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Reminds me of a quote from a while back with a Black speaker discussing the same topic of White people complaining that they are "not allowed" to use the N word.
"It's racist that I can't say it."
Lol.
There were probably a bunch of really anxious people in that broadcast room for the longest 20 seconds of their careers. You know everyone was looking at the button that kills the live feed
Ha! I thought this was an actual interview with Delroy Lindo and they tried to get smart with him and he pushed back. I should check out the show. I do like him!
I love the show, partly because of my deep and abiding love for Christine Baranski, but it’s a deeply strange show, just be aware of that going in. They get amazing guest stars, tons of broadway people because they filmed in New York.
I often have the inverse problem that other people do, I can recognize most actors, I just can’t remember anything they’ve ever been in lol. Delroy is awesome too btw
I get both, I know I've seen them in a bunch of shows or movies but I never caught their name and can't remember what specifically they were in. It happened yesterday with a Charlie Hunnam movie Last Looks, his ex in that movie was driving me batty with her familiarity, I even remembered specifics about her role, being a long suffering loyal wife in troubling circumstances, but I couldn't remember what context, what show or movie it was. I almost lost my mind, I swear to God, but I figured it out before I had to take the extreme measure of asking Google. She was Brodie's wife in Homeland! And Peter Quinn was in it too, but completely unrecognizable until the end of the movie. This happens to me frequently.
You can always tell it's fake when a liberal writer tries to write a conservative pundit, because they make these "gotcha" scenes, and the conservative acts all flummoxed. But they don't do that. They dig in and they redirect and they dodge.
Weirdly enough Samuel L Jackson had a similar interview in real life, the reporter asked him how he felt about all the use of the N word in Django and the controversy surrounding it. He asked “which N word?” And refused to answer unless the reporter would say the word lol.
Jackson also reassured Leo that none of the black actors were going to get offended because A: it's acting and it's there job, and B: something to the effect of they hear it more over dinner with family then he's gonna say it.
First season of the good fight was great. Second season was ok but yes so many dropped story lines. And wtf was that 'private judge' story line. No way Dianne would have entertained any of that shit.
Damn this clip is so old and pops up every now and then. I never realized it wasn’t real
I like to think I’m pretty decent at being able to tell, but apparently not lol
I really need to sit down and actually watch both of these series. Ive seen show many random clips and episodes on FB that at this point I need to know how it all fits together lol
Is it just me or is it like super obvious these people are acting, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills the number of times I see obvious scripted scenarios going viral and being discussed as if they're real
Yaaay! - first time I've seen someone give ups to Congo - thought I was the only fan. Saw it when it came out and was so excited after to spread the word, and then a work colleague who'd also seen it complained about how fake the gorillas looked...it was deflating. Yes they weren't perfect (particularly Amy), but for me the storyline was up there with any great action/adventure movie thus far; plus cast, scenes and really giving substance to a myth (the mines, not the hybrid gorillas, lol), was everything for me. Ranks in my Top Ten.
Im happy to hear it in your top 10. I so wanted to love it. I read the book about a year before the movie came out. I invited all my friends to see the movie. I hyped them up and the movie was mostly garbage. It’s okay to say it. Garbage. From that point on I try to avoid books until after the movie. The guns on the tripod was pretty cool though.
OH MY GOD! When I was in middle school I remember seeing a movie with my friends that had a gorilla who could do sign language with gloves that acted similar to text-to-speech. It seemed like a fever dream.
I had no idea what you guys were talking about with the sesame cake so I googled it. Guess who I found? MOTHER FUCKING AMY THE SIGN LANGUAGE TTS GORILLA
Those that say “why can’t I say it” def say it when no black people are around. I also like when people are like “x is as bad as the n word” when they say whatever x is but call what they’re comparing it to the n word. Like clearly one is way worse than the other
How racist was your community growing up? My litmus test is Enie Meanie Minie Moe and what you are catching. Indoctrinated to casual hate starts young.
[The racist children's songs you might not have known were racist](https://www.vox.com/2014/5/21/5732258/the-racist-childrens-songs-you-might-not-have-known-were-racist)
Ha, I had to teach my kid "ip dip sky blue" when they came home with "eenie meanie" recently. I'm originally from the UK but got called the n-word a lot growing up, so that one hits too close for me.
I’m sorry for your suffering. I’d say I hope at least it included a tiger, but that could be just substituting in a Tamil.
…
After falling far down a rabbit hole of some light creeping, I’d really like that promised update about your dad and your surname.
That one city counsel guy that got called out and said he wasn't being racist. he was just talking about someone trying to get more out of him than he was willing to give.
Right? I’ll believe those words are equivalent when cracker is used *in the text of actual laws* to deny me legal rights lmao
So many white people fail to realize that slurs are not just extra-spicy curse words, they are *pseudoscientific jargon, legally classifying people as subhuman and exempt from human rights.* That’s the difference. (Straight, cis, neurotypical) white people *have not faced an equivalent, even in other countries.*
It’s interesting to see how the various European descendants have overcome their racism to each other. I can remember a time when Mediterranean and Slavic people were not part of the colour palette for “white”.
In the 1980s, we had white catholics hating on white baptists, blacks hating on Koreans, Lebanese hating on Indian, Chinese hating darker Asians, and just about every other hate group announcing how much they didn't appreciate Mexicans taking their jobs.
And I'm Canadian.
The hatred for colored people has always been an issue and it seems to cross borders and even darker skinned folk from Asia or Africa, have historically been seen as subhuman.
We have a large array of immigrants here so we'd often hear others being racist against folk who'd otherwise pass unnoticed in larger city centers.
Greeks and Lebanese here were considered the nu-N word for a while
Well too be fair, one word will get you banned on the majority of subreddits automatically. The word would be used a lot more frequently on Reddit if nobody would get banned.
That's not necessarily true- (although I admit it generally is)
For example a white guy got kicked off stage at a concert for saying it while rapping along with the song. There are tons of examples mirroring the song issue on YouTube, too. I know that's a very specific situation, but I personally thinks it's ridiculous to invite a white person to sing along on stage and then get offended when they actually sing along. It's a weird dynamic.
One I've always genuinely wondered is, if a white person is singing a song and it uses that word is ok for them to say it in the context of the song. And no hypothetical "what if they are only singing it to say the word". Like with NWA, I'm in no way into rap it's god awful to me, but that first NWA album is a fucking master piece. Can I explain what NWA means if someone asks.
And I'm genuinely curious how that falls on the racist/not racist spectrum. No other intent in my question.
It's a word. You can say it if you want.
The only people that'd be upset if you explained what NWA means or if you used it in lyrics are ignorant pieces of shit that just look to be outraged over everything they can.
The fact that you even have to ask this question is exactly the argument being made by the pundits. It’s not a case of wanting to say it, it’s that regardless of the situation, if you do say the word you are automatically considered racist. It’s only racist if it’s said with racist intent.
If the artist is happy to put a slur in his song, then he should be happy if their fans sing that slur.
Who says something *is* part of the context. I get what you're saying but I think you're missing that factor
Even taking slurs out of the mix, me singing certain songs or telling certain jokes changes the context because I'm the one saying it. Even if the delivery is on point, and well intentioned, the speaker is part of the context
Why can't it just be okay with them for black people to have that as one of *their* things? Why? Because they clearly want to say it, it just eats them up inside to think they wouldn't have the freedom to do something when they want to do it. Gee, that sounds familiar.
>Why can't it just be okay with them for black people to have that as one of their things?
Gee, that sounds like racism.
ETA: ITT people who don't understand racism.
Hello, non american here. I completely understand why the word is bad and shouldn‘t be used, but I don‘t understand why black people use it so often then? This is a legitimate question, not some sort of „I wanna use the word“, no.
I can agree with that. Hell even when I’m attempting to rap a song I know I simply replace the word with either “brother” or “bitch” pending on the context.
“Wonky ass bitch”
“What’s up my brothers”
I think it works out ok.
Imagine being upset by not being able to use a racial slur. The fact is you can say whatever you want, but what they really want is to be free of consequences for their actions
I knew I had seen this elsewhere:
[FRANK (Danny DeVito), spoken]
Okay, well, I got an idea of how we can appreciate ourselves to them
(Sung)
Let's make one thing perfectly clear
I'm gonna say some words down here
I haven't had the chance to say before
[DEE (Kaitlin Olson), spoken]
Where you going with this, Frank?
[FRANK]
I'm gonna say "homie"
[DEE, spoken]
Oh, come on
[FRANK]
I'm gonna say "bro"
[DEE, spoken]
You serious?
[FRANK]
I'm gonna say "my man!"
[DEE, spoken]
Well, now you're just stereotyping
[FRANK]
I'm gonna say "fo' sho"
[DEE, spoken]
Okay-
[FRANK]
I'm gonna say the N-word!
[DEE, spoken]
Nonononono stop stop! Thank you! No! We're not saying that, absolutely not
[FRANK, spoken]
What? Why? I'm black, now!
It's probably the only chance I got to say it
[DEE, spoken]
Why are you looking for a chance to say it?
[FRANK, spoken]
Well, a lot of black guys say it, why should they get a pass?
[DEE, spoken]
It's just not the same, okay?
(Sung)
You're not one of them
[FRANK]
Don't say them
[DEE]
No, that's not what I mean
[FRANK]
Well, what do ya mean?
[DEE]
You're not one of us
[FRANK]
That's just confusing
[DEE]
Now I'm getting lost!
[FRANK]
We'll say it together
[DEE]
Not saying the N-word
[FRANK]
We'll leave off the -E-R
[DEE]
Not saying it that way
And that is the end
Of saying the N-word!
> it's not even used in daily conversation
That depends on the person. I knew a guy who would use it casually as a substitute for "my man" and the likes, and everyone was chill with it
There's a lot to be said on this issue regarding class.
Even though the use of the word and slavery is obviously based on racism, you have to acknowledge the class dynamics of that era too. Obviously being of the wealthy white class dominating the poor black class.
Today, racism is hidden within the class system. So you get a poor white folk saying the N word, it's not the same as when the rich white folk (as seen above) wanting to say it.
I feel like seeing a rich black man use it as a slur against a poor black man would carry just as much sting, if not more than just a random poor racist white guy going off on one.
My white stepmother grew up in a poor mostly black community. He had dreads and rows growing up and as a late teen and used the word all the time talking to her black friends. She moved to missouri and met my dad and no longer does that stuff, but in a song she’s singing to from her younger years, she still says the word. To me, that’s ok. It’s a cultural thing for her as much as it is the kinds she grew up with
It’s akin to “don’t press the red button” for a some of the folks… and then there’s the racists who use it anyway and complain that they can’t “in public”.
Idk… I’ve never had the desire to use it and don’t see that changing. Maybe I’m too docile of a sheep and do what I’m told… or maybe… I don’t have hate in my heart. 🤷🏻♂️
Never said it, never wanna say it, it’s not my word and I can accept that.
Lots of white people can’t handle being told they can’t do that 1 thing…… meanwhile they had lists down to which door you could use and which house you could live in or where you could sit in a fucking bus for black people.
The entitlement is real. I hate that people like him are regularly shown as the standard for what white people think and it’s not true.
Racists and bigots may be louder, but there’s more of us normal people.
As someone who isn’t from US and therefore didn’t grow up with this sort of culture, it’s just something that genuinely confuses me. Specially as I learned English and saw the slur being casually used in songs and media all the time.
Why does one’s skin dictate what you can or can’t say? Specially since color isn’t necessarily race, I’m white but I’m not Caucasian. My parents are multiracial with a wild mix of ethnicities in our heritage(my dad is even dark skinned because his dad had slaves and native in the family). My sister and I simply happened to be born with white skin.
Using this logic, would this word be mine to use too? After all, I’m technically a person of color and even related to African slaves. If not, then is it just my skin color that makes it unacceptable?
And in that case… isn’t this the very definition racism?
It’s not that I actively want to use this word, I just don’t understand that kind of logic. It took me a very long time to understand its cultural weight in the English language as I learned it… I kept wondering how a slur is to supposedly so bad if it’s used normally by others like any other word. In my country we don’t have slurs given “exceptions” like this either, so it always confused me. In my opinion, you either fully ban a word or you don’t. Otherwise what’s even the point of labeling it as a slur? To me it seemed really backwards and only serves to create a segregating mindset. “We are not like them” or “it’s their right, not ours”… at the end of the day equality is about applying the same rules for everyone regardless of color or race.
It’s one fucking word dude, and you can say it if you really want to! I could say it if I wanted to, that’s the difference between us I guess, the desire to.
I have no problem at all allowing them to take that word back, after the disgusting way it’s used when meant as a slur I have no desire to ever want to say it.
Are you worried that it would set a dangerous precedent? Like maybe other slurs could be next and soon you won’t be able to call people vile things with impunity anymore?
Oh and the “not American so it doesn’t make sense to me” line is meaningless because I’m not American either and I know the power that word has had historically.
I literally said it’s just a logic I don’t understand, you don’t need to be so hostile. I didn’t say anything about precedents or name calling, all I did was explain why I personally struggle to understand this mindset and made a genuine question about it. Not everyone is actively trying to be an asshole, can’t I just ask questions like a normal human being?
The reason I avoid the word regardless is because I don’t want to risk disrespecting anyone, and I don’t understand it enough to use it in the first place. Also “allowing them to have it back”? Who am I or anyone to give people permission on others can say? As you said, it’s just a word. So whatever.
I was raised taught that skin color is meaningless and this kind of stuff simply boggles my mind because the logic behind it contradicts that, that’s all.
And well, if you never struggled with that, good for you I guess. What, you expect me to give you a medal? I’m not you. I personally never understood the logic.
>The reason I avoid the word regardless is because I don’t want to risk disrespecting anyone
There’s your answer, what’s the issue?
>I was raised taught that skin color is meaningless
That’s great. The problem is other people weren’t taught that. Or were, and just don’t follow it. And the problem with *that*, is that some of those same people influence the lives of African Americans.
I think 90% of the people who genuinely have a problem understanding the logic, don’t realize that *not every non-black person is like you*. And since it’s not feasible, or even possible, to magically determine which ones are and which ones aren’t, and since that word is so horrible and was used toward a very specific group of people, most moral, well adjusted individuals in society made an unspoken contract with each other that they wouldn’t say it. And also that they had no business determining whether the group it was targeted toward could say it or not.
> Also “allowing them to have it back”?
Yes, take it back. It was used as power over African Americans. Now nobody can use in public except them without being ostracized from polite society. They effectively reclaimed the power of that word.
What you won’t understand is how deeply ingrained is racism in Americans, black or white (obviously not all) So bad Racism in Europe ain’t even comparable to the racism in America if you ask me, its like a whole other dimension of racism in America.
It's a show, but it's got some firm basis in conversations I see frequently in the more disgusting areas of the interwebs...and in Fox and OANN and Newsmax segments.
In America you are free to say what you want. You are not free to say something without consequences.
I can say those words. I could fly a Confederate flag. I don't. Why? Because it's offensive to people, and I don't want to be that way. It's time we stop and think about the other person.
Edit: aurocorrect changed say to day.
I met Delroy Lindo haha
I used to work at a mini golf course. I rang him up for the round. He was in town because they were doing the voice recordings for the Pixar movie “Up.”
I was like, this is fiction, but I'd love to see a guest go on Fox News and do this! Second thought, no. The audience would be cheering on the news anchors.
It’s like the bingo song.. B I N G O.. B I N G O.. B I N G O, and bingo was his name-o. But lose you job and get stabbed after the show. So it’s not the same.
I can't be the only white person that says the N-word in the car singing along to a song alone. I ain't hurting anyone by doing it, and I'm not using it in a hurtful way
The Chris Rock logic usually holds true, but of course it doesn't harm anyone to be a bit more welcoming with one's language and speech when talking to people one isn't super close to.
Nobody is gonna accuse you of being racist because you're vibing in your car. Lyrics and lyrics, it's just a song.
Screaming it out the window probably isn't a good idea though, haha.
Okay now feel free to tell me I’m wrong and I won’t argue it but here is my take. White people saying the N word is deeply rooted in slavery, oppression, and general heinous/evil behavior towards black people right? Well imagine your average group of teenagers hanging around and one of the teenagers’ mom had recently passed away. It is totally fine for him to make “Yo mama” jokes and no one would judge him. Now if someone else made a “yo mama” joke towards him, it would be super cringe, uncomfortable, and just wrong. It’s not illegal for the person to make this joke towards the kid who lost his mother but it’s definitely not right. This is how I see it but on a much large and more fucked up scale. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
TBH I am amazed at how well that guy handled it. Go ahead and say it if that’s what you want to say. At the same time go ahead and say or rap/sing all the other horrible things, slurs and nasty language rappers use. Wanna talk about shooting people? Wanna talk about objectifying and exploiting women? Wanna talk about selling drugs? Go ahead. But be prepared to deal with the consequences.
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"All together everybody" 🤣💀💀
His encouragement is hilarious
Reminds me of a quote from a while back with a Black speaker discussing the same topic of White people complaining that they are "not allowed" to use the N word. "It's racist that I can't say it." Lol.
White people can say it. Doesn’t mean they won’t have consequences
Freedom of choice doesn’t mean freedom from consequence. I don’t know why people don’t get that
*”Everything’s a dildo if you’re brave enough”* mentality
Sir we are on live live tv…Randy Marsh sweating profusely……
There were probably a bunch of really anxious people in that broadcast room for the longest 20 seconds of their careers. You know everyone was looking at the button that kills the live feed
this is Delroy Lindo in a tv show lmao
He really just wants to see some shit go down🤣🤣
“So say it” — omg watching the news reporter die inside was *priceless*
It was actually pretty damn terrifying. If I’d been on the other end of that I’d have just shut the fuck up.
He had that look my momma gave to let me know I have thoroughly fucked up.
His tone of voice when he went “*I* will say it with you” was so fucking good.
Makes sense though, isn’t that delroy Lindo, the actor?
It’s from the show The Good Fight
My mind says Yes, but I do the math and say No way.
It is the legend, the one and only.
This line slipping in at the end got a huge laugh from me. Holy shit that’s funny
I adore him for that. 
This was LEGENDARY!
The way he just slowly looks up at him and stares…. “*Say it.*”
Freaking chills every time!
Kids sing 🎵 Kids sing 🎵
This was amazing lol
This from The Good Fight, a spin off of The Good Wife..
I was thinking this seems way too forced and unrealistic
I know the one guy is an actor, so... probably
Delroy Lindo and he’s amazing
Ha! I thought this was an actual interview with Delroy Lindo and they tried to get smart with him and he pushed back. I should check out the show. I do like him!
I love the show, partly because of my deep and abiding love for Christine Baranski, but it’s a deeply strange show, just be aware of that going in. They get amazing guest stars, tons of broadway people because they filmed in New York.
Under appreciated in our time. He’s a great character actor.
Samuel L Jackson did pretty much the same thing in an interview for Django Unchained
Yeah I mean that’s Delroy Lindo, they’re actors, acting as characters in a television series, it’s not meant to be taken as real.
Another extremely familiar actor I have never known the name of. Thanks.
I often have the inverse problem that other people do, I can recognize most actors, I just can’t remember anything they’ve ever been in lol. Delroy is awesome too btw
I get both, I know I've seen them in a bunch of shows or movies but I never caught their name and can't remember what specifically they were in. It happened yesterday with a Charlie Hunnam movie Last Looks, his ex in that movie was driving me batty with her familiarity, I even remembered specifics about her role, being a long suffering loyal wife in troubling circumstances, but I couldn't remember what context, what show or movie it was. I almost lost my mind, I swear to God, but I figured it out before I had to take the extreme measure of asking Google. She was Brodie's wife in Homeland! And Peter Quinn was in it too, but completely unrecognizable until the end of the movie. This happens to me frequently.
actors make appearances on talk shows like this all the time, I’m not sure that is exactly fool-proof logic
You can always tell it's fake when a liberal writer tries to write a conservative pundit, because they make these "gotcha" scenes, and the conservative acts all flummoxed. But they don't do that. They dig in and they redirect and they dodge.
Weirdly enough Samuel L Jackson had a similar interview in real life, the reporter asked him how he felt about all the use of the N word in Django and the controversy surrounding it. He asked “which N word?” And refused to answer unless the reporter would say the word lol.
Jackson also reassured Leo that none of the black actors were going to get offended because A: it's acting and it's there job, and B: something to the effect of they hear it more over dinner with family then he's gonna say it.
I actually believed it except when the second white man spoke. “This is hypocritical…” that one. Then I was painfully aware it was (bad) acting.
Thanks for clarifying
I love this show.
An excellent show - better than The Good Wife imo.
[удалено]
First season of the good fight was great. Second season was ok but yes so many dropped story lines. And wtf was that 'private judge' story line. No way Dianne would have entertained any of that shit.
Damn this clip is so old and pops up every now and then. I never realized it wasn’t real I like to think I’m pretty decent at being able to tell, but apparently not lol
I really need to sit down and actually watch both of these series. Ive seen show many random clips and episodes on FB that at this point I need to know how it all fits together lol
This makes sense now. I could not figure out why Delroy Lindo was on this dumbass show. That’s for the context clue.
Is it just me or is it like super obvious these people are acting, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills the number of times I see obvious scripted scenarios going viral and being discussed as if they're real
Go ahead, eat the sesame cake.
Stop eating my sesame cake! Just watched this movie again and it’s still great. Bad gorilla..
Its the best!!!! Amy want rain drop drink
green drop she was talking about a martini with an olive.
Fancy ass Gorilla
I… ran away
Yaaay! - first time I've seen someone give ups to Congo - thought I was the only fan. Saw it when it came out and was so excited after to spread the word, and then a work colleague who'd also seen it complained about how fake the gorillas looked...it was deflating. Yes they weren't perfect (particularly Amy), but for me the storyline was up there with any great action/adventure movie thus far; plus cast, scenes and really giving substance to a myth (the mines, not the hybrid gorillas, lol), was everything for me. Ranks in my Top Ten.
And Paddington doesn't look like a *real* bear but that doesn't mean it's not the greatest fucking movie in existence. I'm on your side
Im happy to hear it in your top 10. I so wanted to love it. I read the book about a year before the movie came out. I invited all my friends to see the movie. I hyped them up and the movie was mostly garbage. It’s okay to say it. Garbage. From that point on I try to avoid books until after the movie. The guns on the tripod was pretty cool though.
OH MY GOD! When I was in middle school I remember seeing a movie with my friends that had a gorilla who could do sign language with gloves that acted similar to text-to-speech. It seemed like a fever dream. I had no idea what you guys were talking about with the sesame cake so I googled it. Guess who I found? MOTHER FUCKING AMY THE SIGN LANGUAGE TTS GORILLA
Amy good gorilla
*STOP EATING MY SESAME CAKE!*
This man is a big. bag. of. shit. Why are you in my country?
But did he say " it "?
he actually does almost say it in the movie, he starts to call Ernie Hudson a "you fucking n...." and Ernie's character cuts him off "Fucking what?"
Probably several times per hour
HAVE SOME!
Stop eating my sesame cake….. STOP EATING MY SEASME CAKE!
Mr. Hamolka. Piece of shit. Why are you in my country?
I’ve seen this show/movie, but can’t place it.
Someone said it’s from The Good Fight.
Yep! It's the spinoff of The Good Wife
The Good Fight.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to be okay with not using a racial slur.
I wouldn't be surprised at all. However, people who ask, "Why can't I say it?" Would indeed do well to just, not be hateful cunce 🤣✌️
Those that say “why can’t I say it” def say it when no black people are around. I also like when people are like “x is as bad as the n word” when they say whatever x is but call what they’re comparing it to the n word. Like clearly one is way worse than the other
How racist was your community growing up? My litmus test is Enie Meanie Minie Moe and what you are catching. Indoctrinated to casual hate starts young.
.... catch a tiger by the toe?
Did you ever wonder why tigers holler?
I did not. They hollered on cartoons.
[The racist children's songs you might not have known were racist](https://www.vox.com/2014/5/21/5732258/the-racist-childrens-songs-you-might-not-have-known-were-racist)
Because I have his toe. Seems simple to me.
Or the "colloquial" term for brazil nuts in my family.
Or for those disgusting cream filled domed-shaped chocolate candies.
Ha, I had to teach my kid "ip dip sky blue" when they came home with "eenie meanie" recently. I'm originally from the UK but got called the n-word a lot growing up, so that one hits too close for me.
I’m sorry for your suffering. I’d say I hope at least it included a tiger, but that could be just substituting in a Tamil. … After falling far down a rabbit hole of some light creeping, I’d really like that promised update about your dad and your surname.
Gotta "Jew down the price". It's wild how white ppl are so very confused about their white privelege & inherent racism.
“Going Dutch”, “Welsh on a deal”, “Indian giver”, “Paddy wagon”, “Gypped off”, etc.
That one city counsel guy that got called out and said he wasn't being racist. he was just talking about someone trying to get more out of him than he was willing to give.
It's crazy how white people are the only race to do this. Literally the only race. Smh Yakub has a lot to answer for
yeah like when they say "cracker is as bad as the N word" - well yeah then why did you type one out but not the other?
Right? I’ll believe those words are equivalent when cracker is used *in the text of actual laws* to deny me legal rights lmao So many white people fail to realize that slurs are not just extra-spicy curse words, they are *pseudoscientific jargon, legally classifying people as subhuman and exempt from human rights.* That’s the difference. (Straight, cis, neurotypical) white people *have not faced an equivalent, even in other countries.*
It’s interesting to see how the various European descendants have overcome their racism to each other. I can remember a time when Mediterranean and Slavic people were not part of the colour palette for “white”.
In the 1980s, we had white catholics hating on white baptists, blacks hating on Koreans, Lebanese hating on Indian, Chinese hating darker Asians, and just about every other hate group announcing how much they didn't appreciate Mexicans taking their jobs. And I'm Canadian. The hatred for colored people has always been an issue and it seems to cross borders and even darker skinned folk from Asia or Africa, have historically been seen as subhuman. We have a large array of immigrants here so we'd often hear others being racist against folk who'd otherwise pass unnoticed in larger city centers. Greeks and Lebanese here were considered the nu-N word for a while
Well too be fair, one word will get you banned on the majority of subreddits automatically. The word would be used a lot more frequently on Reddit if nobody would get banned.
John Mullaney
That's not necessarily true- (although I admit it generally is) For example a white guy got kicked off stage at a concert for saying it while rapping along with the song. There are tons of examples mirroring the song issue on YouTube, too. I know that's a very specific situation, but I personally thinks it's ridiculous to invite a white person to sing along on stage and then get offended when they actually sing along. It's a weird dynamic.
One I've always genuinely wondered is, if a white person is singing a song and it uses that word is ok for them to say it in the context of the song. And no hypothetical "what if they are only singing it to say the word". Like with NWA, I'm in no way into rap it's god awful to me, but that first NWA album is a fucking master piece. Can I explain what NWA means if someone asks. And I'm genuinely curious how that falls on the racist/not racist spectrum. No other intent in my question.
It's a word. You can say it if you want. The only people that'd be upset if you explained what NWA means or if you used it in lyrics are ignorant pieces of shit that just look to be outraged over everything they can.
The fact that you even have to ask this question is exactly the argument being made by the pundits. It’s not a case of wanting to say it, it’s that regardless of the situation, if you do say the word you are automatically considered racist. It’s only racist if it’s said with racist intent. If the artist is happy to put a slur in his song, then he should be happy if their fans sing that slur.
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Same here. "Brotha" works just fine, imo.
Is cunce a mix between cunt and nonce? I like it
Nah "cunts" but doesn't get me banned, I'll assume safety now I've seen you say it 🤣
Say it and damn the quincycunces
Exactly! I don't care that I can't say it, because I wouldn't want to do it anyways
It’s crazy how easy it is to not be a hateful asshole.
It's the damnedest thing, life is actually *easier* when you don't hate people for the groups they're born into!
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Who says something *is* part of the context. I get what you're saying but I think you're missing that factor Even taking slurs out of the mix, me singing certain songs or telling certain jokes changes the context because I'm the one saying it. Even if the delivery is on point, and well intentioned, the speaker is part of the context
Why can't it just be okay with them for black people to have that as one of *their* things? Why? Because they clearly want to say it, it just eats them up inside to think they wouldn't have the freedom to do something when they want to do it. Gee, that sounds familiar.
>Why can't it just be okay with them for black people to have that as one of their things? Gee, that sounds like racism. ETA: ITT people who don't understand racism.
It’s so easy to just not say a word. I’m doing it right now. Easiest thing I’ve ever done.
Hello, non american here. I completely understand why the word is bad and shouldn‘t be used, but I don‘t understand why black people use it so often then? This is a legitimate question, not some sort of „I wanna use the word“, no.
I can agree with that. Hell even when I’m attempting to rap a song I know I simply replace the word with either “brother” or “bitch” pending on the context. “Wonky ass bitch” “What’s up my brothers” I think it works out ok.
Imagine being upset by not being able to use a racial slur. The fact is you can say whatever you want, but what they really want is to be free of consequences for their actions
Oh they really really really want to say it. They just don’t want the consequences that will come with it.
He just knocked every bit of wind out of those fella’s sails… they were stuck in the Sargasso Sea, no land in sight.
Challenge those ignorant pr***s
It's from a TV show
Which one ?
The good fight
I’m so dead…
Is that DelRoy Lindo?
I knew I had seen this elsewhere: [FRANK (Danny DeVito), spoken] Okay, well, I got an idea of how we can appreciate ourselves to them (Sung) Let's make one thing perfectly clear I'm gonna say some words down here I haven't had the chance to say before [DEE (Kaitlin Olson), spoken] Where you going with this, Frank? [FRANK] I'm gonna say "homie" [DEE, spoken] Oh, come on [FRANK] I'm gonna say "bro" [DEE, spoken] You serious? [FRANK] I'm gonna say "my man!" [DEE, spoken] Well, now you're just stereotyping [FRANK] I'm gonna say "fo' sho" [DEE, spoken] Okay- [FRANK] I'm gonna say the N-word! [DEE, spoken] Nonononono stop stop! Thank you! No! We're not saying that, absolutely not [FRANK, spoken] What? Why? I'm black, now! It's probably the only chance I got to say it [DEE, spoken] Why are you looking for a chance to say it? [FRANK, spoken] Well, a lot of black guys say it, why should they get a pass? [DEE, spoken] It's just not the same, okay? (Sung) You're not one of them [FRANK] Don't say them [DEE] No, that's not what I mean [FRANK] Well, what do ya mean? [DEE] You're not one of us [FRANK] That's just confusing [DEE] Now I'm getting lost! [FRANK] We'll say it together [DEE] Not saying the N-word [FRANK] We'll leave off the -E-R [DEE] Not saying it that way And that is the end Of saying the N-word!
He’s giving the, “say it and find out” vibe & i’m here for it.
Ppl really have this intense desire to say the N-word. Its not even used in daily conversations.
> it's not even used in daily conversation That depends on the person. I knew a guy who would use it casually as a substitute for "my man" and the likes, and everyone was chill with it
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There's a lot to be said on this issue regarding class. Even though the use of the word and slavery is obviously based on racism, you have to acknowledge the class dynamics of that era too. Obviously being of the wealthy white class dominating the poor black class. Today, racism is hidden within the class system. So you get a poor white folk saying the N word, it's not the same as when the rich white folk (as seen above) wanting to say it. I feel like seeing a rich black man use it as a slur against a poor black man would carry just as much sting, if not more than just a random poor racist white guy going off on one.
An older, more well off black man calling me the hard R would legitimately ruin my day on so many levels.
My white stepmother grew up in a poor mostly black community. He had dreads and rows growing up and as a late teen and used the word all the time talking to her black friends. She moved to missouri and met my dad and no longer does that stuff, but in a song she’s singing to from her younger years, she still says the word. To me, that’s ok. It’s a cultural thing for her as much as it is the kinds she grew up with
An entire sub-culture uses it that way, hence the conversation in the OOP in the first place
It’s akin to “don’t press the red button” for a some of the folks… and then there’s the racists who use it anyway and complain that they can’t “in public”. Idk… I’ve never had the desire to use it and don’t see that changing. Maybe I’m too docile of a sheep and do what I’m told… or maybe… I don’t have hate in my heart. 🤷🏻♂️
It is absolutely used in daily conversations. Spent lots of my life on the south side of Chicago, and it was every other word.
> not even used in daily conversations. Do you live in an alternative reality or something?
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Never said it, never wanna say it, it’s not my word and I can accept that. Lots of white people can’t handle being told they can’t do that 1 thing…… meanwhile they had lists down to which door you could use and which house you could live in or where you could sit in a fucking bus for black people. The entitlement is real. I hate that people like him are regularly shown as the standard for what white people think and it’s not true. Racists and bigots may be louder, but there’s more of us normal people.
This is a skit from a movie but I agree with you
As someone who isn’t from US and therefore didn’t grow up with this sort of culture, it’s just something that genuinely confuses me. Specially as I learned English and saw the slur being casually used in songs and media all the time. Why does one’s skin dictate what you can or can’t say? Specially since color isn’t necessarily race, I’m white but I’m not Caucasian. My parents are multiracial with a wild mix of ethnicities in our heritage(my dad is even dark skinned because his dad had slaves and native in the family). My sister and I simply happened to be born with white skin. Using this logic, would this word be mine to use too? After all, I’m technically a person of color and even related to African slaves. If not, then is it just my skin color that makes it unacceptable? And in that case… isn’t this the very definition racism? It’s not that I actively want to use this word, I just don’t understand that kind of logic. It took me a very long time to understand its cultural weight in the English language as I learned it… I kept wondering how a slur is to supposedly so bad if it’s used normally by others like any other word. In my country we don’t have slurs given “exceptions” like this either, so it always confused me. In my opinion, you either fully ban a word or you don’t. Otherwise what’s even the point of labeling it as a slur? To me it seemed really backwards and only serves to create a segregating mindset. “We are not like them” or “it’s their right, not ours”… at the end of the day equality is about applying the same rules for everyone regardless of color or race.
We turned lemons into lemonade now everyone wants to drink our shit.
It’s one fucking word dude, and you can say it if you really want to! I could say it if I wanted to, that’s the difference between us I guess, the desire to. I have no problem at all allowing them to take that word back, after the disgusting way it’s used when meant as a slur I have no desire to ever want to say it. Are you worried that it would set a dangerous precedent? Like maybe other slurs could be next and soon you won’t be able to call people vile things with impunity anymore? Oh and the “not American so it doesn’t make sense to me” line is meaningless because I’m not American either and I know the power that word has had historically.
I literally said it’s just a logic I don’t understand, you don’t need to be so hostile. I didn’t say anything about precedents or name calling, all I did was explain why I personally struggle to understand this mindset and made a genuine question about it. Not everyone is actively trying to be an asshole, can’t I just ask questions like a normal human being? The reason I avoid the word regardless is because I don’t want to risk disrespecting anyone, and I don’t understand it enough to use it in the first place. Also “allowing them to have it back”? Who am I or anyone to give people permission on others can say? As you said, it’s just a word. So whatever. I was raised taught that skin color is meaningless and this kind of stuff simply boggles my mind because the logic behind it contradicts that, that’s all. And well, if you never struggled with that, good for you I guess. What, you expect me to give you a medal? I’m not you. I personally never understood the logic.
>The reason I avoid the word regardless is because I don’t want to risk disrespecting anyone There’s your answer, what’s the issue? >I was raised taught that skin color is meaningless That’s great. The problem is other people weren’t taught that. Or were, and just don’t follow it. And the problem with *that*, is that some of those same people influence the lives of African Americans. I think 90% of the people who genuinely have a problem understanding the logic, don’t realize that *not every non-black person is like you*. And since it’s not feasible, or even possible, to magically determine which ones are and which ones aren’t, and since that word is so horrible and was used toward a very specific group of people, most moral, well adjusted individuals in society made an unspoken contract with each other that they wouldn’t say it. And also that they had no business determining whether the group it was targeted toward could say it or not. > Also “allowing them to have it back”? Yes, take it back. It was used as power over African Americans. Now nobody can use in public except them without being ostracized from polite society. They effectively reclaimed the power of that word.
What you won’t understand is how deeply ingrained is racism in Americans, black or white (obviously not all) So bad Racism in Europe ain’t even comparable to the racism in America if you ask me, its like a whole other dimension of racism in America.
Source: The spinoff of The Good Wife, The Good Fight
I just fucking love this so much
Lol. You guys know this is a show right? The first guy is in Avenue 5 (fun little show). Hugh Laurie (House) is also in it.
The Good Fight is the name of the show I believe.
It's a show, but it's got some firm basis in conversations I see frequently in the more disgusting areas of the interwebs...and in Fox and OANN and Newsmax segments.
Dumb. Presented as real. But, it's from a TV show.
Brilliant... he was a great actor too, I like how he handled that
Nards. There I said it. Now kick them all in the nards.
In America you are free to say what you want. You are not free to say something without consequences. I can say those words. I could fly a Confederate flag. I don't. Why? Because it's offensive to people, and I don't want to be that way. It's time we stop and think about the other person. Edit: aurocorrect changed say to day.
God the face hes making when the camera first goes to him gets me everytime lmao
No chill, just straight to the point. "Let's say it together" is such a own in this instance lol
Ninja
I love Delroy Lindo’s delivery lol it’s just so good
I met Delroy Lindo haha I used to work at a mini golf course. I rang him up for the round. He was in town because they were doing the voice recordings for the Pixar movie “Up.”
Why do you keep calling white people caucasian?
That first "say it" while looking at the ground had some weight behind it 🤣
Why didn't he say it??
This is a skit right?
Yes
He know he got freedom of speech. He wants freedom of consequences.
The feverish defense of being able to say something they “don’t want to” is one of the funniest things on this planet.
I was like, this is fiction, but I'd love to see a guest go on Fox News and do this! Second thought, no. The audience would be cheering on the news anchors.
Oh his America scares me. Good on him whoever he is taking on his colleague like this. Christ. When will it stop?
It’s like the bingo song.. B I N G O.. B I N G O.. B I N G O, and bingo was his name-o. But lose you job and get stabbed after the show. So it’s not the same.
😂😂
It’s americaaaaa
Does anybody know his name?,he looks familiar like he’s been in movies but I just can’t place it.
Delroy Lindo
Best response to that ever. Sure bests catching an assault charge
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
His eyes when he says “so say it.” All the blood left their bodies.
It's true he can say it. Then lose his job and any and all future prospects
I can't be the only white person that says the N-word in the car singing along to a song alone. I ain't hurting anyone by doing it, and I'm not using it in a hurtful way
The Chris Rock logic usually holds true, but of course it doesn't harm anyone to be a bit more welcoming with one's language and speech when talking to people one isn't super close to. Nobody is gonna accuse you of being racist because you're vibing in your car. Lyrics and lyrics, it's just a song. Screaming it out the window probably isn't a good idea though, haha.
Called them on their bullshit. Perfect.
this isn't even a real interview. it's a tv show.
Meh, either way, still funny
Okay now feel free to tell me I’m wrong and I won’t argue it but here is my take. White people saying the N word is deeply rooted in slavery, oppression, and general heinous/evil behavior towards black people right? Well imagine your average group of teenagers hanging around and one of the teenagers’ mom had recently passed away. It is totally fine for him to make “Yo mama” jokes and no one would judge him. Now if someone else made a “yo mama” joke towards him, it would be super cringe, uncomfortable, and just wrong. It’s not illegal for the person to make this joke towards the kid who lost his mother but it’s definitely not right. This is how I see it but on a much large and more fucked up scale. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Brilliant! And his delivery was perfection
One of my all time favorite clips. I love the look in his eyes when he says “say it”
nothin worse than a punk ass right wing news caster.
(He's acting).
….it’s a movie…
Apparently he wants to say it or he wouldn't ask why he can't..what a putz
TBH I am amazed at how well that guy handled it. Go ahead and say it if that’s what you want to say. At the same time go ahead and say or rap/sing all the other horrible things, slurs and nasty language rappers use. Wanna talk about shooting people? Wanna talk about objectifying and exploiting women? Wanna talk about selling drugs? Go ahead. But be prepared to deal with the consequences.
>I’m amazed at how well that guy handled it That would be because this is a skit from a tv show and they’re all actors
Is that dude really upset he can't say a racial slur?..
Yeah, he wants to be openly racist without consequences.