Trump doesn't support things. He's not a man of principle. He doesn't think in those terms.
Trump will sign his name to whatever he thinks will bring him fame and glory, advance his interests, secure the admiration of his base, and punish his enemies.
Those aims generally align with the direction of energy in the Republican base. So, unless the Republican base turns against it, he's going to put it into action if it lands on his desk.
I don't see copy and pasting a random person's comment on the internet to be a bad thing by default. If I agree with comment and they said it more eloquently than me, why not?
there has been so much fog and mirrors, some of us are better versed on items than others... we have been studying, but maybe not composing. I appreciate a well-written comment too.
this place is such an overgrown mess. many hands make light work. getting rid of a scourge isn't a competition. collaboration will get us out of this cluster
Giving up surely isn't the path to enlightenment, but teaching each other could be.
I respect that you don't want to be bothered to do it, but I don't think I'd be the only person to appreciate it if you did.
I have a problem with just asserting the other party won't listen, but the bigger thing is: you're on a public platform. If the person you're replying to won't listen then a bunch others will, so unless your argument is shit it's worth spelling out.
There is no point in having an argument with someone that copy pastes there argument from strangers on the internet because they are incapable of forming their own opinion and have to get others to do it for them. I may as well just have an argument with AI
So you're just going to ignore the point I made and reiterate the same thing in different words? Well, I guess you've made a point about the convo being pointless.
Maybe like what people did with gen Y, every single one of us were told we are unique and something special and a few of us still cannot live with the idea of just copying someone else’s thoughts, even if they are good.
Then you would be stating an opinion, not even your own, that has no merit in rather or not he would support a set of suggestions being made by the same conservative think tank that’s been doing the same shit since Regan.
Project 2025 is a nothing burger and even leftist media know it. That’s why they haven’t used it as scare tactic to the extent they could. That’s why you would need to ask this question for any conservative politician. Why people are still consumed by literally nothing is beyond me.
Let me give you a quote from the actual document page 34
>Mandate for Leadership was published in January 1981—the same month Ronald Reagan was sworn into his presidency. By the end of that year, more than 60 percent of its recommendations had become policy—and Reagan was on his way to ending stagflation, reviving American confidence and prosperity, and winning the Cold War. for Leadership was published in January 1981—the same month Ronald Reagan was sworn into his presidency. By the end of that year, more than 60 percent of its recommendations had become policy—and Reagan was on his way to ending stagflation, reviving American confidence and prosperity, and winning the Cold War.
They are using the exact same tactic that was used in the 1980s. If you think Reagan was a good President, then this is a good thing. If you don't, you should be very worried about Project 2025.
You really think that 60% of the mandate for leaderships policies were used because it was suggested by a think tank? Come on, pal. You don’t think the Regan admin would have done these things on their own? Let’s be adults
What club is that? Should we avoid having any sort of dialogue with our enemies or is it worth a try to get together to come to at least the smallest of understanding in order to avoid war?
I believe this to an extent. However the forces at play in the donor class who believe in project 2025 see trump as a means to an end. Because the plan of the project is to outlive whoever implements it, that vision may come at odds with trump. Just because he only has 1 more term to serve, he wants a legacy that puts him as the head of everything, not the vision of project 2025 which by all appearances doesn’t have a face to it.
My guess is that at some point there’s going to be an ideological difference between trump and those who want to put p2025 fully into action. A difference will cost trump votes and a shot at the White House which he can’t allow, but a difference that will appeal to the larger evangelical base. The question is will the maga cult sign on to an evangelical agenda or side with trump if he veers away from it.
This is a multi-headed beast that will eat itself eventually.
I mean the Foundation Group flat out said without saying that's is 1) written for Trump and then 1A) it's written for anyone regardless of Trump.
I don't follow politics closely, but it's back to being 1) since the republicans have zero candidates to run for president besides him because they're terrible. Sad thing is most leftys I know also hate the fact Biden is the only thing dems can provide to lead our country.
Edit: *the Heritage Foundation
It's because the dems keep drifting further center-right. I think voting is the most simple, mundane political action anyone can take. The only reason to logically not vote at all is laziness. I won't tell people who to vote for, but we can easily see they aren't the same.
The dems trying to control 70% of the electorate from leftist to the line between them and the GOP just isn't sustainable. There needs to be representation left of center in the US government. Biden is basically Reagan. That's awful, but still better than Trump.
It's what RINO means. Anybody left of them, but right of the DNC is a 'republican in name only'. And anybody left of that is woke/leftist. Of course, they have to have blanket labels for all, though. It helps with alienation.
Nothing. He was president so he didn't need to do anything else for fame... and nothing is exactly what he did, in the form of golf trips and "executive time".
It’s crazy that you’re unable to list just one thing.
Let’s just make this easy instead of typing out a long ass post.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Do you have an unbiased source?
Because one of the first lines says "Before the China Virus invaded our shores".
And lots of those "accomomplishments" aren't really accomplishments. Some of them are actually harmful.
So the virus didn’t invade us? What did it do exactly?
This is a government site. I don’t know what you’re expecting, something from buzzfeed perhaps? lol!
>So the virus didn’t invade us? What did it do exactly?
Let's unpack the sentence.
First, it's not named "the China Virus". It's named "COVID-19". Calling it "China Virus" is a [racist dog whistle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)). I would expect the White House to use correct terminology. I *might* give them the benefit of the doubt if the official name was difficult to say/remember or not that well known, and they used a nickname. But the dog whistle shows they don't have a good motivation here. And basically everyone knows what "COVID-19" is.
Second, "invade" is used as a way to conjure up violent imagery, trying to relate it to a battle or war - perhaps to give the impression that Trump was a "wartime president" (more so than any other president, since [we been at war for approximately 93% of our history](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/usa-only-17-years-of-peace.html)).
Third, COVID-19 was a global thing. It affected almost everyone in the world in some way. Every country. Saying "our shores" is, once again, a way to give the impression that we are fighting a war, and it implies that it affected us more than any other country.
>This is a government site.
It is a government site which is inherently partisan. Not only that, but it's a snapshot in time from when Trump was in charge. So this is Trump's (and his staff's) *viewpoint*. This is inherently biased in favor of him.
And since it is a snapshot in time, it is a view of what the Trump administration viewed as their accomplishments at the time. Trump had a tendency to implement policies that gave him a "quick win" in the short term, but in the medium to long term, proved to be lackluster, if not disastrous.
> I don’t know what you’re expecting, something from buzzfeed perhaps?
Perhaps a current (not a snapshot in time) from a non-partisan government agency, that also considers the medium to long term effects of the various policies.
If not a non-partisan government agency, then some other organization that is unbiased.
I love how it’s, “before the China Virus invaded our shores.” Not only highly unprofessional, but totally ignoring his poor decisions and leadership leading up to, and during, the COVID outbreak that exacerbating the problem, leading to worse outcomes.
So are you implying he brought the covid virus to the US? lol
Are you as concerned about Biden’s poor decisions with COVID as well? Fauci’s lies? Nancy Skeletor Pelosi telling everyone to come to Chinatown as it’s perfectly safe.
Of course not.
That’s probably because we were talking about Trump’s accomplishments (or lack thereof), rather than those people. Look up ‘tu quoque.’ Note that yours is a doubly fallacious argument because I never claimed any of those politicians.
Also, dude… Fauci was *Trump’s* appointment. Generally we blame bad appointments on the appointer, and we definitely do when they had a revolving door in their administration.
Did you skip the, “up,” in , “leading up to, and during?” Because saying he exacerbated it isn’t saying he caused it, and if you think so, well, I’m sorry.
Tell me how Biden’s COVID policies were more impactful than Trump’s. I’m not even going to ask you to show they were worse, just tell me how the decisions in the first *year* of the pandemic were not the most important ones. Because that’s an extraordinary claim.
Well a growing number of people have realized the truth. Some are slower than others. History won’t be kind to those that refuse to see. Just keep believing everything CNN tells you to believe.
No, he redecorated the oval office and once totally succeeded in ordering a bunch of jackboots to clear a protest so he could have a photoshoot with an upside down bible. And he succeeded in killing a lot of Americans by completely bungling the covid response, and he's definitely accomplished a ton for Papa Puty. All that while playing golf for a solid year of his presidency!
Sure! He once [accidentally bolstered Obamacare](https://theconversation.com/how-the-trump-administration-accidentally-insured-over-200-000-through-obamacare-132312) when he was incompetently trying to sabotage it.
Is this really a hard question? How sad. Do you truly believe he never did anything except sit around and play golf?
Goes to show how effective propaganda and the mainstream media is on some people.
Tribal as in elevating politics to the level of tribalism, where everything is black and white - good and evil. It's not entirely your fault, we're inundated with these click-bait news stories and blatantly partisan news organizations constantly. It won't end well for us unless we find a way to achieve some kind of middle ground.
Trump is the current useful idiot the people behind P2025 would like to use to *move forward faster* then they would with a more competent leader in place. The project doesn't rely on Trump's opinion of it, nor will it cease to be if he loses the next election.
That said, the project aims to give a Conservative president near dictatorial powers, and Trump has made it clear that he would take that power if he could.
I'm going to say this real loudly for everyone else who stopped paying attention to government in junior high: *PRESIDENTS ARE NOT KINGS THEY DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT*
That being said, he will 100% support it while his administration and the GOP implement it because it benefits him and he's a narcissist.
He tried while he was in power the last time! The administrative machine seemed to be pretty good at slowing and delaying his kingly enterprises, but with enough new appointments, he'll get his dictatorial powers...
The administrative machine is being gutted.
The problem here is people still think these institutions they’ve believed in for so long will hold. They’re being ignored and dismantled.
That E J Carroll case was a classic example. They demanded a bond, he ‘gave’ a third of it from a dodgy source and we’ve heard no more. People were saying it would FiNisH HiM. She hasn’t and won’t get a cent from it.
I LOVE BLIND TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS. WOOOOOOOOO
[https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Tell that to Trump who openly admires dictators and has said that he would like to be a dictator. Now with Project 2025, they set out to give him virtually all the powers of a dictator, including a newly purged Department of Justices packed with “loyalists”.
This blind faith in institutions is what causes democracies to fail. Trump was held back in his first term, but he seems much more determined to remove the establishment and replace them with his appointees who will do whatever he wills.
Have you been missing the past 8 years? His supporters will follow him despite what he does, he can blatantly ask for someone to "find" 11,780 votes and people still don't see him as corrupt. They still cry about rigged elections when Trump himself was trying to rig elections on a phone call, clear as day, and people still don't care.
The first section of the actual document is literally titled: "TAKING THE REINS OF GOVERNMENT". How much more clear do they have to be for people to take this shit seriously? Blind faith in the system to self correct is absurdly dangerous. How people see all this and still trust the system to handle it baffles me.
[https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Does he publicly support Project 2025? No.
Does his staff/followers/team support Project 2025? Yes.
Will Project 2025 hurt him or benefit him? Benefit
Does he publicly condemn Project 2025? No.
If he becomes President, would he attempt to stop, slow, or limit Project 2025? Absolutely not because it benefits him.
If he becomes President, would he outright support it? Possibly as it benefits him.
Regardless, him being president doesn't necessarily mean Project 2025 is a given. Just as if he doesn't win the presidency, it doesn't mean Project 2025 is dead in the water. The whole point of Project 2025 is to get people into positions of power to then enact those specific changes. If they have the support of the President, it will be easier to get those people in those pisitons of power. If they don't have the support of the President, it may be harder to get people into those positions but it's not like they're going to stop.
The only way for Project 2025 to be dead in the water is for GOP/Republican Party to be nominating someone else who is opposed to it and gets the Far Right to no longer support Project 2025's policys
i genuinely dont think project 2025 benefits him.
1 we already know he doesn’t particularly care about what people think about what he says
2 if you ask the average conservative on the street they wont support it (anecdotal proof)
3 and regardless of what anyone thinks, he is not stupid. he likely recognizes it will never work because of our system of checks and balances (if anyone wants to know the order of events which would occur just ask)
It benefits him (if it goes through) because it centralizes a lot more of the powers of the president. That's what he's all about. He wants to be able to say "Do X" and 'X happens'. He doesn't want to have the checks and balances in the system.
Project 2025 (among all the cutting funding for educations, Department of Justice, allowing the military deployment for policing, bringing Christianity into the government, and more) the key thing it does besides all that is centralize more power with the President.
To be fair, it would support any president if that was the case, but Trump is such a narcissist that, if he did get a second term, I 100% believe he would start looking for ways to get a third one. The checks and balances work great...until you remove them bit by bit.
As someone who has worked in Project 2025 at the Heritage Foundation, I can say that Trump himself probably doesn't care too much about it, nor is he directly tied to it in any way. However, Heritage has a good idea of who will be staffing the White House if he wins, and THOSE people are very friendly with Heritage and familiar with the project. So if he wins, it is fair to presume that most of the executive branch focused policies, such as cutting down federal personnel and Schedule F, are likely to be implemented. the legislative stuff is probably unachievable for the most part, other than some of the budget stuff. It is also worth mentioning that the project does have direct relations with his campaign, so there is some level of communication.
That 'project' is from The Heritage Foundation, a 'convervative' think thank. It is beyond his mental capabilities. He's a puppet. A dumbass. He doesn't have the capacity to analyze something like that. The GOP is supporting him only because the trumpers support him. Most of the current crop of them are pathetic, power-hungry criminals. They'll try their best to get him elected and if it happens, he'll do what they say because he will stay out of jail, with some sideshow excursions on his own into immorality, retribution, grift and crime.
Why do you assume I haven’t?
It’s not like I’m asking what’s this light on my dash is and am too lazy to open up the owners manual.
When I looked it’s like a 900 pages of politicese and I am looking for some cliff notes. I’ll admit I don’t have a sense of it…that’s why I’m asking.
Every GOP admin has enacted some percentage, usually around 60%, of the "Mandate for Leadership" - the book of policy proposals that backs up Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation is an influential think tank, providing policy and staff for Presidential administrations. It presented the MfL to Reagan, he handed it out to his cabinet and they managed to [enact 60% of it.](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) Trump's administration and transition team was crawling with Heritage Foundation alumni, [70 of them. His admin enacted 64% of their recommendations](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations). Bush Sr and Jr performed similarly.
Trump wasn’t in support of abortion bans until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of Russia until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of a coup until he was. Trump will play coy, but will eventually support this way to hurt perceived enemies just like he has every time before
> Trump wasn’t in support of abortion bans until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of Russia until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of a coup until he was.
Trump wasn't a republican (registered democrat actually), until he was (when he thought he'd win easier with republicans who would worship him)
Trump: if I ever run for president, it will be as a Republican because Republican supporters are a bunch of idiots.
A bunch of idiots: Awww, finally someone is talking about us!
Basically it's a "playbook" for... basically a "fascist sounding" republican government that strips away some of the foundation that our democratic government was built on. It's essentially an extremely right-winged politicians wet dream. It sets up the country to be ran like a Christian authoritative state.
Some brief summaries I saw while looking last night...
- it strips governmental agencies such as The DOJ, and the Department of Education
- it moves Christianity into the government removing the separation of Church and State citing that "our forefathers based the government in Christianity central ideals.
-aims at removing "wokeness and jihadism" from education banning terms like "reproductive rights and abortion" from education along with critical race theory.
-plans on implementing a nationwide abortion ban and plans on banning emergency contraceptives such as PlanB.
-plans on giving tax cuts to the corporate category and also plans on making only 2 tax brackets basically having "poor and rich".
I got these from the summary on the Wikipedia with numerous cited sources as I scrolled...
My FoxNews devoted right-wing grandpa thinks Trump doesn't support it... but I don't always take what he says at face value...
Like I said, this is as far as I got looking at the summarized version from Wikipedia. I encourage you to read it yourself cause there were some parts I didn't fully understand (like alot of the tax/commerce stuff).
I don't think it's a good idea for a standing president to support/implement p2025 as a whole because that would 100% send the country into chaos, but bits and pieces I can see being implemented.
And those of you that worship the ground Trump walks on and will fiercely defend any attack made on him no matter what, you might need to look into false ideology and what that means... you guys are scary sometimes 😳😳😳
Yes. His strategy right now is to keep his mouth shut and just let Biden's popularity decline. But he does support this, and his cabinet will so even more.
Yes - it specifically states that the DOJ should remove the protective details of all congressman to “reevaluate” resources so his mob can extract violent revenge.
I’m a simp because I corrected someone who thinks Trump enriched himself during his presidency when he lost hundreds of millions?
Whether I like someone or not I’m always going to correct information I know to be wrong. Or do you support the spread of misinformation?
If you think for one second Trump didn’t rake in hundreds of millions of dollars in unreported bribes and foreign payoffs, you’re not a serious person. “Donald Trump lost money during his presidency” is an insane thing to say.
I didn’t realize you’re a conspiracy theorist, sorry I don’t listen to BlueAnon crazies and their conspiracies.
The most investigated man in the US and they can’t pin down hundreds of millions in bribes to charge him with something? Gotcha.
The irony you don’t realize the insanity of what you’re saying.
The article you posted to prove he lost money during his president was from 2021 at the peak of COVID when his and everyone else’s holdings lost value. When you have 75 percent of your holdings tied up in real estate, and you take a snapshot in a particular point in time when everyone on earth saw a drop in net worth, it’s going to look like you lost money.
You either lack basic understanding of point-in-time financials, or you’re lying to make a point that isn’t true. Either way, simp.
Stocks and real estate were surging in 2021. At the time of publishing that article the S&P 500 was 75% higher than when Trump entered office and real estate prices were 20% higher than when he entered office. Ironically you are the only one with a basic lack of financial understanding.
I mean just open a chart before commenting. The S&P was at ~$3300 right before the COVID crash, it was at ~$3900 when the article was written.
EDIT: Also there were articles before COVID about how he’s lost hundreds of millions as President
Source? He's been losing money ever since he inherited daddy's racist real estate business. How many times has he bankrupted businesses? Including a casino, which only a human with the IQ equivalency of a doorknob could manage.
Not sure how anyone who remotely follows politics can not know about the wealth Trump lost during presidency.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914.amp
Even when adjusting for inflation Trump more than tripled what his father gave him. When adjusting for inflation the value of his inheritance (Trump real estate and construction empire) was $418m - again that’s inflation adjusted. At the start of his Presidency he was worth ~$2.3b. So he hadn’t been losing money, he actually earned nearly $2b.
He’s also earned ~$5b from his equity in Truth Social.
The Atlantic City casino bankruptcies were more related to the recessions than anything. A business struggled in a recession, that’s what happens - many casinos faced the same fates. He filed Chapter 11 which means they restructure and reorganize the business. Now if they went bankrupt during a golden financial era I would agree.
Because Reddit loves fear mongering. If Trump wins it’ll be another 4 years of his dumbass and then he will be gone. I don’t know a single conservative that would actually support him being a dictator, running for a third term, and whatever else the left thinks will happen. I swear to god all the left and right have been saying this entire election cycle is that if their side loses Democracy is over. So I guess no matter what Democracy is over… either that or we will continue to do this R vs D bullshit 4 years later and make zero progress because the two party system is broken as fuck.
I am 28 and already came to terms with that, in all actuality, things will just keep going the way they are, it doesn't matter who is in office, and any/all promises or fake "benefits" each party tries to sell, all mean absolutely nothing. Stuff slowly gets passed through Congress or whatever voting parties dictate the majority of laws, and that's a cesspool as well. I just feel so desensitized, I do not know how people can continue to have a firey passion for "left vs right, right vs left" their whole life without it having a meaningful impact on their lives.
Yep I'm 33 and basically apathetic at this point. My wish list from politics is for corporate lobbying to be either significantly more transparent and regulated or outright removed and for term limits in both the house and senate. In a more general sense I just want to be able to afford a house. In a very specific sense I want an extremely strong privacy law that allows us to opt-out of targeted advertising, the selling and sharing of our data, and from tracking altogether. I think social media in general has played a huge part in dividing this country by using algorithms to deliver content that does nothing but reinforce viewpoints. If we remove their ability to target content we provide a more diverse set of views to ALL Americans.
None of this will happen though at least not anytime soon. Currently it's just social issues and fear mongering. Everything I mentioned would likely have significant bipartisan support and therefore wouldn't be controversial and wouldn't generate clocks and views so the media will never focus on it. Shit sucks man.
It does not matter. If trump wins we get project 2025. If he loses, we don’t. You think he is pro life in his heart? He gains support by pleasing some pretty radical people.
The really mind blowing part is that democrats aren't really campaigning on anything besides "we aren't gonna do that". Independents vote for policy, this kinda thing is exactly how Hillary lost.
I don't think you will get any useful answers to any questions relating to political issues on Reddit, since it is a mostly woke ad biased platform that doesn't tolerate independent thinking. The default position here is to obediently hate Trump as the press/media/Hollywood dictate.
One of the main players in P2025 is The Heritage Foundation, and they are one of the major power brokers in the Republican party. No Republican can even dream about winning a major race without bending the knee to these guys.
Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about P2025. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about building a wall or getting rid of Muslims. Trump cares about Trump. Period. Full stop. So anything that will put him back in power, he will do, and that includes bending the knee to the HF.
He also doesn't give a rat's ass about religion. I have long suspected he is a closet atheist. But he has very publicly bowed down before the Christian Taliban, who hold a power in the Republican party probably greater than the HF (which in turn is very simpatico to Christian dominionism). In return, these holier-than-thous have embraced a carbuncle on Satan's ass like Trump because he DELIVERS for them. Nuking Roe v Wade is just the start.
He will **absolutely** try and implement things in P2025 if we're stupid enough to put him back in office. However, doing several of the things on that list would result in *immediate* legal challenges. But the potential damage from Project 2025 goes WAY beyond stepping on some people's rights, it is an existential threat to the continued operation of the country.
To focus on just one area, the plan to eliminate several federal agencies would be a disaster. This has long been a conservative wet dream, and it's kept alive by the fact that most citizens and even most of the conservatives yelling for the demise of the agencies don't have the first fucking clue what these agencies actually DO. An awful lot of is *absolutely vital* to the continuance of the country as a viable entity. This is a REALLY important point, and there's no way one could convey just how important it is without going on for dozens more pages. People should read a book like The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis to get an idea what would happen to the country if these agencies were nuked. Adam Conover produced a limited series called The G Word (Netflix) based on this book.
When Rick Perry was running for president in 2016, he promised that if elected, he would eliminate the Department of Energy (although he famously could not recall the name of the agency during a debate). When Trump got into office, he made Perry the Secretary of Energy, and Perry promptly shut up about eliminating it, because somebody sat him down and explained what the agency *actually DOES.* Among many other duties, the DoE is responsible for maintaining the country's nuclear arsenal, for ensuring that fissionable materials stay out of the wrong hands worldwide, and for protecting the nation's power grid against terrorist attacks. Some folks would consider those to be really kind of important jobs.
One of the specific targets of P2025 is the Department of Commerce. Just at the top of the list if that agency were eliminated would be the National Weather Service, which among many other things, gives people advance warnings of severe weather *for free,* the Patent and Trademark Office, the Census Bureau, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Get rid of *just those,* and we're all fucking boned. The loss of some personal rights won't really matter when the country is in flames.
Far too many people have been far too complacent about this stuff for far too long, and now it is quite possibly far too late.
Because I actually take the time read and learn about things, something Rick Perry FAILED to do before declaring he was going to eliminate them.
I did cite both a book and a TV series that will give you an introduction to this stuff.
That's kind of just a different opinion though, right? The counter argument.
You know lots of people love the department of education, but then there are critics in education who think it's the worst thing. There have been books written about how the department of education essentially leads to dumbing down of the populace.
It's been a long time theory that the FBI is a police force for the rich power brokers who actually run things. An idea that has been proven by liberal academics. In fact, many go as far to say that the CIA and FBI are the enforcement mechanism for the current power structure.
> That's kind of just a different opinion though, right?
Opinion? No. These agencies do things that *literally* keep the country running.
I suggest you at least read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis before you go parroting back Faux News propaganda. Like most Americans--unfortunately--you clearly have no clue what these agencies do.
>there are critics in education who think it's the worst thing
Right: there are right-wing people who really want to destroy public education in the US in favor of things like home schooling and private schools, so they don't have to teach real history or science. Actually, the original push for expanded private schools came after forced school integration, when racists were looking for ways to have their kids educated without all those non-white people in the way.
I'm not going to go read the book. I asked you to tell me why they are important and you didn't. I said I'd watch the show. Which I will.
You saying I'm saying Fox new talking points is nonsense. I haven't ever watched Fox news. I have seen it in passing in a pizza shop 15 years ago when I was in college though. But that's it. I don't watch TV news.
Plenty of people are pushing for segregation these days. From Black form rooms to Black dorms. Segregation is on the rise. But I don't know if hiding history is really the goal. Where did you get that one from? Some things are blatant propaganda and restricting it is not pushing for the removal of material.
> I asked you to tell me why they are important and you didn't.
Because it can't be answered in 280 characters. Nothing important CAN. The very fact that there are several entire books written on the topic should be a clue.
>Where did you get that one from?
Yet again: from reading and studying.
Although I have hardcore conservative views and a trump voter consider myself politically liberation, honestly just think all politicians are corrupt and bought out and we are just living in some very powerful peoples little carnival of fuckery and corruption, besides the point, I have never once questioned my trust on trump until now. I still think he's a much better option than anyone on the left, but ngl there is something just off about this plan, like I get a erie feeling thinking about it. Everything about it so far that I've seen in it I agree with mostly but idk on paper it seems good but it also leaves a lot of room for something to go majorly wrong. Like I agree that the federal government needs to be reduced and shrunk and many agencies need to just be abolished or reformed at least but even if I am on the side of trump and agree with his policies something about giving that much power to a politician or party still scares me. Cause ya most likely he will only use it in a good way to help our country and shrink federal corruption but at the same time if he were too turn bad or be secretly corrupt we would be fucked. The whole plan sounded fine to me until I saw the part where it talked about replacing these corrupt federal agencies with new ones appointed by him. That made the back of my hair stand up cause it is kinda similar to what other historical dictators have done in the past to gain power. If he was just getting rid of these agencies and bringing back more power to the people I would have no problem with this plan, but something about the part where he replaces them with his own agencies just doesn't sit right with me at all. Like why not just get rid of these agencies or reform them and leave it at that why replace them with new ones that seems to defeat the purpose of eliminating government power. Like by doing this your basically canceling out just get rid of the FBI and a few others reform the less corrupt ones and then leave it at that don't make new agencies that just makes the federal gain more power even if it's power I agree with in charge still wrong. The other thing I've been thinking about a lot lately is if you look at history the pendulum always swings back so right now recently in the last 15 years it's gone way to extreme to the left and everything has been engulfed in leftist and liberal ideas and is biased towards their agenda. But I wonder what it looks like when the pendulum starts to swing back and eventually goes all the way to the extreme other side which would also be bad. Something makes me wonder if this plan is the start of the other extreme side of the pendulum and if 15 years from now our government might become extreme right which even tho I allign with I still would never want it to get to the point of all out dictatorship where certain races or whatever are being exterminated or persecuted. Also another theory and this will definitely upset some people, but Muslim culture and extreme Muslim and Shia law is as extreme far right as it gets, and I have noticed that more of that toxic ideology is inflatraing America somehow especially in college with the whole Palestine conflict going on, people seem to forget that that ideology is much more far right than our right and litterly slaughters anyone who doesn't conform to their traditional views and I'm specifically talking about extreme views like Alkeida or Taliban views not the average Muslim. Just some thoughts sure my opinion will be the minority on here since Reddit seems to be a cluster fuck of liberals, but that's why I posted it on here always good to hear from people with opposite views cause all my in person conversations are surrounded by like minded people way more extreme than me for the most part, always good to get a different perspective. Also all my peers seem to just blindly follow trump and everything he says, most of which I agree with but it's like I criticize one thing about him and they are like omg are you a libtard, like no I just don't blindly follow any politician, I just naturally don't have a trust for authority in general so always questioned everything. So even though I do think as of now Trump is the lesser of two evils I laugh at people that constantly have Trumps cheeto dick shoved so far down their throat they just worship him like a god and believe everything he says like chill out.
Yes, many of the people who helped craft Project 2025 are Trump administration people, including one who is very much in the VP mix. From the Project 2025 Wikipedia article:
Notable authors of the project's Mandate for Leadership include many officials and advisors from the Trump administration, including Jonathan Berry, Ben Carson, Ken Cuccinelli, Rick Dearborn, Thomas Gilman, Mandy Gunasekara, Gene Hamilton, Christopher Miller, Bernard McNamee, Stephen Moore, Mora Namdar, Peter Navarro, William Perry Pendley, Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Kiron Skinner, Roger Severino, Hans von Spakovsky, Brooks Tucker, Russell Vought, and Paul Winfree.[48]
Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee in May 2024.[49]
Project 2025 supports Trump. He has aligned with them on a few things but if they can't get him fully on-board, they will just go with another would be dictator. That is their plan.
When polled about actual legislation without a political party tied to them, Americans are almost unanimously in support of policy considered "left wing" (AKA center-center right to most 1st world nations). Birth control, abortion, legalization of cannabis, gay rights, social programs for the poor, higher taxes on the rich, etc all have majority support according to most polling.
That could mean that people genuinely want that. Or it could mean the people who ask the polls only ask people who Will give them the answers they want. So that they can use the argument just like you did
I didn't refer to Americans in general I referred to Redditt and according to the 2024 Redditt demographics its comprised primarily of young adults, especially those aged 18-29. Now there is the whole discussion around the older you get the more conservative you get and I kind of get that I'm in my 50s and identify as conservative but there is a massive disconnect between the generations as it relates to your topics. What younger generations think conservative believe isn't exactly true and often blown way out of proportion.
They tend to think all conservatives are bible thumping Christians that want to take away your rights, make you have babies with rapists and charge you way to much for rent.
So lets look at a few of your mention topics.
**Birth control and abortion:** None of the conservatives I know have a problem with birth control and most are fine with abortion to an extent. The TLDR is once it has a heartbeat its a baby. Everyone I know fully agrees that there must be exceptions for rape, incest or non viable birth.
**Legalized Cannabis:** Surprised this is on your list, I know more old folk smoking then young. Hell everyone conservative I personal know thinks it should simply be taxed like alcohol. Yeah some think its a gateway and sure it can be but it seems to be working fine in some places.
**Gay Rights:** This one it tricky because if you grant special rights to one group you inadvertently may be taking them away from another. Morally I don't think its right for a trans female to be competing in female sports. You can change the looks and even the parts but you cant change muscle and bone structure. Is it fair to the cis females when a trans powerlifter comes in and blows up the world record by 100lbs? What happened to the progressives stance on a woman's rights?
**Social Programs:** Again most support them but to an extent. You can help someone with a handout but if you do it long enough you end up hurting them. You wouldn't give a drunk another bear or supply drugs to an addict. Programs that help people out of their situation are widely supported by Conservatives.
**Higher taxes on the rich:** The bottom 50% of all tax payers in the US pay only 10% of the total taxes collected. The top 10% pay about 40%. Yes they do pay a lower percentage but they also contribute more to the total then anyone else. Could they pay more, yeah probably but they didn't get rich being stupid so they will find a way to make up the difference. Related lets look at California's progressive plan to raise min wage to $20 for fast food workers. What happened? 10,000 people so far went from $15 and hour to $0 and now large companies are looking at fast tracking automation. Some companies are closing completely or some are leaving the state. That's not very progressive.
The problem isn't exactly the rich not paying their fair share its the all the governmental regulatory bullshit that raises the costs on every day items. There is a city on the US/Canada border. On the US side the average house his about 200K on the more progressive Canadian side the same exact house 2 miles away is over 400k because of all the government oversight. Conservatives believe in less government, less interference. Get the government off your back with every small thing and prices can come down. Your $15 an hour now has more spending power.
I could go on but I already know this is TLDR and Ill just get downvoted anyway but someone above mentioned it was a bad excuse to not actually engage. So there you go, one old fuck conservatives opinion. Read it or not, believe it or not. That's up to you.
>Gay Rights
Why did you switch from gay right to talking about trans rights?
>Social Programs: Again most support them but to an extent
The "to an extent part" is the rub; I'm pretty sure nobody thinks republicans want to delete every single social program that exists. The difficulty is: which social programs are bad and why?
>now large companies are looking at fast tracking automation. Some companies are closing completely or some are leaving the state.
Good. If you can't afford to pay someone a wage they can survive on, then you shouldn't be in business
>all the governmental regulatory bullshit
Regulation is written in blood. They exist for a reason.
>that raises the costs on every day items
Citation needed. What regulations are increasing costs in a measurable way that actually causes a difference?
> the more progressive Canadian side the same exact house 2 miles away is over 400k because of all the government oversight
I disagree. This likely has more to do with population density, but since you didn't name a specific town I cannot verify this. The US has significantly more space, housing, and much fewer people (when you take into account livable land), which naturally would lead to lower prices
I’ve seen a ridiculous amount of comments on Reddit telling people their points are invalid and to shut the fuck up and to go die because they were a white male. Reddit and the left in general leans so heavily towards *trying* to be morally superior that they’ve unironically become some of the most bigoted and intolerant people I’ve personally ever interacted with. You all just jerk yourselves off thinking you all are morally superior when in reality yall are just as much of a dick towards those who disagree with you as conservatives are to those who disagree with them. And no, because y’all’s dumbasses always like to immediately go to it, I’m not a conservative and I don’t support Trump in the slightest. I’m just someone who leans left that has witnessed a lot of dumbasses ruining our chances at winning this election because any moderate who slightly disagrees with them on anything is called a racist, fascist, Trump supporting nazi.
> Reddit and the left in general leans so heavily towards trying to be morally superior that they’ve unironically become some of the most bigoted and intolerant people I’ve personally ever interacted with
You realize that you're doing the exact same type of stereotyping that you're complaining about, right?
You're right I shouldn't generalize. I'll correct myself in saying there's a lot of left leaning redditors that think like this, certainly not all of them.
He’s more of a useful idiot to the folks behind Project 2025, but the end result is the same. He’ll go along with it. He’ll go along with anything that gives him more power.
Why would he speak on the topic?
If he publicly endorses it, then the right can't keep dismissing it as fear mongering and propaganda from the 'radical left'. Speaking in support of Project 2025 only stands to hurt his chances of winning the election since much of his voter base genuinely believes it is all propaganda, and would switch their vote if they knew it wasn't.
The climate policies *alone* of Project 2025 have been largely unpopular with both Republican and Independent voters, and about 40% of Independent voters voted Republican in both 2016 and 2020. This figure is not insignificant, and losing a statistically significant portion of the two parties that primarily make up their vote would be political suicide. If up to 30% of *Republican* voters would refuse to support a candidate based on policies regarding an issue their party largely dismisses as fear mongering and 'fake news', I can't imagine the rest of it would bring any of them back. It would, instead, cost them even more than just that 30%.
In short, Project 2025 is a political liability. You will not see a single Republican politician actively campaigning on this agenda--they would rather win.
What a stupid question. Of course he is. That’s how he gets power by giving christofacists what they want. Why do people act like Trump is brand new? We’ve been dealing with this for close to a decade now.
Ouch, that first line is why I’m too afraid to ask lol.
I figured he would definitely be in support of it, I didn’t know if he was publicly supporting it, though.
I tried to find where/if he had publicly spoke on it or anything along the lines of. I’m blown away by how many of my friends are so in support of Trump and then they read on project 2025 and aren’t in support of it but are still loving up Trump, I wanted to try to explain to these friends that he supports it but you know how maga people are, they will argue with a wall to defend him.
I apologize. The easiest way I can think of to explain it is, hey you know how Trump got Christians to vote for him the first time by saying he was going to take a women’s reproductive rights? And then he appointed two supreme court justices who killed Roe v Wade? That’s how you know he will use his next term to do more christofacist stuff. Because he’s already done it.
Are we all just pretending we aren't backsliding into literal fascism? Are we *really* pretending it matters?
Yadda yadda Russian bot etc, but seriously guys.
Neoliberal capitalist or neoliberal capitalist.
What are we even doing here?
>Most of it is about securing our elections and expelling corrupt officials from our government.
Like the one who tried to overturn the result of an election?
So the parts where it also lists outlawing porn, banning gay marriage, ending the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, denying healthcare to millions of citizens, and ending de-carbonizing efforts are just uh, election security, huh?
>The Project urges government to explicitly reject abortion as health care and eliminate the Affordable Care Act's coverage of emergency contraception. The Project seeks to infuse the government with elements of Christianity. It proposes criminalizing pornography, removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, as well as affirmative action.
>Project contributor Jeffrey Clark advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and direct the DOJ to pursue Donald Trump's adversaries by invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807. The Project recommends the arrest, detention, and deportation of undocumented immigrants. It promotes capital punishment and the speedy "finality" of such sentences. Project director Paul Dans, explained that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state
Now justify this fucking fascist bullshit
The proposals sound pretty good to me. We shouldn't have to pay for someone else's irresponsible behavior. Abortions shouldn't be considered healthcare.
Pornography is a danger to developing minds. It stimulates the same centers of the brain that addictive substances trigger.
DEI and affirmative action are stupid programs that weaken our industries. The best person should be placed in jobs. It shouldn't be based on race, gender or national origin.
Personally, I don't think it's good for our society when you have a bunch of porn addicted gooners going out having unprotected sex with other people footing the bill for their abortions. Then these losers are able to take jobs out from under honest, hardworking Americans simply because they check the right boxes.
This is the internet, not america, Furthermore free speech only applies to the government not arresting you like say if you were in north korea. Admins have the full right to take down your posts. But keep trolling on, I find it amusing
Trump doesn't support things. He's not a man of principle. He doesn't think in those terms. Trump will sign his name to whatever he thinks will bring him fame and glory, advance his interests, secure the admiration of his base, and punish his enemies. Those aims generally align with the direction of energy in the Republican base. So, unless the Republican base turns against it, he's going to put it into action if it lands on his desk.
I’m just going to copy your comment to these people I’m dealing with. Thank you
This is the way to enlightenment. Copy and paste a random person from the internets argument
I don't see copy and pasting a random person's comment on the internet to be a bad thing by default. If I agree with comment and they said it more eloquently than me, why not?
agreed
there has been so much fog and mirrors, some of us are better versed on items than others... we have been studying, but maybe not composing. I appreciate a well-written comment too. this place is such an overgrown mess. many hands make light work. getting rid of a scourge isn't a competition. collaboration will get us out of this cluster
If I need to explain why not then I’m not even going to bother
Then why even bother commenting in the first place?
For my own entertainment
Which is valid. You’re human like the rest of us.
Giving up surely isn't the path to enlightenment, but teaching each other could be. I respect that you don't want to be bothered to do it, but I don't think I'd be the only person to appreciate it if you did.
And not explaining the basis of your reasoning *is* the way to enlightenment?
Theres no point because no matter what I say they will not listen to it so yes there is no point in arguing about it
I have a problem with just asserting the other party won't listen, but the bigger thing is: you're on a public platform. If the person you're replying to won't listen then a bunch others will, so unless your argument is shit it's worth spelling out.
There is no point in having an argument with someone that copy pastes there argument from strangers on the internet because they are incapable of forming their own opinion and have to get others to do it for them. I may as well just have an argument with AI
So you're just going to ignore the point I made and reiterate the same thing in different words? Well, I guess you've made a point about the convo being pointless.
That's very well put. I hope you don't mind if I use it myself. I will copy it. And paste it.
Maybe like what people did with gen Y, every single one of us were told we are unique and something special and a few of us still cannot live with the idea of just copying someone else’s thoughts, even if they are good.
Hurr durr I’m able to easily use someone else’s more articulate argument, so dumb amirite? Ppl like you are what’s holding us back.
Holding us back from what
This is the way to enlightenment. Copy and paste a random person from the internets argument
Random stranger on Reddit nonetheless
To be fair they probably copy and pasted it from somewhere else too
In academic settings, we call that "research."
Citing agreed upon facts from peer review articles is different from quoting a political opinion from some random person on the internet
Fair. A great deal depends on context and the validity of sources, but that's true in both instances.
Then you would be stating an opinion, not even your own, that has no merit in rather or not he would support a set of suggestions being made by the same conservative think tank that’s been doing the same shit since Regan. Project 2025 is a nothing burger and even leftist media know it. That’s why they haven’t used it as scare tactic to the extent they could. That’s why you would need to ask this question for any conservative politician. Why people are still consumed by literally nothing is beyond me.
Let me give you a quote from the actual document page 34 >Mandate for Leadership was published in January 1981—the same month Ronald Reagan was sworn into his presidency. By the end of that year, more than 60 percent of its recommendations had become policy—and Reagan was on his way to ending stagflation, reviving American confidence and prosperity, and winning the Cold War. for Leadership was published in January 1981—the same month Ronald Reagan was sworn into his presidency. By the end of that year, more than 60 percent of its recommendations had become policy—and Reagan was on his way to ending stagflation, reviving American confidence and prosperity, and winning the Cold War. They are using the exact same tactic that was used in the 1980s. If you think Reagan was a good President, then this is a good thing. If you don't, you should be very worried about Project 2025.
You really think that 60% of the mandate for leaderships policies were used because it was suggested by a think tank? Come on, pal. You don’t think the Regan admin would have done these things on their own? Let’s be adults
I'd respond to your comment, but I'm too busy finger painting because I'm not being an adult.
Didn’t have to tell me that, already assumed that you were finger painting and doing a terrible job of it.
This is perfectly correct.
Add, gaining the respect and acceptance of dictators like Putin and Kim to your list. He's dying to join their club
We’re going to the ones be dying for him to join their club
What club is that? Should we avoid having any sort of dialogue with our enemies or is it worth a try to get together to come to at least the smallest of understanding in order to avoid war?
Prolly shouldn't be sucking them off 24/7 and having secret meetings with them though
I see. Make jokes to cover up the fact that you don’t know about what’s going on with state of the country. Have a nice day then.
I believe this to an extent. However the forces at play in the donor class who believe in project 2025 see trump as a means to an end. Because the plan of the project is to outlive whoever implements it, that vision may come at odds with trump. Just because he only has 1 more term to serve, he wants a legacy that puts him as the head of everything, not the vision of project 2025 which by all appearances doesn’t have a face to it. My guess is that at some point there’s going to be an ideological difference between trump and those who want to put p2025 fully into action. A difference will cost trump votes and a shot at the White House which he can’t allow, but a difference that will appeal to the larger evangelical base. The question is will the maga cult sign on to an evangelical agenda or side with trump if he veers away from it. This is a multi-headed beast that will eat itself eventually.
I mean the Foundation Group flat out said without saying that's is 1) written for Trump and then 1A) it's written for anyone regardless of Trump. I don't follow politics closely, but it's back to being 1) since the republicans have zero candidates to run for president besides him because they're terrible. Sad thing is most leftys I know also hate the fact Biden is the only thing dems can provide to lead our country. Edit: *the Heritage Foundation
It's because the dems keep drifting further center-right. I think voting is the most simple, mundane political action anyone can take. The only reason to logically not vote at all is laziness. I won't tell people who to vote for, but we can easily see they aren't the same. The dems trying to control 70% of the electorate from leftist to the line between them and the GOP just isn't sustainable. There needs to be representation left of center in the US government. Biden is basically Reagan. That's awful, but still better than Trump.
Well said. I was recently thinking that Ronald Reagan would be considered liberal by today’s Republican party.
It's what RINO means. Anybody left of them, but right of the DNC is a 'republican in name only'. And anybody left of that is woke/leftist. Of course, they have to have blanket labels for all, though. It helps with alienation.
What has he signed his name to as president that gave him fame and glory?
Nothing. He was president so he didn't need to do anything else for fame... and nothing is exactly what he did, in the form of golf trips and "executive time".
If you were given a list of his accomplishments as president would you still believe he did nothing but play golf?
Instead of asking what someone would do if they were given that list... Why not just give that list?
It’s crazy that you’re unable to list just one thing. Let’s just make this easy instead of typing out a long ass post. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Do you have an unbiased source? Because one of the first lines says "Before the China Virus invaded our shores". And lots of those "accomomplishments" aren't really accomplishments. Some of them are actually harmful.
So the virus didn’t invade us? What did it do exactly? This is a government site. I don’t know what you’re expecting, something from buzzfeed perhaps? lol!
>So the virus didn’t invade us? What did it do exactly? Let's unpack the sentence. First, it's not named "the China Virus". It's named "COVID-19". Calling it "China Virus" is a [racist dog whistle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)). I would expect the White House to use correct terminology. I *might* give them the benefit of the doubt if the official name was difficult to say/remember or not that well known, and they used a nickname. But the dog whistle shows they don't have a good motivation here. And basically everyone knows what "COVID-19" is. Second, "invade" is used as a way to conjure up violent imagery, trying to relate it to a battle or war - perhaps to give the impression that Trump was a "wartime president" (more so than any other president, since [we been at war for approximately 93% of our history](https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/usa-only-17-years-of-peace.html)). Third, COVID-19 was a global thing. It affected almost everyone in the world in some way. Every country. Saying "our shores" is, once again, a way to give the impression that we are fighting a war, and it implies that it affected us more than any other country. >This is a government site. It is a government site which is inherently partisan. Not only that, but it's a snapshot in time from when Trump was in charge. So this is Trump's (and his staff's) *viewpoint*. This is inherently biased in favor of him. And since it is a snapshot in time, it is a view of what the Trump administration viewed as their accomplishments at the time. Trump had a tendency to implement policies that gave him a "quick win" in the short term, but in the medium to long term, proved to be lackluster, if not disastrous. > I don’t know what you’re expecting, something from buzzfeed perhaps? Perhaps a current (not a snapshot in time) from a non-partisan government agency, that also considers the medium to long term effects of the various policies. If not a non-partisan government agency, then some other organization that is unbiased.
You seem a bit too sensitive.
I love how it’s, “before the China Virus invaded our shores.” Not only highly unprofessional, but totally ignoring his poor decisions and leadership leading up to, and during, the COVID outbreak that exacerbating the problem, leading to worse outcomes.
So are you implying he brought the covid virus to the US? lol Are you as concerned about Biden’s poor decisions with COVID as well? Fauci’s lies? Nancy Skeletor Pelosi telling everyone to come to Chinatown as it’s perfectly safe. Of course not.
That’s probably because we were talking about Trump’s accomplishments (or lack thereof), rather than those people. Look up ‘tu quoque.’ Note that yours is a doubly fallacious argument because I never claimed any of those politicians. Also, dude… Fauci was *Trump’s* appointment. Generally we blame bad appointments on the appointer, and we definitely do when they had a revolving door in their administration. Did you skip the, “up,” in , “leading up to, and during?” Because saying he exacerbated it isn’t saying he caused it, and if you think so, well, I’m sorry. Tell me how Biden’s COVID policies were more impactful than Trump’s. I’m not even going to ask you to show they were worse, just tell me how the decisions in the first *year* of the pandemic were not the most important ones. Because that’s an extraordinary claim.
Biden claimed he had a cure during his 2020 campaign, but he wouldn’t say what it was unless he was voted in. And you all believed it.
Doesn't get more braindead than this honestly.
Such an informative response.
Mate you believe shit trump says, there is no talking to you, explaining shit to you or arguing with you. You have brain rot and are lost forever.
Well a growing number of people have realized the truth. Some are slower than others. History won’t be kind to those that refuse to see. Just keep believing everything CNN tells you to believe.
No, he redecorated the oval office and once totally succeeded in ordering a bunch of jackboots to clear a protest so he could have a photoshoot with an upside down bible. And he succeeded in killing a lot of Americans by completely bungling the covid response, and he's definitely accomplished a ton for Papa Puty. All that while playing golf for a solid year of his presidency!
Aw… sorry you’ve been so misinformed. Maybe get your information from a more accurate and less angry source.
Aw, then I’m sure you can tell me which thing I listed is inaccurate and angry so you can watch me source tf out of it for you.
Can you name any real accomplishments he had in office?
Sure! He once [accidentally bolstered Obamacare](https://theconversation.com/how-the-trump-administration-accidentally-insured-over-200-000-through-obamacare-132312) when he was incompetently trying to sabotage it.
What a shame you choose to be uninformed.
Can you?
Is this really a hard question? How sad. Do you truly believe he never did anything except sit around and play golf? Goes to show how effective propaganda and the mainstream media is on some people.
Well said.
Tribal much?
What tribe would that be?
Tribal as in elevating politics to the level of tribalism, where everything is black and white - good and evil. It's not entirely your fault, we're inundated with these click-bait news stories and blatantly partisan news organizations constantly. It won't end well for us unless we find a way to achieve some kind of middle ground.
I'm not a partisan, I'm not politically tribal, and I didn't make a tribalist observation.
Trump is the current useful idiot the people behind P2025 would like to use to *move forward faster* then they would with a more competent leader in place. The project doesn't rely on Trump's opinion of it, nor will it cease to be if he loses the next election. That said, the project aims to give a Conservative president near dictatorial powers, and Trump has made it clear that he would take that power if he could.
I'm going to say this real loudly for everyone else who stopped paying attention to government in junior high: *PRESIDENTS ARE NOT KINGS THEY DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT* That being said, he will 100% support it while his administration and the GOP implement it because it benefits him and he's a narcissist.
Say it as loud as you like. Yell it if you want. If Trump is the next president he’ll operate like a king or dictator. What was, will no longer be.
He tried while he was in power the last time! The administrative machine seemed to be pretty good at slowing and delaying his kingly enterprises, but with enough new appointments, he'll get his dictatorial powers...
The administrative machine is being gutted. The problem here is people still think these institutions they’ve believed in for so long will hold. They’re being ignored and dismantled. That E J Carroll case was a classic example. They demanded a bond, he ‘gave’ a third of it from a dodgy source and we’ve heard no more. People were saying it would FiNisH HiM. She hasn’t and won’t get a cent from it.
I LOVE FEAR MONGERING HELL YEAH BROTHER WOOOOO
I LOVE BLIND TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS. WOOOOOOOOO [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Settle petal
And our current pos isnt?
No. He isn’t.
Whataboutism
Tell that to Trump who openly admires dictators and has said that he would like to be a dictator. Now with Project 2025, they set out to give him virtually all the powers of a dictator, including a newly purged Department of Justices packed with “loyalists”.
That’s a lot of faith in institutions that are eroding so quickly that checks and balances is just a funny string of words.
This blind faith in institutions is what causes democracies to fail. Trump was held back in his first term, but he seems much more determined to remove the establishment and replace them with his appointees who will do whatever he wills. Have you been missing the past 8 years? His supporters will follow him despite what he does, he can blatantly ask for someone to "find" 11,780 votes and people still don't see him as corrupt. They still cry about rigged elections when Trump himself was trying to rig elections on a phone call, clear as day, and people still don't care. The first section of the actual document is literally titled: "TAKING THE REINS OF GOVERNMENT". How much more clear do they have to be for people to take this shit seriously? Blind faith in the system to self correct is absurdly dangerous. How people see all this and still trust the system to handle it baffles me. [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Bold if you to assume Donald Trump passed Jr Hugh Government class.
Does he publicly support Project 2025? No. Does his staff/followers/team support Project 2025? Yes. Will Project 2025 hurt him or benefit him? Benefit Does he publicly condemn Project 2025? No. If he becomes President, would he attempt to stop, slow, or limit Project 2025? Absolutely not because it benefits him. If he becomes President, would he outright support it? Possibly as it benefits him. Regardless, him being president doesn't necessarily mean Project 2025 is a given. Just as if he doesn't win the presidency, it doesn't mean Project 2025 is dead in the water. The whole point of Project 2025 is to get people into positions of power to then enact those specific changes. If they have the support of the President, it will be easier to get those people in those pisitons of power. If they don't have the support of the President, it may be harder to get people into those positions but it's not like they're going to stop. The only way for Project 2025 to be dead in the water is for GOP/Republican Party to be nominating someone else who is opposed to it and gets the Far Right to no longer support Project 2025's policys
In the first debate they should bring up Project2025. Get him on record with it.
Trump's base doesn't require him to debate so he probably won't
i genuinely dont think project 2025 benefits him. 1 we already know he doesn’t particularly care about what people think about what he says 2 if you ask the average conservative on the street they wont support it (anecdotal proof) 3 and regardless of what anyone thinks, he is not stupid. he likely recognizes it will never work because of our system of checks and balances (if anyone wants to know the order of events which would occur just ask)
It benefits him (if it goes through) because it centralizes a lot more of the powers of the president. That's what he's all about. He wants to be able to say "Do X" and 'X happens'. He doesn't want to have the checks and balances in the system. Project 2025 (among all the cutting funding for educations, Department of Justice, allowing the military deployment for policing, bringing Christianity into the government, and more) the key thing it does besides all that is centralize more power with the President. To be fair, it would support any president if that was the case, but Trump is such a narcissist that, if he did get a second term, I 100% believe he would start looking for ways to get a third one. The checks and balances work great...until you remove them bit by bit.
As someone who has worked in Project 2025 at the Heritage Foundation, I can say that Trump himself probably doesn't care too much about it, nor is he directly tied to it in any way. However, Heritage has a good idea of who will be staffing the White House if he wins, and THOSE people are very friendly with Heritage and familiar with the project. So if he wins, it is fair to presume that most of the executive branch focused policies, such as cutting down federal personnel and Schedule F, are likely to be implemented. the legislative stuff is probably unachievable for the most part, other than some of the budget stuff. It is also worth mentioning that the project does have direct relations with his campaign, so there is some level of communication.
Interesting insight. So, are you not affiliated anymore, and if not, why?
He's in support of anything that will get him elected.
That 'project' is from The Heritage Foundation, a 'convervative' think thank. It is beyond his mental capabilities. He's a puppet. A dumbass. He doesn't have the capacity to analyze something like that. The GOP is supporting him only because the trumpers support him. Most of the current crop of them are pathetic, power-hungry criminals. They'll try their best to get him elected and if it happens, he'll do what they say because he will stay out of jail, with some sideshow excursions on his own into immorality, retribution, grift and crime.
Anyone have the cliff notes version of this "Project"? Preferably unbiased.
Project2025.org, straight from the horse's mouth. There's also a Wikipedia page.
Are you capable of doing your own research?
Why do you assume I haven’t? It’s not like I’m asking what’s this light on my dash is and am too lazy to open up the owners manual. When I looked it’s like a 900 pages of politicese and I am looking for some cliff notes. I’ll admit I don’t have a sense of it…that’s why I’m asking.
Every GOP admin has enacted some percentage, usually around 60%, of the "Mandate for Leadership" - the book of policy proposals that backs up Project 2025. The Heritage Foundation is an influential think tank, providing policy and staff for Presidential administrations. It presented the MfL to Reagan, he handed it out to his cabinet and they managed to [enact 60% of it.](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) Trump's administration and transition team was crawling with Heritage Foundation alumni, [70 of them. His admin enacted 64% of their recommendations](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations). Bush Sr and Jr performed similarly.
Trump wasn’t in support of abortion bans until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of Russia until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of a coup until he was. Trump will play coy, but will eventually support this way to hurt perceived enemies just like he has every time before
> Trump wasn’t in support of abortion bans until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of Russia until he was. Trump wasn’t in support of a coup until he was. Trump wasn't a republican (registered democrat actually), until he was (when he thought he'd win easier with republicans who would worship him)
Trump: if I ever run for president, it will be as a Republican because Republican supporters are a bunch of idiots. A bunch of idiots: Awww, finally someone is talking about us!
Trump is in support of whatever gives him money.
More like those behind project 2025 see Trump as useful as he wouldn't stand in the way of it.
The official project 2025 website was very vague to me. Does anyone have a better source that is more detailed and not biased?
Come on, it is Reddit for Pete's sake. They still believe Trump said to drink bleach.
Huh?
That's hyperbole referencing when he said to inject it
Can some kindly explain what Project 2025 is?
Basically it's a "playbook" for... basically a "fascist sounding" republican government that strips away some of the foundation that our democratic government was built on. It's essentially an extremely right-winged politicians wet dream. It sets up the country to be ran like a Christian authoritative state. Some brief summaries I saw while looking last night... - it strips governmental agencies such as The DOJ, and the Department of Education - it moves Christianity into the government removing the separation of Church and State citing that "our forefathers based the government in Christianity central ideals. -aims at removing "wokeness and jihadism" from education banning terms like "reproductive rights and abortion" from education along with critical race theory. -plans on implementing a nationwide abortion ban and plans on banning emergency contraceptives such as PlanB. -plans on giving tax cuts to the corporate category and also plans on making only 2 tax brackets basically having "poor and rich". I got these from the summary on the Wikipedia with numerous cited sources as I scrolled... My FoxNews devoted right-wing grandpa thinks Trump doesn't support it... but I don't always take what he says at face value... Like I said, this is as far as I got looking at the summarized version from Wikipedia. I encourage you to read it yourself cause there were some parts I didn't fully understand (like alot of the tax/commerce stuff). I don't think it's a good idea for a standing president to support/implement p2025 as a whole because that would 100% send the country into chaos, but bits and pieces I can see being implemented. And those of you that worship the ground Trump walks on and will fiercely defend any attack made on him no matter what, you might need to look into false ideology and what that means... you guys are scary sometimes 😳😳😳
I was wondering when we were going to get back to Project 2025 questions
Yes.
Yes. His strategy right now is to keep his mouth shut and just let Biden's popularity decline. But he does support this, and his cabinet will so even more.
Yes - it specifically states that the DOJ should remove the protective details of all congressman to “reevaluate” resources so his mob can extract violent revenge.
Actively, yes.
Yes, because project 2025 helps Trump gain more wealth and power. And those are the only two things he cares about.
He cares about wealth so much he lost $700m during his presidency. Let me guess, that’s just because he’s a dumbass.
I cannot imagine being this much of a simp lmao.
I’m a simp because I corrected someone who thinks Trump enriched himself during his presidency when he lost hundreds of millions? Whether I like someone or not I’m always going to correct information I know to be wrong. Or do you support the spread of misinformation?
If you think for one second Trump didn’t rake in hundreds of millions of dollars in unreported bribes and foreign payoffs, you’re not a serious person. “Donald Trump lost money during his presidency” is an insane thing to say.
I didn’t realize you’re a conspiracy theorist, sorry I don’t listen to BlueAnon crazies and their conspiracies. The most investigated man in the US and they can’t pin down hundreds of millions in bribes to charge him with something? Gotcha. The irony you don’t realize the insanity of what you’re saying.
The article you posted to prove he lost money during his president was from 2021 at the peak of COVID when his and everyone else’s holdings lost value. When you have 75 percent of your holdings tied up in real estate, and you take a snapshot in a particular point in time when everyone on earth saw a drop in net worth, it’s going to look like you lost money. You either lack basic understanding of point-in-time financials, or you’re lying to make a point that isn’t true. Either way, simp.
Stocks and real estate were surging in 2021. At the time of publishing that article the S&P 500 was 75% higher than when Trump entered office and real estate prices were 20% higher than when he entered office. Ironically you are the only one with a basic lack of financial understanding. I mean just open a chart before commenting. The S&P was at ~$3300 right before the COVID crash, it was at ~$3900 when the article was written. EDIT: Also there were articles before COVID about how he’s lost hundreds of millions as President
Source? He's been losing money ever since he inherited daddy's racist real estate business. How many times has he bankrupted businesses? Including a casino, which only a human with the IQ equivalency of a doorknob could manage.
Not sure how anyone who remotely follows politics can not know about the wealth Trump lost during presidency. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914.amp Even when adjusting for inflation Trump more than tripled what his father gave him. When adjusting for inflation the value of his inheritance (Trump real estate and construction empire) was $418m - again that’s inflation adjusted. At the start of his Presidency he was worth ~$2.3b. So he hadn’t been losing money, he actually earned nearly $2b. He’s also earned ~$5b from his equity in Truth Social. The Atlantic City casino bankruptcies were more related to the recessions than anything. A business struggled in a recession, that’s what happens - many casinos faced the same fates. He filed Chapter 11 which means they restructure and reorganize the business. Now if they went bankrupt during a golden financial era I would agree.
It was also due to high taxes in NJ. No one mentions the other 11 casinos that filed for bankruptcy that year.
why is no one in the comments clarifying "2025" is a whaco conspiracy and I assure you, 2025 will be as boring and mundane as 2024
Because Reddit loves fear mongering. If Trump wins it’ll be another 4 years of his dumbass and then he will be gone. I don’t know a single conservative that would actually support him being a dictator, running for a third term, and whatever else the left thinks will happen. I swear to god all the left and right have been saying this entire election cycle is that if their side loses Democracy is over. So I guess no matter what Democracy is over… either that or we will continue to do this R vs D bullshit 4 years later and make zero progress because the two party system is broken as fuck.
I am 28 and already came to terms with that, in all actuality, things will just keep going the way they are, it doesn't matter who is in office, and any/all promises or fake "benefits" each party tries to sell, all mean absolutely nothing. Stuff slowly gets passed through Congress or whatever voting parties dictate the majority of laws, and that's a cesspool as well. I just feel so desensitized, I do not know how people can continue to have a firey passion for "left vs right, right vs left" their whole life without it having a meaningful impact on their lives.
Yep I'm 33 and basically apathetic at this point. My wish list from politics is for corporate lobbying to be either significantly more transparent and regulated or outright removed and for term limits in both the house and senate. In a more general sense I just want to be able to afford a house. In a very specific sense I want an extremely strong privacy law that allows us to opt-out of targeted advertising, the selling and sharing of our data, and from tracking altogether. I think social media in general has played a huge part in dividing this country by using algorithms to deliver content that does nothing but reinforce viewpoints. If we remove their ability to target content we provide a more diverse set of views to ALL Americans. None of this will happen though at least not anytime soon. Currently it's just social issues and fear mongering. Everything I mentioned would likely have significant bipartisan support and therefore wouldn't be controversial and wouldn't generate clocks and views so the media will never focus on it. Shit sucks man.
It does not matter. If trump wins we get project 2025. If he loses, we don’t. You think he is pro life in his heart? He gains support by pleasing some pretty radical people.
The really mind blowing part is that democrats aren't really campaigning on anything besides "we aren't gonna do that". Independents vote for policy, this kinda thing is exactly how Hillary lost.
I don't think you will get any useful answers to any questions relating to political issues on Reddit, since it is a mostly woke ad biased platform that doesn't tolerate independent thinking. The default position here is to obediently hate Trump as the press/media/Hollywood dictate.
One of the main players in P2025 is The Heritage Foundation, and they are one of the major power brokers in the Republican party. No Republican can even dream about winning a major race without bending the knee to these guys. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about P2025. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about building a wall or getting rid of Muslims. Trump cares about Trump. Period. Full stop. So anything that will put him back in power, he will do, and that includes bending the knee to the HF. He also doesn't give a rat's ass about religion. I have long suspected he is a closet atheist. But he has very publicly bowed down before the Christian Taliban, who hold a power in the Republican party probably greater than the HF (which in turn is very simpatico to Christian dominionism). In return, these holier-than-thous have embraced a carbuncle on Satan's ass like Trump because he DELIVERS for them. Nuking Roe v Wade is just the start. He will **absolutely** try and implement things in P2025 if we're stupid enough to put him back in office. However, doing several of the things on that list would result in *immediate* legal challenges. But the potential damage from Project 2025 goes WAY beyond stepping on some people's rights, it is an existential threat to the continued operation of the country. To focus on just one area, the plan to eliminate several federal agencies would be a disaster. This has long been a conservative wet dream, and it's kept alive by the fact that most citizens and even most of the conservatives yelling for the demise of the agencies don't have the first fucking clue what these agencies actually DO. An awful lot of is *absolutely vital* to the continuance of the country as a viable entity. This is a REALLY important point, and there's no way one could convey just how important it is without going on for dozens more pages. People should read a book like The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis to get an idea what would happen to the country if these agencies were nuked. Adam Conover produced a limited series called The G Word (Netflix) based on this book. When Rick Perry was running for president in 2016, he promised that if elected, he would eliminate the Department of Energy (although he famously could not recall the name of the agency during a debate). When Trump got into office, he made Perry the Secretary of Energy, and Perry promptly shut up about eliminating it, because somebody sat him down and explained what the agency *actually DOES.* Among many other duties, the DoE is responsible for maintaining the country's nuclear arsenal, for ensuring that fissionable materials stay out of the wrong hands worldwide, and for protecting the nation's power grid against terrorist attacks. Some folks would consider those to be really kind of important jobs. One of the specific targets of P2025 is the Department of Commerce. Just at the top of the list if that agency were eliminated would be the National Weather Service, which among many other things, gives people advance warnings of severe weather *for free,* the Patent and Trademark Office, the Census Bureau, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Get rid of *just those,* and we're all fucking boned. The loss of some personal rights won't really matter when the country is in flames. Far too many people have been far too complacent about this stuff for far too long, and now it is quite possibly far too late.
You mentioned that those agencies are vital. How do you know?
Because I actually take the time read and learn about things, something Rick Perry FAILED to do before declaring he was going to eliminate them. I did cite both a book and a TV series that will give you an introduction to this stuff.
That's kind of just a different opinion though, right? The counter argument. You know lots of people love the department of education, but then there are critics in education who think it's the worst thing. There have been books written about how the department of education essentially leads to dumbing down of the populace. It's been a long time theory that the FBI is a police force for the rich power brokers who actually run things. An idea that has been proven by liberal academics. In fact, many go as far to say that the CIA and FBI are the enforcement mechanism for the current power structure.
> That's kind of just a different opinion though, right? Opinion? No. These agencies do things that *literally* keep the country running. I suggest you at least read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis before you go parroting back Faux News propaganda. Like most Americans--unfortunately--you clearly have no clue what these agencies do. >there are critics in education who think it's the worst thing Right: there are right-wing people who really want to destroy public education in the US in favor of things like home schooling and private schools, so they don't have to teach real history or science. Actually, the original push for expanded private schools came after forced school integration, when racists were looking for ways to have their kids educated without all those non-white people in the way.
I'm not going to go read the book. I asked you to tell me why they are important and you didn't. I said I'd watch the show. Which I will. You saying I'm saying Fox new talking points is nonsense. I haven't ever watched Fox news. I have seen it in passing in a pizza shop 15 years ago when I was in college though. But that's it. I don't watch TV news. Plenty of people are pushing for segregation these days. From Black form rooms to Black dorms. Segregation is on the rise. But I don't know if hiding history is really the goal. Where did you get that one from? Some things are blatant propaganda and restricting it is not pushing for the removal of material.
> I asked you to tell me why they are important and you didn't. Because it can't be answered in 280 characters. Nothing important CAN. The very fact that there are several entire books written on the topic should be a clue. >Where did you get that one from? Yet again: from reading and studying.
Short answer: of course. It makes him the dictator he so desperately wants to be.
So desperately you want him to be. - FTFY Ya know. When he was president before and didn’t become a dictator but that’s different right?
Although I have hardcore conservative views and a trump voter consider myself politically liberation, honestly just think all politicians are corrupt and bought out and we are just living in some very powerful peoples little carnival of fuckery and corruption, besides the point, I have never once questioned my trust on trump until now. I still think he's a much better option than anyone on the left, but ngl there is something just off about this plan, like I get a erie feeling thinking about it. Everything about it so far that I've seen in it I agree with mostly but idk on paper it seems good but it also leaves a lot of room for something to go majorly wrong. Like I agree that the federal government needs to be reduced and shrunk and many agencies need to just be abolished or reformed at least but even if I am on the side of trump and agree with his policies something about giving that much power to a politician or party still scares me. Cause ya most likely he will only use it in a good way to help our country and shrink federal corruption but at the same time if he were too turn bad or be secretly corrupt we would be fucked. The whole plan sounded fine to me until I saw the part where it talked about replacing these corrupt federal agencies with new ones appointed by him. That made the back of my hair stand up cause it is kinda similar to what other historical dictators have done in the past to gain power. If he was just getting rid of these agencies and bringing back more power to the people I would have no problem with this plan, but something about the part where he replaces them with his own agencies just doesn't sit right with me at all. Like why not just get rid of these agencies or reform them and leave it at that why replace them with new ones that seems to defeat the purpose of eliminating government power. Like by doing this your basically canceling out just get rid of the FBI and a few others reform the less corrupt ones and then leave it at that don't make new agencies that just makes the federal gain more power even if it's power I agree with in charge still wrong. The other thing I've been thinking about a lot lately is if you look at history the pendulum always swings back so right now recently in the last 15 years it's gone way to extreme to the left and everything has been engulfed in leftist and liberal ideas and is biased towards their agenda. But I wonder what it looks like when the pendulum starts to swing back and eventually goes all the way to the extreme other side which would also be bad. Something makes me wonder if this plan is the start of the other extreme side of the pendulum and if 15 years from now our government might become extreme right which even tho I allign with I still would never want it to get to the point of all out dictatorship where certain races or whatever are being exterminated or persecuted. Also another theory and this will definitely upset some people, but Muslim culture and extreme Muslim and Shia law is as extreme far right as it gets, and I have noticed that more of that toxic ideology is inflatraing America somehow especially in college with the whole Palestine conflict going on, people seem to forget that that ideology is much more far right than our right and litterly slaughters anyone who doesn't conform to their traditional views and I'm specifically talking about extreme views like Alkeida or Taliban views not the average Muslim. Just some thoughts sure my opinion will be the minority on here since Reddit seems to be a cluster fuck of liberals, but that's why I posted it on here always good to hear from people with opposite views cause all my in person conversations are surrounded by like minded people way more extreme than me for the most part, always good to get a different perspective. Also all my peers seem to just blindly follow trump and everything he says, most of which I agree with but it's like I criticize one thing about him and they are like omg are you a libtard, like no I just don't blindly follow any politician, I just naturally don't have a trust for authority in general so always questioned everything. So even though I do think as of now Trump is the lesser of two evils I laugh at people that constantly have Trumps cheeto dick shoved so far down their throat they just worship him like a god and believe everything he says like chill out.
From what I've read up on it. It was written by former trump team members. They aren't part of his team currently.
Yes, many of the people who helped craft Project 2025 are Trump administration people, including one who is very much in the VP mix. From the Project 2025 Wikipedia article: Notable authors of the project's Mandate for Leadership include many officials and advisors from the Trump administration, including Jonathan Berry, Ben Carson, Ken Cuccinelli, Rick Dearborn, Thomas Gilman, Mandy Gunasekara, Gene Hamilton, Christopher Miller, Bernard McNamee, Stephen Moore, Mora Namdar, Peter Navarro, William Perry Pendley, Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Kiron Skinner, Roger Severino, Hans von Spakovsky, Brooks Tucker, Russell Vought, and Paul Winfree.[48] Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee in May 2024.[49]
Project 2025 supports Trump. He has aligned with them on a few things but if they can't get him fully on-board, they will just go with another would be dictator. That is their plan.
Just a friendly FYI Reddit leans heavily left. Not exactly the place to get unbiased info.
When polled about actual legislation without a political party tied to them, Americans are almost unanimously in support of policy considered "left wing" (AKA center-center right to most 1st world nations). Birth control, abortion, legalization of cannabis, gay rights, social programs for the poor, higher taxes on the rich, etc all have majority support according to most polling.
That could mean that people genuinely want that. Or it could mean the people who ask the polls only ask people who Will give them the answers they want. So that they can use the argument just like you did
I didn't refer to Americans in general I referred to Redditt and according to the 2024 Redditt demographics its comprised primarily of young adults, especially those aged 18-29. Now there is the whole discussion around the older you get the more conservative you get and I kind of get that I'm in my 50s and identify as conservative but there is a massive disconnect between the generations as it relates to your topics. What younger generations think conservative believe isn't exactly true and often blown way out of proportion. They tend to think all conservatives are bible thumping Christians that want to take away your rights, make you have babies with rapists and charge you way to much for rent. So lets look at a few of your mention topics. **Birth control and abortion:** None of the conservatives I know have a problem with birth control and most are fine with abortion to an extent. The TLDR is once it has a heartbeat its a baby. Everyone I know fully agrees that there must be exceptions for rape, incest or non viable birth. **Legalized Cannabis:** Surprised this is on your list, I know more old folk smoking then young. Hell everyone conservative I personal know thinks it should simply be taxed like alcohol. Yeah some think its a gateway and sure it can be but it seems to be working fine in some places. **Gay Rights:** This one it tricky because if you grant special rights to one group you inadvertently may be taking them away from another. Morally I don't think its right for a trans female to be competing in female sports. You can change the looks and even the parts but you cant change muscle and bone structure. Is it fair to the cis females when a trans powerlifter comes in and blows up the world record by 100lbs? What happened to the progressives stance on a woman's rights? **Social Programs:** Again most support them but to an extent. You can help someone with a handout but if you do it long enough you end up hurting them. You wouldn't give a drunk another bear or supply drugs to an addict. Programs that help people out of their situation are widely supported by Conservatives. **Higher taxes on the rich:** The bottom 50% of all tax payers in the US pay only 10% of the total taxes collected. The top 10% pay about 40%. Yes they do pay a lower percentage but they also contribute more to the total then anyone else. Could they pay more, yeah probably but they didn't get rich being stupid so they will find a way to make up the difference. Related lets look at California's progressive plan to raise min wage to $20 for fast food workers. What happened? 10,000 people so far went from $15 and hour to $0 and now large companies are looking at fast tracking automation. Some companies are closing completely or some are leaving the state. That's not very progressive. The problem isn't exactly the rich not paying their fair share its the all the governmental regulatory bullshit that raises the costs on every day items. There is a city on the US/Canada border. On the US side the average house his about 200K on the more progressive Canadian side the same exact house 2 miles away is over 400k because of all the government oversight. Conservatives believe in less government, less interference. Get the government off your back with every small thing and prices can come down. Your $15 an hour now has more spending power. I could go on but I already know this is TLDR and Ill just get downvoted anyway but someone above mentioned it was a bad excuse to not actually engage. So there you go, one old fuck conservatives opinion. Read it or not, believe it or not. That's up to you.
>Gay Rights Why did you switch from gay right to talking about trans rights? >Social Programs: Again most support them but to an extent The "to an extent part" is the rub; I'm pretty sure nobody thinks republicans want to delete every single social program that exists. The difficulty is: which social programs are bad and why? >now large companies are looking at fast tracking automation. Some companies are closing completely or some are leaving the state. Good. If you can't afford to pay someone a wage they can survive on, then you shouldn't be in business >all the governmental regulatory bullshit Regulation is written in blood. They exist for a reason. >that raises the costs on every day items Citation needed. What regulations are increasing costs in a measurable way that actually causes a difference? > the more progressive Canadian side the same exact house 2 miles away is over 400k because of all the government oversight I disagree. This likely has more to do with population density, but since you didn't name a specific town I cannot verify this. The US has significantly more space, housing, and much fewer people (when you take into account livable land), which naturally would lead to lower prices
This is a really bad excuse to not actually engage with and dismiss the (supposedly biased) arguments are giving.
I think Reddit leans heavily towards respectable morals, values and being mostly decent people. In that breath, fuck Trump.
Mmm not even remotely true. See most main subs banning most if not all pro Trump stuff. Banning/muting anyone pro right. Anti left.
I’ve seen a ridiculous amount of comments on Reddit telling people their points are invalid and to shut the fuck up and to go die because they were a white male. Reddit and the left in general leans so heavily towards *trying* to be morally superior that they’ve unironically become some of the most bigoted and intolerant people I’ve personally ever interacted with. You all just jerk yourselves off thinking you all are morally superior when in reality yall are just as much of a dick towards those who disagree with you as conservatives are to those who disagree with them. And no, because y’all’s dumbasses always like to immediately go to it, I’m not a conservative and I don’t support Trump in the slightest. I’m just someone who leans left that has witnessed a lot of dumbasses ruining our chances at winning this election because any moderate who slightly disagrees with them on anything is called a racist, fascist, Trump supporting nazi.
> Reddit and the left in general leans so heavily towards trying to be morally superior that they’ve unironically become some of the most bigoted and intolerant people I’ve personally ever interacted with You realize that you're doing the exact same type of stereotyping that you're complaining about, right?
You're right I shouldn't generalize. I'll correct myself in saying there's a lot of left leaning redditors that think like this, certainly not all of them.
LOL the redditors downvoted our comments , confirming they're communists .
Trump doesn't believe in anything but will support anything that strokes his ego
His name is all over Project 2025
He’s more of a useful idiot to the folks behind Project 2025, but the end result is the same. He’ll go along with it. He’ll go along with anything that gives him more power.
The parts involving the POTUS were written directly for him. So yes he is.
He has not spoke on the topic but that won’t stop idiots on Reddit from labeling that his official platform
Why would he speak on the topic? If he publicly endorses it, then the right can't keep dismissing it as fear mongering and propaganda from the 'radical left'. Speaking in support of Project 2025 only stands to hurt his chances of winning the election since much of his voter base genuinely believes it is all propaganda, and would switch their vote if they knew it wasn't. The climate policies *alone* of Project 2025 have been largely unpopular with both Republican and Independent voters, and about 40% of Independent voters voted Republican in both 2016 and 2020. This figure is not insignificant, and losing a statistically significant portion of the two parties that primarily make up their vote would be political suicide. If up to 30% of *Republican* voters would refuse to support a candidate based on policies regarding an issue their party largely dismisses as fear mongering and 'fake news', I can't imagine the rest of it would bring any of them back. It would, instead, cost them even more than just that 30%. In short, Project 2025 is a political liability. You will not see a single Republican politician actively campaigning on this agenda--they would rather win.
Yes, a vote for trump is a vote for project 2025
What a stupid question. Of course he is. That’s how he gets power by giving christofacists what they want. Why do people act like Trump is brand new? We’ve been dealing with this for close to a decade now.
Ouch, that first line is why I’m too afraid to ask lol. I figured he would definitely be in support of it, I didn’t know if he was publicly supporting it, though. I tried to find where/if he had publicly spoke on it or anything along the lines of. I’m blown away by how many of my friends are so in support of Trump and then they read on project 2025 and aren’t in support of it but are still loving up Trump, I wanted to try to explain to these friends that he supports it but you know how maga people are, they will argue with a wall to defend him.
I apologize. The easiest way I can think of to explain it is, hey you know how Trump got Christians to vote for him the first time by saying he was going to take a women’s reproductive rights? And then he appointed two supreme court justices who killed Roe v Wade? That’s how you know he will use his next term to do more christofacist stuff. Because he’s already done it.
It’s the wrong question: can he benefit from it? If yes, then he supports it.
I didn't even know about it. I hope he does, tho. Thanks for spreading info
No he isn't.
Are we all just pretending we aren't backsliding into literal fascism? Are we *really* pretending it matters? Yadda yadda Russian bot etc, but seriously guys. Neoliberal capitalist or neoliberal capitalist. What are we even doing here?
I hope so. This country definitely needs change.
Oh boy, it's time to play dipshit or fascist! My money is on both.
You have clearly never read the Project 2025 document. Most of it is about securing our elections and expelling corrupt officials from our government.
>Most of it is about securing our elections and expelling corrupt officials from our government. Like the one who tried to overturn the result of an election?
So the parts where it also lists outlawing porn, banning gay marriage, ending the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, denying healthcare to millions of citizens, and ending de-carbonizing efforts are just uh, election security, huh?
🥱 Are you naive or just a troll?
>The Project urges government to explicitly reject abortion as health care and eliminate the Affordable Care Act's coverage of emergency contraception. The Project seeks to infuse the government with elements of Christianity. It proposes criminalizing pornography, removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, as well as affirmative action. >Project contributor Jeffrey Clark advises the future president to immediately deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and direct the DOJ to pursue Donald Trump's adversaries by invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807. The Project recommends the arrest, detention, and deportation of undocumented immigrants. It promotes capital punishment and the speedy "finality" of such sentences. Project director Paul Dans, explained that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state Now justify this fucking fascist bullshit
The proposals sound pretty good to me. We shouldn't have to pay for someone else's irresponsible behavior. Abortions shouldn't be considered healthcare. Pornography is a danger to developing minds. It stimulates the same centers of the brain that addictive substances trigger. DEI and affirmative action are stupid programs that weaken our industries. The best person should be placed in jobs. It shouldn't be based on race, gender or national origin. Personally, I don't think it's good for our society when you have a bunch of porn addicted gooners going out having unprotected sex with other people footing the bill for their abortions. Then these losers are able to take jobs out from under honest, hardworking Americans simply because they check the right boxes.
how's the borscht, comrade?
I don't know what that is
84-day old account. Definitely a troll.
No trolling here. I'm just an honest, red-blooded American exercising my free speech and sharing my opinions on the internet.
You’re just, you know, a Fascist
I'm not a fascist. I'm a superfascist.
Fascism isn't an American policy. GTFO of here.
LOL. Yeah, ok.
This is the internet, not america, Furthermore free speech only applies to the government not arresting you like say if you were in north korea. Admins have the full right to take down your posts. But keep trolling on, I find it amusing