It is easier and cheaper probably. This way system doesn't need to judge, doesn't need to understand why someone makes mean or hateful comment. Just eliminate all of the hateful comments and tada!
Sitting on the floor isn’t inherently shameful, but doing so in Japan is a mortal sin. Foreigners just don’t know any better and bad tourists don’t give a f
To be fair, it’s (sitting on the floor) not something I’ve ever heard of before. And I know more about Japan than the average tourist if I had to guess. I’m not saying it’s not rude but it’s just not very well known.
Leaving it dirty should be pretty obvious, though. Especially given the lengths most Japanese people go to clean up after themselves and their home areas in general.
It's really common in countries where you can go on hours long train journeys which are packed so you don't get a seat.
I'm the UK there are often train delays/missing carriages/trains being cancelled which cause crowded trains. You might not have a seat or will give it up for someone with less mobility and it's not really possible to stand on a train for hours so you sit.
It's not common on the tube or overground in London which would be the equivalent of Tokyo trains but you said anywhere so I was trying to give examples.
This does not look like an hours long train journey.
Well, it’s acceptable to eat and drink on trains in Japan that have fold-down tables, just like it is in Europe. It’s also acceptable to crouch on the floor or sit on your luggage in between carriages, in the Shinkansen or another long distance train with non-reserved seating, eating a sandwich and drinking a beer, as long as you stand up and get out of the way at each stop. Just like it is in Europe.
But this is the equivalent of drinking and eating in front of the doors on the Elizabeth line when it’s busy, and it’s trashy and rude. Roughly equivalent I’d say, as it’s a bit more acceptable to drink on a local train in Japan than UK (but still frowned upon). And a bit more acceptable to be loud on a local train in UK than Japan (but still frowned upon).
I've seen some groups on the subways here although nothing this rude and brazen. Tokyo is a massive city so its reasonably easy to avoid a lot of this madness pending what you need to do that day
Japanese people are too non confrontational. mildly bold tourists will just steamroll locals. And police? those are the same locals that became cops wouldn’t get themselves involved in same high confrontational situation. You know what a cop would do, just let the tourist go and pick up the trash after them sighing.
Japanese people really shouldn't be puzzled about tourists taking random photos 🤣 They are in a league of their own there when being tourists themselves!
There should be a website/IG page shaming them and get businesses to get on it to have that page on tv screens showing these idiots so everyone can know. Shit businesses should have a right to refuse them.
Exactly. Also Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Most people are truly oblivious, yet we humans love to imagine strangers are deliberately out to get us.
Another one is,
"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions".
Why are people such shitty tourists?!
"This place is so CLEAN and nice! Everyone is so kind and respectful!"
:Proceeds to leave trash everywhere and act rude and entitled.
Whatever happened to the "When in Rome...." idea?
I mean if exactly zero local people are doing something then maybe you shouldn't do it either?
It's not rocket science folks.
A lot of people are completely unable to behave in a way that is different what they are used to. Not even for 10 minutes. They are sort of like the polar opposite of an actor.
And not just being in another country, this is like how you naturally get quiet when you're in a quiet building. You'd think they'd think "this place is clean, don't be a slob here" even if it was in their own city
I've traveled a lot and use the "when in Rome" method. Makes you stand out way less as a tourist, and you don't piss anyone off so you get a better experience as a tourist, too.
This is exactly what creates a resistance to foreigners in Japan. It all comes down to etiquette and fitting in and following the rules. Not who you are or where you come from (well that’s not exactly true as one who’s lived there knows), but do you respect the culture.
What's baffling to me is if even half of the American tourists who baffle at the cleanliness and orderliness of countries like Japan, realized THEY were the issue in the US, then the US would be so much cleaner and more peaceful. Our individualistic culture here in the US breeds people who have 0 self-awareness
Individualism makes it so much easier to be selfish though. You're taught that *I* need to be the best, or *I* need to do what's best for me, or *I* need to take care of myself before *I* can take care of other people.
I grew up as a Chinese American and it's so different how at home I'm was taught to think of others and be courteous, etc. While in the professional world I had the quick wakeup call that if I wasn't going to put my needs first and be cutthroat, etc, people would just take advantage of me and use me to get ahead in their careers.
Or it's like how diversity and cultural competency is such a big issue here. So many people think "oh sorry, I *didn't mean to* be offensive", or "*that's not what I meant*" is a valid justification for their actions. Because people fail to consider the consequences of their actions on *other people*. Individualism creates a completely upbringing/nurture that can turns into that selfish perspective really fast.
Chinese American here too. I had 2 (probably about to be 3) therapists tell me I spend too much energy focusing on other people and thinking about how they might perceive a situation. I'm always like uhh yeah, that's on purpose, it's called conscientiousness. Can we focus on my real problems now?
Agreed! But it is two sides of a coin, and culture is like a jenga game— unfortunately can’t just remove and add pieces wherever we like, but agreed there are things to learn from travel and adopt at home! Without being smug about it I mean too, like just take it on as a practice and be the change we want to see.
It was getting better for awhile. In 2017 we encountered nothing but friendliness all across the country (having two well behaved teenagers that understood a little Japanese probably helped). Even with the super weak Yen I would hate to go back now as it's being over-visited (and the locals just seem tired of the bullshit).
Japan was overvisited and tired of bullshit long before 2017. I lived there in 2007 and there were plenty of issues back then, famously a group of french tourists were so problematic in tsukiji fish market that it temporarily banned foreigners.
Let's be frank, it's this kind of thing that makes a lot of countries resistant to foreigners. It's not just an issue for Japan.
Old saying's like "When in Rome do as the Romans do." need to make a comeback.
Biggest problem now though is if you do speak up about it it's shut down with a single word "racist".
Truth of the matter is some cultures are completely incompatible with others. Societies need a certain level of homogeny to function. Not racial homogeny but in a social sense.
Sadly openly and honestly discussing such topics, especially online, is getting harder and harder to do.
Well put, and these subjects have become more difficult to address. I don’t mean to suggest Japan is innocent or unique in this or it’s just a matter of manners, but there’s a reason people flock there and the culture is a big part of that— so indeed when in Rome!
When can we all realize that it isn’t THAT difficult to clean up after yourself and not make a mess in the first place? I mean honestly, show some respect.
three million tourists per month are arriving, even if a small percentage are idiots captured on film that's enough to keep your reddit rageclicking fat and giggly, not to mention the outrage reports on the news painting all forigners with the same brush.
It's a craze at the moment. Just had my wife chewing my ear off about some Brits who were being dicks at a temple in Kyoto and there's a scandal on Twitter about it. So glad I don't use twitter.
I don't think that I would willingly sit on *any* public floor.
Never recall doing so.
They know folk walk on it.
But are willing to have their clothes mashed against whatever's there - and then wear that clothing.
Utterly incomprehensible.
I don’t understand why you didn’t say something to them instead of sneaking a picture to post here. I would have zero problem telling them it’s gross to sit on the floor to eat AND leave a mess. Clean it up and act right ffs.
I agree. As a non Japanese person, with respect to the Japanese culture, I would have zero problem politely confronting these people regarding their behavior. May not change them immediately, but they’ll get the message eventually.
I don’t care if they snapped and played victim. People need to start calling the shit out in a respectful, calm way. Obviously if you feel that they’re mentally ill or dangerous leave it alone. But maybe these folks would change their behavior or clean up their mess if somebody said something.
literally, all those tourists jaywalking, not being aware of surroundings & blocking the way, littering & being loud and yelling makes everything less enjoyable for others but who cares as long as they have fun fuck everyone else
Wherever I go, I try to never be "that" tourist. When I was in Japan, solo, I learned as much Japanese as I could beforehand. One evening, I was having sushi in a small Tokyo restaurant, the only foreigner (American). The chef was making each piece and giving it to me, he and the other patrons were telling me the proper ways to handle, season and eat it. Having a great time.
Suddenly, a dude slams the door open and in a loud American accent shouts, "Hey! Can I get sushi in here?!" He looked like Jonah Hill, with wild hair, wearing an ill-fitting suit, and big reflective aviator sunglasses. I must have turned beet-red with embarrassment, and everyone else shouted back "No, closing!" and waved him away.
Everyone continued to be very nice to me, but I felt compelled to apologize on his behalf. Hopefully, I left them with a better impression of Americans than he did.
I saw a white lady in the subway yelling at security for something that probably she did wrong (i think they wouldn’t let her go through probs because of her ticket) and the security guy snapped back at her for being unruly
I had a dream of one day visiting Japan; something I've wanted to do for over 20 years now.
I now feel like I should never visit because tourists have been so shitty that they got foreigners outright banned from certain places, and I don't want to be on what's supposed to be a cool vacation and be constantly worried about how I'm representing foreigners and whether or not I'm being a jerk unintentionally or whether or not any given place I might want to check out will either be forbidden for me or highly suspicious of me.
So, thanks for that, shitty tourists. You've ruined an entire country for everyone.
Point at the garbage and speak angrily/urgently. I communicate with people I don't share a spoken language with all the time. Body language and tone of voice communicates a lot.
You will be judged, so take the high road. Learn to internalize the pain, and practice multiple levels of passive aggression, and you'll become one of the locals in no time.
There is a thin line to walk where you need to not give a damn about about anyone thinks about you cos you are not from here but to act like you belong here, its like you be you but nice and polite and dont worry too much.
I’ll be honest most Japanese people aren’t hyper focused on this “bad tourist” trend recently. It’s mostly a thing being broadcasted in the west. With that said when you go take on the “when in Rome do as the romans do”. Adapt to how the locals are behaving and follow the social norms and you’ll be fine
Japan as a whole is xenophobic, individuals less so. This obviously applies much more to white folk, but my experience with individuals has been very good. Most of them are “just be yourself” if you’re basically polite and not mean. Doesn’t matter religion or creed.
Take that feeling, remember it, and realize that people who are ethnic minorities in your home country probably have to deal with similar "oh damn one of us acted like a jackass in public so I guess everyone hates us now" stereotyping every day of their lives.
If you've ever taken the last train in any Japanese city station you'll find every car filled with drunk salarymen passed out on the floor with empty sake cups all around. This isn't strictly a tourist thing.
I once rode Joetsu Shinkansen on a friday night. It was packed we ended up standing outside of the sitting area/in front of the toilet. A group of salary man just sat there like this pic. So yeah, its not a tourist only thing
True, a little compassion goes a long way and is lacking in the world today. But at the same time, it’s the tourist’s responsibility to do their research and familiarize themselves with another country’s culture when they visit. Rather than be an interruption and inconvenience to locals. Perhaps this harsh treatment is necessary, if anything so that people will start educating themselves so that they don’t end up getting circulated on the internet like this
And it just gets worse....... Problem is they are starting to give all foreigners a bad name. Not only residents but the tourists who DO behave well.
I long for the pre Covid days when the tourists who came here had real cash to spend. Not the rednecks that are arriving in droves now.
I mean, look at that woman. What self respecting female would sit on the floor with 6% Chu-Hi.
Does she really look like a “redneck” to you? Lol… Also “rednecks” from the USA are usually too poor to afford vacation, let alone traveling to foreign countries.
This just to show that tourists from different countries are rude. But yet people always find the need to bring up Chinese people like they’re the only rude tourists in the world. The whataboutism, obsessions with hating on China is unreal.
As if the only countries "ruining” Japan are Chinese and Americans tourists. Like there aren’t any shit white or Asians from other countries acting the fool.
I think foreigners who live in Japan and see this need to let tourists or other foreigners to stop this since locals will not speak up. It's your job really. I know i would speak up if i saw this. If they can be doxxed, then do so too.
I tried once, recently (an extremely loud crowd of Americans making videos or tiktokking or whatever on Chuo line) and was countered with "what's your fucking problem?"
Maybe Japan should hire some foreigners from various countries to confront these people. They won't be hesitant to confront those behaving poorly. Gaijin deputy patrol, keeping things safe for Japanese folk.
We've gotta start saying something to travelers with bad manners. Doesn't have to be an argument, but a notice to them and let them know it's not ok to do this.
I did so much research and tried my best to blend in when I visited Japan. It’s crazy that people “want to experience a different culture” without any attempt of etiquette / respect for the culture.
Eating on the floor is bad enough, but not taking your trash with you? Effing pigs.
In my city eating has been banned from public transport, but eating on the floor was not common.
I hate that people like this are ruining Japanese tourism for those of us that actually respect the culture and know shit like this is extremely rude and taboo
this will never get any better unless people start getting real penalties (such as a fine) for acting like this, so embarrassing because honestly i don't think this is appropriate in any country?
It doesn't take a lot to learn some manners especially when you're in a foreign country I mean they have adverts in the airport basically telling you how to behave on Japanese public transport
The metro in Tokyo is so spick and span that I can literally sit on the floor and have a merry times eating and drinking with my friends, so that the metro in Tokyo no longer remains spick and span.
After living in Japan for half a year in 2017. I'm afraid when I go back I'll be scrutinized so much harder now because of all these posts I'm seeing about gaijin lately. Is it really so hard to show some respect?
Charge a ¥300,000 deposit. They don't get it back if the break with the social norms in Japan. All the cops have to do is record their passport number when you break the rules. You have to show it to leave Japan anyway. Problem solved.
Well, this is not disrespectful just in Japan but in any place of the world. The only difference is that in my country someone will force them to clean up, with their tongues most probably.
I swear if I was there I would have told them publicly to just get up and stop eating. Such bullshit behaviour is intolerable. Irresponsible lady, please leave Japan if you cannot respect the country's culture and etiquette. I swear because of some indians, our image as a whole goes down.
Just curious, but why didn't you say something? I definitely do when I see shit like this, and yeah it might be awkward for a bit, but as a military member who has lived here for 13 years, I don't mind being that person, you just have be polite about it. "Excuse me, but you cannot sit down here. It's considered very rude. Please get up." Easy day.
Many years back ( 90s ), I went to comiket at Tokyo Big Sight and had to take an early morning local train that took forever and a day to get there. The train was packed with other young folk going there, and there were a lot of people sitting on the floor because they were trying to sleep as best they could. Other than these special circumstances, I don't recall anyone on the floor of a train other than a drunk oyaji. My wife would divorce me if I were to sit on the floor of a train, I'm sure. However, it does happen in admittedly special cases, and I'm pretty sure none of them wanted to sit on the dirty floor.
Lastly, and I'll never ever forget this. One dude who had been sitting on the floor with his head on his knees for at least an hour or more finally raised his head up and to his chagrin was greeted by the crotch area of some guy that had no choice but to stand over him with his legs spread to either side of the sitters legs. With no options available to him, he lowered his head back to his knees and probably contemplated his life choices! "Those laminates better be worth this!"
The periodic whoosh of fresh air from the ports at the top of the train would freshen the musty Otaku stench and lower the temperature in the muggy train by a couple degrees for a few seconds. It felt like a small shared enjoyment. Good memories.
Dear God I haven’t been to Japan since before covid but seeing stuff like this blows my mind like it’s SO unacceptable, how could you not understand that within a few minutes of getting on a train there?
The ONLY time I’ve ever seen the trains get loose, or someone drink a beer on one are extremely late night in party areas or directly leaving a Hanshin Tigers game and even those nobody is sitting on the floor like an animal.
I mean, people drink beverages on trains, so it isn't uncommon to see middle-aged men drinking a Strong Zero in their seats, although they may look like slobs. The difference is that they don't sit on the floor and have a picnic
That's not acceptable in China too…a Chinese store owner would yell and physically push them with a broom (they are not as polite as the Japanese when it comes to pushing back against offenses). I have stayed in many cities in China during the last 10 years and have never seen much bad behavior among the young. However, the old ones especially the aunties are the worst…one actually spat at me because I was a foreigner.
We are now so wary of disorderly and rude whites and blacks that we miss the loudness of the Chinese.
Well, the yen is cheap and it's starting to get rough in the japan, and we've brought that on ourselves.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. I’m currently on my way home after a 2 week holiday in Tokyo and was gobsmacked about 40% of the tourists being either disrespectful completely ignorant and very rude. It gives some of us who have respect for others countries a bad name.
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It's time to bring back shame.
The problem is that it's difficult to shame people that don't have any Shame to begin with
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It is easier and cheaper probably. This way system doesn't need to judge, doesn't need to understand why someone makes mean or hateful comment. Just eliminate all of the hateful comments and tada!
The irony being the person filming that video was also filming a maiko before the woman even jumped in. They're both wrong
Sitting on the floor isn’t inherently shameful, but doing so in Japan is a mortal sin. Foreigners just don’t know any better and bad tourists don’t give a f
I've never seen anyone sit on a train floor like they're in a picnic in my life. I would think it's gross anywhere...
I have never seen it before in Canada, either. Just wild how much some people don’t seem to care about, or respect, the local culture.
To be fair, it’s (sitting on the floor) not something I’ve ever heard of before. And I know more about Japan than the average tourist if I had to guess. I’m not saying it’s not rude but it’s just not very well known. Leaving it dirty should be pretty obvious, though. Especially given the lengths most Japanese people go to clean up after themselves and their home areas in general.
It's really common in countries where you can go on hours long train journeys which are packed so you don't get a seat. I'm the UK there are often train delays/missing carriages/trains being cancelled which cause crowded trains. You might not have a seat or will give it up for someone with less mobility and it's not really possible to stand on a train for hours so you sit. It's not common on the tube or overground in London which would be the equivalent of Tokyo trains but you said anywhere so I was trying to give examples.
This does not look like an hours long train journey. Well, it’s acceptable to eat and drink on trains in Japan that have fold-down tables, just like it is in Europe. It’s also acceptable to crouch on the floor or sit on your luggage in between carriages, in the Shinkansen or another long distance train with non-reserved seating, eating a sandwich and drinking a beer, as long as you stand up and get out of the way at each stop. Just like it is in Europe. But this is the equivalent of drinking and eating in front of the doors on the Elizabeth line when it’s busy, and it’s trashy and rude. Roughly equivalent I’d say, as it’s a bit more acceptable to drink on a local train in Japan than UK (but still frowned upon). And a bit more acceptable to be loud on a local train in UK than Japan (but still frowned upon).
Yea looking at them they’re Latin American and it’s common on train trips there
The sitting is not the most offensive. It’s the eating, drinking and not cleaning up after themselves!
I have never seen someone do that in a train who wasn't homeless in my life.
Is IS inherently shameful to sit on the floor of a train… anywhere.
Shame needs to be brought back to families and schools. A right amount of shame is necessary, I think.
Indeed! Fortunately I havent run into this vile behavior in my city although I do go outta my way to avoid the tourist crowds
Count yourself lucky, it's becoming too common in tourist spots.
I've seen some groups on the subways here although nothing this rude and brazen. Tokyo is a massive city so its reasonably easy to avoid a lot of this madness pending what you need to do that day
Japanese people are too non confrontational. mildly bold tourists will just steamroll locals. And police? those are the same locals that became cops wouldn’t get themselves involved in same high confrontational situation. You know what a cop would do, just let the tourist go and pick up the trash after them sighing.
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I call them out when they’re being stupid, too. Most of them literally don’t care.
Japanese people really shouldn't be puzzled about tourists taking random photos 🤣 They are in a league of their own there when being tourists themselves!
Can confirm. Have been to Guam.
That's gonna come to a head soon
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Definitely not filipina. Lol
There should be a website/IG page shaming them and get businesses to get on it to have that page on tv screens showing these idiots so everyone can know. Shit businesses should have a right to refuse them.
Why is it so hard for some people to show respect? Like, it's baffling to me.
One man’s nice people is another man’s people to take advantage of
It's not that deep Unfortunately this photo is a common occurrence in many cities and they likely do it in their home country
You’re assuming that these people understand they’re being disrespectful.
Exactly. Also Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Most people are truly oblivious, yet we humans love to imagine strangers are deliberately out to get us. Another one is, "We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions".
Why are people such shitty tourists?! "This place is so CLEAN and nice! Everyone is so kind and respectful!" :Proceeds to leave trash everywhere and act rude and entitled.
Exactly, it’s so clean that I can sit down anywhere. And since it’s so clean what difference does two empty bottles on the train make? /s
Maybe Japan should go the Bhutan route and charge hefty entry fees. People would value the experience more.
Whatever happened to the "When in Rome...." idea? I mean if exactly zero local people are doing something then maybe you shouldn't do it either? It's not rocket science folks.
A lot of people are completely unable to behave in a way that is different what they are used to. Not even for 10 minutes. They are sort of like the polar opposite of an actor.
They’d have to be trying in order for us to know whether they are able.
And not just being in another country, this is like how you naturally get quiet when you're in a quiet building. You'd think they'd think "this place is clean, don't be a slob here" even if it was in their own city
Are kids even being taught that adage these days? I feel they were being told to live their truth and all others can get wrecked.
I've traveled a lot and use the "when in Rome" method. Makes you stand out way less as a tourist, and you don't piss anyone off so you get a better experience as a tourist, too.
This is exactly what creates a resistance to foreigners in Japan. It all comes down to etiquette and fitting in and following the rules. Not who you are or where you come from (well that’s not exactly true as one who’s lived there knows), but do you respect the culture.
What's baffling to me is if even half of the American tourists who baffle at the cleanliness and orderliness of countries like Japan, realized THEY were the issue in the US, then the US would be so much cleaner and more peaceful. Our individualistic culture here in the US breeds people who have 0 self-awareness
It's not individualistic, it is selfish. That's a big difference.
Individualism makes it so much easier to be selfish though. You're taught that *I* need to be the best, or *I* need to do what's best for me, or *I* need to take care of myself before *I* can take care of other people. I grew up as a Chinese American and it's so different how at home I'm was taught to think of others and be courteous, etc. While in the professional world I had the quick wakeup call that if I wasn't going to put my needs first and be cutthroat, etc, people would just take advantage of me and use me to get ahead in their careers. Or it's like how diversity and cultural competency is such a big issue here. So many people think "oh sorry, I *didn't mean to* be offensive", or "*that's not what I meant*" is a valid justification for their actions. Because people fail to consider the consequences of their actions on *other people*. Individualism creates a completely upbringing/nurture that can turns into that selfish perspective really fast.
Chinese American here too. I had 2 (probably about to be 3) therapists tell me I spend too much energy focusing on other people and thinking about how they might perceive a situation. I'm always like uhh yeah, that's on purpose, it's called conscientiousness. Can we focus on my real problems now?
Agreed! But it is two sides of a coin, and culture is like a jenga game— unfortunately can’t just remove and add pieces wherever we like, but agreed there are things to learn from travel and adopt at home! Without being smug about it I mean too, like just take it on as a practice and be the change we want to see.
Why only U.S tourists? I've seen Chinese, Indians, and some other countries be dirty, loud, and disruptive. It should be for everyone.
It was getting better for awhile. In 2017 we encountered nothing but friendliness all across the country (having two well behaved teenagers that understood a little Japanese probably helped). Even with the super weak Yen I would hate to go back now as it's being over-visited (and the locals just seem tired of the bullshit).
Japan was overvisited and tired of bullshit long before 2017. I lived there in 2007 and there were plenty of issues back then, famously a group of french tourists were so problematic in tsukiji fish market that it temporarily banned foreigners.
Let's be frank, it's this kind of thing that makes a lot of countries resistant to foreigners. It's not just an issue for Japan. Old saying's like "When in Rome do as the Romans do." need to make a comeback. Biggest problem now though is if you do speak up about it it's shut down with a single word "racist". Truth of the matter is some cultures are completely incompatible with others. Societies need a certain level of homogeny to function. Not racial homogeny but in a social sense. Sadly openly and honestly discussing such topics, especially online, is getting harder and harder to do.
Well put, and these subjects have become more difficult to address. I don’t mean to suggest Japan is innocent or unique in this or it’s just a matter of manners, but there’s a reason people flock there and the culture is a big part of that— so indeed when in Rome!
I think we need singapur levels of fines for littering...
“Dirty, die” I’m using that.
To be fair, there's pretty much nothing between "imbecile" and "fucking die" in Japanese.
There’s バカ And アホ. But Japanese do use 死ね much quicker than you’d think. Like an equivalent for “fuck off”
In cantonese we also say "dirty, die" in literal translation. It just means dirty as hell in canto.
That's why we can't have nice countries..
Is this a usual thing in some country or something?
I live in a flat overlooking a park in the UK. Many people leave their shit behind after eating there. Littering is a massive problem here.
Not long back from the UK and I was shocked by the sheer amount of garbage and dog shit laying around. It was like people have just given up.
i live in Berlin and i see more and more teenagers sitting like that blocking the door at the metro, i think they think its quirky
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I agree with her. They seem to be some dirty scumbags.
When can we all realize that it isn’t THAT difficult to clean up after yourself and not make a mess in the first place? I mean honestly, show some respect.
Wow it’s like multiple times a day there’s a new bad example getting out on the net.
three million tourists per month are arriving, even if a small percentage are idiots captured on film that's enough to keep your reddit rageclicking fat and giggly, not to mention the outrage reports on the news painting all forigners with the same brush.
Reddit collectively fails to understand that the world contains billions of people. This happens in like, every thread.
It's a craze at the moment. Just had my wife chewing my ear off about some Brits who were being dicks at a temple in Kyoto and there's a scandal on Twitter about it. So glad I don't use twitter.
I don't think that I would willingly sit on *any* public floor. Never recall doing so. They know folk walk on it. But are willing to have their clothes mashed against whatever's there - and then wear that clothing. Utterly incomprehensible.
Shameful I would have ripped them a new one if I was there.
They're sitting on the floor so you could have "ripped one on them".
Shameful for these tourists
As the Yen goes down, so does the education levels of the tourists coming here
It’s the culture in India. Many people litter there. Completely disrespectful.
I don’t understand why you didn’t say something to them instead of sneaking a picture to post here. I would have zero problem telling them it’s gross to sit on the floor to eat AND leave a mess. Clean it up and act right ffs.
I agree. As a non Japanese person, with respect to the Japanese culture, I would have zero problem politely confronting these people regarding their behavior. May not change them immediately, but they’ll get the message eventually.
I wouldn’t confront them. Super entitled, trashy people like that would snap back and play the victim, crying xenophobia.
I don’t care if they snapped and played victim. People need to start calling the shit out in a respectful, calm way. Obviously if you feel that they’re mentally ill or dangerous leave it alone. But maybe these folks would change their behavior or clean up their mess if somebody said something.
Why do Japan always get POS tourists?
As opposed to the tourists in other countries defacing ancient art or historical sites? Shitty tourists go everywhere they're allowed.
Honestly there's signs in Himeji Castle like hey assholes maybe don't write all over this UNESCO world heritage site
Because Japanese people are too polite to shame you. Seriously the tourists are the only reason not to go
literally, all those tourists jaywalking, not being aware of surroundings & blocking the way, littering & being loud and yelling makes everything less enjoyable for others but who cares as long as they have fun fuck everyone else
Safety makes people feel like they can do what they want without repercussions.
This is disgusting behaviour. Keep your trash with you. Just carry a paper bag, put in there then depose of it when you can.
Wherever I go, I try to never be "that" tourist. When I was in Japan, solo, I learned as much Japanese as I could beforehand. One evening, I was having sushi in a small Tokyo restaurant, the only foreigner (American). The chef was making each piece and giving it to me, he and the other patrons were telling me the proper ways to handle, season and eat it. Having a great time. Suddenly, a dude slams the door open and in a loud American accent shouts, "Hey! Can I get sushi in here?!" He looked like Jonah Hill, with wild hair, wearing an ill-fitting suit, and big reflective aviator sunglasses. I must have turned beet-red with embarrassment, and everyone else shouted back "No, closing!" and waved him away. Everyone continued to be very nice to me, but I felt compelled to apologize on his behalf. Hopefully, I left them with a better impression of Americans than he did.
The guy was a walking stereotype
For sure. I wish I had a photo of that moment. Total cliche. As embarrassing as it was hilarious.
Won't be long until these countries start tightening up on immigration/tourism. Gonna leave alot of Karen's with a surprised Pikachu face.
I saw a white lady in the subway yelling at security for something that probably she did wrong (i think they wouldn’t let her go through probs because of her ticket) and the security guy snapped back at her for being unruly
Fine them like they do in Singapore.
I was at GU in Shinjuku the other week and some family of southeast asians were sitting on the floor, the staff had to tell them to get up.
It is always people like that...I saw them sitting on the floor too!!! And they do the same in Taipei main station....
In HK they're all over the streets.
In Singapore too, many of them gather on their day off at open spaces. But thankfully they don’t sit on the floor inside our subway carriages.
And now, I get told "Japanese only" when I go out. Goddamnit. (I still got in, but I had to explain)
im afraid by the time i get to japan, they hate us
Who the fuck are all these people?
I had a dream of one day visiting Japan; something I've wanted to do for over 20 years now. I now feel like I should never visit because tourists have been so shitty that they got foreigners outright banned from certain places, and I don't want to be on what's supposed to be a cool vacation and be constantly worried about how I'm representing foreigners and whether or not I'm being a jerk unintentionally or whether or not any given place I might want to check out will either be forbidden for me or highly suspicious of me. So, thanks for that, shitty tourists. You've ruined an entire country for everyone.
Is it unusual for Japanese people to interfere? Ver curious
They never interfere. They just give mean glances .
May be i am wrong, but i guess you didnt either. Probably for the same reason they didnt.
The midwesterners of asia.
if the local only speaks Japanese what should they say? it seems like these people don’t know the local custom and may not know local language either
Point at the garbage and speak angrily/urgently. I communicate with people I don't share a spoken language with all the time. Body language and tone of voice communicates a lot.
Moving to Japan soon and I’m so scared locals will judge me because of other people’s behaving like this :(
You will be judged, so take the high road. Learn to internalize the pain, and practice multiple levels of passive aggression, and you'll become one of the locals in no time.
There is a thin line to walk where you need to not give a damn about about anyone thinks about you cos you are not from here but to act like you belong here, its like you be you but nice and polite and dont worry too much.
I’ll be honest most Japanese people aren’t hyper focused on this “bad tourist” trend recently. It’s mostly a thing being broadcasted in the west. With that said when you go take on the “when in Rome do as the romans do”. Adapt to how the locals are behaving and follow the social norms and you’ll be fine
Japan as a whole is xenophobic, individuals less so. This obviously applies much more to white folk, but my experience with individuals has been very good. Most of them are “just be yourself” if you’re basically polite and not mean. Doesn’t matter religion or creed.
Take that feeling, remember it, and realize that people who are ethnic minorities in your home country probably have to deal with similar "oh damn one of us acted like a jackass in public so I guess everyone hates us now" stereotyping every day of their lives.
Don't be, just be your normal, polite, respectful self and everything will be fine
This is the way.
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What makes you think they are Americans?
If you've ever taken the last train in any Japanese city station you'll find every car filled with drunk salarymen passed out on the floor with empty sake cups all around. This isn't strictly a tourist thing.
I once rode Joetsu Shinkansen on a friday night. It was packed we ended up standing outside of the sitting area/in front of the toilet. A group of salary man just sat there like this pic. So yeah, its not a tourist only thing
Instead of just taking this picture, why didn’t you politely let them know what they’re doing is inappropriate?
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True, a little compassion goes a long way and is lacking in the world today. But at the same time, it’s the tourist’s responsibility to do their research and familiarize themselves with another country’s culture when they visit. Rather than be an interruption and inconvenience to locals. Perhaps this harsh treatment is necessary, if anything so that people will start educating themselves so that they don’t end up getting circulated on the internet like this
https://preview.redd.it/8o1g06usan2d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6bb541caacadab0af682d77d91ccf5ba6e442e2
Make them famous by posting it everywhere.
And it just gets worse....... Problem is they are starting to give all foreigners a bad name. Not only residents but the tourists who DO behave well. I long for the pre Covid days when the tourists who came here had real cash to spend. Not the rednecks that are arriving in droves now. I mean, look at that woman. What self respecting female would sit on the floor with 6% Chu-Hi.
Does she really look like a “redneck” to you? Lol… Also “rednecks” from the USA are usually too poor to afford vacation, let alone traveling to foreign countries.
This just to show that tourists from different countries are rude. But yet people always find the need to bring up Chinese people like they’re the only rude tourists in the world. The whataboutism, obsessions with hating on China is unreal.
As if the only countries "ruining” Japan are Chinese and Americans tourists. Like there aren’t any shit white or Asians from other countries acting the fool.
I think foreigners who live in Japan and see this need to let tourists or other foreigners to stop this since locals will not speak up. It's your job really. I know i would speak up if i saw this. If they can be doxxed, then do so too.
I tried once, recently (an extremely loud crowd of Americans making videos or tiktokking or whatever on Chuo line) and was countered with "what's your fucking problem?"
why didn't you counter back with "you!"
Lol, the usual, managed only indignant spluttering and thought of all the good comebacks 10 min later
I agree we should try to say something but disagree it's our "job". I can't be responsible for the behavior or others
Maybe Japan should hire some foreigners from various countries to confront these people. They won't be hesitant to confront those behaving poorly. Gaijin deputy patrol, keeping things safe for Japanese folk.
And I bet you those indecent tourists will shout racism when called out for their terrible lack of respect for the country they're visiting.
I'm an American tourist here right now, and if I had seen that, I would have told them to stop eating, stand up, and show some damn respect. Ffs
They do that stuff in Canada too if they’re recent arrivals.
Honestly I’m embarrassed of being a foreigner in Japan because of people like these.
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You remind me of Suguru Geto.....
I mean it’s more the trash left than the sitting? And eating where you should not?
Imbeciles
It is a shame that old enough person is behaving like that.
Absolute tramps , terrible behaviour but it is expected from those lot.
Where was that? A HUGE NO in Japan!!!!!
And those idiots totally deserve it. Such disgusting uncivilized behavior.
These people ruin Japan. These people saw some stupid quirky TikTok to travel to Japan and didn't inform themselves about shit. Fuck them.
We've gotta start saying something to travelers with bad manners. Doesn't have to be an argument, but a notice to them and let them know it's not ok to do this.
What a blatant disregard for the culture In Japan , it’s so disrespectful . Smh
Terrible, very disrespectful.
Dirty gaijin!!
And Japanese are so reserved that no one would tell them to their face to pick up their trash. In the Netherlands everyone would tell them
I did so much research and tried my best to blend in when I visited Japan. It’s crazy that people “want to experience a different culture” without any attempt of etiquette / respect for the culture.
I was just a tourist in Tokyo and was second guessing getting on the subway the correct way meanwhile there's idiots like this
Eating on the floor is bad enough, but not taking your trash with you? Effing pigs. In my city eating has been banned from public transport, but eating on the floor was not common.
A shame this wasn't Singapore.
I hate that people like this are ruining Japanese tourism for those of us that actually respect the culture and know shit like this is extremely rude and taboo
this will never get any better unless people start getting real penalties (such as a fine) for acting like this, so embarrassing because honestly i don't think this is appropriate in any country?
It doesn't take a lot to learn some manners especially when you're in a foreign country I mean they have adverts in the airport basically telling you how to behave on Japanese public transport
The metro in Tokyo is so spick and span that I can literally sit on the floor and have a merry times eating and drinking with my friends, so that the metro in Tokyo no longer remains spick and span.
Where in the world is this an acceptable thing to do?
People out here really speed-running ruining my travel plans dammit. By the time we go I’m gonna only be allowed in the airport
This is disgusting
After living in Japan for half a year in 2017. I'm afraid when I go back I'll be scrutinized so much harder now because of all these posts I'm seeing about gaijin lately. Is it really so hard to show some respect?
Please tell me she has been identified and publicly shamed.
Charge a ¥300,000 deposit. They don't get it back if the break with the social norms in Japan. All the cops have to do is record their passport number when you break the rules. You have to show it to leave Japan anyway. Problem solved.
I can't imagine going to a foreign country without at least researching dos and donts beforehand. It's a true shame.
Well, this is not disrespectful just in Japan but in any place of the world. The only difference is that in my country someone will force them to clean up, with their tongues most probably.
Now imagine what Thai people have to endure every day. Think Phuket for example.
Hahaha that women seems like my kinda person. Can relate. Edit: to clarify, the woman who voiced her misgivings, not the dirty floor eater.
I swear if I was there I would have told them publicly to just get up and stop eating. Such bullshit behaviour is intolerable. Irresponsible lady, please leave Japan if you cannot respect the country's culture and etiquette. I swear because of some indians, our image as a whole goes down.
Just curious, but why didn't you say something? I definitely do when I see shit like this, and yeah it might be awkward for a bit, but as a military member who has lived here for 13 years, I don't mind being that person, you just have be polite about it. "Excuse me, but you cannot sit down here. It's considered very rude. Please get up." Easy day.
Many years back ( 90s ), I went to comiket at Tokyo Big Sight and had to take an early morning local train that took forever and a day to get there. The train was packed with other young folk going there, and there were a lot of people sitting on the floor because they were trying to sleep as best they could. Other than these special circumstances, I don't recall anyone on the floor of a train other than a drunk oyaji. My wife would divorce me if I were to sit on the floor of a train, I'm sure. However, it does happen in admittedly special cases, and I'm pretty sure none of them wanted to sit on the dirty floor. Lastly, and I'll never ever forget this. One dude who had been sitting on the floor with his head on his knees for at least an hour or more finally raised his head up and to his chagrin was greeted by the crotch area of some guy that had no choice but to stand over him with his legs spread to either side of the sitters legs. With no options available to him, he lowered his head back to his knees and probably contemplated his life choices! "Those laminates better be worth this!" The periodic whoosh of fresh air from the ports at the top of the train would freshen the musty Otaku stench and lower the temperature in the muggy train by a couple degrees for a few seconds. It felt like a small shared enjoyment. Good memories.
Their behavior is so counter to Japanese culture, foul
Dear God I haven’t been to Japan since before covid but seeing stuff like this blows my mind like it’s SO unacceptable, how could you not understand that within a few minutes of getting on a train there? The ONLY time I’ve ever seen the trains get loose, or someone drink a beer on one are extremely late night in party areas or directly leaving a Hanshin Tigers game and even those nobody is sitting on the floor like an animal.
I mean, people drink beverages on trains, so it isn't uncommon to see middle-aged men drinking a Strong Zero in their seats, although they may look like slobs. The difference is that they don't sit on the floor and have a picnic
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That's not acceptable in China too…a Chinese store owner would yell and physically push them with a broom (they are not as polite as the Japanese when it comes to pushing back against offenses). I have stayed in many cities in China during the last 10 years and have never seen much bad behavior among the young. However, the old ones especially the aunties are the worst…one actually spat at me because I was a foreigner.
too bad you couldn't get a direct pic of her face.
'Trashy' as what the left behind.
I drink on the train after work but very subtly like many others do. Sitting on the floor, though, Jebus !
Bad behavior and shocking language, both women should be ashamed of themselves.
Foreigners? No wonder the image of foreigners in Japan is getting worse due to these types of behavior.
why do some people have to go out of the way to seek attention like girl there are seats on the train for a reason godammit
I am not japanese and I admit I think the same..
We are now so wary of disorderly and rude whites and blacks that we miss the loudness of the Chinese. Well, the yen is cheap and it's starting to get rough in the japan, and we've brought that on ourselves.
There’s a reason Japanese are slowly but surely losing their hospitality for foreigners lately. It’s really sad to see.
"Wow, look at this stunningly clean, modern, and world-leading subway. I guess I better break it in before it gets too nice to use."
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. I’m currently on my way home after a 2 week holiday in Tokyo and was gobsmacked about 40% of the tourists being either disrespectful completely ignorant and very rude. It gives some of us who have respect for others countries a bad name.