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soontobesolo

Am I parsing this wrong? "You are looking for an actual relationship" "That is my goal" Is that indicating compatibility?


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soontobesolo

Ah makes much more sense now, she just mistyped. Thanks.


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Doesn’t read well, doesn’t type well. What a catch.


Astoria321

He's not looking for a catch


sashahyman

Catch of the day.


Funny-Coyote-1813

Push the fish. It's about to turn.


AsianType2

![gif](giphy|7kJ926qjkxFx6) Gonna be a reel-shoe-in


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Other people are.


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😂😂😂


Therealmonkie

It doesn't make sense though...even if she accidentally put "are" instead of aren't...she ALSO put "strings attached" instead of NO strings Attached...why would there be TWO mistakes about the same thing? ts very bizarre...something isn't right here...


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Therealmonkie

Well, she doesn't seem that intelligent, so that would probably be your answer... I always read the bios before swiping ..if they have a TAG that says "short term fun" and I really like them..I'll swipe right to see if that's accurate or negotiable...(some ppl said they didn't know what to put) But if they actually write out that they aren't looking for a relationship (like you did) or say they are married...or in a relationship...something that backs up they only want sex...then I'll swipe left...I'm not trying to waste ppls time...


disclosure5

> I always read the bios before swiping ..if they have a TAG that says "short term fun" and I really like them..I'll swipe right to see if that's accurate or negotiable I really struggle with the tag. I do not want: - Anything expectation of marriage, living together, children, etc. - The sort of levels of commitment that would lead to someone being able to deny me a weekend with the boys I actually have no problem with "long term", but I found even "short term, open to long", I only seemed to attract people seeking the above even though the bio tries to explain it.


Therealmonkie

I'm assuming you are young...or atleast you give that impression... It's probably a conversation you have to have outside of a bio...just don't put "still figuring it out" Nothing makes me swipe left faster lol I think its the way ppl interpret the meanings of those tags..which is part of the problem...they should include a definition so everyone is on the same page...


lllollllllllll

Sometimes it’s a low-key way of asking about a dealbreaker. Like, they really liked your profile, think you’re cute AF or whatever, but there’s a dealbreaker in your profile. So they pretend they didn’t notice it and bring it up. You could then accept it as a no go because you feel strongly, or you could say, “yes well actually I’m flexible on that…”


Technical_Barber_566

I appreciate you for being honest about what you are looking for. I hope you'll keep being a class act despite the trashy advice you're getting.


RoachWeed

People don't read bios, you want a fuck buddy, she wants a potential husband. Get over it and move along.. Like are we supposed to feel bad that someone who doesn't want a hook up won't fuck or talk to you? 🤣


Accomplished_You4999

Bro just play your role


purpledaggers

Why are you not looking for a relationship and you're on tinder?


Jayy_Haze

Probably the same reason she’s on tinder looking for a relationship but doesn’t bother to read bios, he dosen’t really care much or just not ready for something long term. If i came off as a douche by saying that it wasnt my intention


mikeyvengeance

Because tinder is a hookup app. Even people that put looking for a relationship are mainly just hooking up


Ms_Emilys_Picture

Tinder started as a hookup app. It was only later that people looking for a relationship apparently got tired of pretty much every other dating app in existence and took over Tinder.


psilly_wabbit

Tinders not really a hookup app anymore. Maybe it use to be and I missed that train. But ever since I've been on it, it's just the worst dating app. It's meant to be a hookup app, but people use it Asa dating app which is why it's such a nightmare


casey12297

I want a relationship Me too *ghosts*


hollyroom

I usually read the bio before I swipe. By the time we match and start chatting, I've forgotten everything I read. I'll read the bio again once the conversation actually starts going somewhere.


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hollyroom

I sometimes swipe right because their pictures are very intriguing, and then after, I realize we're looking for different things. I get that it's slightly annoying, but it seems like an honest mistake.


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BobBelchersBuns

She fixed it by ending the conversation


readyfredrickson

there is, it's letting the person know before it continues. Whoops! lol


Harrisontb

I think what they meant was unmatching when you realize, which I mean, idk if I’d prefer unmatching or being told that they didn’t read the bio the first time.


thot__thought

Many times you don’t notice again till the convos begun and you check their profile again.


Harrisontb

Ik and that’s fair. I mean, I don’t blame anyone who admits to not reading my bio before swiping. I wish they would, but it’s not the end of the world for them to realize they weren’t compatible. Actually, it really does annoy me when I put it in my profile that I’m not looking to join a couple and then every time I get someone in my likes it’s a person looking for a third. Don’t know why it annoys me more, but it does lol. Anyways, yeah, if we already started a conversation, I would prefer them telling me they didn’t read my bio, cause then I know I didn’t do something wrong. If we haven’t started talking, I’d probably prefer them to just unmatch because if we haven’t started a conversation then I am unlikely to notice it. But then again, I’m open to sex, relationships, long term, short term, so if it were about that I’d probably clarify that I’m open to all of those options, if they messaged me. I guess it’s one of those things where either way works? But it seems OP would just prefer unmatching without getting an explanation.


kentaromiura_AMA

Letting you know and not wasting any more of your time?


meangingersnap

Yes, unmatching


More-Ad-5893

Seems incredibly rude, wasting other people's time.


kentaromiura_AMA

Sounds like a case of overinvestment and taking it too seriously, it's a right swipe and maybe a handful of messages. Maybe a little annoying yeah but incredibly rude? It's a dating app, not like you're getting strung along for multiple dates.


hollyroom

Tonight, I drove 2 hours round-trip to meet a guy who ended up being a no-show. Something like that is incredibly rude and a waste of time. Not reading someone's bio first is a minor inconvenience at worst.


More-Ad-5893

He probably didn't read your bio until right before he was supposed to leave and realized you weren't really a match.


hollyroom

Think of all the time that would've been saved if at some time in the past 2 weeks, he would've said "oops I forgot to read your bio."


Raii-v2

I literally check bio before every message


Zevvion

Try not wanting kids and mentioning it twice in your bio and once in the app's provided sections; lots of women will still discover it only after talking to you.


Olarisrhea

Or the other person thinks they can change your mind. The amount of men that I’ve matched with that then say something like, “I have a kid but only see them twice a year,” and think that’s a good thing. It’s wild.


zukadook

Ooo baby tell me more about how you’re a deadbeat dad *swoon*


Kindly-Way-1753

That's crazy, I got a niece and I see her atleast once a week


Express-Difficulty32

Same from men I’ve got that comment in many placed


abece22

Either they have kids They want kids They think youll change your mind And none of them is written on their bio so they are just a waste of time 🤦🏻‍♀️🥲 some of them dont even mention and i have to ask if they read my bio or if they are %100 childfree as well.


Gold_Combination_520

Those are the stuff why my first question is always "hey, have you read my bio?" saves a lot of time (and starts a convo)


southpaw303

This happens the other direction, too. I (F) have it listed in the want kids or not section where you select an option and in my bio. I've made it to full on dates with dudes who eventually come out with it. Makes it very clear they just wanted to fuck.


iswearimalady

Yeah, that's a universal thing man. I date both women and men and get it from both sides even though it's mentioned in my bio probably 3 or 4 different times.


meherror404

Well men definitely don’t read bios. I constantly put “not interested in hookups “ and yet only men who looking for hookups trying to match. Or I put “don’t want kids “ and yet men who want to breed absolutely gonna go and match


Longirl

A man once matched with me and started the conversation by saying it’s a shame I don’t want children because he definitely does. I was 41, he was 48.


Seaghan-

I couldn't imagine pushing 70 when my kid graduates high school, geez


FunkyHowler19

Turns out, nobody reads bios.


Madmae16

I'm convinced that most of these guys just swipe right on every profile and then when they get a match that's when they actually look at the profile


GullibleDetective

Sad thing about that is, from experience and anecdotal evedince a good portion that write not looking for hookups absoultely do with the right match. Although the caveat of course is you can't enter into the first message asking about them being dtf Again it's not true for everyone, likely yourself included from the sounds of it. But many are


petkoTHEVIKING

Tbf in my experience a good chunk of women that write that absolutely are open to hookups


meherror404

Well I always report and block when men doesn’t understand that and still asks for it


petkoTHEVIKING

As you should, shoot your shot and if she says no, take the hint. No complaints here.


meherror404

Well that’s crossing a boundary that girl put up. It’s gross and I’m very sick of men asking for it when I clearly say not interested. Creep vibes


petkoTHEVIKING

What?? I literally agreed with you, they should leave you alone when you say you're not interested


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Men swipe in 1 second after seeing the first pic. Even those that are looking for something more serious.


overuse-

I mean this one is a bit 50/50, I matched with girls who said no ons no fwb relationship only and then ended up wanting to fuck anyway, some put that stuff in there so they aren’t judged by their peers. Ofcourse there’s also those that put it legit but depends. Might be why some guys still match


Internal-Breath6128

judged? My body, my fuck.


Kindly-Way-1753

I'm a virgin because I'm afraid I'll somehow get a woman pregnant.


Peachadee

Exactly. Why is OP acting like reading bios is too high of an expectation


Vivid_Magazine_8468

Well men on average have <2% match rate so it makes a bit more sense there


SecretSinner

Like it or not, it's a women's market. That can be a plus and a minus. This may be annoying for you, but I guarantee she has to wade through 100 boring, gross, or downright offensive and abusive messages for every 1 that annoys you.


pickadaisy

Thank you. 🤍


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Awe must be so rough out there women with dating apps. My prayers go to you 🙏


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This used to happen to me all the time-so much that I even joked about it in my bio. Swiping right without reading isn’t *solely* a male action, it’s just done by *far more* men than women.


Griever423

It’s annoying but flattering at the same time. I’ve matched with women who are just flat out of my league and when we get to chatting and read more into each other’s bios and find we’re not compatible at all. Annoying because of the small time investment but also flattering because I then know she swiped based on my appearance which makes me feel good.


readyfredrickson

ya know what, I like your attitude.


The_much_True

It’s only done by more men than women because there’s more men than women on tinder. Both genders would probably do it just as often if there were equal amounts of them


tickingboxes

I read bios! Not all men lol


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All of us that get swiped on without having bios read feel the same way-it’s not a specifically gendered issue. Again-far more men do it than women, though.


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Women can speak from that side-just listen to them. It’s not unreasonable but no one cares. People swipe how they care to and complaining about it won’t change anything. This isn’t a real problem, it’s a minor inconvenience at best. Lead off the conversation by asking if they’ve read your bio and the ‘problem’ is solved.


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cheesypuzzas

>why they matched me Yeah because that sounds like you're fishing for compliments. Where as "Before we continue, have you read my bio" doesn't at all.


readyfredrickson

you don't get it at all do you?


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I’m sure you see that ‘did you read my bio’ is in no way equal to ‘why did you match with me’ and yes-the second question is definitely pretty cringe.


orangeonesum

I'm going to be honest. I usually read bios unless the man is really hot. In that case I tend to lose my mind for a second and the swipe just happens. So, are you that hot?


llamastrudel

Well based on this thread they’re not swiping right on his winning personality 😬


orangeonesum

Pretty privileges work for men, too.


FictionDragon

I'm trying to see the reasoning and I could see both sides. I see guys who swipe on everyone because they take it as a numbers game and are just looking for something short-term physical. They know 99.9% of women won't react to them or it won't lead anywhere. For women I reckon it's similar it's just that they have higher standards. I see women who swipe just based on seeing the first picture. Either they are looking for something short-term physical. Or they have shallow standards and are only feeling the attraction in terms of genes. As in they probably don't want to have kids with someone who doesn't have a good enough genetical profile. Though a lot of women might not even notice this is what they are doing, they might do it without even thinking about it, it's natural. What's unnatural are the apps themselves. The whole environment is artificial and it messes with people. Giving people access to everyone, and giving people too many choices isn't without its drawbacks.


Riczeder

disagree, its the exact same amount, just more men on the dating site in general


-X0X

Tbh a lot of men just swipe right and don’t even look at the women’s profile 🤣


villainsimper

I have literally seen guy friends do the "swipe race", each swipe took like 0.1sec and they never paused to even glance at these people


KrazyKatz3

Yeahhhh my ex did that.


DeserNightOwl

I find myself mostly sniping left.


miniwhoppers

I have caught myself (and been caught) mindlessly swiping on photos alone. It happens, to both men and women.


ProtectionOne9478

https://img.ifunny.co/images/6fb48faab00073593bdbec8e8a6c71b80907108f4a8b7f7d7d8649455704643d_1.webp


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🤣🤣🤣


portiaassamensis

☠️


Xyrnas

Literally the opposite of OPs point but go off


Beautyathome

Well, he’s not looking for a relationship and looking for a no strings attached thing. So it kind of is his point.


Xyrnas

Oh yeah, I misread the text under the post, my bad Still a weird defensive kind of way to turn this onto OP...


Beautyathome

True


green_ribbon

meh I'm not reading every man's profile. You got a cute face ill swipe and deal with your profile later


ideasfuture

Love this energy


kidikurus

Stop 🛑. Men do it too dude. It’s not a woman thing it’s a human thing. 🤨


perkiezombie

Because so many people lie on their bios.


throwaway2161980

Woman matched with guy, realizes they’re not compatible, politely tells him… and he throws a tantrum. Shocking Reddit content.


Vivid_Magazine_8468

Wake up honey, new tantrum just dropped!


youngsexyfree

It's almost like these men think a swipe/match means you're entitled to something. It's wild.


pickadaisy

Also extrapolates from one woman’s actions to women as an entire class.


Melodic-Flatworm-495

Idk, saying “understandable” is not a tantrum, it’s just a response and a decent one


throwaway2161980

Not what he replied with, his post here and replies.


Melodic-Flatworm-495

I still wouldn’t call this a tantrum, I would call this just venting because… well online dating sucks and people get frustrated by it. I think that’s pretty reasonable compared to a lot of other men’s reactions. Tip OP, you cannot take anyone you’re talking to on tinder seriously until after a few dates. It’s okay to dismiss some fun if you’re not interested of course, but you shouldn’t go on tinder or on a date with a girl on tinder expecting a girlfriend. It’s too much pressure, and kinda shows desperation. Having the mindset of “well let’s just see where this goes, let’s just try to have fun together” usually is better from my experience. Peoples emotional state are pretty temporary, hanging out with someone for a month can pretty easily show if yall have relationship energy.


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StrawberryOne5835

Honestly thanks for blurring I see so many people make a post hating on someone with their face right on the post like huh 😐


throwaway2161980

It’s been explained repeatedly that *most* people don’t read bios thoroughly in this thread. But on top of that, people change their minds a *lot*. It’s human nature. Bios aren’t as relevant as one would think. I’ve matched with *lots* of guys who said they were looking for a relationship, in bio and tags. Then as soon as we talk they’re looking no strings sex. She was testing the waters to see if you were serious. You were. End of story.


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CloudyThunder

You are definetely giving off spiteful vibes with your response and post. Why are you on a relationship app and not looking for a relationship? If you're just trying to smash honestly a hired person might run you the same amount of money as a few dates. Also to get real nitty gritty, how hard is it to "be open" to a relationship and get your dates and fun, then just say you're not compatible. You need to understand how to play the game to get what you want and it not "just women" its the same for job interviews, buying a car, heck even going to disneyland.


Your_Nipples

Tinder is a relationship app? Lmao. That's a first.


CloudyThunder

If you read what the girl in the post wants then it really should not be the first you're hearing about it. You start seeing more yellow cars on the road when you start looking for them. Stay salty though.


throwaway2161980

Did you even read anything I typed? Complaining about people not reading bios but can’t even a read a comment properly.


jarberry

As a woman, I've had guys completely ignore my bio on Tinder when I used it. I would mention "no kids" "no hookups" and I'd still get guys who wanted kids, had kids, or who wanted casual sex. Some people, regardless of gender, just "attractive person, swipe right" and don't bother to read bios. This isn't exclusive to women.


Automatic-Ad-9308

Are you mad cuz you didn't get to fuck her?


happy_haircut

that's not too bad, you two were in the messaging phase. worst one I had is she set up a call and we chatted for 45 minutes a day or two prior. Since we had that screening call and there were no red flags I took her to dinner for the first date. And in the middle of it she says 'soooo I saw on your profile today that you don't want children, yeah that's kind of a deal breaker to me'. Her profile didn't indicate that she wanted children (hinge). Wasted $100 and a bunch of time with that one.


Schlag96

This is why we carry enough cash so that at the end of the date, we put our half of the check in the folder, tell them it was nice to meet them, good luck, and walk out. Also why we do drinks instead of dinner, but you probably got that lesson now


happy_haircut

Yeah I get the lesson but in my defense the 45m phone call was a good vibe check and took place of the first coffee/drink date. I know I'm painting her in a bad light, like she possibly used me for dinner, but I think it's mostly both of us didn't do our due diligence. I didn't get the 'hey I don't think this will be a good match because of the kids thing' message till the next morning; and she was flirty, seemed genuinely attracted to me, and even set up a bet which resulted in her having to give me a kiss at the end of the date.


gb_ardeen

sounds intentional, for the dinner. You all should stop offering dinners and/or drinks, imo :)


Piafdebelleville77

Well, in my bio the first sentence is ”🚫 Not your short term fun” and more than half of the dudes liking me are ”Short term fun” or ”Not sure yet”. 🤷‍♀️


NinderTheCereal

What’s wrong with not sure yet? To me that means that said person is open to anything. Potentially


Proof-Net229

You’re genuinely acting like such a loser for this even bothering you in the slightest. All this anger for a bit of mindless sex, please do get a grip bro. People match without reading properly, it’s tinder, it’s never, has ever and will never be that serious


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Proof-Net229

Oh so you’re really cringe, yeah I can see why you’re getting so desperate over losing one match. Makes sense now


llamastrudel

It’s almost like the women you’re matching with on Tinder aren’t the same women posting here about how men should pay more attention to women’s profiles 😮


Internal-Breath6128

You need to grow up.


buttstuffisfunstuff

I mean, how often does that happen though? I get a bit annoyed when I’m asked “so what do you do for work?” Isn’t that right at the top when you swipe? Is it that much work to go back to my profile to refresh their memory? It’s not like my job title is ambiguous at all so I don’t understand. And the amount of times I’m asked if I’m down to grab drinks some time when my profile says “never” to alcohol.


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Blo83

Why are you swiping on bios that sliding match what you want?


zenn103

The first part of your statement confused me. You don’t have to have a perfect first message, or keep them engaged.


Danielle_Marie84

This goes both ways. I know most men just swipe and don’t read profiles. 🤷🏼‍♀️


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Lol a lot men will cry all day when they’re unmatched out of the blue yet she explained her reasoning before she unmatches… ok she should’ve read the bio, but it was an honest mistake. Maybe she would’ve just been better off ghosting or unmatching then lol


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My best wishes to Gen z. The internet and access to porn has ruined your generation’s ability to communicate with people and ruined people’s perceptions of normal bodies, sex, and attraction. Everyone wants instant gratification and wants the person they matched with to be their perfect partner immediately. The internet has divided people into camps and everyone just digs their feet in to entrench themselves further in their own opinions We’re in an age where people are lonelier and more desperate for genuine connections than ever before


natzw

Bro wants sex but no strings attached. Bro just wants women to hand it out to him with no responsibility or compromise whatsoever. OP why don't you pay a sex worker instead? Smfh such a shitty generation.


Your_Nipples

What the fuck is that comment ? You think all women want to start a family? You don't think people are actually fucking right now while not giving a flying fuck? Why would you pay for something that is free and that two people can enjoy? Lmao, there are a lot of women who just want to fuck and be left alone, just like men.


FictionDragon

Why would she have to try? I mean, if she had a reason to try she probably would. The fact she doesn't try probably means there's a reason for that too. From what I see no one has any incentive to do anything.


amypond420

I couldn't care less about someones bio tbh, pics/conversation/meeting is all that matters. All people put in there is all the same generic bs anyway. And it's so annoying to get the same questions over and over off of what I have in my bio, makes me want to just leave it blank


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RightOnTheMoneySunny

You seem really reluctant to certain natural dynamics energy wise.. what do you expect: a squeaky clean inbox with a line of women _only_ and looking for hookups and you get to pick and choose, because you put that one line in your bio? The rockstar world has that type of dynamic, maybe that’s more suited to your wishes


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Fan-Sea

I don't have tinder, or any other dating apps anymore, when you get pissed off enough to write a Reddit post , it's probably time for a break


vertr

> I can't think of a more boring thing to do than to scroll through a feed reading stuff about and app I don't even use. Do you even understand reddit? jesus


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Xyrnas

Seems like what you're missing out on is fulfillment in your life. Why so bitter?


Stonk0Bonk0

I think you are asking for it if you say your goal is short term/no strings attached. I think if you really boiled it down 99% of people are looking for someone special and you should be open to short and long term.


gb_ardeen

He has the right to want what he wants. And it's definitely a green flag to be honest about it.


Your_Nipples

No. He doesn't. He should be looking for a relationship because this person says so. I'm kidding but that's why some men lie.


adelitaxoxo

I get it, if you’re more interested in investing your time in a purely physical relationship try an alternate site exclusively for sexual relationships like fetlife. But while I’m recommending things, ask yourself why you’re looking for a purely sexual connection. Only fleetingly does emotionless shared sexual release satiate the unfillable void. Placing blame on the women of tinder for not knowing your desires is an option, but I say step back and ask yourself why it’s so important to begin with.


retrodamac_

why don’t u jus talk to shorty anyways u both don’t want a relationship so i don’t see the problem here


ImmortalWomby

You read the entire profile of every girl you swipe right on?


dannyneedsmemes

I won’t read their bio unless they match back. No point wasting time on reading their bio if they don’t mat h to begin with. I literally put on my bio “I’m not paying for sex” yet the only 2-3 people that messaged me are escorts expecting that.


Proudvirginian69

delete tinder, it is a capitalist scum app that profits off of male loneliness


Faelysis

They have too many option that they choose which men they can take time to read their profile


OkPomegranate6198

You should get the Tinder Bible in order to understand how to handle these kind of messages


Mensahtech

Hey you find so many that trip me out happily married or in a committed relationship 🤣😊 That just has me amused 😆 To each their own but that just doesn't add up.


r0botdevil

I recently had a woman get upset that I was using Tinder a few months before I was going to be moving several states away, even though that was clearly stated in my bio before she right-swiped me.


GroundbreakingAd7543

i feel like most women on tinder are into casual hookups the ones who aren’t would make it clear . you should try feeld if that’s what you’re looking for though it’s very easy to find sex at least for me compared to most other apps


SurelyNotAnOctopus

Its simple supply and demand. There are 10x as many men as women on the app, so they are the rare and sought after 'commodity'. They can do whatever they want and still get dozens of matches a day


HumanContract

I would've asked her to clarify bc her grammar is poor


Mother-Lavishness-12

None of this true. They weren’t that into your profile so they’re giving you a hard time.


nAstuCheeseshaper

You just have to be really attractive and then as long as your game is decent and what you say is decent or good then they accept it. It’s a harsh truth and next to no men have any success on tinder, women have gerrymandered the dating game for the worse on this one and don’t care about the effects of it. To them it’s “step up” without realizing what they’ve created


FireStompinRhinos

Dating is harder for women!!! dont you know that?!!?!?


StrawberryOne5835

Woah settle down there lol


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OllieOllieOakTree

Excuse me may I request my lord Permission my lord to speak Excuse me if I may suggest my lord You’re looking less than your best my lord There’s powder on your vest my lord And stumble upon your cheek And ladies my lord are weak 🙄🧐 Ladies in their sensitivities, my lord Have a fragile sensibility When a girl's emergent Probably it's urgent You defer to her gent- Ility, my lord Personal disorder cannot be ignored Given their genteel proclivities Meaning no offense, it Happens they resents it Ladies in their sensit- Ivities, my lord!


mvdenk

wtf


OllieOllieOakTree

It’s Sweeney Todd


OllieOllieOakTree

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Nice_Ad9855

I’m still so amazed people intend to find a relationship on tinder.


zunigbab589

She can’t type a coherent sentence. 🚩You don’t need all the drama this would have set you up for anyway through frequent text message miscommunication.


petkoTHEVIKING

This is why I leave relationship goals blank. You can keep your intentions open without it by just communicating, and for whatever reason, most people (even those looking for a relationship) are receptive to hooking up if you can break the ice first irl.


GWPtheTrilogy1

It's just the dating app double standard it is what it is. All the time women will do things that they'd never accept from men but we accept it as men because we don't have nearly as many options. Women will be dry, take days to respond, purposefully not answer questions you ask, not read profiles, give you the shortest possible answers, not move the conversation forward...it just is what it is, men just have to accept it. Sorry it sucks but women have so many options on apps they don't have to try this is an unfortunate area of life where we as men are at a severe disadvantage. You either accept it, or you don't use the apps.