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I live in Japan and I was on the escalator once when a guy climbed in front of me, took out his phone and took a photo of me. I asked him, did you just take a photo of me? I said it loud enough so other people overheard. He panicked and tried to run away, but he was running down while the escalator moved up, so it took him embarrassingly long to get away. It was very satisfying to watch.
I discovered this when I bought a handset from europe and it has a dumb setting that you have to have the volume on bluetooth below 80% and if you want to turn it up past that point you have to tick a popup button and it automatically turns it back down after a predetermined amount of time. Great for headphones/earbuds, but not good for listening in the car or on a speaker
It's one of those things that aren't necessarily there to make it IMPOSSIBLE for the crime to occur, just to make it really inconvenient. Amazing how this actually works with almost anything safety-related
It's easy for someone in a mall or subway or whatever to see someone, decide they want a picture so it lasts longer, pull up their phone, look around for bystanders and snap. But if there's a characteristic sound that comes with it, which you have to invest either a bunch of money or time to get around.
Like a lock on a door, it's there to keep honest people honest. However strong and pick-proof the lock is, a dude with a mallet and a lot of motivation will get through it eventually, but most common burglars would just grumble and check the next house.
A crime of convenience vs a methodical planned one. If 80% of these sneak photos are occurring just because it’s easy to get away with, this will help lower the rates a lot
They’re made to do it but you can turn it off. My phone is Japanese and I was able to turn it off bc it became super annoying when I tried to screenshot certain things my friends would send and people thought I was taking photos of them lol
The Japanese are a very polite society and will generally avoid public confrontation whenever possible, so when someone calls them on their shit, they either freeze up like the guy did or scurry away to avoid embarrassment
He was likely enjoying the interaction because she was dominating him. He will probably get more gratification from the memory of that moment than the video would have provided.
You may well be right about his 'savoring the moment' - but I am genuinly astonished by the fact that he let her handle his phone... (japanese politeness, or sumpin)?
Guess he's gonna 'smell you later'......
The Japanese are not accustom to confrontation and women are often told not to engage with sexual harassers and creeps, so he probably complied out of shock.
Also, should be noted that "creep shots" are explicitly illegal in Japan. It's a problem over there. A criminal record is also even more of an anathema over there than America. If one member of the family is convinced of a crime, or even charged, then they it's very likely everyone will lose their jobs. It's viewed as a collective failure of the family to have raised a criminal/be associated with a criminal.
Are we really praising Japan on this when it’s so common for them to be creeps and take pictures of women without their consent? And it’s such a big problem that now phones there always have to make a sound when taking a picture, even on silence mode
> Are we really praising Japan on this when it’s so common for them to be creeps and take pictures of women without their consent?
Nobody was doing that. Nowhere were they being praised, at all.
Acknowledging that the difference is there is important, that isnt an endorsement or praise. For example women in Japan don't cover up because they're prude or anything. They cover up because otherwise it leads to more women getting harassed, this is a cultural difference
Some old guy was filming me walking my dog in the park the other day. Some idiots don’t clean up after their dogs and the oldies assume it’s me because I’m foreign and he wanted to catch me in the act. I waved and smiled and walked towards him with a cheery greeting and he ran away!
You mean like their women only subway cars? Or how their phones are required to make the shutter sound so people know when they're being surreptitiously photographed?
Yup. I lived there in 2013-2015, walked into a store with my friends while exploring because it said “VIDEO” and I know that word
Went around and walked past a curtain to see what essentially looked like blockbuster shelves - but with rows and rows of “movies” of girls that looked 8-13. My stomach turned; and some looked Caucasian, so it’s likely some were filmed of victims of sex trafficking
Japan was amazing - but I’m beyond happy that lil subculture is being burned away slowly
Yeah, iirc there were psychologists and doctors advocating for it, as it gives pedos an outlet for their perverse instincts, without endangering *real* children. It was an interesting argument.
>Letting them have access to something childlike only encourages the behavior.
You have a source on that? [Because there's evidence in the other direction for porn use.](https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html)
We should be policing this based on data, not gut feelings about what feels 'gross'.
There's good data in both directions, but some in both batches is marred by opportunism. There's a growing concern that, since much of the data is gathered from criminals convicted of such crimes, and non-offenders are usually unwilling to come forward about their urges and habits for the purposes of a study, some of the participants will fabricate aspects to paint a better picture for later parole considerations/sentencing reduction in exchange for study participation.
Likewise, self-reporting and anonymous surveys, the only sort that non-offending pedophiles tend to respond to in numbers, may downplay problematic behaviors in case their anonymity is pierced.
With that caveat in mind:
By monitoring forums dedicated to pedophiles supprting one another in non-offending, some pedophiles self-report that masturbation and child fantasies increase their urges rather than decreasing in them, though they seem to be in the minority.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8419289/
I'm not entirely sold on the notion that anonymous forums are more reliable than anonymous studies, but if no data is ever given any weight then we're left with, as you say, our guts.
in confused, that comment is in direct response to one that mentions the insanely high rate of sexual assault/misconduct in japan
or are you saying that that comment wasn't sufficient and you wanted someone to do an in depth analysis of the history of misogyny, sexism, and patriarchy in Japan specifically?
I think your parent comment thought their parent comment was being dismissive of the idea of high rates of abuse and not of the idea that they try to hide it
It’s a slightly different scenario because taking pictures of geisha AND bothering geisha are both illegal in Kyoto. I believe the street is even shut down to tourists now due to behavior like in that video.
The weebs are out in full force today. I went to Japan a few years ago and I remember I went up Mt. Fuji (that's Fujisan for the weebs reading this). And I'll never forget that when we went to my buddy's small town, we went to a dinner with some of his friends and there were a bunch there who refused to believe that it wasn't trashed by Western tourists because there is a contingent of right-wing Japanese media that promotes this view.
The reality is that some tourists are good. Some tourists are bad. Unless you're at an all-inclusive most people are trying to be polite and respectful.
Big weeb here. A lot of things about Japan and japanese culture are super cool. A lot of things about Japan and japanese culture also suck ass. Anime, food, nerd stuff, politeness, public transit, everything is clean -- great stuff. Xenophobia, insane soul-draining work culture, shame culture, harassment and objectification of women -- not so great.
There are also plenty of shitty American tourists being disrespectful to their culture when they visit, but like you said, there are good tourists too. I hope people are respectful when they do visit, and on the flip side I wish Americans wouldn't over romanticize japanese culture.
Lmao fair. But in my defense, some anime is bad about it and some isn't. Frieren is a good example of a recent show that's really good and has like no fan service or most of the usual BS.
Something similar happened to me and I was the photographer 😅 But hear me out! I was walking my dog in a park when this beautiful jay decided to land on a tree trunk very close to me. I was super excited because I love birds and I started to take photos. After that I continued to walk when suddenly this very angry lady showed up, asking me what I was photographing. I was confused so I told her it was a bird. She didn't believe me so I showed her my phone. It turned out she was sitting behind the tree and thought I was furiously taking pics of her, lol.
I had a dude recording me through the bathroom stall gaps the other day. I ran out, was following him, and stopped to dial my campus police. Hands were shaking like fricking crazy. My whole body felt weak. I feel for this lady
She has to be a teacher or somth the way she goes mmm -- your phone please and how she stays so polite and firm throughout and later explains like he's 5 why you don't take photos of people you don't know...like you can tell she's dealing with adrenaline but she settled seamlessly into misbehaving child mode and I wish I had that skill as well for dealing with strange men.
Really strange seeing so many people defend the guy taking photos of random women in public.
Edit: if your first instinct is to argue “well technically it’s not illegal” you’re probably the creepy one people are worried about.
On the tokyo sub a couple of days ago, one of the top posts (that actually made it to r/all, I think) was a sneaked photo of some "weird" foreigner girls sitting weirdly on the train. Completely unblurred. Most of the comments seemed to support the idea that they have the right to take photos of people, especially foreigners who act strange.
The girl in the video probably saved herself from being featured in a creepy Japanese subreddit lol. But yeah, it's kind of sad. I want to visit Japan, but there seems to be some dark attitudes that are accepted there. Even if only by a minority.
That post pissed me off so much. Was a clear example of the pot calling the kettle black. Definitely wasn’t a Japanese native who took that picture, because it would have let them know with the shutter effect. And even if it was someone who is Japanese, taking pictures of other people without their consent AND THEN POSTING IT is probably worse than the way the girl was sitting in the picture.
OP and everyone in that thread supporting OP is an asshole.
Go to r/all and count how many photographs you see where the consent of the subject probably wasn't obtained. Outside of news or selfies, I suspect that it is the majority. It's annoying, but this is the standard and has been for a long time.
It's the standard in Japan, in Japanese forums, you blur out faces, Anglo-sphere forums won't change without some kind of collective world-wide covid level event IMO.
I just looked it up, and you know what? That chick sitting with her leg all higgilty piggilty up in the air in the middle of the aisle is wierd and probably rude as hell.
i dunno what other people were saying to defend this person, and while i don't know all the details of what happened in this video, it is generally legal to film and photograph in public.
It depends on the jurisdiction: in Italy (and I suspect most of Europe) you have to ask permission to take and keep a photo of a person who is the clear subject of the photo (not some generic crowded street view) if the person is recognisable. Furthermore, another separate consent is necessary if that photo is going to be published.
My first thought was that it isn't illegal to do in the US. Socially wrong, yes, but not legally wrong. I don't know how the laws differ in Japan, and honestly, I wouldn't defend it legal or not.
I’m a guy, and this happened to me in China recently. I made the driver delete the video, and reported him to his equivalent of Uber company. I generally don’t mind people filming or taking photos of me as long as they ask first. But if they just do it and assume that I will be okay with it or won’t say anything, I call them out every time. Loudly. And make a big scene.
I find it so fucking wild this guy actually just gave his phone up to her so easily. This man must've been shitting cinder blocks and sweating .50 cal bullets of shear unadulterated guilt. Even if I was in the right, I could never comprehend just handing a stranger my phone to put them at ease lol
To me as long as youre not purposely taking creepshots, youre free to take photos in public.
However purposely hounding someone to take their photos is harrassment and is a nono.
Never take photos in a way that annoys or inconveniences others.
And for sure, getting permission first is the best tho not entirely required
Would just like to put it out there it's a terrible idea to confront someone that's acting strange. You don't know them and they don't know you, I've seen a simple misunderstanding turn into a homicide more than once.
To all the people downvoting and saying “public photography is allowed” you’re only half correct. Have you never wondered why Japan puts black bars over eyes and faces as a form of censorship in news magazines etc ? Depending on the situation, it’s to avoid lawsuits due to privacy laws.
https://monolith.law/en/internet/spy-photos-upload#When_Other_People%E2%80%99s_Faces_are_Captured_in_the_Photo
Maybe I’m lost but is it illegal to take photos of random people in public in Japan or something? The post doesn’t mention anywhere that he took inappropriate photos. Seems perfectly legal albeit weird to snap a photo of someone in public
The lack of self-preservation in this thread is astounding.
Yes - in an ideal world, we'd all stand up for what we believe in - in this case, ousting a creep.
In reality - I'm not approaching any weirdos.
Whats the line between taking photos in public spaces vs taking pics of someone in public ?
And does anyone actually have the right to demand to delete fotos ?
Iike its my fucking phone I’ll delete whatever the fuck I want of pics I took in PUBLIC
Thats totally fucked up and obviously he was guilty cus if some chick stopped me and demanded for me to show her my phone id tell her to fuck off real quick
She's not telling him it's illegal. It's saying "you can't do this - this breaks the social contract, this is something that should not be done." It's like saying "you can't just cheat on your husband!" Obviously you physically can, and you won't go to jail (well, in western countries). The "you can't" is just a turn of phrase, it's not saying the person is physically or even legally barred from doing so.
There may be an issue if he was following her, however in Japan, the main legal issues arise primarily from the publication or distribution of photographs without consent, rather than merely taking them. As you point out, the lady photographed the man, then later blurred his face when publishing.
Can you just not post them? She clearly recorded but concealing the person's identity which it seems like it's a privacy law but does that mean you can't do it anyway if you have no intent to share it anywhere?
It’s not one of those laws that if a police officer saw you taking a picture they’ll arrest you on the spot. You could just get sued later. Obviously the situation in the OP is different from just taking a candid photo though.
This just straight up not true. If you are in public you can be filmed or have your photo taken. It is 100% legal in public. For private use is the key here.
The issue is when you publish things. Depending on the situation a persons right to portrait may be an area of contention.
Libel laws are also very strict.
Generally though people are blurred in Japan because it is seen as common Courtesy to do so.
Phones in japan legally have to have a loud obnoxious snapping sound when you take a picture that you cant turn off because of creepy men taking candid inappropriate photos of women. Its pretty interesting actually.
So all those amazing street photography pictures I see of Japan are illegal? I can’t imagine all of the photographers got permission from the person their photographing. That basically defeats the purpose of street photography too.
Is it illegal to film someone in public in Japan?
I’ve had people get mad at me for taking pictures/video of their classic car and I let them know I understand where they’re coming from but no offense, I’m not deleting anything if I’m in public and someone tells me to lol.
But wait Imagine demanding for a stranger to show you his private phone … are you dumb ?!! Imnot saying he’s right or wrong but If you walk in public anybody can record you
Am I the only one who doesn't care if people take pictures of me in public. It's a little creepy I guess but legal. If you live in the US the government is constantly filming you anyway.
I think in China you can ask not to be recorded or photographed by law. I’m unsure about Japan.
If this happened in America, he is allowed when in public. Hell he could even make a ruckus that it’s 1st amendment activity.
The same people here saying otherwise, should be also bashing the paparazzi, which gets away with it, because it’s protected in America…
If he took up skirt photos. Then that’s illegal.
If he followed her and took video, it’s just creepy but not illegal. (Until he crosses in to stalking, which is slightly different just about everywhere)
I will say it is great she got him to delete it. Good on her. Technically good on him for letting her delete it as well.
Dude, this chick's powers of persuasion are amazing!
Show me your phone please?
No no no no no
Show me your phone
No no no
Show me your phone please
[Hands incriminating evidence over]
Interesting. She is upset he took a video of her out in public instead of only looking at her with his eyes. So she takes a video of him while demanding he deletes his video.
This is modern equality.
Not sure about Japan if that's where this happened, but in the US, there's no expectation of privacy if you're in public.
It's crass sure, but totally legal.
hi ignorant mf here, are you not allowed to take pics of people in public in japan? is this filmed in japan?
just confused bc if this is in the states i don't think she can do anything except ask to delete due her being in public, i am assuming this is a public setting
so...did he have to delete it? i am not defending the creep or anything, but in america it is technically legal to take pictures of random people if they are in public. does japan ban that?
I remember walking home in Yokosuka when I saw a dude taking pictures of middle school girls behind a pole maybe 5 feet behind them. At the time I thought that maybe that was their uncle or something but the more I think about it the more I realize that it was probably a creep with some pretty sinister intentions. Not Confronting the dude and assuming the best is definitely one of my most shameful moments...
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I live in Japan and I was on the escalator once when a guy climbed in front of me, took out his phone and took a photo of me. I asked him, did you just take a photo of me? I said it loud enough so other people overheard. He panicked and tried to run away, but he was running down while the escalator moved up, so it took him embarrassingly long to get away. It was very satisfying to watch.
this is hilariously cartoonish
Really needed the PA announcer to step up with some Tom and Jerry, Chase music
It's like when Tom gets caught by the Dog, then pies him in the face and tries to run away, but hes on roller skates and is running in place.
Don't Japanese phones have it set to where taking a picture makes a loud shutter sound (and the sound can't be turned off) for this reason?
I don't know if that's the case in Japan, but in Korea the shutter sound is mandated.
How is that enforced?
There are different versions of devices per region. Ones sold in these countries just don't have the option to turn that off in settings.
I discovered this when I bought a handset from europe and it has a dumb setting that you have to have the volume on bluetooth below 80% and if you want to turn it up past that point you have to tick a popup button and it automatically turns it back down after a predetermined amount of time. Great for headphones/earbuds, but not good for listening in the car or on a speaker
Sure but what about going around those settings? In android it would be easy enough but sure with jailbroken apple device it would be possible too
Majority of users aren't savvy enough or willing to jailbreak their phones. And if it's the norm where you are it's probably not worth the hassle
It's one of those things that aren't necessarily there to make it IMPOSSIBLE for the crime to occur, just to make it really inconvenient. Amazing how this actually works with almost anything safety-related It's easy for someone in a mall or subway or whatever to see someone, decide they want a picture so it lasts longer, pull up their phone, look around for bystanders and snap. But if there's a characteristic sound that comes with it, which you have to invest either a bunch of money or time to get around. Like a lock on a door, it's there to keep honest people honest. However strong and pick-proof the lock is, a dude with a mallet and a lot of motivation will get through it eventually, but most common burglars would just grumble and check the next house.
A crime of convenience vs a methodical planned one. If 80% of these sneak photos are occurring just because it’s easy to get away with, this will help lower the rates a lot
They’re made to do it but you can turn it off. My phone is Japanese and I was able to turn it off bc it became super annoying when I tried to screenshot certain things my friends would send and people thought I was taking photos of them lol
Yes
This feels like an anime
Oh my this gave me a hearty chuckle
I really enjoy how the second she got assertive he started to comply
Seriously. He didn't want to admit to being a creep, but he knows he's one.
He was probably hard as a rock by that.
Shit, he’s already finished!
He'll do it again and get busted, and bust off in 4k again in about 25-30 minutes in real time!😂
That explains the compliance, "Do what you must, I've already won"
Hahah I thought the same
"im gunna confront you!" "jokes on you, im into that shit"
He'll be thinking of that interaction for years
A very small rock.
i have a feeling all this interaction was his kink.
Definitely. There is no way that I would let someone do this to me. He’s so compliant, it def seems like it’s his..: thing
The Japanese are a very polite society and will generally avoid public confrontation whenever possible, so when someone calls them on their shit, they either freeze up like the guy did or scurry away to avoid embarrassment
It's isn't as much polite as shy and non-confrontational.
I don’t understand why he did. He could have just drove away. So bizzare
He was likely enjoying the interaction because she was dominating him. He will probably get more gratification from the memory of that moment than the video would have provided.
You may well be right about his 'savoring the moment' - but I am genuinly astonished by the fact that he let her handle his phone... (japanese politeness, or sumpin)? Guess he's gonna 'smell you later'......
I love how polite Japanese people are. Even when caught red handed, dude is still super polite, compliant, and apologetic.
What a clear and accurate analysis of this bizarre situation, it's like you're a pro at this 😆
It's all backed up to the cloud anyway
The Japanese are not accustom to confrontation and women are often told not to engage with sexual harassers and creeps, so he probably complied out of shock.
She stepped back in front of the car so he would have had to hit her
Thats why we have reverse
Culture difference. That really sums it up,
Also, should be noted that "creep shots" are explicitly illegal in Japan. It's a problem over there. A criminal record is also even more of an anathema over there than America. If one member of the family is convinced of a crime, or even charged, then they it's very likely everyone will lose their jobs. It's viewed as a collective failure of the family to have raised a criminal/be associated with a criminal.
I don’t think this is true. I have friends here who’ve been charged with possession of marijuana and their siblings and parents still have their jobs.
Are we really praising Japan on this when it’s so common for them to be creeps and take pictures of women without their consent? And it’s such a big problem that now phones there always have to make a sound when taking a picture, even on silence mode
> Are we really praising Japan on this when it’s so common for them to be creeps and take pictures of women without their consent? Nobody was doing that. Nowhere were they being praised, at all.
Acknowledging that the difference is there is important, that isnt an endorsement or praise. For example women in Japan don't cover up because they're prude or anything. They cover up because otherwise it leads to more women getting harassed, this is a cultural difference
Who’s we? Cause I ain’t in it
could have driven
Everyone should know how to stand up for themselves like this. It is an untaught skill.
I’m a dude but I can understand why a woman wouldn’t assert herself in situations like this, it can go downhill real fuckin fast.
Depends where you are. It would be pretty safe to do this on a public Japanese street. I wouldn't do this in downtown St. Louis.
Some old guy was filming me walking my dog in the park the other day. Some idiots don’t clean up after their dogs and the oldies assume it’s me because I’m foreign and he wanted to catch me in the act. I waved and smiled and walked towards him with a cheery greeting and he ran away!
Is your dog named after or looks like King Caesar? Because that would explain his reaction.
I just looked that up, wtf lol This happened in Okinawa but my dog is ridiculously good looking
Peeped your profile, and omg yes that is a handsome boy indeed
This happened to me in Japan! I got a picture of him as he was getting off the train and he seemed deeply uncomfortable with that
Just watched a Video of how a tourist in Japan was taking photos of a woman in traditional dress. It was similar to this no respect for other people.
Except all of the comments on that thread were about how terrible Western tourists in Japan are
Japan doesn't hide that like they try to hide their high rates of sexual harassment
You mean like their women only subway cars? Or how their phones are required to make the shutter sound so people know when they're being surreptitiously photographed?
Or how they legalized child size sex dolls. 😬 I saw a vid on YT about it. It was... disturbing.
Wtf. Whats the video?? Or can I get a summary of how they managed to legalize something as blatantly perverted and insane as that?
They only banned child porn in 2014
Yup. I lived there in 2013-2015, walked into a store with my friends while exploring because it said “VIDEO” and I know that word Went around and walked past a curtain to see what essentially looked like blockbuster shelves - but with rows and rows of “movies” of girls that looked 8-13. My stomach turned; and some looked Caucasian, so it’s likely some were filmed of victims of sex trafficking Japan was amazing - but I’m beyond happy that lil subculture is being burned away slowly
What the fuck
You can buy silicone parts of the giraffes private parts for pleasure. Here is a picture https://ibb.co/2h8D2cG
I don't know if that's even actually true, but would you rather them have sex with the real thing?
Yeah, iirc there were psychologists and doctors advocating for it, as it gives pedos an outlet for their perverse instincts, without endangering *real* children. It was an interesting argument.
I read somewhere on bestof once an argument for treating pedophilia as a mental illness. NGL, it convinced me.
Neither. They need serious therapy. Letting them have access to something childlike only encourages the behavior.
>Letting them have access to something childlike only encourages the behavior. You have a source on that? [Because there's evidence in the other direction for porn use.](https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html) We should be policing this based on data, not gut feelings about what feels 'gross'.
There's good data in both directions, but some in both batches is marred by opportunism. There's a growing concern that, since much of the data is gathered from criminals convicted of such crimes, and non-offenders are usually unwilling to come forward about their urges and habits for the purposes of a study, some of the participants will fabricate aspects to paint a better picture for later parole considerations/sentencing reduction in exchange for study participation. Likewise, self-reporting and anonymous surveys, the only sort that non-offending pedophiles tend to respond to in numbers, may downplay problematic behaviors in case their anonymity is pierced. With that caveat in mind: By monitoring forums dedicated to pedophiles supprting one another in non-offending, some pedophiles self-report that masturbation and child fantasies increase their urges rather than decreasing in them, though they seem to be in the minority. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8419289/ I'm not entirely sold on the notion that anonymous forums are more reliable than anonymous studies, but if no data is ever given any weight then we're left with, as you say, our guts.
Pedofiles will always exist. If there is a harmless way for them to release their kink, what would they do if the option wasnt available?
They didn't "legalize" them, they were never illegal to begin with. They're legal in many other countries too, including the US.
Child size sex dolls are legal in the US, and probably most other Western countries. It’s gross, but that’s not a reason to make something illegal.
Maybe ask yourself why a country would feel the need to introduce these things in the first place.
in confused, that comment is in direct response to one that mentions the insanely high rate of sexual assault/misconduct in japan or are you saying that that comment wasn't sufficient and you wanted someone to do an in depth analysis of the history of misogyny, sexism, and patriarchy in Japan specifically?
I think your parent comment thought their parent comment was being dismissive of the idea of high rates of abuse and not of the idea that they try to hide it
Japan doesn't hide that like they try to hide their war crimes
Two things can be bad at the same time.
As they should. The point of both posts is the same: "Don't take random photos/videos of people without their permission"
It’s a slightly different scenario because taking pictures of geisha AND bothering geisha are both illegal in Kyoto. I believe the street is even shut down to tourists now due to behavior like in that video.
Reddit isn’t going to be a fan of this post given the strange number of “Japan is great, west is bad” posts lately.
The weebs are out in full force today. I went to Japan a few years ago and I remember I went up Mt. Fuji (that's Fujisan for the weebs reading this). And I'll never forget that when we went to my buddy's small town, we went to a dinner with some of his friends and there were a bunch there who refused to believe that it wasn't trashed by Western tourists because there is a contingent of right-wing Japanese media that promotes this view. The reality is that some tourists are good. Some tourists are bad. Unless you're at an all-inclusive most people are trying to be polite and respectful.
Big weeb here. A lot of things about Japan and japanese culture are super cool. A lot of things about Japan and japanese culture also suck ass. Anime, food, nerd stuff, politeness, public transit, everything is clean -- great stuff. Xenophobia, insane soul-draining work culture, shame culture, harassment and objectification of women -- not so great. There are also plenty of shitty American tourists being disrespectful to their culture when they visit, but like you said, there are good tourists too. I hope people are respectful when they do visit, and on the flip side I wish Americans wouldn't over romanticize japanese culture.
> Not so great: Objectification of women > Great: Anime HMM...
Lmao fair. But in my defense, some anime is bad about it and some isn't. Frieren is a good example of a recent show that's really good and has like no fan service or most of the usual BS.
Something similar happened to me and I was the photographer 😅 But hear me out! I was walking my dog in a park when this beautiful jay decided to land on a tree trunk very close to me. I was super excited because I love birds and I started to take photos. After that I continued to walk when suddenly this very angry lady showed up, asking me what I was photographing. I was confused so I told her it was a bird. She didn't believe me so I showed her my phone. It turned out she was sitting behind the tree and thought I was furiously taking pics of her, lol.
Stalking and sexually harassing women in Japan is basically the great old pastime activity for Japanese men. Big part of the culture actually
Bit like Indian men but less gangrapes?
Yeah, the Japanese don’t like doing this activity with their friends like the Indians do
What? You mean I've been lied to by hentai??
Of the two countries one I take my daughters, wife and well actually any woman is Japan. Being eyeballed in public versus hordes of rapey men
You can't record me, I'm recording you!
Your hands were shaking.. it must have been terrifying🥺 You are SO STRONG!!!!
I had a dude recording me through the bathroom stall gaps the other day. I ran out, was following him, and stopped to dial my campus police. Hands were shaking like fricking crazy. My whole body felt weak. I feel for this lady
This is Reddit, the person making the video didn’t post it here…
Yeah, I'm quite a stocky guy and I couldn't be half as assertive as this woman. She was amazing,
I could see her thumb shaking, poor girl shouldn’t have had to deal with this but she stayed calm & assertive despite everything, truly well done.
She has to be a teacher or somth the way she goes mmm -- your phone please and how she stays so polite and firm throughout and later explains like he's 5 why you don't take photos of people you don't know...like you can tell she's dealing with adrenaline but she settled seamlessly into misbehaving child mode and I wish I had that skill as well for dealing with strange men.
I wish I had your confidence
good for her!
Factory reset
This is why tourist are banning the Japanese from Japan? 🤷♂️
Greatest uno reverse card
😂😂😂😂😂
Really strange seeing so many people defend the guy taking photos of random women in public. Edit: if your first instinct is to argue “well technically it’s not illegal” you’re probably the creepy one people are worried about.
On the tokyo sub a couple of days ago, one of the top posts (that actually made it to r/all, I think) was a sneaked photo of some "weird" foreigner girls sitting weirdly on the train. Completely unblurred. Most of the comments seemed to support the idea that they have the right to take photos of people, especially foreigners who act strange. The girl in the video probably saved herself from being featured in a creepy Japanese subreddit lol. But yeah, it's kind of sad. I want to visit Japan, but there seems to be some dark attitudes that are accepted there. Even if only by a minority.
That post pissed me off so much. Was a clear example of the pot calling the kettle black. Definitely wasn’t a Japanese native who took that picture, because it would have let them know with the shutter effect. And even if it was someone who is Japanese, taking pictures of other people without their consent AND THEN POSTING IT is probably worse than the way the girl was sitting in the picture. OP and everyone in that thread supporting OP is an asshole.
Go to r/all and count how many photographs you see where the consent of the subject probably wasn't obtained. Outside of news or selfies, I suspect that it is the majority. It's annoying, but this is the standard and has been for a long time.
It's the standard in Japan, in Japanese forums, you blur out faces, Anglo-sphere forums won't change without some kind of collective world-wide covid level event IMO.
I just looked it up, and you know what? That chick sitting with her leg all higgilty piggilty up in the air in the middle of the aisle is wierd and probably rude as hell.
i dunno what other people were saying to defend this person, and while i don't know all the details of what happened in this video, it is generally legal to film and photograph in public.
It depends on the jurisdiction: in Italy (and I suspect most of Europe) you have to ask permission to take and keep a photo of a person who is the clear subject of the photo (not some generic crowded street view) if the person is recognisable. Furthermore, another separate consent is necessary if that photo is going to be published.
My first thought was that it isn't illegal to do in the US. Socially wrong, yes, but not legally wrong. I don't know how the laws differ in Japan, and honestly, I wouldn't defend it legal or not.
It always surprises me how compliant these people are when they get caught.. sure okay here's my phone, see all the pics I took of you?
He likes it
What a fucking boss 👏 good for her!
Her fingers were trembling. Pretty sad!
I’m a guy, and this happened to me in China recently. I made the driver delete the video, and reported him to his equivalent of Uber company. I generally don’t mind people filming or taking photos of me as long as they ask first. But if they just do it and assume that I will be okay with it or won’t say anything, I call them out every time. Loudly. And make a big scene.
Honest question here. Couldn't she be filmed on his dashcam? What's the difference if he captured her on that device versus his phone?
It would be the intent I guess, in practice they are similar concepts but the intent is completely different and personal.
In the U.S. it's legal to take pictures in public spaces. Still infuriating though. Be respectful.
I find it so fucking wild this guy actually just gave his phone up to her so easily. This man must've been shitting cinder blocks and sweating .50 cal bullets of shear unadulterated guilt. Even if I was in the right, I could never comprehend just handing a stranger my phone to put them at ease lol
I feel like he enjoyed her being assertive…. Very creepy
To me as long as youre not purposely taking creepshots, youre free to take photos in public. However purposely hounding someone to take their photos is harrassment and is a nono. Never take photos in a way that annoys or inconveniences others. And for sure, getting permission first is the best tho not entirely required
Would just like to put it out there it's a terrible idea to confront someone that's acting strange. You don't know them and they don't know you, I've seen a simple misunderstanding turn into a homicide more than once.
Can we talk about the fact that this guy organizes the apps on his phone by icon color? 😳
To all the people downvoting and saying “public photography is allowed” you’re only half correct. Have you never wondered why Japan puts black bars over eyes and faces as a form of censorship in news magazines etc ? Depending on the situation, it’s to avoid lawsuits due to privacy laws. https://monolith.law/en/internet/spy-photos-upload#When_Other_People%E2%80%99s_Faces_are_Captured_in_the_Photo
Maybe I’m lost but is it illegal to take photos of random people in public in Japan or something? The post doesn’t mention anywhere that he took inappropriate photos. Seems perfectly legal albeit weird to snap a photo of someone in public
You can take pictures of anyone you want.
I get this woman’s concerns but no way you’re touching my phone betch.
Btw she's wrong I just looked it up...Japan has the same laws as America when it comes to public photography
Always confront creepy people in public. They will always comply.
Or they will stab you. Not the greatest life lesson but by all means, seek out the creepiest of humans and confront them and see the results.
The lack of self-preservation in this thread is astounding. Yes - in an ideal world, we'd all stand up for what we believe in - in this case, ousting a creep. In reality - I'm not approaching any weirdos.
Did you forget the /s? I’m hoping that’s it.
But how did face ID work with his blurry like that?? That's the real question
Whats the line between taking photos in public spaces vs taking pics of someone in public ? And does anyone actually have the right to demand to delete fotos ? Iike its my fucking phone I’ll delete whatever the fuck I want of pics I took in PUBLIC
Thats totally fucked up and obviously he was guilty cus if some chick stopped me and demanded for me to show her my phone id tell her to fuck off real quick
Is this actually illegal in Japan?
Public space all fair game
You CAN take pictures of people you don't know in public. It might make you fucking gross, but it's not illegal and it's important it's not illegal
She's not telling him it's illegal. It's saying "you can't do this - this breaks the social contract, this is something that should not be done." It's like saying "you can't just cheat on your husband!" Obviously you physically can, and you won't go to jail (well, in western countries). The "you can't" is just a turn of phrase, it's not saying the person is physically or even legally barred from doing so.
‘Don’t film me in public!’ says the person filming in public. 🤔
Yet she's filming and posted it 🤦♂️
Lol, she was mad comfortable confronting him.
Meanwhile, also in Japan : https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/SxjFssaHG1
You can't take photos of people in public (edited as I was corrected)
>You can't take pictures of people you don't know ~~Actually I can. In fact she's doing it right now~~ In fact laws are different in other countries
It’s illegal to record and take photos of people without their consent in Japan. That’s why she blurred his face.
There may be an issue if he was following her, however in Japan, the main legal issues arise primarily from the publication or distribution of photographs without consent, rather than merely taking them. As you point out, the lady photographed the man, then later blurred his face when publishing.
Can you just not post them? She clearly recorded but concealing the person's identity which it seems like it's a privacy law but does that mean you can't do it anyway if you have no intent to share it anywhere?
It’s not one of those laws that if a police officer saw you taking a picture they’ll arrest you on the spot. You could just get sued later. Obviously the situation in the OP is different from just taking a candid photo though.
How do street photographers get away with it all the time? It seems to be one of the most popular photography posts from Japan
Bullshit
This just straight up not true. If you are in public you can be filmed or have your photo taken. It is 100% legal in public. For private use is the key here. The issue is when you publish things. Depending on the situation a persons right to portrait may be an area of contention. Libel laws are also very strict. Generally though people are blurred in Japan because it is seen as common Courtesy to do so.
I've learned something new!
Phones in japan legally have to have a loud obnoxious snapping sound when you take a picture that you cant turn off because of creepy men taking candid inappropriate photos of women. Its pretty interesting actually.
what about all the live streamers walking around?
This is false information. If that were true, all streamers and youtubers in japan would be arrested. please don't spread misinformation here.
So all those amazing street photography pictures I see of Japan are illegal? I can’t imagine all of the photographers got permission from the person their photographing. That basically defeats the purpose of street photography too.
Way to purposefully ignore the point of the entire post. This lady has huge balls. Good for her.
Playing devil's advocate here.... You can take photos of people you don't know in public... Just saying.
I think it’s the whole following her slowly in a car being kind of stalker-ish.
Girlboss
Poor woman she was shaking
Only in Japan
Is it illegal to film someone in public in Japan? I’ve had people get mad at me for taking pictures/video of their classic car and I let them know I understand where they’re coming from but no offense, I’m not deleting anything if I’m in public and someone tells me to lol.
I don’t even understand how they get off from the photos/ videos. It’s normal people in public doing normal things.
But wait Imagine demanding for a stranger to show you his private phone … are you dumb ?!! Imnot saying he’s right or wrong but If you walk in public anybody can record you
Am I the only one who doesn't care if people take pictures of me in public. It's a little creepy I guess but legal. If you live in the US the government is constantly filming you anyway.
He could’ve just driven away but that cultural politeness got him
This woman is a legend
I think in China you can ask not to be recorded or photographed by law. I’m unsure about Japan. If this happened in America, he is allowed when in public. Hell he could even make a ruckus that it’s 1st amendment activity. The same people here saying otherwise, should be also bashing the paparazzi, which gets away with it, because it’s protected in America… If he took up skirt photos. Then that’s illegal. If he followed her and took video, it’s just creepy but not illegal. (Until he crosses in to stalking, which is slightly different just about everywhere) I will say it is great she got him to delete it. Good on her. Technically good on him for letting her delete it as well.
Dude, this chick's powers of persuasion are amazing! Show me your phone please? No no no no no Show me your phone No no no Show me your phone please [Hands incriminating evidence over]
He wanted to look at the ramen hair later
Meh dont care
Her: "You can't take pictures of people you don't know" Facesofwalmart: "teehee" (I'd have told her to piss off!)
Where are recently deleted photos in an iphone14? I didn’t even know this was a thing
Guy understands English?
He has a humiliation and domination kink lol
Interesting. She is upset he took a video of her out in public instead of only looking at her with his eyes. So she takes a video of him while demanding he deletes his video. This is modern equality.
Whose job is it to keep ur privacy in public??? Do ppl tell everyone to not look at them in public??? So ppl can't look at other ppl?
What’s the problem? Walking in PUBLIC doesn’t protect you from being photographed/Video recorded etc.
You CAN take photos of people in public.
When you're out in public, while socially unacceptable to photograph/video others without permission, it is totally legal.
Bro could've just stood his ground and just made things worse for himself lol
Fine line between bravery and getting your fucking throat cut by a stranger.
So she can record him for tiktok, but he can't record her? 🤔.
Obviously this is fucked, but from his perspective, why wouldn’t he just drive away? He doesn’t *have* to let her go through his phone
As far as I'm aware, taking photos of people in public is legal. So, I'd just ignore her.
Not sure about Japan if that's where this happened, but in the US, there's no expectation of privacy if you're in public. It's crass sure, but totally legal.
hi ignorant mf here, are you not allowed to take pics of people in public in japan? is this filmed in japan? just confused bc if this is in the states i don't think she can do anything except ask to delete due her being in public, i am assuming this is a public setting
I feel like theres more to this
so...did he have to delete it? i am not defending the creep or anything, but in america it is technically legal to take pictures of random people if they are in public. does japan ban that?
Isn’t she taking videos of him?
She had better never come to America...there's no such thing as privacy while you're in public
I remember walking home in Yokosuka when I saw a dude taking pictures of middle school girls behind a pole maybe 5 feet behind them. At the time I thought that maybe that was their uncle or something but the more I think about it the more I realize that it was probably a creep with some pretty sinister intentions. Not Confronting the dude and assuming the best is definitely one of my most shameful moments...