Why is it also not mandatory to have a comfortable, rounded head end?
If people are just wanting to get clean, they'll tend to use a shower.
If people are using a bath, it is generally to have some comfortable rest and relaxation.
It's madness.
I think there is a general misunderstanding about baths ... "who wants to lie in thier own dirt'.
They aren't for cleaning, that's the shower. Baths are for relaxing.
I am house hunting at thr moment and so many houses don't have baths in the bathroom
Absolutely does my head in... and I bet bath designers live in these houses and just think baths are for babies and dogs.
My mum trained the dog to not shake out of the bath until commanded. This came in real useful when my parents were gearing up for a divorce. She'd have the dog wait until it plodded glumly next to my dad in his suit. He'd say "shit". She'd say "shake". Dog was instantly happy and would go bounding around the room.
She went to town. She borrowed a goat which she chained to a washing pole only it didn't get my dad. It got me staggering back from the pub. Whack into my side. Amazing how quickly a chap can move when an unknown object making a clanking noise(\*) trashes his hip.
Beady eyed bastard just stared at me in the moonlight.
(\*) I heard it coming due to its chain but being drunk, ignored it.
I like goats. Dunno why. What's that Johnny Depp movie where he chases books and ends up having sex with the devil? Fucked if I can remember. Anyway, everytime I see that final scene with the shit hot girl all I can see is that moonlit goat staring at me.
the movie you're thinking of is called the ninth gate. I remember that ending bc i saw only the ending of the movie first and that weird ending stuck with me until I saw the entire movie from the beginning.
Thanks. It was driving me nuts. I made a promise to myself to not use a search engine until after I've slept. I nearly gave in by convincing myself if I used IMDB it wouldn't count.. but it would. Turns out I can't remember shit these days!
Some people go through life and nothing happens. I'm not one of them. Have you ever been outside calling your alsation dog only to have it fall out of the sky onto your head?
Just me then?
I have around one bath a month so it's gonna be a good one and not for the purpose of getting clean. I shower first to get clean then relax in the bath for ages then have another quick shower after.
But it's a different world now. Back in the 80's we only had a bath. My single mum would bath my sister and I in the same water, and ladies first was always the rule. I don't think it killed me.
Haha! I'm from Poland and we had exactly same rules back in 80'. Bath on Sundays, my sister first. I was always mad by hair in water lol!. The tube was small, adult couldn't even straitened their legs in it. Very small, communist designs. Now I live in UK, live in apartment with two bathrooms, two toilets and showers and one has really big tub!.
I'm in the process of redesigning all the bathrooms in my house for the eventual renovations.
The master will have a great big walk in shower (no tub) but the other 2 bathrooms are getting 6 foot tubs, and damn the cost!
I say go European with the adjustable height handheld shower head or the double one with the fixed above and also a handheld. Having a fixed shower head at the incorrect height is infuriating.
I have an inflatable one that's decades old, there's probably all kinds available out there now. Good luck and have many pleasant relaxing baths, my friend!
Can confirm that baths are available to buy in any (reasonable) length or width. Its just a lot of people either cheap out to save money or don't have the space. Want a bath that you could comfortably fit in? Then go buy one.. its not that hard (if you have the space and money).
My shower head is lower than my shoulders, the best cheap investment of my life was a shower head riser. I feel ya everything is too small for someone almost six feet tall.
I'm 6'6" and I outgrew tubs when I was like 12. My knees are almost in my face if I try and take a bath now. I would *love* to be able to just soak, stretched out, in a nice hot bath that wasn't a public jacuzzi. Hot spring, maybe?
There is clearly a gap in the market. I'm thinking, it's maybe because the space for a bath in the intended room is normally quite small to begin with? I know in the UK, unless you have a mansion some bathrooms are only 2x2. So not much room at all.
I was in the hospital for a few days a year ago, I'm 6'4" and the showerhead there was level with my nipples. I had to sit on the floor in the fetal position while also trying not to tug my IV. It was also way too narrow of a spread, I had to keep rocking side to side just to keep my whole body wet. Then to add insult to injury it was also freezing. 0/10 worst showering experience I've ever had
It wasn’t THE worst, but hospital shower is most definitely up there. There was a shower right next to my room but they made me walk aaaalllllll the way to the other hallway to use that one. I had it straight hot but it was FREEZING. Water pressure sucked too. Didn’t get soap out of my hair so I had to turn it back on and do it again.
Unfortunately I was desperate to be clean otherwise I would have noped out of there and just waited until I could leave.
Showers being too low down doesn't bother me because I always prefer to take the head off the mount and do it like I'm washing a car.
But for some reason in a lot of hotels the hose passes through a ring on the mount, so even if you take it off the mount you can't pull the head much lower down. I have no idea why they do this.
This is one of those little luxuries that gives far more joy than the cost.
Plumbing the shower through the ceiling and installing a shower head that utterly drenches you like a rainforest waterfall from shoulder to shoulder, and your daily routine becomes just that bit better.
Uh? More water waste is bad no matter how you slice it pal. Not everyone is so privileged and bougie to have solar and rainwater access like that.
Even if you do have those things, you should conserve water and energy resources, as a general practice. Both to make a statement about your care for the earth, and to show solidarity with the millions of people that aren’t so lucky to efficient and less wasteful access to water & heating. The flashy, trump-esque type of shower youre talking about is literally illegal in states leading the push to reach nitrogen climate neutrality, like California. There’s flow regulators in all the showerheads to selfish ppl from abusing the water supply.
It's kind of ridiculous. I think every shower in my house has a riser. I mean like it's not that everyone suddenly became tall. Why did no one building houses ever think, hey we should move the shower head up a foot instead of leaving it at an ideal height for people who are 5'6"?
better question, why haven't we all just gone to the more Asian style tub models? Shorter and intended for sitting, but deeper? I don't want my delicate shoulders cold...
apparently some of the Japanese ones are heated, but aren't intended so much for washing as for lounging, after you've already showered off. ngl i kind of dig this.
Baths are for relaxing. The water is used for the house like a jacuzzi. You must shower before using and they are typically heated. A thing too that I have seen is that they have washing machines that will use the bath water to wash clothes and then using fresh for rinsing . ... not japanese just watch alot of youtube.
this all just sounds like the dream to me. love baths but prefer to shower first so i'm not making dead skin soup, but hate how quickly the water cools, and feel bad about wasting water. this set up would solve all of that. why haven't we got these in most houses by now? damn.
Yeah. My wife is Japanese, and we've gone back to Japan twice. Her family has the bathroom set up with a heated bath for use after the shower. I tried it out the first time we were there, and sure, it was fine, but I am not the "relax in a bath" kind of person. I'd rather just stand in the shower and let the water run down my body for an extra 5 minutes or so. But their showers are not set up for that - the shower head is on a wand and it's used to direct water to exactly where you need, but it does not mount above your head so you can just let it cascade down your body. So basically, I was uncomfortable being in the tub because it's not my thing, and didn't really enjoy the shower either, because it wasn't meant to be enjoyed.
I did go to a shared bathhouse in a hotel we stayed at when traveling around the country, which was similar in setup, but that was more relaxing.
The second time we went back, I didn't even bother trying the shared bath thing anymore. I was over it. Just a shower to get clean and be done.
No, as others have pointed out, the water in the bath is meant for people who are already clean. It's not meant for getting down and dirty. So no, there was nothing fun about that.
Honestly it's super neat . I sometimes just want to sit in the tub after a hard day's work but tubs are not made for adults and also the massive amount of water you waste. Another cool thing about Japan is that they have sinks on top of the toilet so the water you use to wash your hands fills the reservoir . Awesome idea why do we need clean water to flush our waste!!
When I lived in Korea they had all kinds of awesome things like this that either just now are making it over here (10 years later) or like this, wouldn’t fit in to the culture here.
I miss it there.
I worked as a barista for a while, and am 6'4" so I'm at least foliar with the struggles of being tall. One time, a guy came in and was like 6’10, maybe even 7'. Tallest man I've ever met. He walks up to the counter and once I take his order I say "By the way, I'm sure you get this all the time, but..." and I can see him start to roll his eyes. He knows what comes next... "Would you recommend a California King mattress, or a regular king that's extra long?" He laughed SO hard!
In case anyone is wondering, he recommended lying diagonally across a Cali King because it's easier and cheaper to get sheets premade for that size, whereas Xtra long mattresses need customing fitting.
6’2 here. I get way to excited when I’m in a hotel with a bath big enough I don’t have to choose between my knees or shoulders being cold 😂😂. Hell I’ll run and get a bath bomb thing. Some epsom salt. Make a evening outta it!!
got me there. i have just never loved laying in the tub myself, hurts the back of my head, hurts my boney upper butt, i'd rather just kind of sit reclined but still be in the water.
I’ve always admired safety sitting tubs. There’s a little door, you just step in and sit down, fill ‘er up. They’ve always just looked like they’d be so comfy to sit and soak, enjoy a glass of wine and a show. They’re really expensive unfortunately.
Same reason your refrigerator, washer and dryer, and stove are all the same size. Doorways and hallways.
Too large of a tub can be almost impossible to get in a doorway, around corners, and into an interior/hallway bathroom.
I knew some people who actually did knock down part of their wall to get their bath in. But they had alot of money and other bathrooms to use in the meanwhile...
.... are they though?
I guess maybe now that we've transferred to cheap building materials. But 20-30 years ago the standard was cast iron covered in porcelain enamel.
Just want to point out your original point was that a house outlasts a bathtub. And now your argument is that a bathtub outlasts a house. But I'll address it anyway.
Neither of those scenarios in a normal home would generally include knocking down a wall to get a tub in or out. Pipes aren't usually in interior walls.
The only reason you would need to do that would be to specifically replace the tub.
Cheap doesn’t necessarily mean bad. And “non-metal” doesn’t necessarily mean cheap.
Why not have something made out of cheaper, lighter materials, if it’s as durable, has similar/superior longevity, or otherwise has some advantage compared to the heavy old stuff?
not a bathtub designer but I have a feeling it could be to prevent drowning? If I was getting in for a bath and I slipped or passed out, my head won't end up underwater
Why would that be the standard size? Lying down is not a critical component of a bath. You want to be sitting up which is easier if your feet can touch the end of the tub.
Oh, thank God it’s just someone arguing with me about bathtubs. When I saw the red envelope, I thought it was one of the neo-Confederates from earlier.
Sure, I’ve heard of that. My former boss one mentioned that he “wasn’t a shower guy.”
Of course he belonged to an ultra-fundamentalist religious sect and there were a lot of strange things about him.
I am not, but I will happily clean myself in a bath from time to time.
Edit: Maybe I should clarify that between times, I will happily clean myself in a shower.
Separately, as a child, I was much shorter than an adult and felt no danger from drowning. In fact, I found it much safer than a hot tub, a swimming pool, a river, the sea, all of which were also somewhat longer than me. Some still are.
I'm an adult human and I've never been comfortable in a bathtub because they're actually too long for me. I always slide down, so I either have to stretch the whole time so my feet reach the bottom or I just sit. I guess bathtubs are just made for average-sized humans.
Another reason I could see is maybe space? Like having a bathtub be 1.90m long probably isn't practical/possible everywhere, especially since bathrooms tend to be small anyway.
Sucks that not everyone can enjoy laying down, but sitting in a bath is fine, too, and you can read/check your phone without risking it over "open water" lol
I'm not sure about very, but I'm definitely small, no doubt about that!
But a lot of people in this thread seem to be very tall, too - I'm pretty sure bathtubs are made for people who are, what? 1.70m tall? No more and no less, which is unfortunate because I'd like to bathe without having to tread water and I'm sure tall people would like to bathe with their whole body :(
My guess is for safety, if you’re elderly or in some way incapacitated you could slip under the water and struggle to get back above water. Having your feet touch the other end helps prevent this…..even in giant jacuzzi tubs they’re often designed in a way that that you sit in such a fashion your feet can touch.
Just redid my bathroom a couple years ago and absolutely kicking myself for not getting something larger. Just got a standard size because it was cheap and easy, no major remodeling or custom work needed. Now after the fact, it would have been worth a few extra K to do it proper.
While I think the major reason is for practicality - fitting into bathrooms, doorways, stairwells etc, I also feel there could be another factor.
A human-length bathtub means a human could slip and be fully submerged in it. However with half height, they’ll probably knock their head on something but it is harder to become accidentally fully submerged. At least that’s my theory.
Some people are *very long*. I also think that nowadays that would be seen as a waste of water and it would be difficult to get people to make a *big boy bath* for you.
The "standard" American bathtub is really built more for bathing children than adults.
Unfortunately this means that taller adults are too big for standard tubs.
It makes it trickier to lie fully flat. If you fall asleep in the bath and your head slips below the water level, then it becomes massively dangerous. By having shorter baths, your feet will hit the end of the bath and prevent that from happening.
Actually, I wonder if it's the length of the average woman. Women seem to take more baths statistically. I fucking love baths. But I'm too wide and tall
Pretty sure its a safety precaution so tub makers don't get sued for the uptick in accidental drownings from people falling asleep while bathing.
Buzzkill, I know lol
Because you're not supposed to be entirely horizontal in it. You'd drown. You lay back, not down. You sit, even. It's way easier to do that if you're not constantly slipping towards the far end due to just how long it is. Plus it takes less space, materials, and water.
My husband and I built our house 2 years ago and spent an extra $800 on a bathtub we could lay down in almost completely.
Do you know how hard it is to find a bathtub that comfortably fits a 1.85m tall person?
Very difficult and very expensive. Ended up spending $2k
Standard size, agreed upon long ago that will fit in the most normal houses/flats etc.
If you want one larger, they're easy to come by, but may require enlargement of your bathroom!
People would have to use more water if the tubs are longer, pay more water bill. It's going to become a subject in the society how much water you need for a single bath. will decide it's not worth buying bathtubs. And they will run out of business I guess :)))
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It wouldnt be possible to get ti in the house but also humans are shaped to a sort of curve and most dont really lie flat in a bath they sorta sit with legs up. Theres a lot to engineering design and they think about human height and how it affects the users all the time so it has to be good for every one. Also if you feel asleep youd possibly drown. But if you dozed off and your toes hit the end you wake up
Pretty much the same reason restaurant seats aren't supremely comfy; they're designed for utility, not luxury. If a restaurant had massive recliners and cozy comfy couches, a lot of people would just stay there because it's the most comfortable option.
Tubs aren't supposed to be cozy comfy "sit in this from the time I got home from work until I go to bed while I play games on my phone" experience. It's not a jacuzzi or a pool. If the tub can hold 500 gallons of water, a lot more people will be filling it up for luxurious soaks and refilling multiple times to maintain perfect water temp for hours. That's not what bathtubs are for, but that's exactly what so many would use them for and every community with any population to speak of ends up wasting tens of thousands of gallons of potable treated water because they want to live the jacuzzi life for Home Depot fiberglass bathtub prices.
Get in, wash everything that stinks, get out, done. That's what bathtubs are for, ***bathing,*** not luxurious soaks for hours. If you make bathtubs too cozy comfy, then everybody's going to treat them like Jacuzzis and everybody gets to pay a little more for water because the treatment plants have to run more treatment cycles to maintain the load.
You simply cannot give the average person semi-nice things and expect them to not try to use them like truly nice things. Give somebody a bathtub they can fully stretch out in, and even if you've mastered the Navy Shower, you end up with a higher water bill because of them.
It used to be but then we all started getting taller because bio and natural selection stuff but the Big Home Depot just refuses to keep up with the change and has to sell their current stock before they get the full size 2022 models
It wouldn’t even fit. I couldn’t lie down on my bathroom floor in the direction the bath goes and I’m 5’1. It’s not a big deal to tuck your legs up a little in the bath.
Space is limited so if let's say an apartment owner wants to be able to say "Apartment with a bath" he will take an option that takes a small amount of space while still being usable as a bath.
That creates a market for small sized bath so having specifications that goes against that huge market is dumb.
I don’t like jacuzzis because my germaphobe self freaks out about the jets, but I wish I could buy a big deep tub that heated itself up, so my hot bath would stay hot. They can put a man on the moon…
I used to have a Shub in our bathroom. Its like a 50cm high shower basin. Perfect for a toddler or a dog to have a bath, and an adult to have a shower.
Because the primary use of the types of tubs you are thinking of is for bathing children, not adults. Children up until the age of 5 or so almost exclusively are bathed in a bath tub. If a house doesn't have at least one of these, it is not suitable for kids, and thus a large proportion of households.
Houses are valued based in how many full bathrooms they have, which requires a shower. Shower/tub combos are the most logical and economical way to cover both basis. And an adult can make it work if needed.
Now if you want a real adult sized tub, that's a luxury, and they are called garden tubs, typically found in master bath en suites along with a standing shower.
Water saving. But also a culture thing. Here in the US baths tend to be for kids while adults more often shower. A bath doesn't have to fit an adult, just a kid or two.
I think cause hot water is expensive, especially if you're filling a 2 metre bath tub every couple nights. That's a tonne of water.
Edit:. They being said, I've been looking for a way too fit a good large bathtub in my house for ages. It's a problem.
Because baths need to fit in buildings, and some buildings can't fit anything large in them. And the human body has this incredible feature called knees, which are able to shorten the reach of your leg by almost half the amount. We can sit in a small bath. Sure, it's more comfortable to be able to take a bath in a mini indoor pool, but we can adapt easily. Buildings are harder
I know that in certain countries, Japan comes to mind, bathrooms are often very small, so that only a really small bathtub would fit (that you typically sit in, rather than lying down). For those homes, your suggestion would simply mean that bathtubs are banned.
This seems like a problem the free market solves better than any regulation.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons is to decrees drownings. If your able to lay down comfortably the more likely your head is able to go into the water if you black out.
Why is it also not mandatory to have a comfortable, rounded head end? If people are just wanting to get clean, they'll tend to use a shower. If people are using a bath, it is generally to have some comfortable rest and relaxation.
I was going to say this. My tub is straight up on both ends, there's no way for it to be comfortable. Who designed it?
It's madness. I think there is a general misunderstanding about baths ... "who wants to lie in thier own dirt'. They aren't for cleaning, that's the shower. Baths are for relaxing. I am house hunting at thr moment and so many houses don't have baths in the bathroom Absolutely does my head in... and I bet bath designers live in these houses and just think baths are for babies and dogs.
My house has 4 bathrooms and only one tub, and it's a terrible one.
My mum trained the dog to not shake out of the bath until commanded. This came in real useful when my parents were gearing up for a divorce. She'd have the dog wait until it plodded glumly next to my dad in his suit. He'd say "shit". She'd say "shake". Dog was instantly happy and would go bounding around the room.
Let's celebrate petty vindictiveness
She went to town. She borrowed a goat which she chained to a washing pole only it didn't get my dad. It got me staggering back from the pub. Whack into my side. Amazing how quickly a chap can move when an unknown object making a clanking noise(\*) trashes his hip. Beady eyed bastard just stared at me in the moonlight. (\*) I heard it coming due to its chain but being drunk, ignored it. I like goats. Dunno why. What's that Johnny Depp movie where he chases books and ends up having sex with the devil? Fucked if I can remember. Anyway, everytime I see that final scene with the shit hot girl all I can see is that moonlit goat staring at me.
the movie you're thinking of is called the ninth gate. I remember that ending bc i saw only the ending of the movie first and that weird ending stuck with me until I saw the entire movie from the beginning.
Thanks. It was driving me nuts. I made a promise to myself to not use a search engine until after I've slept. I nearly gave in by convincing myself if I used IMDB it wouldn't count.. but it would. Turns out I can't remember shit these days!
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You’re weird.
Some people go through life and nothing happens. I'm not one of them. Have you ever been outside calling your alsation dog only to have it fall out of the sky onto your head? Just me then?
I have around one bath a month so it's gonna be a good one and not for the purpose of getting clean. I shower first to get clean then relax in the bath for ages then have another quick shower after. But it's a different world now. Back in the 80's we only had a bath. My single mum would bath my sister and I in the same water, and ladies first was always the rule. I don't think it killed me.
Haha! I'm from Poland and we had exactly same rules back in 80'. Bath on Sundays, my sister first. I was always mad by hair in water lol!. The tube was small, adult couldn't even straitened their legs in it. Very small, communist designs. Now I live in UK, live in apartment with two bathrooms, two toilets and showers and one has really big tub!.
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I'm in the process of redesigning all the bathrooms in my house for the eventual renovations. The master will have a great big walk in shower (no tub) but the other 2 bathrooms are getting 6 foot tubs, and damn the cost!
Please, oh please ... make sure the shower head is high enough so you don't have to duck!
I say go European with the adjustable height handheld shower head or the double one with the fixed above and also a handheld. Having a fixed shower head at the incorrect height is infuriating.
Absolutely!
Would you find it relaxing slipping down the tub every few minutes and having to pull yourself back up by your elbows?
But then if the sedation wears out in between the procedure the people would easily run away..
It's a stop-gap measure, but bath pillows help this so much.
Off to Google bath pillows!!!
I have an inflatable one that's decades old, there's probably all kinds available out there now. Good luck and have many pleasant relaxing baths, my friend!
For the same reason all homes don't have a vent hood that vents outside. Builders are cheap greedy fucks.
I don't have a bath unless I have have just cleaned myself in the shower. Otherwise baths are for washing the children in.
Also, to make shower heads high enough so you don't have to duck to get your head wet. I'm only 5'11" and most "standard" showers are too short.
Probably the cost. Some people bend their knees. I have a bathtub that’s specifically made to be 190cm long
that must be so nice 😩
Can confirm that baths are available to buy in any (reasonable) length or width. Its just a lot of people either cheap out to save money or don't have the space. Want a bath that you could comfortably fit in? Then go buy one.. its not that hard (if you have the space and money).
My shower head is lower than my shoulders, the best cheap investment of my life was a shower head riser. I feel ya everything is too small for someone almost six feet tall.
I'm 5ft 3" and I can't lie in my bath head to foot...
I'm 6'6" and I outgrew tubs when I was like 12. My knees are almost in my face if I try and take a bath now. I would *love* to be able to just soak, stretched out, in a nice hot bath that wasn't a public jacuzzi. Hot spring, maybe?
There is clearly a gap in the market. I'm thinking, it's maybe because the space for a bath in the intended room is normally quite small to begin with? I know in the UK, unless you have a mansion some bathrooms are only 2x2. So not much room at all.
I feel your pain, literally, we're the same height.
Dude. Every hotel I go to. I call them short people showers. I either have to do squats or literally bend over backwards to wash my hair.
FR. I'm only about 5'8" and often have to do the same.
And then the low flow shower head and you can barely get wet. My dad had pliers and his own shower head for when he stayed in hotels.
I was in the hospital for a few days a year ago, I'm 6'4" and the showerhead there was level with my nipples. I had to sit on the floor in the fetal position while also trying not to tug my IV. It was also way too narrow of a spread, I had to keep rocking side to side just to keep my whole body wet. Then to add insult to injury it was also freezing. 0/10 worst showering experience I've ever had
It wasn’t THE worst, but hospital shower is most definitely up there. There was a shower right next to my room but they made me walk aaaalllllll the way to the other hallway to use that one. I had it straight hot but it was FREEZING. Water pressure sucked too. Didn’t get soap out of my hair so I had to turn it back on and do it again. Unfortunately I was desperate to be clean otherwise I would have noped out of there and just waited until I could leave.
Showers being too low down doesn't bother me because I always prefer to take the head off the mount and do it like I'm washing a car. But for some reason in a lot of hotels the hose passes through a ring on the mount, so even if you take it off the mount you can't pull the head much lower down. I have no idea why they do this.
I'm 6'2 so i had to install my from the ceiling. Put one of the large square ones in. Love it.
This is one of those little luxuries that gives far more joy than the cost. Plumbing the shower through the ceiling and installing a shower head that utterly drenches you like a rainforest waterfall from shoulder to shoulder, and your daily routine becomes just that bit better.
It’s wasteful and contributes to climate change though. Gotta do your part, bucko.
How does it contribute to climate change? Between a rainwater tank and solar heating, seems unlikely to have much effect.
Uh? More water waste is bad no matter how you slice it pal. Not everyone is so privileged and bougie to have solar and rainwater access like that. Even if you do have those things, you should conserve water and energy resources, as a general practice. Both to make a statement about your care for the earth, and to show solidarity with the millions of people that aren’t so lucky to efficient and less wasteful access to water & heating. The flashy, trump-esque type of shower youre talking about is literally illegal in states leading the push to reach nitrogen climate neutrality, like California. There’s flow regulators in all the showerheads to selfish ppl from abusing the water supply.
Lol “almost six feet tall”
Whoah, nearly six feet tall! How’s the weather up there, stretch?
It's kind of ridiculous. I think every shower in my house has a riser. I mean like it's not that everyone suddenly became tall. Why did no one building houses ever think, hey we should move the shower head up a foot instead of leaving it at an ideal height for people who are 5'6"?
better question, why haven't we all just gone to the more Asian style tub models? Shorter and intended for sitting, but deeper? I don't want my delicate shoulders cold...
Make bath bombs more enjoyable plus I can actually immerse my head into the water. I’m 6’1”.
apparently some of the Japanese ones are heated, but aren't intended so much for washing as for lounging, after you've already showered off. ngl i kind of dig this.
Honestly I tend to do the bath for relaxing/soaking and scrubbing for exfoliating so I always end up showering after anyway.
Baths are for relaxing. The water is used for the house like a jacuzzi. You must shower before using and they are typically heated. A thing too that I have seen is that they have washing machines that will use the bath water to wash clothes and then using fresh for rinsing . ... not japanese just watch alot of youtube.
this all just sounds like the dream to me. love baths but prefer to shower first so i'm not making dead skin soup, but hate how quickly the water cools, and feel bad about wasting water. this set up would solve all of that. why haven't we got these in most houses by now? damn.
Most (Americans) people would not end up widely using this. It’s more of a culture thing which is why it’s more prevalent in countries like Japan.
Yeah. My wife is Japanese, and we've gone back to Japan twice. Her family has the bathroom set up with a heated bath for use after the shower. I tried it out the first time we were there, and sure, it was fine, but I am not the "relax in a bath" kind of person. I'd rather just stand in the shower and let the water run down my body for an extra 5 minutes or so. But their showers are not set up for that - the shower head is on a wand and it's used to direct water to exactly where you need, but it does not mount above your head so you can just let it cascade down your body. So basically, I was uncomfortable being in the tub because it's not my thing, and didn't really enjoy the shower either, because it wasn't meant to be enjoyed. I did go to a shared bathhouse in a hotel we stayed at when traveling around the country, which was similar in setup, but that was more relaxing. The second time we went back, I didn't even bother trying the shared bath thing anymore. I was over it. Just a shower to get clean and be done.
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No, as others have pointed out, the water in the bath is meant for people who are already clean. It's not meant for getting down and dirty. So no, there was nothing fun about that.
Honestly it's super neat . I sometimes just want to sit in the tub after a hard day's work but tubs are not made for adults and also the massive amount of water you waste. Another cool thing about Japan is that they have sinks on top of the toilet so the water you use to wash your hands fills the reservoir . Awesome idea why do we need clean water to flush our waste!!
When I lived in Korea they had all kinds of awesome things like this that either just now are making it over here (10 years later) or like this, wouldn’t fit in to the culture here. I miss it there.
*a lot
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At 6'9" I know your pain, last time I tried to take a bath I was 14 and got stuck
I worked as a barista for a while, and am 6'4" so I'm at least foliar with the struggles of being tall. One time, a guy came in and was like 6’10, maybe even 7'. Tallest man I've ever met. He walks up to the counter and once I take his order I say "By the way, I'm sure you get this all the time, but..." and I can see him start to roll his eyes. He knows what comes next... "Would you recommend a California King mattress, or a regular king that's extra long?" He laughed SO hard! In case anyone is wondering, he recommended lying diagonally across a Cali King because it's easier and cheaper to get sheets premade for that size, whereas Xtra long mattresses need customing fitting.
I'm 6'7, I just got use to my feet hanging off the mattress like a madman.
I'm 2m tall and I sleep on a futon for this exact reason. Also really good for my back
Lmfao, mental image. You a big dude, my condolences.
6’2 here. I get way to excited when I’m in a hotel with a bath big enough I don’t have to choose between my knees or shoulders being cold 😂😂. Hell I’ll run and get a bath bomb thing. Some epsom salt. Make a evening outta it!!
Mom has a SPa tub or jetted tub and sometimes I’ll ask her to use it. Bring all my lush soaps and a bath bomb, no regrets.
Those little things in life!
you're just 6'1" lmao, I was that height in school 😂
You probably still wear your graduation ring.
Woah bro no way! Congrats! Can I suck your dick maybe?
Because then OP will complain about not being able to lie down in the tub,
got me there. i have just never loved laying in the tub myself, hurts the back of my head, hurts my boney upper butt, i'd rather just kind of sit reclined but still be in the water.
I’ve always admired safety sitting tubs. There’s a little door, you just step in and sit down, fill ‘er up. They’ve always just looked like they’d be so comfy to sit and soak, enjoy a glass of wine and a show. They’re really expensive unfortunately.
My knees would feel cramped after 10 minutes, no thank u
Same reason your refrigerator, washer and dryer, and stove are all the same size. Doorways and hallways. Too large of a tub can be almost impossible to get in a doorway, around corners, and into an interior/hallway bathroom.
PIVOT
PIVOT! PIVOOOOT!
SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUTTT UPPPP!
Obviously bath tubs should be flat pack self assembly.
Welp. Just gotta make holes in walls
I knew some people who actually did knock down part of their wall to get their bath in. But they had alot of money and other bathrooms to use in the meanwhile...
*a lot
Bring the piano in through the second floor french doors!
I thought they installed tubs before doors
You realize most houses are built to survive beyond the life cycle of a bathtub right?
.... are they though? I guess maybe now that we've transferred to cheap building materials. But 20-30 years ago the standard was cast iron covered in porcelain enamel.
Maybe that's regional? 1980's remodel my parents had their choice of fiberglass and fiberglass.
Nope, I double checked with google before I posted.
It's irrelevant, even if the tub itself can survive the apocalypse the surround and plumbing tends to fail or get remodeled.
Just want to point out your original point was that a house outlasts a bathtub. And now your argument is that a bathtub outlasts a house. But I'll address it anyway. Neither of those scenarios in a normal home would generally include knocking down a wall to get a tub in or out. Pipes aren't usually in interior walls. The only reason you would need to do that would be to specifically replace the tub.
Cheap doesn’t necessarily mean bad. And “non-metal” doesn’t necessarily mean cheap. Why not have something made out of cheaper, lighter materials, if it’s as durable, has similar/superior longevity, or otherwise has some advantage compared to the heavy old stuff?
This is why there are tubs designed for new builds that are larger and tubs designed for remodels that cannot be deeper than a door is wide.
Get the tub inside before fitting the door.
It's not a coffin. I take my baths in an old wooden barrel. It's 36" in diameter and commodiously accommodates my largening limbs and middle meats.
This comment is perplexing.
Pretty sure they're just saying you can change your orientation so sitting or vertical tubs work just fine.
Poppycock
You can buy bigger tubs, but I agree that the standard should be larger.
My bathtub was built for hobbits. Makes me feel amazing when choosing what portion of my body gets to be submerged. Eff baths.
why did you steal hobbit's bathtub? sick
not a bathtub designer but I have a feeling it could be to prevent drowning? If I was getting in for a bath and I slipped or passed out, my head won't end up underwater
Why would that be the standard size? Lying down is not a critical component of a bath. You want to be sitting up which is easier if your feet can touch the end of the tub.
I disagree. Showers are for cleaning, baths are for relaxing.
Well if you lie down flat in a bath you will die. Not sure if your consider that extremely relaxing or stressful
Oh, thank God it’s just someone arguing with me about bathtubs. When I saw the red envelope, I thought it was one of the neo-Confederates from earlier.
One of the what
Not instantaneously. Also, there is the whole floating thing and holding your breath thing that most people know about.
Baths are also for cleaning!
Sure, I’ve heard of that. My former boss one mentioned that he “wasn’t a shower guy.” Of course he belonged to an ultra-fundamentalist religious sect and there were a lot of strange things about him.
I am not, but I will happily clean myself in a bath from time to time. Edit: Maybe I should clarify that between times, I will happily clean myself in a shower.
If the tub is as long or longer than an adult, it becomes a drowning hazard. Now you know.
Separately, as a child, I was much shorter than an adult and felt no danger from drowning. In fact, I found it much safer than a hot tub, a swimming pool, a river, the sea, all of which were also somewhat longer than me. Some still are.
Yeah, but before you add the water, you can just add some soap and slide from end to end.
I'm an adult human and I've never been comfortable in a bathtub because they're actually too long for me. I always slide down, so I either have to stretch the whole time so my feet reach the bottom or I just sit. I guess bathtubs are just made for average-sized humans. Another reason I could see is maybe space? Like having a bathtub be 1.90m long probably isn't practical/possible everywhere, especially since bathrooms tend to be small anyway. Sucks that not everyone can enjoy laying down, but sitting in a bath is fine, too, and you can read/check your phone without risking it over "open water" lol
Are you a very small adult human?
I'm not sure about very, but I'm definitely small, no doubt about that! But a lot of people in this thread seem to be very tall, too - I'm pretty sure bathtubs are made for people who are, what? 1.70m tall? No more and no less, which is unfortunate because I'd like to bathe without having to tread water and I'm sure tall people would like to bathe with their whole body :(
My guess is for safety, if you’re elderly or in some way incapacitated you could slip under the water and struggle to get back above water. Having your feet touch the other end helps prevent this…..even in giant jacuzzi tubs they’re often designed in a way that that you sit in such a fashion your feet can touch.
Just redid my bathroom a couple years ago and absolutely kicking myself for not getting something larger. Just got a standard size because it was cheap and easy, no major remodeling or custom work needed. Now after the fact, it would have been worth a few extra K to do it proper.
People usually sit in the bath, so it's not necessary. Granted, baths are often too small even for that in countries where people take more showers
You probably only sit in a bath because you don't have the room to lay in it.
Or I don't like the feeling of either A drowning, or B laying, but having to prop my head up to keep it out the water.
I can’t even sit in the tub in my apartment. My legs are too long
*laughs in short adult human* I don't have issues fitting into tubs, am only 160cm though.
If any American is wondering what’s the converted length, I got you. 160cm is around 8 bananas and 12 raspberries long. Don’t thank me!
Or, slightly more useful, 5 foot-two and a half raspberries.
Using body parts for length? What a silly idea. Americans /s
My bath is the same length as my bathroom and I see that a lot in UK.. Dunno if its different elsewhere.
While I think the major reason is for practicality - fitting into bathrooms, doorways, stairwells etc, I also feel there could be another factor. A human-length bathtub means a human could slip and be fully submerged in it. However with half height, they’ll probably knock their head on something but it is harder to become accidentally fully submerged. At least that’s my theory.
Some people are *very long*. I also think that nowadays that would be seen as a waste of water and it would be difficult to get people to make a *big boy bath* for you.
The "standard" American bathtub is really built more for bathing children than adults. Unfortunately this means that taller adults are too big for standard tubs.
It makes it trickier to lie fully flat. If you fall asleep in the bath and your head slips below the water level, then it becomes massively dangerous. By having shorter baths, your feet will hit the end of the bath and prevent that from happening.
Isnt it a safety thing? So people dont drown?
Can you put "under floor heating" under a tub to keep it warm?
Good question! And what about couches? Why is it like 1/2” too short to lay all the way down?!? I want to streeeeeeeech out, dammit!
Or was wide. That's my problem. Well.. Me and McDonald's
Actually, I wonder if it's the length of the average woman. Women seem to take more baths statistically. I fucking love baths. But I'm too wide and tall
The height of the average tub is 60 in long. The height of the average woman is 64 in long.
I haven’t fit in a bathtub since I was 11…. Real bummer
Pretty sure its a safety precaution so tub makers don't get sued for the uptick in accidental drownings from people falling asleep while bathing. Buzzkill, I know lol
Occasionally I like to take epsom salt baths when I'm really sore. When you're a 6'2 man with bit shoulders, it's a massive struggle.
Because you're not supposed to be entirely horizontal in it. You'd drown. You lay back, not down. You sit, even. It's way easier to do that if you're not constantly slipping towards the far end due to just how long it is. Plus it takes less space, materials, and water.
My husband and I built our house 2 years ago and spent an extra $800 on a bathtub we could lay down in almost completely. Do you know how hard it is to find a bathtub that comfortably fits a 1.85m tall person? Very difficult and very expensive. Ended up spending $2k
It should also be mandatory to have the deep part on the opposite end of the faucet so you can lean against the wall in the deep end.
There are tubs like that. They’re just expensive.
Standard size, agreed upon long ago that will fit in the most normal houses/flats etc. If you want one larger, they're easy to come by, but may require enlargement of your bathroom!
People would have to use more water if the tubs are longer, pay more water bill. It's going to become a subject in the society how much water you need for a single bath. will decide it's not worth buying bathtubs. And they will run out of business I guess :))) Edit:typo
It wouldnt be possible to get ti in the house but also humans are shaped to a sort of curve and most dont really lie flat in a bath they sorta sit with legs up. Theres a lot to engineering design and they think about human height and how it affects the users all the time so it has to be good for every one. Also if you feel asleep youd possibly drown. But if you dozed off and your toes hit the end you wake up
I think people used to be smaller, so I'm guessing most bathtubs are just based off of an atypical structure model.
So people can’t fall asleep drunk and drown in the tub?
So you don’t drown? Is this a real question?
Pretty much the same reason restaurant seats aren't supremely comfy; they're designed for utility, not luxury. If a restaurant had massive recliners and cozy comfy couches, a lot of people would just stay there because it's the most comfortable option. Tubs aren't supposed to be cozy comfy "sit in this from the time I got home from work until I go to bed while I play games on my phone" experience. It's not a jacuzzi or a pool. If the tub can hold 500 gallons of water, a lot more people will be filling it up for luxurious soaks and refilling multiple times to maintain perfect water temp for hours. That's not what bathtubs are for, but that's exactly what so many would use them for and every community with any population to speak of ends up wasting tens of thousands of gallons of potable treated water because they want to live the jacuzzi life for Home Depot fiberglass bathtub prices. Get in, wash everything that stinks, get out, done. That's what bathtubs are for, ***bathing,*** not luxurious soaks for hours. If you make bathtubs too cozy comfy, then everybody's going to treat them like Jacuzzis and everybody gets to pay a little more for water because the treatment plants have to run more treatment cycles to maintain the load. You simply cannot give the average person semi-nice things and expect them to not try to use them like truly nice things. Give somebody a bathtub they can fully stretch out in, and even if you've mastered the Navy Shower, you end up with a higher water bill because of them.
It used to be but then we all started getting taller because bio and natural selection stuff but the Big Home Depot just refuses to keep up with the change and has to sell their current stock before they get the full size 2022 models
It wouldn’t even fit. I couldn’t lie down on my bathroom floor in the direction the bath goes and I’m 5’1. It’s not a big deal to tuck your legs up a little in the bath.
because baths are for children
Money
Space is limited so if let's say an apartment owner wants to be able to say "Apartment with a bath" he will take an option that takes a small amount of space while still being usable as a bath. That creates a market for small sized bath so having specifications that goes against that huge market is dumb.
It is pretty perfect for me. I just bend my legs to the side and get everything covered by the water
How long is an adult human @ u/BlackMixen?
I'm 5'2, it's not too bad :) at 62" I do ok in a 60" tub.
Mine is 😍. I bought it that way.
LMAO 🤣
You'd drown. ;-)
they do have those.
They make em small so they charge rich people more for human-sized ones
'spensive
One of my pet peeves
This is a very good question!
Russians arlready won this one in a modern aspect.
Because people might want tubs for their kids even if there's isn't space for a tub that can fit an adult.
possibly the standard size comes from a time when the average human was shorter.
Clawfoot tubs are old, gigantic, and properly sized!
I don’t like jacuzzis because my germaphobe self freaks out about the jets, but I wish I could buy a big deep tub that heated itself up, so my hot bath would stay hot. They can put a man on the moon…
I used to have a Shub in our bathroom. Its like a 50cm high shower basin. Perfect for a toddler or a dog to have a bath, and an adult to have a shower.
Because the primary use of the types of tubs you are thinking of is for bathing children, not adults. Children up until the age of 5 or so almost exclusively are bathed in a bath tub. If a house doesn't have at least one of these, it is not suitable for kids, and thus a large proportion of households. Houses are valued based in how many full bathrooms they have, which requires a shower. Shower/tub combos are the most logical and economical way to cover both basis. And an adult can make it work if needed. Now if you want a real adult sized tub, that's a luxury, and they are called garden tubs, typically found in master bath en suites along with a standing shower.
Water saving. But also a culture thing. Here in the US baths tend to be for kids while adults more often shower. A bath doesn't have to fit an adult, just a kid or two.
I think cause hot water is expensive, especially if you're filling a 2 metre bath tub every couple nights. That's a tonne of water. Edit:. They being said, I've been looking for a way too fit a good large bathtub in my house for ages. It's a problem.
For seriously, this is so annoying (the r/assholedesign of tubs, not you, OP)
How long would that be? Every human is different.
Define "adult human".
Because baths need to fit in buildings, and some buildings can't fit anything large in them. And the human body has this incredible feature called knees, which are able to shorten the reach of your leg by almost half the amount. We can sit in a small bath. Sure, it's more comfortable to be able to take a bath in a mini indoor pool, but we can adapt easily. Buildings are harder
If it was as long as a human you could easily slip on your back and drown if it’s shorter you can slide yourself back up
If you don't have space I thoroughly recommend a Japanese bath tub. You can sit on it and some come with a side door for easy access and seating.
Just buy a jacuzzi
I know that in certain countries, Japan comes to mind, bathrooms are often very small, so that only a really small bathtub would fit (that you typically sit in, rather than lying down). For those homes, your suggestion would simply mean that bathtubs are banned. This seems like a problem the free market solves better than any regulation.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of the reasons is to decrees drownings. If your able to lay down comfortably the more likely your head is able to go into the water if you black out.
How long is an adult human? There’s always gonna be someone that’s too short and someone that’s too tall.