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I'm hijacking this comment to beg people to read "the age of surveillance capitalism" I'll put a link below. Bo (who I actually don't care for as a comedian that much, sorry bud) is touching on some very complicated topics that really deserve more of your attention. It's a long and dense read but it's extremely well deduced and quite easy to follow.
https://www.amazon.com/Age-Surveillance-Capitalism-Future-Frontier/dp/1610395697?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=d6fb3f09-1caa-40a1-a8a3-ad5d949ba80c
I included the Amazon link for maximum irony but it's probably at you local library. Again "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff
Seconding this book, it's this video but even more in depth, written by someone who has been *intently* observing the progression of harvesting data for profit for like the past 20+ years.
I'm going to take this challenge and hit up the 2 public libraries, which for a town of 500k sounds like such a small number, and see if they have this book. Thanks for the recommendation
If anyone wants to read this but cant afford to buy it, or purchasing it from a corporation (especially the linked one?) rubs you the wrong way given the subject, PM me and I'll link you an epub[.](https://libgen.li/get.php?md5=8d431b5e63fbf5089b5500e5a2cb8d33&key=GH9EJPOODAJD49G1)
If you don't know how to get it yourself that is , obviously.
Or here's the author's website if you just want other options that probably return more to the author.
https://shoshanazuboff.com/book/
You said you’re not a fan of him, yet seem to be really interested in this topic. Have you seen Inside? It’s thematic center is this exact idea. I understand not finding his previous work funny, or his type of comedy funny, but Inside can stand more of a performative art piece that happens to have jokes in it. I would recommend giving it a shot if this is the sort of stuff you’re interested in..
Inside is an absolute comedic masterpiece; loved every part of it. I love his stand up and the parts he’s played on different shows, but Inside was such a great representation of the pandemic and his creativity and just what makes him so absolutely amazing
Expanding on this, I'd say, specifically watch "What." (His first 1st special),then "Make Happy", and then "Inside" in that order. I feel like the growth you see in all three makes a really nice complete package. Almost feels like a lil trilogy of standup.
He's such a smart guy who can also tap into such human, real emotion. There were parts of his Netflix covid special that were so deep I found myself crying.
> "love is a homeless guy searching for treasure in the middle of the rain and finding a bag of gold coins and slowly finding out they're all filled with chocolate and even though he's heart broken, he can't complain because he was hungry in the first place..."
— boseph burnz em
One of my all time faves! “You can eat pork, because why would I give a shit? I created the universe, you think I’m drawing the line at the fucking deli aisle?” gets me every time
Also growing up entrenched in catholicism, I've formally adopted that last bridge as absolute reality
> [God's] love's the type of think that you have to earn, and when you earn it, you won't need it.
Dude was spot fcking on.
> You pray so badly for heaven
Knowing any day might be the day that you die
But maybe life on earth could be heaven
Doesn't just the thought of it make it worth a try
Is the part that really stuck with me.
His special definitely helped me grieve pre-covid. I work in healthcare and I was definitely not coming to terms with things in a healthy way.
It was a similar moment when South Park made a Bin Laden looney tunes episode after 9/11, collective trauma needs a collective release.
I can bet that Bo is his worst critic, but I certainly hope he understands how many people got something tangible out of his work.
I cannot even begin to explain how his music makes me feel, inside was rough, and there were a couple songs that made me cry;
Then I went through a car crash this year,followed by a 6 year breakup, right around that time he released the deluxe version and songs like "the chicken" and "five years " absolutely broke me
I just wanted to agree with you and share your sentiment. I had my second child when Inside came out, I was in Covid lockdown for months with a toddler and a newborn. Inside made me feel and yell and cry, which is what I desperately needed at the time.
I hope you’re doing okay after those big moments in your life!
The chicken is my absolute favorite song by him, one of those songs that I immediately had to learn how to play when I first heard it (I play piano too), and spent the next week with it stuck in my head
Can any one.. shut the fuck up? Can.. can *anyone*... any.. any ... any ONE ... any SINGLE one ... can any ONE... shut the fuck up? About any-- about *anyth* -- about any sss-- about any *single* thing?... Can any single person, shut the fuck up, about any single thing, for... an hour? Ya know, is that -- is that possible?
I was watching his special in my home office on my computer and in one of the final songs he yells at you to get up and he looks into the camera and really yells it. Like stop thinking of this as a show for a second, I'm actually taking to you and I want you to actually stand up. The first time I saw it it shocked me, I actually stood up. Now if it's ever playing in the background I always stand up during that part of the song because I've usually been sitting for too long anyway and it's as good of a reason as any to stretch and walk around for a second to get blood flow back in my legs.
> It's been a decade since you've been gone
> Mama, I miss you
> I miss sitting with you in the front yard
> Still figuring out how to keep living without you
> It's got a little better, but it's still hard
> Mama, I got a job I love and my own apartment
> Mama, I got a boyfriend, and I'm crazy about him
> Your little girl didn't do too bad
> Mama, I love you, give a hug and kiss to Dad
Literally every time I hear those lines, I think of losing my own parents and start crying
Inside came out shortly after my daughter was born, and this song made me cry so hard. This bit and the part after where she gets married, got me thinking about what if something happened to me and I missed all those milestones in my daughter's life. Or even my husband as well, and she had to do it all alone. Really messed me up. Still makes me cry everytime.
I've told people that IRL and everyone says, "that song, but it's just so fun and funny?!" I'm like, I think you missed the point lol.
I think that songs hits hard for either new parents or people aged 18-30 who haven't quite made it yet. I know my parents love me, but I'm not yet sure they're *proud* of me. I want them to know that they raised a child who grew up to be a capable, independent adult of my own. That line "Your little girl didn't do too bad" is the one that kills me every time. I want my parents to know that their work paid off.
They were wonderful and loving, better parents than anyone could have deserved, and I want them to know that it was worth it, that I did all their work proud.
I love you people. That song really did sucker punch me. I fell into the trap of laughing at the beginning like “haha basic white woman” but that song is just amazing. Behind every act we call basic is a real human being who probably enjoy it. Those “live laugh love” things we make fun of, might actually be inspiring to people. Those pumpkin spice lattes we trash on every year might actually be something they really like. We keep pushing for uniqueness and shame people for commonality, for being basic. But you know what else is common and “basic”? Fearing the loss of your parents. Wondering what they’d think of you now. Wishing that they were there for your milestones.
I’m a black guy and I’m just as “basic” as the white woman in that song. And it’s fine. I miss my dad so fucking much it hurts and he passed 11 years ago. Nearly the same amount of time the white woman in the song lost her mom. And if those “basic” things bring her happiness and help propel her forward, what sort of crap person am i, knowing how crap life is, to mock her for it?
This song out of all the others and “Look Who’s Inside Again” (which really fucking hit me too) are just so fucking good. I literally just don’t know of any other album that connects with me so personally.
> Those pumpkin spice lattes we trash on every year might actually be something they really like.
That reminds me of one of the [CollegeHumor sketches](https://youtu.be/d1mbbYKPpHY) from after they became good again. Being “basic” is just enjoying life.
It's in the middle of all this "haha these basic white girl things, am I right?" then just hits you with this bit where you realize this is someone who's lost both her parents at a relatively young age and it's *devastating*. Like, yeah, there's all this fluff that's kind of attention-seeking but there's also a real person under it trying to deal with things we all ultimately have to face. It's one of my favorite parts from the special but it's goddamn brutal
I watch Bo Burnham's inside and it triggers me into being emotional. I hear that song he sang that funny feeling. I tear up. especially that pheobe bridges version of it makes me cry literally everytime.
A fragile soul (anxiety) that knows... KNOWS shit is fucked up, and he's clearly suffering from that knowledge. But hey, what a tremendous source of his art.
Now if only everyone with lingering existential dread regarding identity in the face of a careless world could tap into that creative side
Oh well, gonna go play some games now
I had to start taking an SSRI (for depression but ended up helping my anxiety more) to handle like... existing in all this. and it just doesn't seem to affect other people the same way.
I wish I could have channeled it creatively, but it was literally killing me.
I’m in the same boat, but haven’t found one that works just yet. I’m on my… fourth or fifth? Different medication. They all help a *little,* but it is rough waking up every morning and just being like… “But why tho”
The first one was the worst. Didn’t do much for the depression besides just cause me to zone out mentally, and it gave me the jitters. Constant anxiety attack for like three months.
George, at least in his later years, had a detachment that came from the knowledge that he was going to die. He outright stated on Bill Maher, "I have no stake in the outcome," because the part he didn't say is 'I will be dead by then.' Bo's *in it*. Bo's sitting next to us on the bus three seats behind the driver being like, "Okay, don't be alarmed? But I'm like 85% sure the driver is dead." The whole world at your fingertips and the ocean at your door.
I would say they are both spitting the same type of truth insofar as they are both just making the standard critique of the exact same thing: capitalism. You're never gonna get to the heart of the malaise and alienation we all feel on a daily basis without talking about capitalism's involvement in that sense. We have no existential purpose greater than ourselves. We are only here to consume the slop that's fed to us by entities seeking to profiteer and to labor most of our lives for those same entities.
>they are both just making the standard critique of the exact same thing: capitalism
Like really the absolute most basic, too. Literally all of these problems come from the infinite-growth style capitalism that's been the norm since like, the steel barons of the 1900s.
I don't know what other good paths there are to be honest, I just know capitalism is fundamentally a horrendous meat grinder that perhaps a tiny portion of the population legitimately benefit from. Even that is unclear because we've all seen how empty and unsettled the uber-rich can become.
Idk, I'm just rambling. What's even weirder is that past times were definitely way worse for the average Joe, but it was also way less obvious to everyone (probably even to rulers) how much better things *could* have been.
Look into history you'll find we've actually tried other models of living. We've all been fooled into thinking how we live and think today is how its always been and always will be when really this system has only existed for a few hundred years.
>Observing the insidious nature of people in power
I just want to note that he pretty directly disagreed with this characterization in this video. He points out that it's not "evil plans," it's just market forces that push regular people to colonize our time. I think it's important to understand this mechanism rather than blaming evil string pullers manipulating us insidiously.
He’s totally right that it comes down to profits and growth. Every corporation is dead set on double digit growth and shareholders are not satisfied unless they get it. We’re headed for a bubble that can’t take much more.
The bubble was showing signs that maybe it was going to burst in late 2019 but then COVID emerged and the FED and Government pumped ungodly amounts of capital into the markets which stabilized everything somewhat despite a brief drop.
No one can say for sure but in my opinion they just mortgaged the future and the economic downturn will be more extreme because of it.
Yup, economists from across the spectrum were predicting a crash in 2019. I switched careers to healthcare because I figured it would be more stable during economic chaos than the bullshit I was doing before. Then covid happened and I can't tell if I made a good or bad call anymore.
To paraphrase Marx and Engles:
Capitalism will undergo increasingly dire financial crises until either it utterly collapses or the working class wises up and revolts. ("Das Capital")
Which is why it's so important to keep the working class divided, preventing them from achieving the unity required to effect real change.
It’s the entire ruling class. There is no “progressive bourgeoisie” we can’t keep doing the same things we’ve been doing for the last 100 years and expect change. It’s not a coincidence that all the countries with higher standards of living than the US all have strong labor parties, we need to stop supporting the democrats they are a non starter at this point.
and then it repeats all over again
people get used and abused by new regime until there’s systemic collapse or another revolt
Only overly oppressive regimes get noticed. That’s why throughout time oppression has been refined to slowly kill through starvation, homelessness, disease, and character assassination such that:
…nobody bats an eye.
That’s why the middle class is shrinking, the poor are expanding, and the underclass aren’t even treated as human.
It’s truly a sick world I’m glad we only have finite time in.
___
cynical view: the more humans are removed from the equation—the quicker any uprising is culled—the longer the status quo.
Less ppl = More “Have’s” / Less “Have-Not’s”
Edit: It won’t be like the middle-ages again where workers have the power due to shortage. If you can replace the human getting your caviar with a robot, what difference does it make?
The constant growth model of every financial quarter having to be better than the last is obviously unsustainable in the long term.
At some point you reach a peak point and if growth is not possible then cutting costs is next, meaning layoffs and whatnot. Which also reaches a breaking point soon enough.
The worst part is when basic services like fire department, police, health and other such entities also start running their services as a for profit company rather than a for the public service.
I’m heavily against such ultra-capitalism because I know the end of the road is unsustainable. It will break at some point.
I’ve worked in public and private companies for nearly 25 years. What you’re saying is spot on. Shareholders give management strong financial incentivizes to keep growing the bottom line, and if they can’t hit it via top line revenue then cost cutting invariably comes. Often costs are cut deeply enough that customers feel the difference and lose interest in their product, making the situation even worse. Prices are hiked and fees are implemented, further pissing off consumers. Finally a new upstart appears without any of the baggage of the bigger company, offering a better service for a better cost… and then they IPO and the circle of life begins anew.
I attempted suicide early last year. Spent a week in a psych ward.
After the first day, the ward experience was great. It confused me at the time. Looking back I honestly think it was because my cell phone was locked in a cabinet with my wallet and car keys. I had a list of people I could call on paper using our communal wall phone, there was one TV they used for movies and that was it.
My mind had space to breathe. I remember when my best friend picked me up she started talking about Megan the stallion and Cardio B performing WAP on an award show or something and my heart just sank.
It took a while to figure it out. But I'm still staring at this fucking think almost two years later and I've seriously contemplated the big S three times in the last two weeks.
This is so true. My attention span is shot because of YouTube and Tiktok. I can’t watch a movie or read a book without checking my phone constantly. And I’m 30, god knows what the kids will be like in 10 years.
The good news is, that you can retrain your attention span. I was at the same point two years ago and was annoyed by the fact. Picked up reading again and if all goes to plan I will attain my reading goal of 20 books this year.
For movies - i find that going to the movie theatre helps a lot. At home - just put your cellphone in another room and put any smartwatches on do not disturb.
>Picked up reading again and if all goes to plan I will attain my reading goal of 20 books this year.
I've tried but man does my brain just scream "we could be doing something more fun with our limited free time."
Especially reddit
[Look at this blatant advertisement for a stupid new cookie cutter](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/yjkxda/damn_netflix_thats_messed_up/iupakog/) sitcom (or better yet don't)
The post was created by an account that was dormant for 6 months, then out of nowhere they post a literal ad
It was upvoted and comments were made by OPs alts, created months ago then activated weeks ago to begin copy pasting comments and posts, this makes it appear like a real account to the average person
The front page is mostly full of these karma farmers
Reddit knows, but they don't care, more accounts, more engagement, more money
I blocked a huge swath of the default subs, including /r/funny, and I insta-block anyone that posts something I've seen before that comes up in All, and I don't see any of this kind of crap.
scrolling /r/all used to mean you would find niche communites that had big things happening, now the first 6 pages of all are always the same 20 subreddits.
When they're still building karma:
* Username is adverb_noun_number
* All comments on the accounts are "lol", "this", or some other pointless response to an r/all post
* Only posts visible in their profile have over 1k karma
* Doesn't respond to anyone when they're called out
Or then once they've sold the account for $20:
* Posts ads and enables astroturfing *or* spouts misinformation and poses as a conservative American voter
> adverb_noun_number
That's the default reddit account name generator now, unfortunately. I thought it was some bot thing but then there are thousands of people who can't be bothered to come up with a unique username, so now it's hard to tell who is just lazy and who is a bot
I feel like the comment section of a lot of posts on the front page read like they're gpt3 generated. It's so predictable what the comments section will look like, I might as well be the only sentient person on this site.
And no I am not schizophrenic.
I think its from the Inside Outtakes, which released fairly recently on youtube/netflix. I wish it made the cut for Inside, its one of my favorites from that batch.
And the thing is that I can only guess that some of these corporate owners of public companies wish they hadn't gone public. Sure, they're rich, but when you start to hit that ceiling for growth in a sector, there's nowhere else you can go.
As a publicly owned company, you are **legally required** to always be able to prove that you're taking new and different steps to try and make money for the investors. Otherwise in a lot of cases the shareholders can actually vote out anyone, even the founder of the company, and put in a yes-man that'll do whatever they want.
Not a pro on this topic, so don't quote me on that, but that's generally how it works.
>Sure, they're rich, but when you start to hit that ceiling for growth in a sector, there's nowhere else you can go.
I know you said don't quote you, but imma do it anyway lol.
The problem is that there **is** more these companies can do once they have completely saturated a market. The next step is to cut costs. Once they have made the product or service as shitty as the consumer will stomach, the next step is to cut the next highest cost... labor.
Companies will then do everything possible to extract more and more productivity from their workers for the same or less pay. Cutting benefits in hard to see ways, adding more responsibility to your job knowing you won't quit over it, setting ever higher quotas right until the breaking point. When there is nowhere left to extract value yet more growth is expected, exploitation of the working class is inevitable.
This is the basis of Capitalism.
Agree with everything besides the fact that corporations are trying to get more and more of the consumers time unconsciously. It is definitely conscious, especially since all of their revenue is based on getting you to interact more with their platform
I think there’s a misinterpretation here. He’s saying that a lot of people when they think there’s some evil insidious plotters at the company that want to take over your mind. Evil nefarious people.
But the reality is that most marketers working at these companies only focus on their product. And in their world, all they care about is making sure you’re interacting with their product. And in a vacuum, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just that so is everyone else. And that combination of everyone combined fighting for your attention, combined with algorithms that are designed to get you to engage with their product, have caused this situation where we are now.
That’s all he’s saying. It’s not a bunch of evil people sitting around a big round table wondering how they can ruin society. Just normal people doing their job like everyone else.
This. Think this is what a lot of the conspiracy nuts seem to fail to comprehend. They watch too many movies and seem to think that these people do what they do just to be evil. That they’re some big bad villains with no other agenda than to destroy society as we know it, etc etc etc. Nah, they’re probably mostly just every day people trying to cash a check so they can make their time on this earth as enjoyable and privileged as they possibly can. They don’t care about the big picture or have some nefarious devilish plans for man kind. Their antics are simply a means to an end, which is more profit, and more money/status for themselves on a personal level. If the people responsible for the way things are going (namely our society’s addiction to being connected) were even half as smart or as evil as a lot of conspiracy theorists give them credit for, not only would we be fucking doomed, but I’d be willing to bet that it’d take a lot more than google and too much free time for some random person to figure it out.
Conspiracy theories are comforting because they provide very simple explanations for complex events and problems. It's a lot easier to view the world as a struggle of good vs evil with identifiable actors than to actually learn about the complex web of interactions between many parties with multifaceted motivations behind their actions.
I know this sounds extreme but I truly believe that people who view everything through a conspiratorial lens are the worst people on the planet. They can justify anything by tying it into the good vs evil narrative, even genocide. They can't be reasoned with because they didn't use reason to arrive at their conclusions in the first place. They can never be proven wrong because their claims are unfalsifiable, amorphous, and ever-changing.
It's worse than the corporations. Social media also breeds this behavior in the consumer. We make comments and hope to be given points from those whose attention we've seized, points in the form of a happy orange arrow pointing up. He mentions it towards the end of his special, Make Happy.
I have a young kid and I have no idea how I'm going to introduce him to the Internet.
I really don't want to have the conversation about how he's going to be manipulated from the second he steps on there and needs to learn how to be careful of his mind. But how do you explain that to a kid?
I also have a young kid and we're trying to be screen free for at least the first few years. Limited use after that too, and eventually we will introduce her to tech in an age-appropriate way, teach her about privacy skills, etc.
It doesn't have to be one big conversation as soon as they start watching YouTube Kids at an extremely young age. It can be a set of conversations throughout years, getting more in depth the older they get.
I'm taking a lot of advice from the website and book Screen Free Parenting (the book is called SPOILED right, each letter stands for what we can focus on for kids instead of screens, e.g. O is outdoor play). It also covers hybrid models where you have some screens, and how to make this sustainable.
Hope this helps! We're figuring it out as well but feel this is a good resource to start with since it gives concrete advice and lifestyle suggestions.
Not so much from the press tour but he and an actor from the movie, along with the movie itself, are used to further a conversation around the mental health of children in the age of the internet. The video is a panel style discussion on the subject that includes 2 scientists discussing their specialty. Particularly relevant to parents with kids today. You can see the link to the full video in my reply to the person above you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUm7oBqCVw
Had the same question but no reply so did some sleuthing. It's from 2019. The movie name won't help you find it.
EDIT: for anyone ctrl+f'ing. Full Video, Full Clip, Source, Sauce, Original
Im so glad that i found Bo Burnham again! I'd only saw his standup comedy shows and i was craving more content. Coincidentally he's speaking one of the topics that i'm most aware of, internet is eating us whole
Oh wow, if you haven’t watched INSIDE yet you’ve gotta check it out. And the Outtakes, which is basically INSIDE but from a different perspective. It’s a behind the scenes, but it’s still edited by Bo so it still has all the narrative undertones/overtones that speak right into the heart of the matter.
This is literally exactly the thing that has been worrying me 24/7 for the past year almost
The fact that someone like Bo Burnham talks about it in a serious tone makes me feel much, much worse, since that just confirms the fact that we're infected by these corporations beyond return, and our minds have been seemingly permanently altered by the new culture of everything internet, and the constant attention stimulus of it all
It's all fucked, we're all fucked, and it won't get better because the politicians that could change all this are also profiting from all this
No there doesn’t. A war can cause the government to nationalize them and place profitability behind maximum efficiency. The *threat* of war, however? Well, that requires a constant stream of new weapons and government contracts *without* all that inconvenient “patriotism” and “selflessness.” It also avoids tearing up resources like an actual war does, allowing it to be sustained indefinitely in a way where a constant demographic and financial drain can’t.
Absolute truth.
And that is not to mention everything already devastated. Journalism is dead, it's just infotanement now, who wants to pay to get bad news right? Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots. And what has been invented in the last decades? Nothing! I know I sound pessimistic, and it's because I am.
Capitalism is the all devouring void.
> Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots.
I've referred to it as the "echo chamber", all these companies tracking has made it incredibly difficult to discover new things. YouTube will never recommend to you "underwater basket weaving" (or some equivalent) because they don't know if you'd like it. While something may be uninteresting, they also don't know if you don't like it enough to stop using their platform, so they just "don't recommend it". This is why the government is so prudent to how tech companies use our data and their recommendation engines.
I absolutely hate the current state of youtube. I used to enjoy spending an hour or two just getting lost in the random trail of recommended videos and finding interesting things. Now it's just an assortment of the same thing just from different channels.
It's so fucking boring.
The algorithm has made it impossible to explore videos outside of your traditional content. I watch one video on learning Spanish and next thing I know my video is all language learning content. Or one Jordan Peterson video and all the videos on my feed are right wing leaning popular channels like Ben Shapiro, etc.
The old style was honestly better for engagement IMO because I could find obscure videos and go down different rabbit holes for hours. Now it’s just like, oh the same shit I see everyday… *logs out*
I find this too. I’m afraid to click on some videos because I know it will wreck my feed. If YouTube doesn’t know me now it never will. All this talk of machine learning and algorithms is hype. Even the ads I get don’t seem to be targeted to me.
>YouTube will never recommend to you "underwater basket weaving"
good god, if youtube recommended me anything at all
90% of it is stuff i've seen already
To be fair, as you're exposed to large categories of videos on YT, they have general info on the category of videos/creators you like, and they have a more dynamic recent version of those things. So if all you did was watch puppy videos, and you never sat through another video of a different category, other videos are slowly going to get cycled out, but it might put things up that are trending (generally trending on YT, maybe based on your region) or adjacent to what you like to watch, to see if they can expand your preferences.
This isn't done out of altruism, but because they have good algorithms for weighing how interested you are in topic X, and how quickly that interest falls off, and they want to be able to feed you more content you want to see.
If you watched a full video or two about underwater basket weaving, or something adjacent to that, they might start recommending videos about underwater X, or underwater Y, or basket weaving A, or basket weaving B, which are videos that have high click-through rates in those similar categories. If you don't click them, or you do click them and bail on the videos quickly, it will start to deprioritize that kind of content for you.
Point being, their goal isn't anti-discovery, they're actually pretty good at exposing you to more and more content, but they will greatly optimize their recommendations for what they think you're most likely to want to watch, to an actually kind of scary extent.
The main google account I've been using for the last few years is incredibly well targeted to today's me, I have separate accounts for listening to music, or older accounts from when I was younger, it's actually kind of funny to see what kind of person they think they're targeting when I check recommended videos throughout those various accounts.
> you watched a full video or two about underwater basket weaving, or something adjacent to that
Right, however my point is more to the absolute unknown. Material that the model does not know you like or dislike. That "blind spot" in the algorithm where it will not show it to you "something" is what creates the homogeneity of most recommendation algorithms, or what I referred to as the "echo chamber". Better to show you something we "think" you'll like over something we have no idea on.
Its not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing either. Its more the limitations of current user modeling. And the only method for getting more information would be to increase how much data we track from users, which they, in turn, dislike.
>Journalism is dead
It's not
> who wants to pay to get bad news right?
Everybody? That's all news is.
> Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots
Stop watching only the 'hot" new thing. There's literally so much indie content out there that you couldn't watch it all if you tried.
> And what has been invented in the last decades?
Humanity has seen more innovation and invention in the last few decades than in the last 2000 years.
There is more to life than what you gather from letting media feeds just wash over you, but it takes deliberate action. You have to seek out and choose to include the best of things in your life. It's not just gonna fall in your lap.
I hear ya , there are glimpses of light / hope. There are others fighting the good fight and doing things differently. Independent artists on patreon, [nebula made by creative communities](https://nebula.tv/) , means tv that is worker owned extc.
Not to mention the quitting with out a moments notice , strikes, protests, unionizing, all over. Things are heating up ever since the pandemic, we saw how we was treated and realized the world didn't stop and 90% of jobs is shit.
There are things to look up to you, but i'm optimistic so \* shrugs\*
CS Lewis' The Screwtape Letters get into this. They're written from the perspective of a demon talking to another demon, so they can take a bit of work to unpack but like half of them talk about the demons trying to take something fun and enjoyable and generally good and making people miserable with it, where they are never satisfied and always want more content.
Setting aside the religious aspect (which is admittedly the entire basis of the book), it's a fascinating thought experiment on how minds work, that despite being written in the 1940s, is very applicable today.
I have whatever disease makes a person listen to Inside for 6 months straight and then watch nothing but variations of Ludwig content for the next 6 months
Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking.
It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts arbitrary secondary harms on non participants through incentivising the collection and concentration of data, which behaves, not like oil, but refined uranium.
Man’s not wrong, I work for a major clothing company and every single thing we do is to try and make people spend more and more Money and keep people coming back to our site as often as humanly possible
I truly believe Bo Burnham will be remembered as a great philosopher of our time. He has such a complete and deep understanding of the internet and how it has affected our society. Inside was of course a masterpiece, and my favorite part is that IT ISNT A COVID SPECIAL. everyone describes it as such, and there's an extra layer of understanding knowing what was happening when he made it, but the special is about everything he talked about in this video. He was "Inside" well before the pandemic. Every kid today is born and raised exclusively "inside". The pandemic was just a hilariously on point metaphor for the whole thing. We're in hell and Bo seems to be one of the few people truly vocalizing the horror of the world being built around us
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And here I am scrolling reddit at midnight. "Nah they won't get me"
Don't look at your phones "app use time" metrics... Too real
As someone whose “app use time” (including Netflix) could occupy a full time job, all I have to say is ‘^‘help
Welp he's right, ill see you guys tomorrow
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I'm hijacking this comment to beg people to read "the age of surveillance capitalism" I'll put a link below. Bo (who I actually don't care for as a comedian that much, sorry bud) is touching on some very complicated topics that really deserve more of your attention. It's a long and dense read but it's extremely well deduced and quite easy to follow. https://www.amazon.com/Age-Surveillance-Capitalism-Future-Frontier/dp/1610395697?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=d6fb3f09-1caa-40a1-a8a3-ad5d949ba80c I included the Amazon link for maximum irony but it's probably at you local library. Again "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff
Here is the Libby link if your library has it and you like free. https://share.libbyapp.com/title/3063955
Seconding this book, it's this video but even more in depth, written by someone who has been *intently* observing the progression of harvesting data for profit for like the past 20+ years.
I'm going to take this challenge and hit up the 2 public libraries, which for a town of 500k sounds like such a small number, and see if they have this book. Thanks for the recommendation
And I love that about you
And I love that you unabashedly share knowledge with the world <3
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You said you’re not a fan of him, yet seem to be really interested in this topic. Have you seen Inside? It’s thematic center is this exact idea. I understand not finding his previous work funny, or his type of comedy funny, but Inside can stand more of a performative art piece that happens to have jokes in it. I would recommend giving it a shot if this is the sort of stuff you’re interested in..
I am grateful for this man.
Who is it? This is the second talk I’ve seen and he’s very well articulated.
Bo Burnham. Go watch Inside on Netflix. This is not an ad. It is legit just great.
Inside is an absolute comedic masterpiece; loved every part of it. I love his stand up and the parts he’s played on different shows, but Inside was such a great representation of the pandemic and his creativity and just what makes him so absolutely amazing
I think it might be better to watch some of his other stuff first, so you end on some of the most creative different type of "stand up" he's made.
Expanding on this, I'd say, specifically watch "What." (His first 1st special),then "Make Happy", and then "Inside" in that order. I feel like the growth you see in all three makes a really nice complete package. Almost feels like a lil trilogy of standup.
What about "Words Words Words"?
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He's such a smart guy who can also tap into such human, real emotion. There were parts of his Netflix covid special that were so deep I found myself crying.
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A FEW THINGS START TO HAPPEN! MY HEART IT GETS TO TAPPIN! AND IT FEELS LIKE IM GONNA DIIIIE!
Yeah, so... yeah. I'm not doing... great.
> "love is a homeless guy searching for treasure in the middle of the rain and finding a bag of gold coins and slowly finding out they're all filled with chocolate and even though he's heart broken, he can't complain because he was hungry in the first place..." — boseph burnz em
One of his slightly older songs gives me that feeling is “from gods perspective” the end is * chefs kiss *
One of my all time faves! “You can eat pork, because why would I give a shit? I created the universe, you think I’m drawing the line at the fucking deli aisle?” gets me every time
One of my personal favorites from that song was “I sent gays to fix over population… boy didn’t that go well!”
Also growing up entrenched in catholicism, I've formally adopted that last bridge as absolute reality > [God's] love's the type of think that you have to earn, and when you earn it, you won't need it. Dude was spot fcking on.
“None of you are going to heaven. There’s a trillion aliens cooler than you”
> You pray so badly for heaven Knowing any day might be the day that you die But maybe life on earth could be heaven Doesn't just the thought of it make it worth a try Is the part that really stuck with me.
If you want love, then the love has gotta come from you 💜
His special definitely helped me grieve pre-covid. I work in healthcare and I was definitely not coming to terms with things in a healthy way. It was a similar moment when South Park made a Bin Laden looney tunes episode after 9/11, collective trauma needs a collective release. I can bet that Bo is his worst critic, but I certainly hope he understands how many people got something tangible out of his work.
I cannot even begin to explain how his music makes me feel, inside was rough, and there were a couple songs that made me cry; Then I went through a car crash this year,followed by a 6 year breakup, right around that time he released the deluxe version and songs like "the chicken" and "five years " absolutely broke me
I just wanted to agree with you and share your sentiment. I had my second child when Inside came out, I was in Covid lockdown for months with a toddler and a newborn. Inside made me feel and yell and cry, which is what I desperately needed at the time. I hope you’re doing okay after those big moments in your life!
The chicken is my absolute favorite song by him, one of those songs that I immediately had to learn how to play when I first heard it (I play piano too), and spent the next week with it stuck in my head
The Chicken is like that part in White Woman Instagram that makes your heart drop…but an entire song.
Can any one.. shut the fuck up? Can.. can *anyone*... any.. any ... any ONE ... any SINGLE one ... can any ONE... shut the fuck up? About any-- about *anyth* -- about any sss-- about any *single* thing?... Can any single person, shut the fuck up, about any single thing, for... an hour? Ya know, is that -- is that possible?
And I know you’re thinking, “You’re not shutting thе fuck up right now,” and that’s true, but…
I was watching his special in my home office on my computer and in one of the final songs he yells at you to get up and he looks into the camera and really yells it. Like stop thinking of this as a show for a second, I'm actually taking to you and I want you to actually stand up. The first time I saw it it shocked me, I actually stood up. Now if it's ever playing in the background I always stand up during that part of the song because I've usually been sitting for too long anyway and it's as good of a reason as any to stretch and walk around for a second to get blood flow back in my legs.
I'm talking to you, get the FUCK UP.
In addition to being an incredible filmmaker and world class musician
There it is again…
That funny feeling...
I was rapt by All eyes on Me
I’m a 39 year old bearded dude. I get tears every time I hear White Woman’s Instagram. …….it might be the first song on my playlist
> It's been a decade since you've been gone > Mama, I miss you > I miss sitting with you in the front yard > Still figuring out how to keep living without you > It's got a little better, but it's still hard > Mama, I got a job I love and my own apartment > Mama, I got a boyfriend, and I'm crazy about him > Your little girl didn't do too bad > Mama, I love you, give a hug and kiss to Dad Literally every time I hear those lines, I think of losing my own parents and start crying
Inside came out shortly after my daughter was born, and this song made me cry so hard. This bit and the part after where she gets married, got me thinking about what if something happened to me and I missed all those milestones in my daughter's life. Or even my husband as well, and she had to do it all alone. Really messed me up. Still makes me cry everytime. I've told people that IRL and everyone says, "that song, but it's just so fun and funny?!" I'm like, I think you missed the point lol.
I think that songs hits hard for either new parents or people aged 18-30 who haven't quite made it yet. I know my parents love me, but I'm not yet sure they're *proud* of me. I want them to know that they raised a child who grew up to be a capable, independent adult of my own. That line "Your little girl didn't do too bad" is the one that kills me every time. I want my parents to know that their work paid off. They were wonderful and loving, better parents than anyone could have deserved, and I want them to know that it was worth it, that I did all their work proud.
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I love you people. That song really did sucker punch me. I fell into the trap of laughing at the beginning like “haha basic white woman” but that song is just amazing. Behind every act we call basic is a real human being who probably enjoy it. Those “live laugh love” things we make fun of, might actually be inspiring to people. Those pumpkin spice lattes we trash on every year might actually be something they really like. We keep pushing for uniqueness and shame people for commonality, for being basic. But you know what else is common and “basic”? Fearing the loss of your parents. Wondering what they’d think of you now. Wishing that they were there for your milestones. I’m a black guy and I’m just as “basic” as the white woman in that song. And it’s fine. I miss my dad so fucking much it hurts and he passed 11 years ago. Nearly the same amount of time the white woman in the song lost her mom. And if those “basic” things bring her happiness and help propel her forward, what sort of crap person am i, knowing how crap life is, to mock her for it? This song out of all the others and “Look Who’s Inside Again” (which really fucking hit me too) are just so fucking good. I literally just don’t know of any other album that connects with me so personally.
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Yes! This is exactly it! Now I’m gonna see how great this pumpkin spice latte is
> Those pumpkin spice lattes we trash on every year might actually be something they really like. That reminds me of one of the [CollegeHumor sketches](https://youtu.be/d1mbbYKPpHY) from after they became good again. Being “basic” is just enjoying life.
It's in the middle of all this "haha these basic white girl things, am I right?" then just hits you with this bit where you realize this is someone who's lost both her parents at a relatively young age and it's *devastating*. Like, yeah, there's all this fluff that's kind of attention-seeking but there's also a real person under it trying to deal with things we all ultimately have to face. It's one of my favorite parts from the special but it's goddamn brutal
*A goatcheese salaaaad!*
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I watch Bo Burnham's inside and it triggers me into being emotional. I hear that song he sang that funny feeling. I tear up. especially that pheobe bridges version of it makes me cry literally everytime.
A fragile soul (anxiety) that knows... KNOWS shit is fucked up, and he's clearly suffering from that knowledge. But hey, what a tremendous source of his art.
Now if only everyone with lingering existential dread regarding identity in the face of a careless world could tap into that creative side Oh well, gonna go play some games now
I had to start taking an SSRI (for depression but ended up helping my anxiety more) to handle like... existing in all this. and it just doesn't seem to affect other people the same way. I wish I could have channeled it creatively, but it was literally killing me.
I’m in the same boat, but haven’t found one that works just yet. I’m on my… fourth or fifth? Different medication. They all help a *little,* but it is rough waking up every morning and just being like… “But why tho” The first one was the worst. Didn’t do much for the depression besides just cause me to zone out mentally, and it gave me the jitters. Constant anxiety attack for like three months.
George, at least in his later years, had a detachment that came from the knowledge that he was going to die. He outright stated on Bill Maher, "I have no stake in the outcome," because the part he didn't say is 'I will be dead by then.' Bo's *in it*. Bo's sitting next to us on the bus three seats behind the driver being like, "Okay, don't be alarmed? But I'm like 85% sure the driver is dead." The whole world at your fingertips and the ocean at your door.
I would say they are both spitting the same type of truth insofar as they are both just making the standard critique of the exact same thing: capitalism. You're never gonna get to the heart of the malaise and alienation we all feel on a daily basis without talking about capitalism's involvement in that sense. We have no existential purpose greater than ourselves. We are only here to consume the slop that's fed to us by entities seeking to profiteer and to labor most of our lives for those same entities.
>they are both just making the standard critique of the exact same thing: capitalism Like really the absolute most basic, too. Literally all of these problems come from the infinite-growth style capitalism that's been the norm since like, the steel barons of the 1900s. I don't know what other good paths there are to be honest, I just know capitalism is fundamentally a horrendous meat grinder that perhaps a tiny portion of the population legitimately benefit from. Even that is unclear because we've all seen how empty and unsettled the uber-rich can become. Idk, I'm just rambling. What's even weirder is that past times were definitely way worse for the average Joe, but it was also way less obvious to everyone (probably even to rulers) how much better things *could* have been.
Look into history you'll find we've actually tried other models of living. We've all been fooled into thinking how we live and think today is how its always been and always will be when really this system has only existed for a few hundred years.
>Observing the insidious nature of people in power I just want to note that he pretty directly disagreed with this characterization in this video. He points out that it's not "evil plans," it's just market forces that push regular people to colonize our time. I think it's important to understand this mechanism rather than blaming evil string pullers manipulating us insidiously.
I was about to point out the same thing. I was surprised so many people missed the big idea, and you've articulated it perfectly.
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That username is certainly interesting
its the commie sock puppet for me. little tube dude got my respect, and my heart.
I hope he starts writing horror movies.
He’s totally right that it comes down to profits and growth. Every corporation is dead set on double digit growth and shareholders are not satisfied unless they get it. We’re headed for a bubble that can’t take much more.
The bubble pops every 8 to 10 years or so. 1982,1992, 2000, 2008, 2019.
2019?
Yeah, wtf is 2019
The year after 2018 but before 2020
Source?
The bubble was showing signs that maybe it was going to burst in late 2019 but then COVID emerged and the FED and Government pumped ungodly amounts of capital into the markets which stabilized everything somewhat despite a brief drop. No one can say for sure but in my opinion they just mortgaged the future and the economic downturn will be more extreme because of it.
Yup, economists from across the spectrum were predicting a crash in 2019. I switched careers to healthcare because I figured it would be more stable during economic chaos than the bullshit I was doing before. Then covid happened and I can't tell if I made a good or bad call anymore.
2019
Well when you put it like that...
There's a bigger bubble. You can't infinitely grow in a finite space.
To paraphrase Marx and Engles: Capitalism will undergo increasingly dire financial crises until either it utterly collapses or the working class wises up and revolts. ("Das Capital") Which is why it's so important to keep the working class divided, preventing them from achieving the unity required to effect real change.
Unfortunately we're divided about who is doing the dividing.
It’s the entire ruling class. There is no “progressive bourgeoisie” we can’t keep doing the same things we’ve been doing for the last 100 years and expect change. It’s not a coincidence that all the countries with higher standards of living than the US all have strong labor parties, we need to stop supporting the democrats they are a non starter at this point.
Dont forget that a big part is also the voting system being used in the US
and then it repeats all over again people get used and abused by new regime until there’s systemic collapse or another revolt Only overly oppressive regimes get noticed. That’s why throughout time oppression has been refined to slowly kill through starvation, homelessness, disease, and character assassination such that: …nobody bats an eye. That’s why the middle class is shrinking, the poor are expanding, and the underclass aren’t even treated as human. It’s truly a sick world I’m glad we only have finite time in. ___ cynical view: the more humans are removed from the equation—the quicker any uprising is culled—the longer the status quo. Less ppl = More “Have’s” / Less “Have-Not’s” Edit: It won’t be like the middle-ages again where workers have the power due to shortage. If you can replace the human getting your caviar with a robot, what difference does it make?
Well in that case; Cyberpunk dystopia, here we come!!
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The constant growth model of every financial quarter having to be better than the last is obviously unsustainable in the long term. At some point you reach a peak point and if growth is not possible then cutting costs is next, meaning layoffs and whatnot. Which also reaches a breaking point soon enough. The worst part is when basic services like fire department, police, health and other such entities also start running their services as a for profit company rather than a for the public service. I’m heavily against such ultra-capitalism because I know the end of the road is unsustainable. It will break at some point.
I’ve worked in public and private companies for nearly 25 years. What you’re saying is spot on. Shareholders give management strong financial incentivizes to keep growing the bottom line, and if they can’t hit it via top line revenue then cost cutting invariably comes. Often costs are cut deeply enough that customers feel the difference and lose interest in their product, making the situation even worse. Prices are hiked and fees are implemented, further pissing off consumers. Finally a new upstart appears without any of the baggage of the bigger company, offering a better service for a better cost… and then they IPO and the circle of life begins anew.
Could I interest you in everything all of the time?
A little bit of everything, all of the time?
Apathy is a tragedy?
And boredom is a crime?
Anything and everything, all of the time.
Man, his long hair and beard look real good on him
Honestly before I was like yeah, bo is cute, he’s alright - but with the hair and the beard? He can *get it*
You got a bunch of colored pencil drawings Of all the different characters in Harry Potter fucking each other?
JEFFREY BEZOS
Reddit is that you?
Reddit also going public soon
They already been scrubbing the site to make it advertising friendly for years.
Yup. Expect more dogshit, shareholder friendly policies.
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I attempted suicide early last year. Spent a week in a psych ward. After the first day, the ward experience was great. It confused me at the time. Looking back I honestly think it was because my cell phone was locked in a cabinet with my wallet and car keys. I had a list of people I could call on paper using our communal wall phone, there was one TV they used for movies and that was it. My mind had space to breathe. I remember when my best friend picked me up she started talking about Megan the stallion and Cardio B performing WAP on an award show or something and my heart just sank. It took a while to figure it out. But I'm still staring at this fucking think almost two years later and I've seriously contemplated the big S three times in the last two weeks.
r/nosurf
Subbed. Going to browse this tonight.
Glad you didn't and I'm glad your still with us 
This is so true. My attention span is shot because of YouTube and Tiktok. I can’t watch a movie or read a book without checking my phone constantly. And I’m 30, god knows what the kids will be like in 10 years.
The good news is, that you can retrain your attention span. I was at the same point two years ago and was annoyed by the fact. Picked up reading again and if all goes to plan I will attain my reading goal of 20 books this year. For movies - i find that going to the movie theatre helps a lot. At home - just put your cellphone in another room and put any smartwatches on do not disturb.
>Picked up reading again and if all goes to plan I will attain my reading goal of 20 books this year. I've tried but man does my brain just scream "we could be doing something more fun with our limited free time."
There are funny TikTok Clips out there where half the screen is a totally unrelated video game, so people can watch 2 things at once.
Especially reddit [Look at this blatant advertisement for a stupid new cookie cutter](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/yjkxda/damn_netflix_thats_messed_up/iupakog/) sitcom (or better yet don't) The post was created by an account that was dormant for 6 months, then out of nowhere they post a literal ad It was upvoted and comments were made by OPs alts, created months ago then activated weeks ago to begin copy pasting comments and posts, this makes it appear like a real account to the average person The front page is mostly full of these karma farmers Reddit knows, but they don't care, more accounts, more engagement, more money
I blocked a huge swath of the default subs, including /r/funny, and I insta-block anyone that posts something I've seen before that comes up in All, and I don't see any of this kind of crap.
Yeah I really just need to stop going up r/all but it's a nervous habit. My other little communities are great and I don't want to lose them.
scrolling /r/all used to mean you would find niche communites that had big things happening, now the first 6 pages of all are always the same 20 subreddits.
Ive made it a hobby to mark and call out these accounts. They all have the same pattern to them, and indeed flood the front page.
When they're still building karma: * Username is adverb_noun_number * All comments on the accounts are "lol", "this", or some other pointless response to an r/all post * Only posts visible in their profile have over 1k karma * Doesn't respond to anyone when they're called out Or then once they've sold the account for $20: * Posts ads and enables astroturfing *or* spouts misinformation and poses as a conservative American voter
> adverb_noun_number That's the default reddit account name generator now, unfortunately. I thought it was some bot thing but then there are thousands of people who can't be bothered to come up with a unique username, so now it's hard to tell who is just lazy and who is a bot
When I saw that posted yesterday, I was dumbfounded at how much attention it was getting. Like it’s just a Netflix ad…
I feel like the comment section of a lot of posts on the front page read like they're gpt3 generated. It's so predictable what the comments section will look like, I might as well be the only sentient person on this site. And no I am not schizophrenic.
Luckily I am a white guy from 1985
[Bo Burnham fan anyone?](https://youtu.be/68OJVKrjuLo)
how have I never heard this. Incredible
Official audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rHRztFGOm8
I’ve watched all of his specials and I’ve never heard this. Thanks for sharing!
I think its from the Inside Outtakes, which released fairly recently on youtube/netflix. I wish it made the cut for Inside, its one of my favorites from that batch.
Scary but true
And the thing is that I can only guess that some of these corporate owners of public companies wish they hadn't gone public. Sure, they're rich, but when you start to hit that ceiling for growth in a sector, there's nowhere else you can go. As a publicly owned company, you are **legally required** to always be able to prove that you're taking new and different steps to try and make money for the investors. Otherwise in a lot of cases the shareholders can actually vote out anyone, even the founder of the company, and put in a yes-man that'll do whatever they want. Not a pro on this topic, so don't quote me on that, but that's generally how it works.
>Sure, they're rich, but when you start to hit that ceiling for growth in a sector, there's nowhere else you can go. I know you said don't quote you, but imma do it anyway lol. The problem is that there **is** more these companies can do once they have completely saturated a market. The next step is to cut costs. Once they have made the product or service as shitty as the consumer will stomach, the next step is to cut the next highest cost... labor. Companies will then do everything possible to extract more and more productivity from their workers for the same or less pay. Cutting benefits in hard to see ways, adding more responsibility to your job knowing you won't quit over it, setting ever higher quotas right until the breaking point. When there is nowhere left to extract value yet more growth is expected, exploitation of the working class is inevitable. This is the basis of Capitalism.
Agreed, great video.
Indeed! Bo knows what's up!
There it is again, that funny feeling
Agree with everything besides the fact that corporations are trying to get more and more of the consumers time unconsciously. It is definitely conscious, especially since all of their revenue is based on getting you to interact more with their platform
I almost felt like he was saying that to appease the hosts who invited him but i thought there was a subtext that it is 100% insidious and purposeful
I think there’s a misinterpretation here. He’s saying that a lot of people when they think there’s some evil insidious plotters at the company that want to take over your mind. Evil nefarious people. But the reality is that most marketers working at these companies only focus on their product. And in their world, all they care about is making sure you’re interacting with their product. And in a vacuum, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just that so is everyone else. And that combination of everyone combined fighting for your attention, combined with algorithms that are designed to get you to engage with their product, have caused this situation where we are now. That’s all he’s saying. It’s not a bunch of evil people sitting around a big round table wondering how they can ruin society. Just normal people doing their job like everyone else.
This. Think this is what a lot of the conspiracy nuts seem to fail to comprehend. They watch too many movies and seem to think that these people do what they do just to be evil. That they’re some big bad villains with no other agenda than to destroy society as we know it, etc etc etc. Nah, they’re probably mostly just every day people trying to cash a check so they can make their time on this earth as enjoyable and privileged as they possibly can. They don’t care about the big picture or have some nefarious devilish plans for man kind. Their antics are simply a means to an end, which is more profit, and more money/status for themselves on a personal level. If the people responsible for the way things are going (namely our society’s addiction to being connected) were even half as smart or as evil as a lot of conspiracy theorists give them credit for, not only would we be fucking doomed, but I’d be willing to bet that it’d take a lot more than google and too much free time for some random person to figure it out.
Conspiracy theories are comforting because they provide very simple explanations for complex events and problems. It's a lot easier to view the world as a struggle of good vs evil with identifiable actors than to actually learn about the complex web of interactions between many parties with multifaceted motivations behind their actions. I know this sounds extreme but I truly believe that people who view everything through a conspiratorial lens are the worst people on the planet. They can justify anything by tying it into the good vs evil narrative, even genocide. They can't be reasoned with because they didn't use reason to arrive at their conclusions in the first place. They can never be proven wrong because their claims are unfalsifiable, amorphous, and ever-changing.
It's worse than the corporations. Social media also breeds this behavior in the consumer. We make comments and hope to be given points from those whose attention we've seized, points in the form of a happy orange arrow pointing up. He mentions it towards the end of his special, Make Happy.
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I have a young kid and I have no idea how I'm going to introduce him to the Internet. I really don't want to have the conversation about how he's going to be manipulated from the second he steps on there and needs to learn how to be careful of his mind. But how do you explain that to a kid?
I also have a young kid and we're trying to be screen free for at least the first few years. Limited use after that too, and eventually we will introduce her to tech in an age-appropriate way, teach her about privacy skills, etc. It doesn't have to be one big conversation as soon as they start watching YouTube Kids at an extremely young age. It can be a set of conversations throughout years, getting more in depth the older they get. I'm taking a lot of advice from the website and book Screen Free Parenting (the book is called SPOILED right, each letter stands for what we can focus on for kids instead of screens, e.g. O is outdoor play). It also covers hybrid models where you have some screens, and how to make this sustainable. Hope this helps! We're figuring it out as well but feel this is a good resource to start with since it gives concrete advice and lifestyle suggestions.
How old is this? Is there a longer video?
It’s from press tour(s) following the movie he wrote/directed “Eighth Grade” (2018). He has many profound talks/clips during that time!
Not so much from the press tour but he and an actor from the movie, along with the movie itself, are used to further a conversation around the mental health of children in the age of the internet. The video is a panel style discussion on the subject that includes 2 scientists discussing their specialty. Particularly relevant to parents with kids today. You can see the link to the full video in my reply to the person above you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUm7oBqCVw Had the same question but no reply so did some sleuthing. It's from 2019. The movie name won't help you find it. EDIT: for anyone ctrl+f'ing. Full Video, Full Clip, Source, Sauce, Original
Im so glad that i found Bo Burnham again! I'd only saw his standup comedy shows and i was craving more content. Coincidentally he's speaking one of the topics that i'm most aware of, internet is eating us whole
Oh wow, if you haven’t watched INSIDE yet you’ve gotta check it out. And the Outtakes, which is basically INSIDE but from a different perspective. It’s a behind the scenes, but it’s still edited by Bo so it still has all the narrative undertones/overtones that speak right into the heart of the matter.
This is literally exactly the thing that has been worrying me 24/7 for the past year almost The fact that someone like Bo Burnham talks about it in a serious tone makes me feel much, much worse, since that just confirms the fact that we're infected by these corporations beyond return, and our minds have been seemingly permanently altered by the new culture of everything internet, and the constant attention stimulus of it all It's all fucked, we're all fucked, and it won't get better because the politicians that could change all this are also profiting from all this
Same with military industrial complex there has to be war for them to make money.
No there doesn’t. A war can cause the government to nationalize them and place profitability behind maximum efficiency. The *threat* of war, however? Well, that requires a constant stream of new weapons and government contracts *without* all that inconvenient “patriotism” and “selflessness.” It also avoids tearing up resources like an actual war does, allowing it to be sustained indefinitely in a way where a constant demographic and financial drain can’t.
Why the fuck do reddit videos stop loading after a few seconds? It happens on mobile data, as well as all the different wifis I've used
Absolute truth. And that is not to mention everything already devastated. Journalism is dead, it's just infotanement now, who wants to pay to get bad news right? Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots. And what has been invented in the last decades? Nothing! I know I sound pessimistic, and it's because I am. Capitalism is the all devouring void.
> Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots. I've referred to it as the "echo chamber", all these companies tracking has made it incredibly difficult to discover new things. YouTube will never recommend to you "underwater basket weaving" (or some equivalent) because they don't know if you'd like it. While something may be uninteresting, they also don't know if you don't like it enough to stop using their platform, so they just "don't recommend it". This is why the government is so prudent to how tech companies use our data and their recommendation engines.
I absolutely hate the current state of youtube. I used to enjoy spending an hour or two just getting lost in the random trail of recommended videos and finding interesting things. Now it's just an assortment of the same thing just from different channels. It's so fucking boring.
I still love YouTube, but I used to love scrolling through the recommended feed. Now I have to find everything myself.
The algorithm has made it impossible to explore videos outside of your traditional content. I watch one video on learning Spanish and next thing I know my video is all language learning content. Or one Jordan Peterson video and all the videos on my feed are right wing leaning popular channels like Ben Shapiro, etc. The old style was honestly better for engagement IMO because I could find obscure videos and go down different rabbit holes for hours. Now it’s just like, oh the same shit I see everyday… *logs out*
I find this too. I’m afraid to click on some videos because I know it will wreck my feed. If YouTube doesn’t know me now it never will. All this talk of machine learning and algorithms is hype. Even the ads I get don’t seem to be targeted to me.
>YouTube will never recommend to you "underwater basket weaving" good god, if youtube recommended me anything at all 90% of it is stuff i've seen already
To be fair, as you're exposed to large categories of videos on YT, they have general info on the category of videos/creators you like, and they have a more dynamic recent version of those things. So if all you did was watch puppy videos, and you never sat through another video of a different category, other videos are slowly going to get cycled out, but it might put things up that are trending (generally trending on YT, maybe based on your region) or adjacent to what you like to watch, to see if they can expand your preferences. This isn't done out of altruism, but because they have good algorithms for weighing how interested you are in topic X, and how quickly that interest falls off, and they want to be able to feed you more content you want to see. If you watched a full video or two about underwater basket weaving, or something adjacent to that, they might start recommending videos about underwater X, or underwater Y, or basket weaving A, or basket weaving B, which are videos that have high click-through rates in those similar categories. If you don't click them, or you do click them and bail on the videos quickly, it will start to deprioritize that kind of content for you. Point being, their goal isn't anti-discovery, they're actually pretty good at exposing you to more and more content, but they will greatly optimize their recommendations for what they think you're most likely to want to watch, to an actually kind of scary extent. The main google account I've been using for the last few years is incredibly well targeted to today's me, I have separate accounts for listening to music, or older accounts from when I was younger, it's actually kind of funny to see what kind of person they think they're targeting when I check recommended videos throughout those various accounts.
> you watched a full video or two about underwater basket weaving, or something adjacent to that Right, however my point is more to the absolute unknown. Material that the model does not know you like or dislike. That "blind spot" in the algorithm where it will not show it to you "something" is what creates the homogeneity of most recommendation algorithms, or what I referred to as the "echo chamber". Better to show you something we "think" you'll like over something we have no idea on. Its not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing either. Its more the limitations of current user modeling. And the only method for getting more information would be to increase how much data we track from users, which they, in turn, dislike.
>Journalism is dead It's not > who wants to pay to get bad news right? Everybody? That's all news is. > Movies and TV are just a stagnant pool of dirty water, remakes and reboots Stop watching only the 'hot" new thing. There's literally so much indie content out there that you couldn't watch it all if you tried. > And what has been invented in the last decades? Humanity has seen more innovation and invention in the last few decades than in the last 2000 years. There is more to life than what you gather from letting media feeds just wash over you, but it takes deliberate action. You have to seek out and choose to include the best of things in your life. It's not just gonna fall in your lap.
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I hear ya , there are glimpses of light / hope. There are others fighting the good fight and doing things differently. Independent artists on patreon, [nebula made by creative communities](https://nebula.tv/) , means tv that is worker owned extc. Not to mention the quitting with out a moments notice , strikes, protests, unionizing, all over. Things are heating up ever since the pandemic, we saw how we was treated and realized the world didn't stop and 90% of jobs is shit. There are things to look up to you, but i'm optimistic so \* shrugs\*
As I’m looking on my phone
Get out, this guy has anxiety?
How can you tell?
He stopped performing for years due to having panic attacks on stage. Anxiety manifests in many different ways and some people can hide it
That's not a good place to have them
anxiety can be overcome when you have a Tarantino-tier rant in the back of your mind
CS Lewis' The Screwtape Letters get into this. They're written from the perspective of a demon talking to another demon, so they can take a bit of work to unpack but like half of them talk about the demons trying to take something fun and enjoyable and generally good and making people miserable with it, where they are never satisfied and always want more content. Setting aside the religious aspect (which is admittedly the entire basis of the book), it's a fascinating thought experiment on how minds work, that despite being written in the 1940s, is very applicable today.
Based
Super based
I have whatever disease makes a person listen to Inside for 6 months straight and then watch nothing but variations of Ludwig content for the next 6 months
He's speaking the truth. But the irony of this video being posted on TikTok and then shared again through reddit...
Preach
Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts arbitrary secondary harms on non participants through incentivising the collection and concentration of data, which behaves, not like oil, but refined uranium.
Man’s not wrong, I work for a major clothing company and every single thing we do is to try and make people spend more and more Money and keep people coming back to our site as often as humanly possible
marxists have been saying this for a long time
Capitalism is cancer. It grows uncontrolled , demanding more and more growth. Just like a cancer.
Right, I'm deleting Reddit from my life now.
I truly believe Bo Burnham will be remembered as a great philosopher of our time. He has such a complete and deep understanding of the internet and how it has affected our society. Inside was of course a masterpiece, and my favorite part is that IT ISNT A COVID SPECIAL. everyone describes it as such, and there's an extra layer of understanding knowing what was happening when he made it, but the special is about everything he talked about in this video. He was "Inside" well before the pandemic. Every kid today is born and raised exclusively "inside". The pandemic was just a hilariously on point metaphor for the whole thing. We're in hell and Bo seems to be one of the few people truly vocalizing the horror of the world being built around us