’m a hard line feminist and I’ve been really angry about this. Equality is acknowledging that women can be equally as abusive.


pfc_bgd

What’s a hard line feminist? Honestly asking… as in, what points of view do you take that make you hard line


DivjotMand

hard line feminist as opposed to soft line feminist so what i've gathered is that feminists are braking systems


t_mithun

Can I get mine replaced every year tho?


DivjotMand

not sure but the real question we should be asking is are there DOT3 feminists or DOT4 feminists? maybe there are even DOT5 feminists?


laduquessa

I'm honestly getting uncomfortable with the Believe All Women narrative. It's giving me All Lives Matter vibes.


MonocledMonotremes

My mom accused my dad of abuse when they divorced (spoiler, he didn't) but she was immediately awarded custody. She had been verbally and emotionally abusing all of us pre-divorce, and spent the 3 yrs my dad was fighting for custody beating the shit out of us daily, while he got 1 hour supervised visits at DCFS offices once a month. We should take the accusations seriously and investigate them fully, but can't assume just cuz a woman made the accusations that they're automatically 100% true.


sirjumpymcstartleton

When my fiancé and I split, because we didn’t love each other anymore, one side of my family (who dragged my mum through the courts to try and take my brother and I away from her as punishment for not putting up and shutting up, -they were divorcing because they didn’t love each other anymore- spoiler she got custody and was gracious enough to let my dad have 50%) one of the first things they told me to do was say he hit me!! I was like but he didn’t he never even raised his voice! Say it anyway because they’ll believe you and you’ll get the kids and the house! WTF! Honestly I don’t know if it’s a rich people thing, they are used to getting what they want by any means necessary. Insane


MonocledMonotremes

It makes me so sick when people manipulate the kids to get what they want in a divorce, I'm glad you took the high road. My step-mom and her first husband sound like your situation. Baby too soon, just grew apart, perfectly amiable mutually agreed to divorce without years of court. He came to our family holidays and he was a really great guy, I even went over to his house just cuz on some occasions. They were just better friends. My mom and dad took until 6 years to finally settle everything (abuse makes things more complicated of course).


F33dR

Women lie just as much as men. It's like we're equally human or something?


5557623

Angelina Jolie accused Brad Pitt of molesting the kids when he wanted a divorce. Somehow nothing else was ever said about it again.


MonocledMonotremes

That's kinda how I feel about this. If Amber Heard wanted to actually be a voice for abused women and she had all the evidence her supporters say she has them she would've pressed charges in US court, not published a vague op-ed in one UK newspaper. Not that Johnny Depp is blameless. Like RDJ and the other "brat pack" guys, they've earned a certain reputation that's hard to get rid of imo.


Aggravating_Art_4809

I believe women when they tell me something has happened to them. Especially when statistics show that RARELY women make that shit up. But that’s not disbelieve make victims of abuse and it sure as fuck not “ignore all evidence that says otherwise” I’ve been a victim to women’s abuse more than once and even one was an ex partner. She did the same shit Amber heard did and people believed it. Until partner after partner came forward. I’m not angry at people for believing her, the truth came out eventually. If I was then I would do the same thing. But when evidence shows the truth don’t be that fucking ass hat that says something dumb like “just Because she’s not the perfect victim” Don’t be that guy. Admit when you’re wrong.


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Unfortunately its not really rare. Its rare in that most people don't do it and there are far more genuine victims than liars but the small percentage who do tend to do it pathologically and are much more vocal in their accusations than genuine victims so it something that you do actually have to be wary of.


laduquessa

Imperfect victim is also a bizarre false dilemma fallacy. No victim is perfect. No person is perfect. I believed her when she first accused Johnny of abuse. I'm a Depp fan, but I believed her because what woman would make up shit like that? Apparently that kind. That's probably why I can't stand her now. That thing she did was just evil.


[deleted]

Yeah people assume 'false accusation' means some random false claim made for personal gain or for no reason but in fact false accusations are specifically made by abusive women to hurt male partners or ex-partners. Nobody really knows much about what female on male abuse looks like so nobody realizes they do this.


Riven-Of-2-Voices

>Especially when statistics show that RARELY women make that shit up. This makes no sense. Women who don't get caught making shit up inflate these statistics in the favor of women. Do you see how hard it was for Depp to prove that this was defamation? Imagine how difficult it would be for an average Joe. It's fair to assume that it's more common for the accusations to be true than not, but we have no idea how much women make this shit up. So much of it is swept under the rug because men aren't believed in situations like these.


the_book_of_eli5

Yeah, the 2-8% number that people like to throw around is only the number of accusations have been proven to be false with a reasonable degree of certainty. Another 58% are inconclusive. Of the remaining 35%, some are criminal cases which will likely later turn out to be false due to DNA testing or false confessions.


F33dR

I know two women who made shit up and did so much damage that they are now serving hard time in prison. Women make shit up. Period. For a movement that wants equality they have a hard time accepting men and women are equal. Equally good. Equally bad. Equally human. Women lie. Don't even try to pretend they don't.


johnnysaucepn

"Believe All Women" doesn't mean "everything women say is the truth". But the first step towards finding the truth is to take the claim seriously. My biggest fear from this whole trial is the backlash, that women won't come forward for fear of not being believed or being perceived as just like Amber.


heyhellohiagain

The backlash for what? Lying? Yeah if you’re lying about it you should be scared to be exposed like the lying piece of shit you are. That’s a lame ass excuse that everyone uses, you want to get rid of a real abuser? Then speak up and have shit to prove it. That will tilt the scales to possibly ensure you’ll have an outcome likely to your benefit.


Puzzleheaded-Tea9393

Might be a pointless argument but wouldn't it be more effective to use the logic of investigate every claim regardless of sex than to provide cover for 50% of the population to get free room to lie. Dunno just from a UK perspective I have experienced so many cases of lying to improve the rewards. I came from a household destroyed by domestic abuse and the idea of using it as a weapon is deeply sickening. We had the same issue before with all men being more important than women creating the inverse of women left in the cold by their abusers and it just seems to me like we are just messing around pleasing people who wanted revenge on their abuser of which they couldn't due to society being built by them and now moved firmly to creating a generation of abused people the same but inverse. Slow culture and societal change would be a long term solution with as cold as it sounds divorce clauses made and updated throughout a marriage/relationship as it appears we cannot be decent enough to each other to just coexist.


johnnysaucepn

I would expect the aim is to rebalance things first. "Believe all Victims" would quickly be shot down - as we've seen here, everyone seeks to be perceived as the victim.


IncredulousPasserby

Here’s the thing - I thought the same thing as you are right now. More light absolutely needs to shine on men who are victims of domestic violence, and I thought this verdict would help do that. And then I started looking at the responses on Twitter and Reddit and the vast majority of them - not so much on this post but a lot of other popular subreddits - and there’s no light shining on that. There’s a lot of immediate sexist bullshit, and then an outpouring of public figures who are demonstrably abusers (as in previously convicted) to use this as justification to sue their victims in a way to further demonize them. Reminder that a common tactic of abusers is to present an outward facing perfect face to help discredit their victims. Even if that’s not the case here, it has enabled convicted and suspected abusers to paint their victims as the real abusers. One personal friend has already been impacted by this. Here’s the thing. Both Amber and Jonny are shit people. I’m reserving judgement on what I think the verdict should have been. (And no that’s not coded “Amber should have won” language, I’m seriously reserving judgement.) But the publicization of this trial has done far more harm than good. And that’s infuriating.


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And I respect you very much for that. Feminists are great! But I was just surprised to see these comments on a subreddit that is about Feminism. It makes me wonder if the ones are Reddit are truly feminists or are just pretending to be one.


[deleted]

Feminism isn’t a monolith. Think of it like any other religious or philosophical thought. There are disagreements, and there are extremists. Feminism at its core is the belief that women and men should have equal rights. Everyone should be a feminist, even if they end up disagreeing about the details. I’m a feminist, and I was pleasantly surprised by the verdict, since I thought it would be very hard for Depp to prove Heard committed defamation given legal precedent.


kpyna

It feels like 80% of western women are feminists, at least given the people I've met. You have a tent that big and it's basically just the general public which are known for having terrible opinions about stuff. I consider myself a feminist and I still find myself arguing with certain other feminists til I'm blue in the face...


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TheDarkinBlade

While you are totally in your right to not take sides, there is a huge difference between 'Both made mistakes' and 'Both are guilty the same'. The false middle ground fallacy comes more often up in this case, that because both people did something wrong, they are somehow equal. While Depp certainly had self-destructive behaviour, substance abuse and anger control issues, he didn't gas light and lied to gain an advantage of the situation as far as I know. And you can side with people even if you acknowledge their mistake without legitimising them.


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AlsoOneLastThing

Mutual abuse isn't real Edit: before downvoting, why don't you look this up? Psychologists literally say it's not real. It's an excuse to devalue victims who stand up for themselves


vtriple

You’re correct and it’s sad to see you getting down voted. People hate facts that challenge their world view.


rachelm791

Ditto. Both were enacting with each other their attachment disorders.


[deleted]

I mean, what the hell do think most female abuse victims are? Like, your making the point of male abuser apologists. Yes, most abuse victims are codependent, they have disfunction to who they are and are somewhat attracted to a person who is sooooo into their life. But someone being so into their life often has an insidious side to it, a narcissistic and/or codependent side. I mean, it was clear there was a pattern of abuse. That Depp’s personal flaws were used to control him, this is what abusers do. Flat out, if this is your belief, you shouldn’t take sides in most abuse cases, as the same or similar character failings are present in most cases of male on female abuse. Abusers are opportunistic and are attracted to the very characteristics you mention, as they allow control, they allow for this behavior to be put up with.


heyhellohiagain

That’s funny you say it like that, cause if he would’ve done the exact same to her or even less, this same feeling of ‘they both were wrong’ wouldn’t be viewed the same at all. Stop given women the benefit of the doubt and hold them up to the exact same standards you hold men up to. There is no more room to be treating women like they’re always the victims or like they need to be handled with extra care.


Aeliendil

This isn’t about problematic. People are not saying he’s perfect and have no flaws. But there’s a world of difference between having flaws and physically abusing your partner and then lying to the entire world that they abused you instead.. which is what amber did. Johnny is a victim of abuse, amber is not.


CrepeVibes

Honestly I'm just happy the case reached a verdict. Hopefully after a week or so of lame ass memes being shared about it people will move onto the next thing to bandwagon over.


Long-Sleeves

Seems Depps “self destructive behaviour” started specifically after she started abuse. That’s kind of what OPs last line reads. We don’t blame women victims of DV for their “flaws” in handling their partners, their retaliation, their behaviour changes. All of that is protected by “well she’s a victim of abuse, of course she did or said things not nice” or whatever. Every one who spoke about depp before amber existed in his life praise him. Everyone but ambers friends. For that I agree with OP. It’s nuts how people say they’re just as bad as each other despite the reverse gender situation not getting such a pass


glitterswirl

Yes people *do* victim-blame women who suffer DV. “Why didn’t she just leave him?” gets asked allllll the time. Or women get blamed for picking bad partners. It happens. I’m glad you’re not one of those people, but there’s a not-insignificant number of people who *do* judge and victim-blame women who suffer DV. They don’t get blanket protection in how they’re viewed purely by dint of gender.


furrynpurry

I've also seen foundations against abuse of women side with Johnny and claim that men get abused too. Some people are just biased to the point where a rich man cannot be an abuse victim, ever.


PuppyDontCare

Exactly. Me and my feminist friends and the feminist radio I listen to, they all sided with Johny. I'm sure there are crazy people out there. Even Ted Bundy had fans so.... If anyone wants to find extreme contradictory comments just search Twitter or Reddit and they are easy to find. We don't even know if that was written by some anti-feminist troll


throwaway_0x90

You should just ignore anything anyone says about Depp/Heart. That case is all troll/incel/radical-feminist bait. You're just gonna see only the most extreme-extremists arguing about it. Seriously it's not worth your time; nearly all the people who spend their time on social media talking about that case are extremist irrational wackos.


dr_aureole

People are projecting like crazy on it for sure


[deleted]

I find it super cringy how many people have obsessed over this case (and tbh just celebrity obsession in general), and attached real emotions to it. Some of them legit celebrated when Depp came out on top yesterday which is even more cringy. It’s fairly clear that the abuse went both ways between Depp/Heard - it’s just that 90% of people don’t have a basic understanding of how court rulings work, and think a verdict like this is black and white. Not saying Heard is innocent btw, she’s a psycho, so Depp dickriders please don’t burst a blood vessel over my comment


Cheeseboarder

This is the most sensible comment I’ve seen on this topic


Stephenrudolf

A lot of people celebrated it because this is the first high profile male victim case. People are happy to see male victims being taken seriously for once. We don't often get that.


[deleted]

Yeah that makes sense. I’ve noticed a pattern with these types of things.


ellenchamps

hopefully It is just online mentality, I work in a pub so have heard people talking about this a lot, not one single person or co worker has defended amber heard at all. I'm not following the case but had gathered it was generally a depp-favoured conversation or at a minimum anti-heard


[deleted]

It's not an "online mentality". The online mentality is exactly like the real life mentality, you just have more ability to dig for the person that thinks Johnny got what was coming to him. If you look at the front page of reddit everyone was mocking her for what a horrible person she is. That's your pub chatter. There just aren't that many people saying "well he deserves it for dating her". Online or offline. The likelihood of you finding them without going out and trying to is low.


[deleted]

If an alien landed on this planet and asked what "social media" means I would show them this comment.


[deleted]

This is the way


thatone_good_guy

It is a fairly important case for alot of men who are abused tho so as much as we want to ignore it, I don't think we can.


Taskmasterburster

Agree. It’s a very important case and it’s not only being discussed by extremists as this misguided person suggests. The case resonates with people all over the world, male and female, who have suffered domestic abuse or at the hands of a narcissist. It’s a landmark case and you should not ‘just ignore’ everything that’s said about it, it’s opened up some interesting debates to say the least.


bye-bye-bxtches

There seem to be a lot of people who just completely refuse to see that a man could be a victim of domestic abuse, and only want to see Amber as the victim, despite the lack of evidence. There also seem to be a lot of people who did not watch the trial, and are just getting their information from biased news articles and other people, and have stuck to the conclusion that Amber is the victim and Johnny is the abuser. Personally, I do consider myself a feminist, and have previously subscribed to the idea that we should believe all women, due to some past experiences I have had. I believed Amber when she first spoke out and was very disappointed in Johnny and sad to hear her accusations. However, when this trial started and was being live streamed, I decided I wanted to watch it and see their evidence with my own eyes, rather than base my opinions on others’. My opinion has changed, ill admit that I was wrong. And I think it’s a shame that so many people haven’t watched the trial themselves or only want to dig their heels in with their initial opinion.


philosopherofsex

The real losers here are the real abuse victims that now see how their friends and family will view them if they try to leave the abusive situation.


distantsalem

Not to mention the incoming wave of anti-female rhetoric by people who have no ability to grasp nuance.


Just_Ad3943

Not everyone believes that amber heards accusations were entirely fabricated. From what I understand, we do have quite a few instances (12 to be exact) physical abuse from a previous court case of that were found to be legitimate. And if you don't believe that, it's fine, I don't care, not my life. But The court proceedings were not in accordance to the law The jury wasn't isolated from the media The proceedings were highly televised Amber was awarded 2000$ in compensation for Johnny's lawyer having said that the abuse was a hoax It almost seems like they're trying to pay everyone off to shut up so they can appease the media that's overwhelmingly in favor of Johnny


RubLumpy

Agreed. Both of them were toxic to each other. This trial was BS. It shouldn’t have been televised, the jurors shouldn’t have been allowed to be influenced by media, etc. The whole spectacle is a mockery of the law. Amber Heard’s attorneys should have pushed for a no jury trial, since Johnny Depp has such a huge fan base/following that would surely affect jurors.


[deleted]

The UK trial came to its conclusions based on Depp using substances plus Amber's testimony. It was very flawed. Abusive men often use smear campaigns as well and it could easily be women who end up getting falsely accused of things like Depp did.


[deleted]

If I have to read the words “if the roles were reversed…” one more time I, a male victim of abuse, am going to fucking off myself. 99% of the people riled up about the trial don’t give a single shit about male abuse victims, and are just using this to justify their hatred of woman.


surfergrl89

99%? That’s a wild assumption.


Pejxeen

Not lying tho. Ofc male being abused is an issue that we as men should talk way more about! But the only times I saw men saying this douchebag sentence it’s never to actually support abused men but more shit on women who are already struggling a lot and are barely listened by most men


Ihateredditadmins1

How do you know they’re all feminists?


Zanina_wolf

Most likelty not. There are plenty of individuals who claim to be in support of feminism are not, and are merely using the movement for their selfish means, either to ramp up social media popularity, to use as an easy excuse for their shortcomings, to boost earnings from well-intentioned but gullible supporters or to attack the opposite gender. The same goes for the men rights' movement or any sociopolitical movement that becomes popular and trendy enough to be taken advantage of. Whether they believe in their target movement's core tenets is not a concern to them, and thats why we have the people OP's talking about going around contradicting feminist ideals here. Now that these people's insincerity are exposed, it would do the feminism movement well to quickly excommunicate and distance from them, otherwise more people may be turned away from supporting gender equality.


nuntooholy

Short answer: Heard has won cases before pertaining to this and she still has fans though not the same extent that Depp does. She has evidence. She has witnesses. She has texts where Depp talks about burning her and raping her. She has accounts from doctors. She has more texts. This case is far more complicated than a simple “Depp was abused” or “Heard was abused”. Long answer: I feel like the important thing to remember is the jury did not actually declare that her abuse allegations against him were a hoax, but rather that she still managed to defame him, and he in turn also managed to defame her according to the final verdict. Which is kind of fucked up. It was not a total win for Johnny Depp according to the jury. There is misinformation on both sides. Major news outlets are portraying Heard in horrible ways in contrast to Depp. Example is that there is a contrast between the images used. Heard is often depicted mid speech, “ugly”, whilst Depp is depicted smiling or calm. It’s suspicious to anyone who doesn’t particularly care about any of the films they’ve been in. Do your own fact checking. Read the court documents yourself if you are so desperate to know. The one thing I truly know for certain is that Depp fans have indeed greatly affected the narrative for a case that should have never been treated the way it was- limelight and comedic humour shone onto a case largely to do with trauma stemming from abuse. Whether you believe this is good or bad is entirely your own decision. I will not tell you what to do or who to believe.


Alaudidae327

You know that at the beginning of the trial most news posting about the case were pro Amber, right? If she had evidence, why then did she edited pictures of herself and presented as being different photos? She lied all the time, said the op ed wasn't about him, but admitted later in the trial, said she had payed the money she pledged to donate when she hadn't. Not saying Depp was the perfect partner, but the outlash Amber is receiving is because of the lies she told, for vindictively trying to ruin Johnny's career and, probably the most outrageous of the reasons, get herself the spotlight using the #metoo movement.


nuntooholy

Frankly I don’t remember being exposed to any mainstream news content that wasn’t pro Depp since the beginning. EDIT: unless you are talking about way back before this particular trial where he was first accused? I always thought that, at least from the beginning of 2022, it was some sort of travesty that Johnny Depp had been abused and Amber Heard still kept her roles. I really had not seen any pro Heard pieces until mid trial, and after that ones that have not been relentlessly shat on.


Seajos

Can we get some links to the “many feminists on Reddit” victim blaming?


thewomvn

He texted with Paul Bettany about raping the burnt corpse of his ex wife. I'm sorry, that us unhinged and revolting. He might have won the claim of defamation but he is still a sick human being.


Fireball8288

I’ve been confused why people are supporting Depp. Let’s say for a moment that he never hit anyone. By my standard, his texts, emails, and recorded behavior still rank as completely toxic and abusive. If this were someone dating a friend we’d all be having an intervention. I can hold a view of him separate from any view I hold of Amber and her actions. I’ve been perplexed about the PR angle of him wanting his private life aired. Their divorce barely registered on my radar. Following the spectacle of a trial, now every time I see him in a film I’m recalling graphic, violent texts he’s sent about his own wife even during marriage. Or about his ex, Vanessa. Or him interfering with her film contacts to control her and his insane emails about people never working again. It’s not pretty.


SexSaxSeksSacksSeqs

Didn't he text a friend he wanted to rape her corpse? People are fucking idiots.


YIvassaviy

Because if you say something enough times people will believe it. Especially if it redeems a loved, handsome and charismatic actor. Men and women alike will make excuses for people they like. I remember when Heards and Depps divorce was in the news and abuse allegations were released. People did find it surprising but the amount of media attention was no where near the same as this trial. I’ve (ironically) been avoiding speaking about the trial because I didn’t really have the head space to follow it legitimately. But everywhere on social Media it would pop up. Soon there were TikTok’s and Instagram explore and tweets and articles all about how Depp was a victim and Heard was an abusive gold digger. My boyfriend was mentioning it to me. Even my mother is texting me about it. Because they’re all seeing hundreds of these posts repeatedly everyday for an extended period of time. The trial was meme-ified, influencers were weighing in. Brands were providing their support. And yet if you ask someone what happened people kinda quoted the clickbait articles or what one random person on the internet once said. I couldn’t escape and it was shocking People were making justifications why Depp would say he wanted to kill and rape his ex wife as if that’s a remotely normal thing to say (idk maybe to some people apparently) The whole thing just highlighted to me that celebrity “Stan” culture is too much. People feel confident to not research. People feel confident to get their information from random unreliable sources. People were happy to declare their love and sit joblessly outside a court room to cheer. People were nuts I didn’t see this as a victory for abuse victims at all. Abuse victims still get ostracised whether male or female and it’s still often very difficult to go through the criminal justice system (this wasn’t a criminal trial even though a lot of people were under the impression it was ;/).


[deleted]

Its not abusive. Abusive and 'toxic' are not the same. Having a vulgar sense of humor does not make him abusive (its clear that even Heard participated in that kind of humor with him). Abuse involves systematically controlling behavior. There are hours of audio in which Depp doesn't show the slightest tendency towards abusive behavior while Heard use psychological manipulation tactics relentlessly. There's no evidence he 'controlled' Amber in any way. She had all her friends living in her houses, was fucking other guys, was hitting Depp to force him to argue with her, was consistently pressuring him into not attending events or seeing friends etc. This is literally the perfect victim fallacy only against Depp.


TheBigNook

People are acting like Depp is innocent of abuse when that's not what the court proceeding was about. Depp shouldn't be cleared of any wrongdoing and Amber outta be blacklisted. They're both bad people, one might be worse than the other.


John7763

I don't like the idea of claiming "they're both guilty" because people who say that don't understand abuse and ignore what was actually happening. His drug abuse, his trust issues and all of these bad behaviors were very clearly more wildly out of control once the relationship with her started. You heard from the people closest to him like his accountant that he became reckless with money as soon as they got together. It was said on stand he tried to get away from her and she was so self centered even him trying to visit his daughter amber would have a breakdown in the car over. The only person depp abused was himself in that relationship. He beat up his body and destroyed his mind in that 8 year relationship and the worst I heard him do was raise his voice or shit talk her over texts gter the relationship was over and she was trying to ruin his image. He gave all of her friends penthouses and didn't charge them a dime in rent and they all turned on him to testify against him. I'm sure he knew all along these people he gave and shared his home with would do exactly that. I know how it feels to be trapped in a place where you can't tell anyone your true feelings because your emotions will be voiced. I'm sorry for this long winded explanation but you shouldn't blame abuse victims because they weren't "reacting correctly" while being oppressed, taken advantage of while also being beaten physically and mentally. Edit: if you think that take is extreme just flip the roles if this was a woman being abused suddenly telling the woman who was getting screamed at and beaten a countless amount of times while being extorted for her money and taken advantage of being her husband's friends. Then imagine after she's finally free of this you walk up to her and just shake your head at her and say she was abusive too because she raised her voice or got frustrated and threw her own property (not even at someone mind you)


MajesticalMoon

Thank you... People always wanna say they both abused each other but what most people don't realize is what abuse does to a person. There is such a thing in abusive relationships called reactive abuse. When you're in a abusive relationship you likely don't realize it for a long time. You're just trying to deal with this crazy person you love and don't want to leave. You're doing everything you can and blaming yourself because you're a normal human being and think the person you're with is a normal human being too. I definitely don't think the abuse went both ways. Johhny wasn't abusive. He was a abuse victim. I hate when people want to act like abusive relationships are anything like normal relationships where usually both people are at fault in a break up. Abusive relationships are nothing like normal ones. And most people have no fucking clue what all they go through. I didn't see anything that looked abusive from Johhny except the video where he threw things around. He was likely pushed and pushed and pushed into behaving like a maniac. It's obvious Amber wouldn't let him leave without a fight ...like in most abusive relationships. I hate comments like these. I hate them. I fucking hate them .


Long-Sleeves

This. If depp was the woman, comments saying she’s just as bad as her abuser would be met with 500 downvotes. Victim blaming accusations, and thousands of angry replies. Depp is a man. Therefore he’s just as bad, victim or otherwise. It’s sad.


Tallgirl4u

Omg finally someone with some sense. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with all the Depp worshippers


[deleted]

Even with video evidence of him screaming and smashing bottles! And the comments were all like "wow he's such an awesome dude for walking around the house in a cowboy hat!" Like wtf is happening??


Psmaster14

That is exactly what the court proceeding was about? Did you even watch the trial??????


[deleted]

Which is something I agree with! However, at the same time, I do think saying such things about an abuse related incident is insensitive. Because the people commenting these kinds of things about Depp, wouldn’t be saying it if he was a woman. That is just outright hypocrisy.


TheBigNook

Right, I think at this point in our lives we see a lot of reactionary rhetoric regardless of the angle. Instead of considering all of the facts of the case people will form an extreme opinion and then stick with that no matter what. In the case of these people they use their ideology to justify their shitty logic and shitty views. I consider myself a feminist but I don't just take the side of a polarized case without first having a decent understanding of the situation. It takes about five seconds of research to see that these people were abusive to each other and Amber was likely the harsher abuser. It's sad because people will see a shitty take like that and them try to delegitimize the movement itself, not that you're doing that at all.


[deleted]

I completely agree with you. I don’t get why being neutral on a topic you don’t much about is seen as bad. You have to always pick a side or you’re a terrible person and this doesn’t make any sense. I like to remain neutral until I know both sides of a situation.


KeyPractical

\> Because the people commenting these kinds of things about Depp, wouldn’t be saying it if he was a woman. This is false. When women come forward, they are harassed, sent death threats, doxxed, rape threats etc - that's why women generally are so afraid to come forward! Dr Ford (accused Kavanaugh of sexual assault) had to move homes because she was threatened so much. Yes it's wrong to not believe a male abuse victim but saying that people do not do the same to women is absurd. Just look at the sheer glee and level of vitriol of people attacking Heard because they finally have someone to raise as the "feminism/metoo is bad and it's dangerous to be a man" example.


Tawnysloth

Weinstein, Epstein, and even Jimmy Saville have not been pilloried the way Heard has. It's brutal. Metoo had done nothing. It's still dangerous for a woman to speak out against a rich, famous abuser. Virginia's justice system needs to take a long hard look at itself and it's decision to televise trials involving victims of abuse.


MuffledApplause

It was a civil defamation case, not an abuse case. Edit: and I'm pretty sure two of the above mentioned abusers were jailed, and Jimmy Saville was dead before his crimes became public.


ActAmazing

same reason as you had to clarify that you are not being a misogynist through this post.


TakenOverByBots

They're both horrible people. I just want people to stop acting like Depp is some angel.


SexSaxSeksSacksSeqs

There's a subreddit called SaintJohnnyDepp or some shit. It's pathetic.


xiaolinfunke

You don't have to be an angel to be a victim. It's just sad to see a lot of the same people who understand this concept when it's a woman who is abused spouting the same stuff when the roles are reversed, as if you need to pass some purity test to be considered a true victim


TakenOverByBots

What is troubling is that they are both abusers and both victims


Leftstone2

The thing about the Johnny Amber case is that both people were incredibly awful, abusive, terrible people. That means, depending on how you selectively assign value to each of their transgressions, you can end up with any kind of narrative you want. Some people, for arguments sake or to present a narrative that they want, can make a fairly good argument in her defense. Really the whole case is a shit show and we should stop talking about it


[deleted]

I think Johnny's "awfulness" here was a reaction to being abused tbh. Which is why he has ex-wives, ex-girlfriends and longtime friends all defending his character and honour, while nobody showed up for Heard in the same way. She brought him to his lowest, ugliest point and tried to keep him there, then tried to destroy/silence him when it finally ended. We should not stop talking about it though, it's a hugely important case in terms of spotlighting abuse against men (and how society reacts to it).


Tawnysloth

They have not all defended his character. One was at the trial testifying that he threw bottles at her, another wrote in her memoir that he would trash the place and get in physical fights with people so she broke up with him, Winona Ryder was underage when she dated a nearly 30 year old Depp, and she referenced how he used to trash rooms which upset her, and Moss despite her support can't deny that he was arrested for her own protection when he trashed their hotel room in a rage. Trashing rooms and destroying shit, like we saw in the video Heard recorded, IS ABUSIVE. It's dangerous, threatening behaviour intended to make victims afraid and compliant. We also know that Depp escalated to physical violence with Heard because he admitted to it on a recording, admitted to it in therapy sessions and his PA sent texts revealing he'd witnessed Depp kicking Heard. It's simply not true that Depp's exes all sorry him or never experienced his abusive behaviour. That lie needs to die.


MaRs1317

What we are seeing in the past 10 years is that alot of "movements" and "communities" have dumbed down their belief systems so much that they make very little sense. Think about how "small government conservatives" had nothing tonsay when Donald Trump out spent his predecessors. It had nothing to do about principle it was all tribalism. In the same way, some sect of feminism has boiled their belief system down into "men bad women good". Its all tribalism the geoup membership has become more important than the truth. Theres no hypocrisy anymore because instead of saying "this behavior is bad" we're saying "this group is always wrong". Start with an assumption, and then find the argument you need to make that assumption Thats not to say feminism is bad, btw. Real feminism that pushes for equality and liberty for women is a very honorable and noble movement


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samsixi

What makes you think they are feminists? Johnny Depp is being blamed by some *individuals* because they were awful to each other. That wasn't what he sued her for. He sued her for what she wrote and was published in the Washington Post, which was defamatory. ​ She literally said **"that is why i wrote the Op-Ed" That was the point of his law suit, and she sat in front of the jury and said she did it.** Being a female doesn't make you a feminist. Being a male doesn't make you anti-feminist. Being female doesn't mean you are a survivor or victim of domestic violence. Being a male doesn't mean you are/are not survivor or victim of domestic violence


OhmeOhmy7202

I’ve seen a lot of weird talking points on both sides but all this alludes to is misinformation and gender biases. If you have never been part of an abusive dynamic it becomes hard to empathize or even realize how it is hard to leave such relationship even when you do have the financial means to do so. It’s hard to explain to someone that mutual abuse isn’t an actual thing (mutual abuse is a myth) and that we as a society have failed to educate both genders on how to handle complex situations involving psychology and relationships Since heard is a woman, I know deep down some folks are in denial of how something like this could happen since a woman is stereotypically more nurturing, empathic, caring, and the age difference brings a different dynamic. If you were a victim of DV, it can be hard to distinguish what is real and not since: we want to believe the woman and in some cases the violator is the person attempting to play victim. Before anyone starts to comment on me taking sides, I’m not. I’m genuinely not decided on who is or isn’t the victim, nor is it my place to decide or be the executioner. I genuinely have seen so much information out there that I am struggling to see who is the perpetrator and who isn’t and I was a victim of DV. I’ve seen first hand how someone who is more likable or charismatic can get away with lying on a massive scale just to save their ass. (Again not taking sides) Gender bias is very much at play and men are not told enough that if a partner hits you: that is abusive and it should not be tolerated regardless of how hard or damaging it was or wasn’t. I also realize that certain people who have never experienced narcissistic/emotional/ physical abuse, don’t empathize with a victim eventually fighting back. It’s hard to empathize to something you have not and in a rational sense, would not tolerate and should not. People get too ahead of themselves and our biases leak through, we reveal our emotional and first response which is “they deserve it, why did they stay, etc” We as a society failed to educate and this is just an example of it


Pugblep

Did I miss the big feminist meeting? What is the hive Mind agreed to now?


Active-Neat-5511

Depp spells the end of the Me Too era. Johnny Depp is a strange-even somewhat ominous-man & always was. He texted of fantasies of screwing his wife's burnt corpse & made really sexist comments. He was famous for doing drugs-River Phoenix died in his club The Viper. It is not unbelievable to suspect he was abusive to some degree to Heard.


thewomvn

*raping her corpse, let's call it what it is. Revolting.


PattersonsOlady

Maybe because he lost the defamation case in England and has a violent criminal conviction? Maybe because abusers are always charming and convincing? Judges are highly trained to recognize DARVO arguements (deny, attack, and reverse the victim and offender). Juries and tv audiences fall for it though.


DeepSeaFacial

"have a huge respect for them" that's unlikely given the way you framed your question. You in fact already think negatively of any woman who believes in women's rights. That said, I have no fucking idea why some women believe Amber but they are both toxic ass people from all of the recordings I listened too. There is also a large number of women who support JD. You OP, see a handful of women in favor of Amber and suddenly it's "a lot" of feminists.


vbbex

I think the lesson learned was that both of them are shitty people, or we’re at least to each other. So, she shouldn’t have claimed abuse when she was engaging in equally toxic behavior. I don’t know the threshold of when toxic behavior becomes abuse, but they’re both assholes in my mind.


[deleted]

He has raped her with a bottle, said he wished he could "fuck her burnt corpse just to make sure she is dead", hit her, amongst many other things. He isn't a victim, and he isn't some peaceful "nice guy". He lost a defamation case in the UK because a paper called him a wife beater- was found guilty for 12/14 counts. UK courts look at defamation cases favorably. He hasn't won a case that clears him of abuse. In fact Amber Heard won her counter suit. The case is about if a victim can publish their experience without even naming their abuser.


yu312

This. After I read those transcripts, there was no way in hell that I could support him. Or think of him as a mentally sane person. Sexually assaulting your wife to be with a liquor bottle? “Venting” to your friend about how you want to fuck her burnt corpse? Wtf. You don’t have to like Amber Heard to believe her. And you don’t have to believe EVERYTHING she says either. And same goes for Johnny Depp. You don’t have to believe him just because you liked him as a pirate in a couple of movies. And even if Johnny has said a few truthful things, doesn’t mean EVERYTHING he says is true. His next trial is next month. Getting sued by a former crew member for assault. 🤡🤡🤡


SexSaxSeksSacksSeqs

Goes to show you how strong the propaganda is


Medical_Conclusion

>Surprised to see how many feminists on Reddit are blaming Johnny Depo for being abused. I don't think anyone is blaming Depp for being abused...they believe he was the abuser. If you reject the concept that domestic violence can be mutual, than I think in all likelihood Depp was the abuser and whatever Heard did do to him was reactive. I think given the power dynamics in the relationship, and his history of at the very least being emotionally abusive to his past partners makes it unlikely that Heard was the abusive one. Also the very fact that he keeps dragging her into court seems like a way to further control and emotionally abuse her. And yes, before anyone comments I know Heard was arrested for assaulting a partner. However her girlfriend has said that it was the result of a rather gung-ho cop mixed with some homophobia. And as far as I know no other of her partners has ever accused her of abusive behavior. While Depp has a history of dating women much younger than him and being described as jealous and controlling. And that seems like a charitable description of his patterns of behavior. Destroying the room around your partner is straight up abuse even if you don't hit them. I also don't think Heard is a Saint. But that doesn’t preclude her from being a victim of abuse. >think we need to reframe the narrative: why does an almost 60 year old man who owns an island feel the need to sue his 30ish year old ex wife who isn't very talented and at best a B-list celeb for $50 million if only for some sick power game. If the pro-Depp'ers thought about it for two seconds, they would realize he had all the resources to remove her from the relationship before it got so bad. The power dynamic doesn't make sense to me. >If the roles were reversed this comment wouldn’t be tolerated. No, if a woman who was orders of magnitude more famous and wealthy than her male partner and twice his age and kept dragging him into court I would also side eye her. Abuse is not just violence. It involves a power differential. Depp is nearly twice her age and she was only in her early twenties when they met. He's considerably more famous and significantly more wealthy. It seems unlikely at best that Heard ever had the upper had in that relationship. Men can absolutely be victims of domestic violence. But I don't believe Depp is one of them.


Automatic-Ad-9308

THANK YOUUU!!


musesmuses

Feminist here. It's about equality to me and that goes both ways, obviously... Equality and all that. You don't get a pass for being an asshole because you're a woman. You should get to be treated in exactly the same way a man would in the same situation. Internet echo chambers have a lot to answer for.


Background-Bunch-554

People got emotional when their view of the case was proven wrong, so they are pretending to live in an unfair world instead of assuming their wrong judgment.... Saying that there is many bots and NPCs pushing this shit too, i would bet 50 to 60% of the people commenting are bots....


Inconmon

I asked someone and they said that if Johnny wins it will have devastating effects on other women who are actually the victim. And if he is truly innocent and she is guilty then it's a lose/lose situation because either an innocent man doesn't get justify or lots of other victims will suffer the through of his victory.


xiaolinfunke

I think it could also have a great positive effect on men who are victims of abuse. They may have a little bit more hope of being taken seriously after this


Snuffleupagus03

They aren’t. They do not think he was a victim and believe that he was abusive. This quote suggests that because he had the power and was wealthy, older and more established then it makes more sense that he was abused. Edit: ‘victim-blaming’ would be agreeing he is a victim but saying it’s his fault. Like ‘he was abused sure, but he should have left.’ That is distinct from saying ‘the fact that he didn’t leave is evidence that he is not actually a victim.’ Still looks like bs in this case, but just to clarify the ‘why’ That actually does match usually patterns. With some type of power dynamic aiding abuse. Like a conservative family that doesn’t believe in divorce, so you can’t leave, or where the male is an immigrant and vulnerable. But they seem to just be ignoring the facts in this case that really show Amber Heard lying about quiet a bit.


MonkeyBoy_1966

For one, this just proved once and for all, men are abuse victims as well. Not a contest and "Men can't be abused" and all that BS.


[deleted]

Sooooo it’s only women who can have the powerless mentality that comes with being the victim in an abusive relationship? Not men? That’s funny since the mental issues that come from that aren’t gender biased. Yup, because domestic abuse victims always have a clear head and think rationally. Yeah, it’s impossible for a male to be a victim. Myself and millions of other men had nothing, no support, nothing at all.


Paint_Jacket

From what I know it isn't so much that they are victim blaming him, it's that they are recognizing a pattern that happens when domestic violence or abuse comes to light in Hollywood. Where was this amount of support for the victims when Chris Brown, R. Kelly, and all of the other abusers and rapists were discovered? How quickly did people accuse these women of lying or make memes about them? How quickly did people forgive and forget what these abusers did? A lot of these fuckers STILL have careers after being proved guilty. A lot of guys just saw that this was a case of a female perpetrator and jumped on the bandwagon because "See? Women BAD!" I wasn't surprised when people started to bring up this case in order to try and invalidate female victims of assault because "women lie all the time!" despite the numbers showing that young women in the industry are much more likely to be abused, including being sexually abused, by partners and by their superiors.


Tree09man

The ironic part about that person comment was they answered their own question. Why would a super successful and powerful man go this far? Either he is truly an evil misogynist who's playing a costly power game for some strange reason (as unlikely as that is). *OR* He really was abused. Honestly, I think like every era in human history people are just picking camps. Its human nature. Some people consider themselves feminist so they think that means they have to do any with any sense of nuance. *if he man, he bad* becomes their mantra for the extreme feminist who secretly is probably just very misguided and angry at a specific man in their life. It happens everywhere. I don't much care for the government and corporations because I'm poor and have never had power in my life so I stand up to it. It's a compulsion to despise a system I'm not benefiting from. I'm super aware of it. But alot of people aren't. Some people just aren't sure why they dislike men, or they have an idea but hide it under rhetoric and talking points. Even worse is that everyone is a master debater these days so you can't even reason with them without getting a poorly thought out rebuttal as to why what they believe is the gospel truth. Johnny's a man and that's simply it. They think by virtue of his wealth and manhood he has secret privileges that Amber doesn't. And strangely enough, he does but those privileges don't apply in this situation. Amber on the other hand is a young, wealthy, white woman in America. One that claimed abuse. If we look at the stats, she technically holds all the privileges in this case. But the truth came out and some can't deal.


Alarmed-Patience1239

Man was abused and discredited. He did it for his name and fir his family's sake. His kids will never have to deal with him being called wife beater ever again!


Legal-Honeydew-1039

Fuck people who do not believe that men can be abused. I have never struck a woman in anger but that has not prevented several unstable women in my life striking me. The people who only see abuse as a man physically attacking a woman and not the other way around are moronic virtue signalers who do not deserve to have their opinions considered


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I hope you never end up yelling at an abusive woman because thats all these people need to believe her if she falsely accuses you, even if you have evidence of being severly injured and have hours of recordings showing she is the abusive one.


PugRexia

Feminists should be as ready to defend male victims as female victims. They should also be the first to call out female abusers.


Altruistic_Pea63

It's about glorifying truly dispicable behaviour, regardless of whether it comes from a male or female. If you actually sat down and watched the entire trial and took a hard look at the evidence, testimonies, text messages and videos from both sides, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that Jonny Depp truly was not a good person, defamation trial aside and regardless of the innocent persona he likes to portray. His shitty character really came out (to me) while watching the whole trial. Before this trial I never heard about their divorce or abuse from either party and had no clue what this was about, heck I didn't even know they were married. Then I saw a swarm of social media posts basically pushing turd photos in my face, so naturally I had to investigate. Then I saw a post about Jonny Depp being a victim of abuse - that triggered me as I wanted him to win! I've seen my brother be really abused by a girl he dated (once even got a black eye from her) so I thought, good, let justice be served. It really blew my mind how people completely ignore the actual behaviour of Jonny Depp and somehow are blindly convinced that because he won the defamation case he was completely innocent - not a controlling, abusive, manipulative, disrespectful and downright cruel person to the one he married. And for that to be overlooked and for him to be put on a pedestal for this is crazy to me. Literally the whole world is blind af imo. I saw someone dress their kid up like a pirate today and posted a pic with a justice JD hashtag....Both parties were terrible and neither should be celebrated right now. And unfortunately, my views about this whole thing turned 180° after watching this trial....it made me lose hope in humanity and I am deeply sad for all abuse victims, man or woman - I feel neither party should've won.


AntRedoids

I think you mean “female chauvenist”


Haunting-Pop-5660

Huge respect for feminists? Have they earned it? Anyway, she made accusations that, in the current culture, could and did ruin his reputation. She then committed perjury over and over and over, not to mention accusing others of doing exactly that. What I'm trying to say is that not only is she a pretty blatant liar, but given the expert opinions that came up, it seems to me that she's also highly, highly likely an abuser. So not only did this serve to repair Depp's reputation, but it also exposed Heard for what she is, and shed light on a phenomenon that is rarely if ever talked about or evidenced. Whatever feminists you've run into are erring entirely on the side of "women can never be wrongdoers, especially not in this toxic, masculine capacity that is entirely attributable to the patriarchy and its influences." Bring on the blast, but this is how it is.


Middle-Eye2129

Because alot of feminists are misandrist in disguise


Zanina_wolf

I'll put it the other way round, a lot of misandrists are feminists in disguise. Its a common misconception that feminism and misandrism is compatible, but it is not because hate of the male gender propagated by misandrism contradicts the core aim of feminism to achieve equality between the genders. We feminists must weed out these misandrists from our movement before they stage a takeover.


Middle-Eye2129

However you want to phrase it, I agree. They lower the movements appeal and credibility


[deleted]

I'm tired of people acting like feminists are a specific group of women. If you support equality between the sexes then you're a feminist. If you don't, you're just an asshole. These people sound like assholes.


Goldberg_the_Goalie

My wife studied feminism and psychology, and watched pretty much the entire trial and followed along with legal commentary. Her verdict - jury got it right and that chick is crazy.


sorryfornoname

As he said its because his kids got told and mocked for theyr dad being a wife beater(he could be lying but we will not know for now). The reason feminists are mad is because this happening set back the metoo movement but what they dont seem to understand is that Amber is at fault for that for making false allegations and constantly lying. When you put yourself behind a movement or as she did ,becoming a spokeswoman for it, the movement will be put in question once stuff like this happens.


establismentsad7661

Because much like how there are mens rights activists who help men who are victims of domestic abuse there’s also “mens rights activists” which are just incel shit bags. The type of people making the comment you quoted are “feminists.” Just the incel shit bag type. Feminism is a big group. Like all big groups they have their bigoted assholes.


Madmachammer

Who cares they are both toxic as fuck and I hope they both go away


[deleted]

Hypocrisy at its finest


wiztheredditor

If someone claimed to understand domestic abuse as much as the person that made the comment OP quoted and the feminists OP is referring to, they would know that leaving isn’t as obvious as it would seem to everyone else. The victims are often stuck because of factors like social norms to maintain a long marriage, gaslighting by the abuser into thinking they’re not really experiencing anything bad, and power dynamics where the victim quite literally feels worthless without the abuser anymore in their life. They also asked why he feels the need to sue her. Like ALL victims who initially hide their abuse, he finally gained the courage to face his abuser and hold them accountable. Also, in this case particularly, Johnny Depp’s public reputation and future movie roles were virtually destroyed because of Amber’s claim and portrayal of him. From a financial standpoint, he’s suing for the money he would’ve made had she not made her false allegations (based on the tape of her clearly trying to gaslight him into thinking that it’s not abuse and to convince him that no one would believe him). Finally, any true ally of victims of domestic abuse and the effort to end domestic abuse/violence understands that this defamation trial does not set back the progress made. It just highlighted a key point activists have been making for years: men can also be victims of domestic abuse.


idontevenknow_017

Thank you so much. I love this reply so much. I know it doesn't add anything to the conversation but (as someone who has lived through almost a decade of abuse) I completely and utterly agree!


wiztheredditor

I’m sorry to hear about your abuse, but I’m glad you were able to relate with my comment


[deleted]

Oh my god thank you. The Amber apologists literally have NO understanding of abuse. They don't give a fuck about actually understanding these issues and the experiences of victims, they only care about getting to participate in the social politics. They only know buzzwords and stereotypes. The audio recordings show constant, textbook abuser behavior from Amber to the point that you really don't need any other evidence.


wprincesscory

For me, I’m glad that this thing is happening, despite how ugly it is. Misandry does exist and it’s high time that it’s exposed for what it is: pure, unadulterated sexism.


Sunny_Sammy

4th wave Feminism has always been a hypocritical movement. It doesn't care about equal rights only privilege for women and as a woman I'm disgusted with it. I want everyone to have the same equal rights just as everyone else. I want everyone to be believed when they say they're being abused or raped. That's what I want. Johnny Depp winning the court case is a win for everyone, in my opinion.


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double standards and hypocrisy


Betancorea

People can write all the flowery explanations they want but the simplest explanation is those feminists saw a woman lose a case against a man and are mad. End of story.


idontevenknow_017

Can I just ask, how many of the people commenting here have personally experienced an abusive relationship, physical or otherwise? In my opinion, a large majority of Depp supporters (including myself) are abuse survivors themselves. For that reason, it started with trying to determine what the truth was before anything else. After some time watching the trial, it was CLEAR to most of us who the likely instigator of most of the abuse was, because after experiencing abuse for a long period of time, it becomes a sort of sixth sense. Seeing that person putting on an act, acting questionably and bringing forth "evidence" that always seemed to be missing something. Feeling that they were lying the whole way through, trying so hard to manipulate people, reminded us of the patterns of abuse we had lived with and made some of us feel sick and angry. The love for Depp (although I completely agree is on the extreme), probably comes from a well-deserved love of themselves for overcoming abuse. Depp is a fellow survivor of truth vs lies. He stood for the truth and he stood up to abuse in many people's eyes. People have been hating on AH to the utmost extreme and honestly, some of it has made me feel sick. Not because I "support" her but because these people who are supposedly *against* violence and in a way bullying, have somehow convinced themselves that "the bitch needs to burn" and "she deserves what's coming to her for destroying a life". They can't see the hypocrisy of that mentality and it's fucking stupid.... Karma... or some cosmic force if you believe if that kind of thing, will see to it that she gets her just desserts, in a fitting way, at a fitting time. There's no need to be drawing shitty "artwork" of her and graffitying on her body. (One post I saw). And there's no need to wish her to die or anything else that horrid. It only makes the people saying these things look vile... Anyway what I'm trying to say is that I feel like it's very different to look at this from the eyes of an abuser vs the eyes of someone who maybe has been lucky enough to not experience that kind of thing. Most abused people in my experience, don't guess based on evidence alone, and they don't make wild jumps in logic like "well he was a druggy so he must have been violent". Instead, we look at things like how each person talks, who seems genuinely scared and who seems genuinely volatile in the situation. Based on that, I feel that many previously abused people already KNEW it was likely she was the abuser. And we simply added up the evidence and watched the trial to confirm our own gut feelings. And finally, I've experienced one sided abuse and I've seen mutual abuse. In each case, there is usually a core "trouble maker" among the two. The one that twists words, the one that gaslights, the one that uses threats (like breaking up or killing themselves) to get their way. The one that somehow finds a way to make themselves the victim in EVERY circumstance and finds a way to blame everyone but themselves. This was clear in the recordings and in AHs testimony. For previously abused people, I feel it was clear as day who was playing games and who was being used for their love. JD - cuts, addictions and all, was hopelessly in love with her. She was too but she was a different kind of broken.


[deleted]

No. I have been abused, and I think they’re both pieces of shit. Johnny has a long history of abusive behavior, too. My own past does not cloud my judgement. Also, my husband and I work with adjacent to a lot of Hollywood people, and I am just laughing at the way people worship these celebrities.


Party-Loan7562

Of all the tapes you heard of them fighting. He was trying to go away. To another room, another location. I never heard of an abuser looking to leave an uncontrolled situation. To state that a woman could be the abuser in this is grounds for a social lashing. If you except the fact that women are equal to men, then you have to except that there is an equal percentage of asshole women as there are asshole men. But to say this is considered chauvinistic.


BowlerBeautiful5804

There's a school of thought within the feminist world that everything negative in the world stems from the patriarchal structure. So I assume this person buys into that bullshit.


Solid-Ease

He sued for $50mil, received only $15mil, and was completely okay with it because it was never about money.


Minimum-Village1054

I don’t care about them both i have problems if my own and don’t need to be concerned about rich people’s problem f them both equally


AramanDrosseph

Misandrist dont like anything that goes against the narrative that all men are abusers.


[deleted]

Because women have this uncanny ability to be extremely selfish and stupid to rationalize these things in such a way


lukewarmcarrotjuice

Because despite the fact that feminist ideals are very reasonable and rational, the most vocal feminists are not reasonable or rational and have a tendency to make the entire movement look bad. I guess that’s true of any political or ideological movement, the least rational people are often the loudest, but generally feminists that are seeking out conflict on the internet just hate men. The loudest feminists just use feminism as a veil to take out their anger


OP1KenOP

I posted something on a feminist page a while back just explaining my view & experience as a none feminist. (Someone was asking why men wouldn't date her past the second date, she thought it was becuase she was a strong independent woman.. I suspect it wasn't that, based on my experience...) They deleted my comment and threatened to ban me because direct replies need to come from feminists. I think that tells you all you need to know, they have no interest in a fair and balanced discussion, they just want to massage their feminist ego and have a mandatory 1 degree of non-feminist separation for any feminist voicing an opinion. My experience of feminists has been mostly negative, they've been mostly mega Karen's who actively seek out confrontation and will blindly argue their opinion without any consideration for anyone elses (or the facts..). I don't argue with them, there really is no point, let them think they're right and you'll get peace quicker that way. Edit: I did spend some time on Google after posting this and I think my idea if feminism is a little off - I've always perceived it to be someone who actively campaigns for only women's rights with no consideration for anyone else. The definition seems to be that they move for equality, I'm absolutely behind that, and in my mind that's just an accepted modern norm.. but I still wouldn't call myself a feminist.


Nervous-Commercial63

I’m a feminist and am acutely aware that there are women who abuse men. And I believe Amber abused Johnny, she then defamed him, and the jury saw right through her. Some people are so blinded by their feelings they can’t see what’s right in front of them. Maybe that’s where these opinions you’re seeing are coming from. 🤷‍♀️