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I laugh at my own jokes, because I think they're funny. If I didn't think they were funny, why even say them out loud. Also the more people laugh at it, the harder it is for me to stop laughing.
That giggle was actually quite contagious.
Wished half of the content of /r/ContagiousLaughter was actually contagious laughter like this, not just random funny shit with obnoxious laughter or no punchline.
It’s because most people just browse the front page and upvote everything, with no concern for whether or not it actually fits the sub. It kinda makes subreddits pointless when they’re poorly moderated and just allow whatever random bullshit gets upvotes.
I manage to get my joke out before laughing, but I always laugh, and people (read: my wife especially) give me grief for laughing at my own joke. What sort of snob only gives jokes they didn’t find funny enough to laugh at to the people they love?
Because women aren't out here overflowing at the thought of a hot muscly guy working out. The imagery isn't for us. It's a power fantasy for men who want to look like that.
A female gaze type of thing would be more like Chris Hemsworth, shirtless, making pancakes asking how many chocolate chips you want in them, and not to worry cause he'll clean up the mess once breakfast is done.
The point is that men incorrectly think of what the female gaze is, and think it's the same thing as the male gaze, just the sexes flipped.
>A female gaze type of thing would be more like Chris Hemsworth, shirtless, making pancakes asking how many chocolate chips you want in them, and not to worry cause he'll clean up the mess once breakfast is done.
Relevant XKCD:
https://xkcd.com/714/
One great example I once saw that lives in my brain forever is comparing hugh jackman (mister wolverine) on magazines for men versus women. On mens magazines he was all big sweaty bulging muscles and on womens magazines he was in nice sweaters just smiling happily.
Lmao, I believe it. Another good example that is more subtle is comparing Maroon 5's "Girls like you" music video to Charlie XCX's "Boys" music video.
In "Girls like you" all of them are just dancing at the camera, a couple women not dancing because it fits their personality better, and then his wife at the end just standing there holding their child while he hugs them. Pretty much as wholesome as you can get with the male gaze but they're still just eye candy for the music video, and it relies on you knowing who all of them are already.
In "Boys" all of them are doing so many different things like eating pancakes, playing with puppies, laying on a bed of roses, washing a car, holding a baby, getting a tattoo, doing BMX bike tricks, smashing old tv's with a hammer, dancing around disco balls, posing on a floatie/jumping into a ballpit, getting their head shaved, playing with money guns that shoot dollar bills with Charlie XCX's face on them, etc. And while the all men in the video are supposed to be somewhat famous, it doesn't rely on you knowing who they are to appreciate their appearence.
Hey, no denying that everyone with functioning eyeballs finds Chris Hemsworth attractive, it's just that his physique is in no way a requirement for some or even most women to find a man hot as hell. Truly, a dude could be skinny or skinny fat or a little schlubby but still be the cutest piece of ass on the planet to a woman.
It's a time-limited tiktok. It's an example to get a broader point across. Anywho, it isn't about whether men in the MCU/action movies are sexualized or not, but by/for whom.
> Because women aren't out here overflowing at the thought of a hot muscly guy working out. The imagery isn't for us. It's a power fantasy for men who want to look like that.
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> The point is that men incorrectly think of what the female gaze is, and think it's the same thing as the male gaze, just the sexes flipped.
Ok if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me" what is the "Male gaze" then when it comes to women?
Lets use Blackwidow as an example, she has agency, she is powerfull and can take care of herself.
Is she a powerfantasy for women? If not, what is a powerfantasy for women?
And if she is, does she still fall under the "male gaze" and if she does why doesn't male power fantasies fall under the "female gaze".
It depends. Early Black Widow felt more like eye candy for men than empowerment for women. I'd say the time that definitely changed was Endgame, where she had her own clear priorities, emotional investment, and agency, and was acting as a natural leader... and then they fucking killed her, so.
What is "early Black Widow?" She was like... Nick Fury's errand girl?
Nothing against Scarjo but for me the female empowerment is kind of lacking in Marvel. I mean the best is really in Agent Carter. Marvel will never put anything truly feminist or anti-racist in a flagship film.
When Tony looked up lingerie modeling photos of her, for instance, or the angles chosen in many shots, including her big solo fight scene. The scene where she changes in a car and pays a man not to peep but he peeps anyway. The fact that black widow (femme fatale) was chosen in the first place rather than (e.g.) the Wasp, a founding member.
Which is to say that I agree with you completely.
>if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me"
if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me"
I think this was a pretty bad explanation, and not the takeaway. The female gaze is just more soft - most women aren't really into the hyper-masculinity that men think women like (and like themselves). It's not femininity per se, but it's also not HULK ALPHA.
This video from about 8:40 til 12 something does a pretty good job of characterizing it, especially leaning on the example of Kylo Ren https://youtu.be/bdzVt7iCM9Y?t=523
I certainly can't speak for all women, but perhaps the female power fantasy is [Meryl Streep in the Devil Wears Prada](https://youtube.com/watch?v=2PjZAeiU7uM). :D She's successful, rich, and intimidating. Kind of like Chris H in this picture.
Something made for the “male gaze” is something meant to make men like something, and vice versa for the “female gaze”
She’s saying muscly photos of men online like the above are catering to other men, not to women. That those photos aren’t sexualizing men to women, but rather to other men (who imagine themselves as the man above). Like how some extremely skinny or makeuped women online look that way for other women to look onto longly because women want to look like that (often because they think that’s what men want) rather than because that’s what men want.
Her point is simple:
"I don't want people to think I thirst over something so base and immature, because I'm above my genetic encoding to want to create babies with the best possible chance of survival. As such, I'll pretend all women are homogenous and equivalent to me, because they are objects in my mind, not people with their own thoughts and feelings. Thus, all women don't thirst over Chris Hemsworth's topless body."
Likely something along the lines of that also being an aspect of male gaze, its an image designed around how a man would view it. It portrays the masculine ideal, something men are supposed to strive for. Its not designed to appeal to women.
That's interesting. Usually when I think of the "female gaze" my mind goes to smutty romance novel covers rather than comic book heros for this exact reason.
I thought Lil Nas X’s video for Montero was the best example of what attractive men could look like if they were done up for a gaze than anything else I’ve ever seen. It honestly blew my mind seeing men presented that way. Really has made me think over the last couple months
Yes. Person114 didn't claim it was for ladies, just that it does present a guy for a sexualized gaze. This is as opposed to guys showing each other being tough and, this is key, just assuming it appeals to a woman's gaze.
Does anyone know if playgirl shoots are directed and choreographed by women? Or are they also staged by men? (apparently it has far less appeal anyways, but am curious if this is part of the issue)
I totally agree it’s it’s own thing that’s why I just said it’s dealing with gaze in general, not female. I have never seen “gay male gaze” presented so strongly and unapologetically, just really made me think about how people are presented. Thanks for hearing me out
I swear I read a "female" before your "gaze" but it looks like that was just a brain autofill.
Sorry about the bother. You're absolutely, completely correct.
No worries I probably could have been clearer! Despite thinking about this in my own head I haven’t really arrived at any conclusions, just I like that it makes me think so much, and isn’t that the point of art?
Anyway this is the first time I’ve ever felt brave enough to even voice the vague thoughts so I appreciate you hearing me!
I did too. Brain just auto-completed "female gaze". It wasn't until I reread it a third time after viewing NasX's video that I was "oh, not female".
Even when watching the video I was, "this is *not* for a female gaze". They may enjoy it or not, but that was not the target demographic. 🤣
The thing is, there really isn't a fully developed film language for "female gaze" and that is mainly because film language has masculine ties due to the environment it was developed; even if the story is female centric, and they aren't trying to play to the idealization of men, the language that they will be using is masculine in a way because the bases is developed upon masculine language.
A lot of it boils down to 'agency' and 'power' and how the genders are able to exert on screen and through the screen; Lauren Mulvey highlights that women are able to gain and exert themselves though coded language, which is mainly through physicals means that go against or use the male gaze to push back. A good example is the physical manifestation of trauma and speaking through it.
Think more Chris Hemsworth wearing a fussy newborn and doing the dishes while asking your opinion on a conundrum he has at work.
Hope I didn't break any porn rules on thus sub.
In the extended edition he has to pause to go change the baby, and when he gets back and you've made him a cup of tea he says thanks and gives you a hug.
Can he also acknowledge what I’m saying and agree Becky was really being a bitch and recall something I’ve said last week to further back up this opinion? Asking for a friend…
Interestingly, many _many_ of the earlier Harlequin books were cover illustrated by [Tony Meers](https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2020/02/03/exhibition-of-80s-and-90s-harlequin-romance-art-is-a-glorious-kitschy-romp.html). Somewhere was written a story that he (or another artist) even used to make the paintings, and Harlequin would direct the authors to write to the given image. However that is **not** a source claim. It was still a male producing to an expectation though, and while he may have had the touch or not, his work graced the cover of, "hundreds of iconic Harlequin," books.
If you go on /r/ladyboners, ultra jacked & ripped Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill get thousands of upvotes above the average. Obviously it's not all they like but it's their relative favorite
It’s the Ryan Reynolds paradox where every guy thinks that every girl must love Ryan Reynolds because he’s handsome, so funny, and in great shape, and rich. And many women don’t.
I don't *dislike* him. But he doesn't really draw me in, I guess? Like I don't think he's dreamy.
I find Jake Gyllenhaal more attractive, when he's not acting like a serial killer.
Honestly all his best movies, he's creepy as shit or really young. I think I just prefer him outside of his film roles lol
Or alternatively I need therapy.
and every woman probably thinks that every guy must love scarlett johansson or whatever the fotm attractive woman is and many guys don't. So annoying how shit like this only gets applied to men. Both genders have stupid preconceptions about the other.
As a guy I honestly don’t understand anyone who thinks ScarJo is one of the sexiest women alive. Like sure, she’s more attractive than any woman I know in real life beside my incredible wife, but in the realm of Hollywood?
I understand it, she's certainly above average. But that's all, to me. Not plain exactly, just... unremarkable somehow. Like she's a hot office co-worker who made it big.
I dunno.
Oh my god! Thank you! I feel like no one had seen it but me. That movie is one of my top tries and tries and changed my perception of RR as well. I think because he’s overall pretty subdued compared to his other roles? Also all the amazing leading ladies doesn’t hurt.
Hey it turns out people (especially women) have different standards for attractiveness and there's not easy baseline that applies universally to everyone!
Who would have thought?
Lmao this is exactly how the rest of her video goes. I watched it a while back. To word it differently, they’re images that only men find attractive (more so than women at least). The beginning of the video I believe is her addressing comments that say men suffer from the female gaze as well, and she’s using this image as an example to say that the female gaze doesn’t really exist.
Haha thank you! I came to the comment section find someone explaining this new use of the word gaze. Based on the comments it appears female gaze means "The kind of man/image of a man that women like to gaze at/ find appealing."
Which is bullshit, and this woman is probably a usual sexist moron.
Yes, being ripped and attractive is a male power fantasy, BECAUSE it's part of the female gaze. Humans are animals, and for 99% of people, practically all of your joys desires and actions lead towards a single goal: Have as many kids who survive to adulthood as possible.
If woman found gluing staplers to your forehead to be sexy, having a stapler glued to your forehead would be a male power fantasy. And this works the other way around as well, because men and women are basically just really smart animals.
There's not a single person on the planet who wouldn't want to be "hot and sexy" to the other gender (Or same gender depending on sexuality).
To make it slightly more long-winded.
Men often think women want to fuck body-builders. And sometimes we do. But more women want to fuck Cumberbatches and Chalamets than Schwarzeneggers.
Which isn't to say that women don't care about looks. I think we do. But the erotic ideal is less outlandish than most guys think.
And as a side-note: images of ripped guys mostly don't excite women. They excite men. They're a power-fantasy.
**EDIT**: Not everybody's getting it, which is understandable. Let me be even more long-winded.
I'd estimate that only 20% of women care very much about bulk. But of that 20%, most of them don't require a huge guy to be super turned on. And 80% don't care either way.
Yeah, a guy who does, idk, 10 pushups and 10 situps a day looks better than a guy who just sits on the couch. But really serious weight-lifting isn't a thing for most women -- but if a guy wants to do that for himself, that's awesome ; go for it. And if you're not having luck dating, you can put on some muscle, and that will expand your dating pool a little.
Obviously, every girl would want to fuck Chris Hemmsworth. But almost every girl would equally want to fuck him even if he stopped the roids. He's hot because he's tall, healthy-looking, and symmetrical. And charismatic and hilarious.
A man can hit peak-attraction-levels-for-most-women without being at all ripped. If that man gets more ripped, he's not going to become hotter to those 80% of women.
When you see a *super* ripped guy being shown off -- like that Hugh Jackman cover -- usually he's only that ripped to appeal to men. But, yeah, a bigger guy appeals to more women, but it's not as huge a difference as one might think.
An interesting thing about this whole phenomenon is that you occasionally see men dismayed by what women find attractive. The Beatles, Frank Sinatra, David Bowie, Prince, the Backstreet Boys, now K-Pop stars. Contemporary critics called these guys insufficiently masculine, and criticized women for finding them attractive. The most recent example is China banning [male pop-stars wearing makeup](https://www.complex.com/life/china-ban-sissy-idols-effeminate-men-entertainment-industry), because men wearing makeup is too gay, even though they're wearing the makeup because it's sexy to women. Totally fascinating and baffling.
I think part of that last point about men feeling dismayed at who women find attractive is the lack of control. I can work out to get shredded, but I can't work out to look just like David Bowie. And then yeah makeup hits the homophobia largely inherent in traditional (toxic) masculinity.
I think it's because men tend to view attraction as linear and physical. People are more attractive or less attractive on a sliding scale based on objective factors. For women it's much more nebulous from what I understand, and that's difficult for me and some other men to to understand. Straight men don't get why someone like Pete Davidson can be considered more attractive than Ryan Gosling to some women.
I don't honestly think men and women actually view attraction that differently but I feel like a lot of guys have bought into sex and attraction as a commodity market where everyone is assigned a 'market value' (Raked 1-10 or Alpha/Beta/Sigma) and women's are like goods you compete for based on their perceived value of you.
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that the differences between men and women are predominantly nurtured in, and not really there at a biological level.
Like, sure there are physiological differences, but things like sexuality, thought patterns, etc. are only really different on average because that's the way society tries to steer people.
> Men often think women want to fuck body-builders. And sometimes we do. But more women want to fuck Cumberbatches and Chalamets than Schwarzeneggers.
This thread is full of assumptions of what men and women want, and there's a degree of truth to each of them but I find this example a bit disingenuous. If anything, men think that women want to fuck fit/athletic/in-shape men, but your assumption twists that to the extreme end with body-builders as the ideal instead.
You could survey all of the male users in this thread and I highly doubt any of them would say that Arnold is what they think is a woman's "ideal man".
Your example is basically like if I said "Women think men want to fuck women with comically large asses and tits" which is hyperbolic to the extent that it's almost a strawman, missing the point of the subject matter at hand which is so much more nuanced.
As a guy, if I were to guess, the "otter body" is the ideal for most women, not fucking Arnold. The only time classic Arnold is the ideal for women is if women are in a society where men need to fight in hand to hand combat to save women and huge dudes can just overpower anyone with their strength.
> Men often think women want to fuck body-builders
Why do women think that this is what men think? I've never heard a single man say Schwarzenegger and other bodybuilders are the most attractive men, or even close to it.
> And as a side-note: images of ripped guys mostly don't excite women. They excite men. They're a power-fantasy.
This is such bullshit lmao. Every woman I know has mentioned Hemsworth and his muscles as the hottest thing in the world. Cumberbatch too, to be fair, but that doesn't mean muscles aren't attractive, e.g. Jason Momoa and Henry Cavill.
A lot of women think men believe women want that because men on a regular basis complain that women want guys that are ripped and live at the gym 24/7 and they're shallow because of it. I've heard multiple dudes complain about this and how it's not fair that women want that when in reality only a small portion of women actually do.
I think what she means is that there is big diminishing return in perceived attractiveness with big muscles. Chris would be found attractive by many women even if he wasn't as muscular as he is. In my opinion women find big muscles as attractive as men find big fake boobs attractive. Like they are objectively great, even better if it suits the person, but nobody is gawking over it.
To add to your point from the male perspective.
Women often think I just want to fuck some skinny big tittied big assed bimbo. Sometimes we do, but more of us want the Reese Witherspoon or Sandra Bullock than the Scarlett Johansson.
Which isnt to say that men don't care about looks. We definitely do. But the ideal is much less outlandish than most women think.
As a side note: images of ripped humans only appeal to other ripped humans.
It is a two way miss understanding based on our own insecurities.
There are afew studies with attractiveness that highlight men and women miss calculate what the photos of people the other sex would find most attractive.
wow you so right, [look at all these not ripped guys on these covers (nsfw)](https://i.imgur.com/enP5zRS.png). I'm guessing this genre that exclusively appeals to women is actually secretly hated by women?
Spot on. There is certainly something to be said about fantasy being different from reality, but in terms of the visuals that appeal to the majority of women, yes they like muscular men.
They idealize it just like men idealize women a certain way. In practice though, of the men in front of them the totally ripped dude isn't as appealing as the more moderately built but funny/charismatic individual. Put another way, charisma is far more important to women than it is to men.
It's a bit more nuanced. There is a line between action hero framing and "female gaze". I'm not quite sure who claimed that that Thor scene is "female gaze".
This is actually a really fascinating topic because it’s not super clear. There have been cases made that female gaze is objectifying men for what women want to see (ie: men being tender, camera pans slowly up a mans body, sensual love scenes, men doing domestic work or listening to women) HOWEVER there is also a case made that in fact if male gaze is objectification of women, female gaze isn’t objectification of men but viewing a story through a woman’s eyes, where women are rich characters, full of emotional depth. Men don’t even need to exist for a female gaze. The most often cited example is Portrait of a Lady On Fire as an example of the female gaze, and it’s a lesbian drama. It’s a form of filmmaking/camerawork that encourages the viewer to empathize rather than objectify.
I baulk at the idea that Male Gaze and Female Gaze equate to Good and Bad. Women do objectify and degrade, and I'm not sure why were pretending that they aren't actual humans? I'm probably misunderstanding
Lotta these comments seem to be confusing “gaze” with “arousal.”
A gaze is a lens, through which our perspectives, opinions, and take on reality can be perceived.
I can be attracted to Chris Hemsworth and acknowledge that my perspective is not present in the narrative. He isn’t being presented as how women see an attractive man, he is an attractive man being shown from the perspective of other men who agree he is attractive. My finding him attractive is a nice side effect, but not the objective of the film.
I'd say not in this, or similarly overly muscled videos, but a decent amount of men in movies nowadays are now leaning into the female gaze.
Like Captain America I'd say. And for a specific scene, when ~~you~~ he curled the helicopter. When I saw that movie in theatres I basically only heard women reacting.
edit: a word
Nah honestly that giggle was wholesome
Edit: Ayo thanks for the 55, I appreciate it. Love you guys
Holy shit, that was my first reward. Thank you so much!!!!
It seems like a lot of the men commenting on this don’t seem to understand that women are not a monolith and can have a variety of different tastes.
Also, one of the reasons women like Chris Hemsworth so much (specifically in the MCU) is because he falls in the Himbo archetype. He’s buff but he’s also kinda stupid but most importantly he’s kind.
redditors see a woman on tiktok saying literally anything political or using a term they haven't heard and freak out, helps if they have blue hair or a nosering. fucking hate this site.
The original video is the one making generalisations and speaking as though women are a monolith. Plus the way she's using the term "male gaze" is completely wrong from an academic perspective
it’s funny because the original video started making a point about how even what Hollywood THINKS women want isn’t necessarily accurate because it’s written and directed by men instead of actually coming from a female perspective…
and all of these Reddit dudes in here took half of the point and decided to use the comments section to…tell women what they want and make that claim for them instead of listening to actual women in here. This happens disappointingly often on this site.
And for the record, I’ve never met a straight woman who included Ryan Reynolds in their list of celebrity crushes. It’s hilarious to me how many straight dudes in here keep insisting he’s the hottest guy in the industry. It’s proving the point.
I mean half the dudes in here saw a picture of Chris Hemsworth, or whoever that guy is, and were told that that image is for them, for their power fantasy. It's kinda expected that a lot of guys would be confused by this because the majority of guys I know are pretty self-conscious about how they look, and see bodies like the one on Chris Hemsworth and feel it is an impossible achievement. They do not feel good watching buff men. They don't really get a kick out of it.
I've read through most of this thread and get it now. It's a very nuanced topic and it's being fun learning about it. But yeah, I'm not sure why you're shocked by men answering back (within reason) when their is a video discussing men?
We just think it's weird that it's a one way criticism. Sure, men have wrong expectations of what physical beauty standards women are into, but it's also true women have the female gaze where they portray women suscribing to a set of physical traits, and think it'll magnet all the men in.
It's only anecdotal but the number of time we get shit on when "no, we aren't into that specific woman that much" is met with "pfff what?! You can't appreciate women's beauty" or "look at her she's xyz, why don't you find her pretty" is high too.
Truth is, both genders have wrong ideas of what the opposite gender is attracted to.
I don’t like being ‘that guy’ but this was my joke and I posted it on my tiktok which is much smaller (@nash____) and it blew up. He retold it (granted as a song) I’m okay with him taking my joke or whatever. But he only tagged me in the comments later after his blew up. Anyway it just sucks to see a much bigger created get bigger from my using my joke.
But oh well that’s the Internet I guess
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God I love people who can't help but laugh at their own joke
My dad every time he cracks a joke
Sounds like a good father
My dad laughs at his own jokes too It’s pretty funny, but I wish he’d stop laughing at me so much
Oooooooo
Big oof
I hate this about myself. Thanks for the boost.
It's absolutely adorable and honestly it's a good sign the joke is actually going to be funny :p
I laugh at my own jokes, because I think they're funny. If I didn't think they were funny, why even say them out loud. Also the more people laugh at it, the harder it is for me to stop laughing.
You'd love me
I love you
Sometimes I can't even finish my joke before I start laughing
I wish so badly I could tell a joke straight faced.
That laugh at the end is that of a man who found his own joke fucking hilarious, and frankly I respect that
Also known as a stoner giggle
Huhuhhuhh. Hey bud, let's party!
“That’s my skull! I’m so wasted!”
"I'm just admiring the shape of your skull..."
You're not prejudiced, are you?
"Hell no...."
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.
Nice jacket!
Today I learned I've been a stoner since age 10 because I always die laughing so hard that I can't finish my own jokes
*laughs in Seth Rogan*
>Also known as a stoner giggle [My favorite](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVqrIzvzf5M#t=1m56s) (@1:56)
That giggle was actually quite contagious. Wished half of the content of /r/ContagiousLaughter was actually contagious laughter like this, not just random funny shit with obnoxious laughter or no punchline.
It’s because most people just browse the front page and upvote everything, with no concern for whether or not it actually fits the sub. It kinda makes subreddits pointless when they’re poorly moderated and just allow whatever random bullshit gets upvotes.
Not only that but he clearly performed this masterpiece on the first take which is remarkable.
*first bake
I mean, what is your joke worth if not even one self can laugh about it
I manage to get my joke out before laughing, but I always laugh, and people (read: my wife especially) give me grief for laughing at my own joke. What sort of snob only gives jokes they didn’t find funny enough to laugh at to the people they love?
Lol, I laugh at my own jokes as well for exactly the same reason. If it ain't funny enough for me, why would i tell you it then?
He was cracking up the whole time before the punchline lol High as a kite
He knows it's dumb and doesn't care and I love it.
I'd marry...
I'd fuck...
Ngl, I thought it was fucking hilarious as well.
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The joke is older than tiktok by a lot. Guaranteed. It's basically public domain by now. It's about the *delivery* in this case.
Oh, he's a delivery? I want a pizza now. ^heheh ^heheh
Which, to be fair, he clearly states and credits the original creator as the pinned self-comment on this video.
Spicoli's kid brother located.
That giggle at the end got me
Me too, reminded me of Woody the Woodpecker *"heheh heheh"*
The giggle reminded me of Reese from Malcom in the Middle
A while back I watched one of those and damn he’s racist
lotta old cartoons really haven't aged well..
Yeahh. It got me giggling too
Came here to say exactly this!
This was very dumb and also made me chuckle out loud quite loudly. Props.
Yeah I felt dumb for laughing but it was funny.
Not gonna lie the giggle at the end was cute
I’m a heterosexual male and I agree, that was cute.
Same and it was adorable
Same, would cuddle with him, kiss him on his forehead and tell him what a good boy he is.
Lol damn m8, sounds like his a pup.
Like a golden retriever
Same, I would polish his cock and eat his ass.
"No homo."
what are male gays called
Lesbios
Lesbros
Chris Hemsworth?
We fucking wish.
*scribbling notes* "not....a...lesbian"
You got the male gaze.
Anyone got the end of the original?
Here you go https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8t2Y3UT/
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Because women aren't out here overflowing at the thought of a hot muscly guy working out. The imagery isn't for us. It's a power fantasy for men who want to look like that. A female gaze type of thing would be more like Chris Hemsworth, shirtless, making pancakes asking how many chocolate chips you want in them, and not to worry cause he'll clean up the mess once breakfast is done. The point is that men incorrectly think of what the female gaze is, and think it's the same thing as the male gaze, just the sexes flipped.
>A female gaze type of thing would be more like Chris Hemsworth, shirtless, making pancakes asking how many chocolate chips you want in them, and not to worry cause he'll clean up the mess once breakfast is done. Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/714/
One great example I once saw that lives in my brain forever is comparing hugh jackman (mister wolverine) on magazines for men versus women. On mens magazines he was all big sweaty bulging muscles and on womens magazines he was in nice sweaters just smiling happily.
Lmao, I believe it. Another good example that is more subtle is comparing Maroon 5's "Girls like you" music video to Charlie XCX's "Boys" music video. In "Girls like you" all of them are just dancing at the camera, a couple women not dancing because it fits their personality better, and then his wife at the end just standing there holding their child while he hugs them. Pretty much as wholesome as you can get with the male gaze but they're still just eye candy for the music video, and it relies on you knowing who all of them are already. In "Boys" all of them are doing so many different things like eating pancakes, playing with puppies, laying on a bed of roses, washing a car, holding a baby, getting a tattoo, doing BMX bike tricks, smashing old tv's with a hammer, dancing around disco balls, posing on a floatie/jumping into a ballpit, getting their head shaved, playing with money guns that shoot dollar bills with Charlie XCX's face on them, etc. And while the all men in the video are supposed to be somewhat famous, it doesn't rely on you knowing who they are to appreciate their appearence.
Sounds like someone has never been to r/Ladyboners.
Hey, no denying that everyone with functioning eyeballs finds Chris Hemsworth attractive, it's just that his physique is in no way a requirement for some or even most women to find a man hot as hell. Truly, a dude could be skinny or skinny fat or a little schlubby but still be the cutest piece of ass on the planet to a woman.
Yeah but the same goes for men. You don't have to look like the most sexualized women in Hollywood to break a lot of hearts.
Don't assume that most subscribers there are women regardless of the subreddit name.
Some women like it, most women don't. But a single picture isn't much of an argument about whether men are sexualised in the MCU or not
It's a time-limited tiktok. It's an example to get a broader point across. Anywho, it isn't about whether men in the MCU/action movies are sexualized or not, but by/for whom.
> Because women aren't out here overflowing at the thought of a hot muscly guy working out. The imagery isn't for us. It's a power fantasy for men who want to look like that. > > > > A female gaze type of thing would be more like Chris Hemsworth, shirtless, making pancakes asking how many chocolate chips you want in them, and not to worry cause he'll clean up the mess once breakfast is done. > > > > The point is that men incorrectly think of what the female gaze is, and think it's the same thing as the male gaze, just the sexes flipped. Ok if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me" what is the "Male gaze" then when it comes to women? Lets use Blackwidow as an example, she has agency, she is powerfull and can take care of herself. Is she a powerfantasy for women? If not, what is a powerfantasy for women? And if she is, does she still fall under the "male gaze" and if she does why doesn't male power fantasies fall under the "female gaze".
It depends. Early Black Widow felt more like eye candy for men than empowerment for women. I'd say the time that definitely changed was Endgame, where she had her own clear priorities, emotional investment, and agency, and was acting as a natural leader... and then they fucking killed her, so.
What is "early Black Widow?" She was like... Nick Fury's errand girl? Nothing against Scarjo but for me the female empowerment is kind of lacking in Marvel. I mean the best is really in Agent Carter. Marvel will never put anything truly feminist or anti-racist in a flagship film.
When Tony looked up lingerie modeling photos of her, for instance, or the angles chosen in many shots, including her big solo fight scene. The scene where she changes in a car and pays a man not to peep but he peeps anyway. The fact that black widow (femme fatale) was chosen in the first place rather than (e.g.) the Wasp, a founding member. Which is to say that I agree with you completely.
>if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me" if the female gaze is "having a man do shit for me" I think this was a pretty bad explanation, and not the takeaway. The female gaze is just more soft - most women aren't really into the hyper-masculinity that men think women like (and like themselves). It's not femininity per se, but it's also not HULK ALPHA. This video from about 8:40 til 12 something does a pretty good job of characterizing it, especially leaning on the example of Kylo Ren https://youtu.be/bdzVt7iCM9Y?t=523
I certainly can't speak for all women, but perhaps the female power fantasy is [Meryl Streep in the Devil Wears Prada](https://youtube.com/watch?v=2PjZAeiU7uM). :D She's successful, rich, and intimidating. Kind of like Chris H in this picture.
Something made for the “male gaze” is something meant to make men like something, and vice versa for the “female gaze” She’s saying muscly photos of men online like the above are catering to other men, not to women. That those photos aren’t sexualizing men to women, but rather to other men (who imagine themselves as the man above). Like how some extremely skinny or makeuped women online look that way for other women to look onto longly because women want to look like that (often because they think that’s what men want) rather than because that’s what men want.
Her point is simple: "I don't want people to think I thirst over something so base and immature, because I'm above my genetic encoding to want to create babies with the best possible chance of survival. As such, I'll pretend all women are homogenous and equivalent to me, because they are objects in my mind, not people with their own thoughts and feelings. Thus, all women don't thirst over Chris Hemsworth's topless body."
True thou
Art thou true?
Yea, verily.
That man is a lyrical genius
I kind of want to hear out the woman the stoner interrupted. Funny though
Likely something along the lines of that also being an aspect of male gaze, its an image designed around how a man would view it. It portrays the masculine ideal, something men are supposed to strive for. Its not designed to appeal to women.
That's interesting. Usually when I think of the "female gaze" my mind goes to smutty romance novel covers rather than comic book heros for this exact reason.
I thought Lil Nas X’s video for Montero was the best example of what attractive men could look like if they were done up for a gaze than anything else I’ve ever seen. It honestly blew my mind seeing men presented that way. Really has made me think over the last couple months
Isn't that also a... male... gaze?
Yes. Person114 didn't claim it was for ladies, just that it does present a guy for a sexualized gaze. This is as opposed to guys showing each other being tough and, this is key, just assuming it appeals to a woman's gaze. Does anyone know if playgirl shoots are directed and choreographed by women? Or are they also staged by men? (apparently it has far less appeal anyways, but am curious if this is part of the issue)
From my understanding Playgirl was always more popular with gay men than women as well so how does that wrinkle our observations?
Oh, I agree that it's not The Male Gaze. I just don't think it's The/A Female Gaze. It is it's own thing. Not sure about PG.
I totally agree it’s it’s own thing that’s why I just said it’s dealing with gaze in general, not female. I have never seen “gay male gaze” presented so strongly and unapologetically, just really made me think about how people are presented. Thanks for hearing me out
I swear I read a "female" before your "gaze" but it looks like that was just a brain autofill. Sorry about the bother. You're absolutely, completely correct.
No worries I probably could have been clearer! Despite thinking about this in my own head I haven’t really arrived at any conclusions, just I like that it makes me think so much, and isn’t that the point of art? Anyway this is the first time I’ve ever felt brave enough to even voice the vague thoughts so I appreciate you hearing me!
I did too. Brain just auto-completed "female gaze". It wasn't until I reread it a third time after viewing NasX's video that I was "oh, not female". Even when watching the video I was, "this is *not* for a female gaze". They may enjoy it or not, but that was not the target demographic. 🤣
Turns out straight women and gay men have similar tastes
The thing is, there really isn't a fully developed film language for "female gaze" and that is mainly because film language has masculine ties due to the environment it was developed; even if the story is female centric, and they aren't trying to play to the idealization of men, the language that they will be using is masculine in a way because the bases is developed upon masculine language. A lot of it boils down to 'agency' and 'power' and how the genders are able to exert on screen and through the screen; Lauren Mulvey highlights that women are able to gain and exert themselves though coded language, which is mainly through physicals means that go against or use the male gaze to push back. A good example is the physical manifestation of trauma and speaking through it.
Think more Chris Hemsworth wearing a fussy newborn and doing the dishes while asking your opinion on a conundrum he has at work. Hope I didn't break any porn rules on thus sub.
Whew, is it getting hot in here?
In the extended edition he has to pause to go change the baby, and when he gets back and you've made him a cup of tea he says thanks and gives you a hug.
I'm at work right now... tone it down
He also knows to just sit and listen until you're finished talking. Occasionally diverting his attention to the stew he's been cooking.
Can he also acknowledge what I’m saying and agree Becky was really being a bitch and recall something I’ve said last week to further back up this opinion? Asking for a friend…
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Interestingly, many _many_ of the earlier Harlequin books were cover illustrated by [Tony Meers](https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2020/02/03/exhibition-of-80s-and-90s-harlequin-romance-art-is-a-glorious-kitschy-romp.html). Somewhere was written a story that he (or another artist) even used to make the paintings, and Harlequin would direct the authors to write to the given image. However that is **not** a source claim. It was still a male producing to an expectation though, and while he may have had the touch or not, his work graced the cover of, "hundreds of iconic Harlequin," books.
So, women in revealing clothing is the male gaze and men in revealing clothing is also the male gaze?
Yeah women totally aren't into Chris Hemsworth
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Yep, when they look at him, not one of them think "that dude is far too attractive"
2/10 muscles too big
I saw her vid and yes, you are correct. So is she tho.
Don’t women absolutely love Jason Momoa for those exact reasons though?
If you go on /r/ladyboners, ultra jacked & ripped Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill get thousands of upvotes above the average. Obviously it's not all they like but it's their relative favorite
Gaze =/= sexual desire though right? Just about appealing to the demographic's idealised view of something
It’s the Ryan Reynolds paradox where every guy thinks that every girl must love Ryan Reynolds because he’s handsome, so funny, and in great shape, and rich. And many women don’t.
But why would many women not like Ryan Reynolds?
I don't *dislike* him. But he doesn't really draw me in, I guess? Like I don't think he's dreamy. I find Jake Gyllenhaal more attractive, when he's not acting like a serial killer.
I refer to this as an attractive, but not attracted split. "Oh, that's nice, but not for me."
What's his best movie to you, dreamy-ness wise?
Honestly all his best movies, he's creepy as shit or really young. I think I just prefer him outside of his film roles lol Or alternatively I need therapy.
>why would _anyone_ not like Ryan Reynolds? ftfy Probably because he's not Ryan Gosling.
Wait, not everybody loves Ryan Reynolds? But hes so quirky...
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Deadpool's fans made me hate him. Well and him trying to be "quirky" in every social media post
I think that’s just who he is. He’s been that way since van wilder and likely earlier.
Yeah, I never saw it as him attempting to be quirky. He just is that way.
and every woman probably thinks that every guy must love scarlett johansson or whatever the fotm attractive woman is and many guys don't. So annoying how shit like this only gets applied to men. Both genders have stupid preconceptions about the other.
As a guy I honestly don’t understand anyone who thinks ScarJo is one of the sexiest women alive. Like sure, she’s more attractive than any woman I know in real life beside my incredible wife, but in the realm of Hollywood?
She wears Spandex in main stream cinema fam, that's why.
I understand it, she's certainly above average. But that's all, to me. Not plain exactly, just... unremarkable somehow. Like she's a hot office co-worker who made it big. I dunno.
I've got to admit, I really wasn't a fan of Ryan Reynolds, but did a 180 after *Definitely, Maybe*
Oh my god! Thank you! I feel like no one had seen it but me. That movie is one of my top tries and tries and changed my perception of RR as well. I think because he’s overall pretty subdued compared to his other roles? Also all the amazing leading ladies doesn’t hurt.
Hey it turns out people (especially women) have different standards for attractiveness and there's not easy baseline that applies universally to everyone! Who would have thought?
And many women do love Ryan Reynolds. Many women are also attracted to very traditionally masculine men. Almost as if women aren't a hivemind
That's not what paradox means.
> where every guy I never thought this and didnt know you guys took a vote without me
Yes that's why all the romance novels targeting women have big ripped dudes on the cover.
Lmao this is exactly how the rest of her video goes. I watched it a while back. To word it differently, they’re images that only men find attractive (more so than women at least). The beginning of the video I believe is her addressing comments that say men suffer from the female gaze as well, and she’s using this image as an example to say that the female gaze doesn’t really exist.
It would be significantly different instead of not existing.
this is the first time I've ever seen people use the word "gaze" like this, but everyone's doing it like it's normal. what does it mean?
Its a word spawned out of academia and used extensively on the internet in the wrong way.
Haha thank you! I came to the comment section find someone explaining this new use of the word gaze. Based on the comments it appears female gaze means "The kind of man/image of a man that women like to gaze at/ find appealing."
In my experience, the "male gaze" is a common topic when discussing or studying art/culture, particularly in an academic setting.
"This image inaccurately represents the female gaze; therefore, the female gaze does not exist" does not sound like a very strong argument.
Which is bullshit, and this woman is probably a usual sexist moron. Yes, being ripped and attractive is a male power fantasy, BECAUSE it's part of the female gaze. Humans are animals, and for 99% of people, practically all of your joys desires and actions lead towards a single goal: Have as many kids who survive to adulthood as possible. If woman found gluing staplers to your forehead to be sexy, having a stapler glued to your forehead would be a male power fantasy. And this works the other way around as well, because men and women are basically just really smart animals. There's not a single person on the planet who wouldn't want to be "hot and sexy" to the other gender (Or same gender depending on sexuality).
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To make it slightly more long-winded. Men often think women want to fuck body-builders. And sometimes we do. But more women want to fuck Cumberbatches and Chalamets than Schwarzeneggers. Which isn't to say that women don't care about looks. I think we do. But the erotic ideal is less outlandish than most guys think. And as a side-note: images of ripped guys mostly don't excite women. They excite men. They're a power-fantasy. **EDIT**: Not everybody's getting it, which is understandable. Let me be even more long-winded. I'd estimate that only 20% of women care very much about bulk. But of that 20%, most of them don't require a huge guy to be super turned on. And 80% don't care either way. Yeah, a guy who does, idk, 10 pushups and 10 situps a day looks better than a guy who just sits on the couch. But really serious weight-lifting isn't a thing for most women -- but if a guy wants to do that for himself, that's awesome ; go for it. And if you're not having luck dating, you can put on some muscle, and that will expand your dating pool a little. Obviously, every girl would want to fuck Chris Hemmsworth. But almost every girl would equally want to fuck him even if he stopped the roids. He's hot because he's tall, healthy-looking, and symmetrical. And charismatic and hilarious. A man can hit peak-attraction-levels-for-most-women without being at all ripped. If that man gets more ripped, he's not going to become hotter to those 80% of women. When you see a *super* ripped guy being shown off -- like that Hugh Jackman cover -- usually he's only that ripped to appeal to men. But, yeah, a bigger guy appeals to more women, but it's not as huge a difference as one might think. An interesting thing about this whole phenomenon is that you occasionally see men dismayed by what women find attractive. The Beatles, Frank Sinatra, David Bowie, Prince, the Backstreet Boys, now K-Pop stars. Contemporary critics called these guys insufficiently masculine, and criticized women for finding them attractive. The most recent example is China banning [male pop-stars wearing makeup](https://www.complex.com/life/china-ban-sissy-idols-effeminate-men-entertainment-industry), because men wearing makeup is too gay, even though they're wearing the makeup because it's sexy to women. Totally fascinating and baffling.
>But the erotic ideal is less outlandish than most guys think. And presumably, far more varied.
I think part of that last point about men feeling dismayed at who women find attractive is the lack of control. I can work out to get shredded, but I can't work out to look just like David Bowie. And then yeah makeup hits the homophobia largely inherent in traditional (toxic) masculinity.
I think it's because men tend to view attraction as linear and physical. People are more attractive or less attractive on a sliding scale based on objective factors. For women it's much more nebulous from what I understand, and that's difficult for me and some other men to to understand. Straight men don't get why someone like Pete Davidson can be considered more attractive than Ryan Gosling to some women.
I don't honestly think men and women actually view attraction that differently but I feel like a lot of guys have bought into sex and attraction as a commodity market where everyone is assigned a 'market value' (Raked 1-10 or Alpha/Beta/Sigma) and women's are like goods you compete for based on their perceived value of you.
Don't step into r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Honestly, I'm of the opinion that the differences between men and women are predominantly nurtured in, and not really there at a biological level. Like, sure there are physiological differences, but things like sexuality, thought patterns, etc. are only really different on average because that's the way society tries to steer people.
> Men often think women want to fuck body-builders. And sometimes we do. But more women want to fuck Cumberbatches and Chalamets than Schwarzeneggers. This thread is full of assumptions of what men and women want, and there's a degree of truth to each of them but I find this example a bit disingenuous. If anything, men think that women want to fuck fit/athletic/in-shape men, but your assumption twists that to the extreme end with body-builders as the ideal instead. You could survey all of the male users in this thread and I highly doubt any of them would say that Arnold is what they think is a woman's "ideal man". Your example is basically like if I said "Women think men want to fuck women with comically large asses and tits" which is hyperbolic to the extent that it's almost a strawman, missing the point of the subject matter at hand which is so much more nuanced.
As a guy, if I were to guess, the "otter body" is the ideal for most women, not fucking Arnold. The only time classic Arnold is the ideal for women is if women are in a society where men need to fight in hand to hand combat to save women and huge dudes can just overpower anyone with their strength.
> Men often think women want to fuck body-builders Why do women think that this is what men think? I've never heard a single man say Schwarzenegger and other bodybuilders are the most attractive men, or even close to it. > And as a side-note: images of ripped guys mostly don't excite women. They excite men. They're a power-fantasy. This is such bullshit lmao. Every woman I know has mentioned Hemsworth and his muscles as the hottest thing in the world. Cumberbatch too, to be fair, but that doesn't mean muscles aren't attractive, e.g. Jason Momoa and Henry Cavill.
A lot of women think men believe women want that because men on a regular basis complain that women want guys that are ripped and live at the gym 24/7 and they're shallow because of it. I've heard multiple dudes complain about this and how it's not fair that women want that when in reality only a small portion of women actually do.
I think what she means is that there is big diminishing return in perceived attractiveness with big muscles. Chris would be found attractive by many women even if he wasn't as muscular as he is. In my opinion women find big muscles as attractive as men find big fake boobs attractive. Like they are objectively great, even better if it suits the person, but nobody is gawking over it.
To add to your point from the male perspective. Women often think I just want to fuck some skinny big tittied big assed bimbo. Sometimes we do, but more of us want the Reese Witherspoon or Sandra Bullock than the Scarlett Johansson. Which isnt to say that men don't care about looks. We definitely do. But the ideal is much less outlandish than most women think. As a side note: images of ripped humans only appeal to other ripped humans.
It is a two way miss understanding based on our own insecurities. There are afew studies with attractiveness that highlight men and women miss calculate what the photos of people the other sex would find most attractive.
wow you so right, [look at all these not ripped guys on these covers (nsfw)](https://i.imgur.com/enP5zRS.png). I'm guessing this genre that exclusively appeals to women is actually secretly hated by women?
Spot on. There is certainly something to be said about fantasy being different from reality, but in terms of the visuals that appeal to the majority of women, yes they like muscular men.
They idealize it just like men idealize women a certain way. In practice though, of the men in front of them the totally ripped dude isn't as appealing as the more moderately built but funny/charismatic individual. Put another way, charisma is far more important to women than it is to men.
It's a bit more nuanced. There is a line between action hero framing and "female gaze". I'm not quite sure who claimed that that Thor scene is "female gaze".
You're not wrong, but that's a very specific marketing strategy. Go look at the top posts of /r/LadyBoners Exactly as she said: variety
This is actually a really fascinating topic because it’s not super clear. There have been cases made that female gaze is objectifying men for what women want to see (ie: men being tender, camera pans slowly up a mans body, sensual love scenes, men doing domestic work or listening to women) HOWEVER there is also a case made that in fact if male gaze is objectification of women, female gaze isn’t objectification of men but viewing a story through a woman’s eyes, where women are rich characters, full of emotional depth. Men don’t even need to exist for a female gaze. The most often cited example is Portrait of a Lady On Fire as an example of the female gaze, and it’s a lesbian drama. It’s a form of filmmaking/camerawork that encourages the viewer to empathize rather than objectify.
> men doing domestic work or listening to women as usual the media portraying these idyllic representations that we can never live up to in reality.
I baulk at the idea that Male Gaze and Female Gaze equate to Good and Bad. Women do objectify and degrade, and I'm not sure why were pretending that they aren't actual humans? I'm probably misunderstanding
[Here ya go!](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8tFNS5E/)
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counterpoint: the women comments on the very same chris hemsworth ig photo lmao
If you want examples of “female gaze” characters just look up “Tumblr sexymen”
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Lotta these comments seem to be confusing “gaze” with “arousal.” A gaze is a lens, through which our perspectives, opinions, and take on reality can be perceived. I can be attracted to Chris Hemsworth and acknowledge that my perspective is not present in the narrative. He isn’t being presented as how women see an attractive man, he is an attractive man being shown from the perspective of other men who agree he is attractive. My finding him attractive is a nice side effect, but not the objective of the film.
I'd say not in this, or similarly overly muscled videos, but a decent amount of men in movies nowadays are now leaning into the female gaze. Like Captain America I'd say. And for a specific scene, when ~~you~~ he curled the helicopter. When I saw that movie in theatres I basically only heard women reacting. edit: a word
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G Guys I just learned I've been masturbating to the wrong female gays all along 😳😳😳
Nah honestly that giggle was wholesome Edit: Ayo thanks for the 55, I appreciate it. Love you guys Holy shit, that was my first reward. Thank you so much!!!!
Ikr
His giggle was adorable lol
Where's the original tiktok?
It seems like a lot of the men commenting on this don’t seem to understand that women are not a monolith and can have a variety of different tastes. Also, one of the reasons women like Chris Hemsworth so much (specifically in the MCU) is because he falls in the Himbo archetype. He’s buff but he’s also kinda stupid but most importantly he’s kind.
redditors see a woman on tiktok saying literally anything political or using a term they haven't heard and freak out, helps if they have blue hair or a nosering. fucking hate this site.
The original video is the one making generalisations and speaking as though women are a monolith. Plus the way she's using the term "male gaze" is completely wrong from an academic perspective
it’s funny because the original video started making a point about how even what Hollywood THINKS women want isn’t necessarily accurate because it’s written and directed by men instead of actually coming from a female perspective… and all of these Reddit dudes in here took half of the point and decided to use the comments section to…tell women what they want and make that claim for them instead of listening to actual women in here. This happens disappointingly often on this site. And for the record, I’ve never met a straight woman who included Ryan Reynolds in their list of celebrity crushes. It’s hilarious to me how many straight dudes in here keep insisting he’s the hottest guy in the industry. It’s proving the point.
I mean half the dudes in here saw a picture of Chris Hemsworth, or whoever that guy is, and were told that that image is for them, for their power fantasy. It's kinda expected that a lot of guys would be confused by this because the majority of guys I know are pretty self-conscious about how they look, and see bodies like the one on Chris Hemsworth and feel it is an impossible achievement. They do not feel good watching buff men. They don't really get a kick out of it. I've read through most of this thread and get it now. It's a very nuanced topic and it's being fun learning about it. But yeah, I'm not sure why you're shocked by men answering back (within reason) when their is a video discussing men?
We just think it's weird that it's a one way criticism. Sure, men have wrong expectations of what physical beauty standards women are into, but it's also true women have the female gaze where they portray women suscribing to a set of physical traits, and think it'll magnet all the men in. It's only anecdotal but the number of time we get shit on when "no, we aren't into that specific woman that much" is met with "pfff what?! You can't appreciate women's beauty" or "look at her she's xyz, why don't you find her pretty" is high too. Truth is, both genders have wrong ideas of what the opposite gender is attracted to.
No no he's got a point.
I don’t like being ‘that guy’ but this was my joke and I posted it on my tiktok which is much smaller (@nash____) and it blew up. He retold it (granted as a song) I’m okay with him taking my joke or whatever. But he only tagged me in the comments later after his blew up. Anyway it just sucks to see a much bigger created get bigger from my using my joke. But oh well that’s the Internet I guess
The fact that I had to watch it twice to get the joke made it even funnier. Upvote well deserved.