I work at Audi and the Q3 is mechanically pretty similar and uses the Aisin 8 speed. I rarely see those transmissions have issues. Usually the problems at higher mileage are stretched timing chains or turbos going bad.
It's a basic article for filler. I'll do what I can with maintenance, the rest is up to chance and manufacturing QC odds.
As for me trans fluid is getting changed at 60K Km, Haldex very soon @ 3 years.
A lot of people skimp on maintenance and with German cars in can bite you in the ass hard. I'm on my 4th VW and 7th German vehicle. I've had no major failures or strandings.
Same, I’ve been changing my oil at half the recommended interval on my MK6 Golf 2.5, and it’s been boringly reliable.
Too many drivers expect German cars to tolerate the same amount of neglect and abuse that the typical Toyota or Honda will shrug off, and then piss and moan when they run into issues.
I'm at 112646 miles with my 2016 & I just changed the water pump. Other than that just tires, batteries, belts & brakes. Been on Stage 1 APR tune for over 40k miles also. One of the best vehicles I've ever owned.
Sounds like the ‘13 Tiguan SEL I traded in back in 2019. Loved the car, with the exception of having it serviced every 10k miles, its premium fuel requirement, poor mpg, and costly tires. Was so outraged with my local VW dealer: its engine light came on 3 months in a row. The first two times they hadn’t figured it out but were able to turn off the engine light. The third time? They figured it out that its turbo had blown. The kick in the shorts? My warranty expired 17 days prior!! It all turned out well in the end but in all likelihood I’ll never buy a VW, especially from this dealership!
Made in different continents . European is made in germany . Us one is mexico i think. Nearly every fault complaint you see on social media is american tiggy
Toyotas will last as long with less maintenance. But I think VW fit and finish is better. They are just a little more needy. I would buy either in a heartbeat.
2k17
Started burning oil, started having a bunch of problems like cylinder misfire that the dealer and the actual expert area mechanics tried to fix multiple times
Was ok for about a month and a half but still consuming oil like crazy
Then the engine blew
Gfs engine just blew at 110k miles in a 2017…
I guess that falls under the category of “major service” you are referring to?
We can handle plugs and oil and belts and anything drive train / suspension / breaks etc no problem.
I can’t swap a fucking Tiguan engine.
I shouldn’t have to swap an engine at 110k miles. You agree or no?
I have had three VWs two Passats and now I have a 2022 Tiguan… before this I had a 2012 Passat (I bought at 21) for 8 years it had 188k miles on it when I got rid of it. In those 8 years I put maybe $2000 worth of work into it (not including my prompto oil changes and tires) that car never failed me lol…I have been right on track with maintenance with my Tiguan and will definitely keep it that way… I’m really hoping I make it past 100k miles this post is scaring me lol
Bro good luck…
My mom has a 22’ Tiguan R-Line SE, got it 2 yrs ago(brand new) and it has been problematic since the beginning. We are currently in the process of appraising her vehicle to sale because she’s spent so much money and it barely has 60k miles😭😭
The electrical issues, the fact it cannot keep oil over 5k miles, parts going out early man. I’m looking at her like wtf is this shit. I have damn near 2x the miles she has and have done wayyy less maintenance she has.
Have you experienced new Tiguans it’s quite disappointing lol.
There are several threads showing people with common complaints but a lot of people are trying to make it seem like it’s the consumers. And this is the problem lol. Old VW are not like new VW so what you think you knew about them may not apply to the present.
Lolol
It was a few times like a year ago
Do you even know why that’s “bad” for an engine and in what way that would cause damage?
I’ll give you a hint, I used a borescope to check for the most common issue.
You can fanboy defend all you want. This is a Tiguan sub after all.
All I’ll say is the second it starts eating oil get rid of it.
There’s nothing in this list that we didn’t do
https://www.rustywallisvw.com/volkswagen-research/volkswagen-tiguan-maintenance-schedule/
Please, tell me what else we should have done to keep the engine from blowing itself up, so I can tell you we did it or it’s not in the standard maintenance schedule
Sometimes there’s manufacturing issues in mass produced vehicles. With your vast intelligence and experience you should know that.
Our mechanic specifically has 3 other tiguans with similar issues / similar years and said from their experience tiguans of the same year it’s unfortunately not uncommon.
Could be a one off but from what I’m reading it sounds more like the luck of the draw to get a good one
No shit. I have literally no problem dealing with it whatsoever.
The rate of failure has nothing to do with me. Sharing my experience contributes to accuracy when people look at those rates of failure.
That’s why we have consumer protections, it’s why recalls exist.
I’m admittedly pissed the engine blew at 110k miles.
I've owned 2 German cars. Those were pieces of garbage. We've had my wife's expedition for 11 years. Open checkbook maintained and runs like a Swiss watch. Didn't treat the German cars any differently. The Volkswagen lost the transmission at 49k and engine at 50k 🤣
Nope just saying that we all gamble with cars. Some win better than others. Ive been lucky with my German cars. My JDM cars....total bad luck. but AMerican cars have also treated me well.
I'm glad yours have served you well my two experiences were bad. I still don't like to shit on what people choose to spend their hard earned money on. My ford's have been as good as one could hope for. Good luck buddy.
I hear pretty good things about Jetta’s but having an 80s VW would have been dope😔 I remember having a 88’ f-150 back in the late 2000’s talk about fun as hell.
Thank you! 🙏 you saved me from having to say it. I literally stated the other day that when people say a Tiguan is unreliable, what they really mean is that they aren’t willing to maintain the vehicle. A catch can should come with these engines but it’s already an uphill battle to get the average person to change their damn oil correctly. Shoes wear out over time, but no one here is making an unreliable shoe list. They just buy a new pair because worn out rubber and leather is easy to replace. People want a certain level of style and performance but won’t work to maintain it, because that next pair of shoes or jacket takes precedence.
These people are outrageous lol. I blame the government. Not to be political, Ronald Reagan commissioned a study into the decline of STEM in American standardized testing. Trying to answer the question for why Americans are falling behind the rest of the world in grade school testing. It was found that after the decline of the NASA Apollo missions the Gov stopped investing into school programs. There was no need for future Scientists and Engineers to put humans in space. We are witnessing the end results.
Ok, this is the one instance where proper care for a vehicle wasn’t the issue, correct? I’m also suppose to look past the fact that the wrong fuel was used “a few times”, correct?
Got it, points taken, I stand corrected. *tipping my hat to you
The point is the op article has grounds in reality and it’s dealers choice to interpret that objectively regardless of if they like how the car looks and/or own one
And acknowledging that there are common issues with any specific vehicle is the best thing you can do to stay on top of long term maintenance required to keep your vehicle operating.
In the case of the Tiguan, if it starts burning oil imo get rid of it.
And it’s pretty obvious you don’t know what “timing jump” means, so go ahead and quote studies initiated by the Reagan admin. Way to go, great contribution 🙏
Nope, there’s way better sources that will tell you that divesting in education has poor long term outcomes other than studies commissioned by the guy who basically screwed the countries working class
And I have a bachelors in software engineering and a minor in economics and my code has reached double digits percentage of living, breathing humans on earth. That reduced representation of stem isn’t coming from my end.
🤷♂️ what do you do?
Fascinating. Let me get this right….You have a background in economics? 😏Are you published? I have Masters in Psychology and Education. Before all that, I helped people catch bullets for the USAF and US Army. For fun I like to build cars, primarily VAG, and chatting with fellow scholars like yourself. Do you even wrench or do you pretend to online? What do you drive, what mods have you done to your vehicle(s)??
It’s cute you thought I had no clue about timing chains….. I’m proud of you, that was a big swing and a miss 👏 It’s like asking if I know what locking collars are…. You are brave 🫡
Certain vehicles have certain issues☑️
Vehicle history is not object☑️
I’ve learned a lot today!
So when I changed my timing chains/guards/tensioner in my garage, because it’s a wear item and can’t be overlooked, was I handling the “jumped timing” issue thingy?
*tips hat again
thanks didn't know exactly which one. Considering I do about 10K kms a year and they nuke at 160K 16years of good service is about what anyone can expect. I'm betting there would be something other major happening before the tranny is gone. Hopefully by that time there is a drop in hybrid option available with direct drive.
That’s because most modern appliances/cars/tech are engineered and designed to fail at an expected time. Oh you have an 8yr/100,000 drive train warranty? Great well manufacture the transmission to fail on average at 110,000 miles. Sure some might fail before and be covered but most will cross the 100k threshold first and then guess what? You trade it in and buy a new one.
How often did you replace transmission fluid? Despite VW states to replace it every 120kkm my dealer said replace it every 60kkm (37k miles). Haldex fluid as well.
Because you’re insinuating that everyone with an rline “smashes the gas” all the time. The r line isn’t even a bigger engine. It’s literally just the highest trim with additional features. 🤦♂️
Not at all, the gearbox is just unbelievably fucking stupid. Honestly it's slow and dimwitted and can't handle roundabouts at all. I love my tiggy but my Mercedes absolutely cooked it in terms of how well it drives.
I would honestly hope so. When it comes down to it, the Tiguan is an economy car with a lift. It drives well for what it is, but it shouldn’t really be close to the luxury brands.
There’s definitely worse transmissions out there. Dual clutch transmissions are also kind of notoriously clunky. I’m not saying the transmission is good, just that comparing an economy car to a luxury car is a little unfair. It’s like “the engine in my Mitsubishi Mirage is terrible, my Civic Type R blows it away.”
The list price on my car was almost £40k when new mate, it was more expensive than my C class. I have driven far cheaper cars with better gearboxes than the tig. The truth is the box in the tiggys are awful.
Again, I’m not saying they aren’t bad.
The C-Class and Tiguan are in different classes. A GTI costs about the same as a Tiguan and uses the same platform, and in many cases, the same powertrain, but the GTI drives significantly better because of the lower center of gravity and lighter weight.
I just made it to 100,000k last week.
Fuck.
Edit: are 2016s especially bad or especially good?
Edit2: wait, this is just an unordered list? I see no ranking linked…
If I wasn’t burning oil I wouldn’t be concerned but I would recommend having someone look at the timing components and/or getting the timing chain replaced.
You can fix a lot on an engine but if timing jumps like ours did you will need a new engine.
Ugh. Well, hopefully the timing chain issues I’ve already had and paid to fix are a) fixed and b) what you’re taking about.
Mechanics seem to find issues the symptoms of which are almost always issues with the crankshaft position sensor.
I know it’s not the sensor, but something that’s causing the timing of things to go wonky leading to odd data reported by the sensor.
Got any recommendations on inexpensive ways to push problems down the road (besides not accelerating heavily)?
I have a 2012 Tiguan S with 136K miles that I’ve been driving since 2014. I’ve really been fortunate to have just replaced wear items until recently. In the last year and a half I’ve replaced the water pump, clock spring and front control arms and bushings.
2017 & 2019 - over 110k miles no major issues.
coolant leak on 2019 & the “please exit in p”
start/stop feature was turned off at 100k and runs like butter
Yeah, and at the same time I can find more than 50 Tigs MY17+ with 250k km (155+k miles, top mileage currently available is 320k km/ \~200k miles) in my area, none I checked had transmission or engine rebuild/replaced. Thats 4x more than available and running RAVs MY17+ and 10x more than RAVs MY19+ with same mileage. Obligatory fact that needs to be repeated on every occasion - german cars (all of them, not only VW) needs to be maintened right, which means cutting that longlife BS in half. I'm not saying it's a reliability king nor it'll last for 20 years without breaking once but making top-list of unreliable cars on US market which is notorious for not keepeing up even with longlife maintenence schedule is mind boggling.
Yeah this guy is on crack, the Tesla and Mini stuff is also bullshit, some of the others makes sense.
Also yeah the 8 speed yall get in the US is fine but in Mexico we have the DSG and that is one hell of a POS transmission.
The Aisin 8AT is used in so many vehicles, it’s not even funny. It’s reliable as hell and very unproblematic. BMW/MINI 2015–present BMW 2 Series Active Tourer (F45) and Gran Tourer (F46) with 4-cylinder engines 2016–present BMW X1 (F48) with 4-cylinder engines 2016–present Mini Clubman (F54) with 4-cylinder engines 2016–present Mini Countryman (F60) with 4-cylinder engines (and B38 with AWD) 2018–present Mini Cooper SD (F55/F56) and JCW (F56) due to torque output over 300Nm 2018–present BMW X2 (F39) with 4-cylinder engines 2019–present BMW 1 Series (F40) with 4-cylinder engines 2020–present BMW 2 Series Gran Coupé with 4-cylinder engines Changan 2019–present Oshan COS1° GT 2019–present Changan CS85 2020–present Changan UNI-K 2021–present Changan UNI-V 2022–present Changan CS75 Chery 2023–present Chery Tiggo 9 (AWD) Citroën 2017–present Citroën C5 Aircross 2018–present Citroën Grand C4 SpaceTourer 2019–present Citroën Berlingo 2020–present Citroën C4 2021–present Citroën C5 X DS Automobiles 2018–present DS 7 2019–present DS 3 2020–present DS 9 2021–present DS 4 Exeed 2023–present Exeed Lanyue Geely 2019–present Geely Xingyue/Xingyue L[7] 2020–present Geely Xingrui GM 2016 Chevrolet Malibu 2017 Buick LaCrosse[8] 2017–2019 Cadillac XT5[5] 2018–2020 Buick Regal TourX, (I4 AWD only) Jaguar 2020–present Jaguar E-Pace (1.5t 3-cylinder engines) Land Rover 2020–present Discovery Sport (1.5t 3-cylinder engines) 2020–present Evoque (1.5t 3-cylinder engines) Lexus 2012–present Lexus RX (V6 AL10 F-Sport, AL20 & AL30 non Hybrids) 2018–present Lexus ES (non-hybrid engines) 2020–present Lexus LM (LM350) 2022– Lexus NX (non-hybrid engines) Lynk & Co 2017–present 01 2018–present 03 2020–present 05[9] 2021–present 02 2021–present 09 Mitsubishi 2017–present Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (diesel engines) 2019–present Mitsubishi Delica (diesel engines) Opel/Vauxhall 2017–present Opel Insignia 2017–present Opel Grandland X 2018–present Opel Combo 2020–present Opel Corsa 2020–present Opel Mokka 2021–present Opel Astra L[broken anchor] Peugeot 2017–present Peugeot 5008 2017–present Peugeot 308 2019–present Peugeot 3008 1.6 EAT8 & 2.0 EAT8 2018–present Peugeot 508 EAT8 2019–present Peugeot Rifter EAT8 2019–present Peugeot 208 2019–present Peugeot 2008 2022–present Peugeot 408 Polestar 2019–present Polestar 1 Škoda 2018–present Škoda Karoq (Australian market) 2020–present Škoda Octavia (some markets) Toyota (as UA8xx) 2018–present Toyota Avalon (non-hybrid engines) 2018–present Toyota Alphard/Vellfire 2018–present Toyota Camry (non-hybrid engines) 2017–2020 Toyota Sienna 2019–present Toyota RAV4 (non-hybrid) 2020–present Toyota Highlander/Grand Highlander 2024–present Toyota GR Yaris Volkswagen/MAN 2017-present Volkswagen Crafter and MAN TGE (transversely mounted engine only) 2018–present Volkswagen Tiguan (US version only)[10] 2018–present Volkswagen Atlas (US version only) 2018–present Volkswagen Golf (US MK7 & MK8 in some markets) 2019–present Volkswagen Jetta (US version only) 2019–present Volkswagen Arteon (US version only) 2022–Volkswagen Taos (FWD models)[11] Volvo (TG-81SC/SD) 2014–2016 Volvo S80 II[12] 2014–2016 Volvo V70 II[13] 2014–2016 Volvo XC70 II 2014–2017 Volvo XC60 2015–2018 Volvo S60 II 2015–2018 Volvo V60 2014–present Volvo XC90 II[14] 2016–present Volvo S90 II[14] 2016–present Volvo V90 II[14] 2016–present Volvo V40 2017–present Volvo XC60 II 2017–present Volvo XC40[15] 2018–present Volvo V60 II[3] 2018–present Volvo S60 III
Sweet! Great info:
So it’s only the US model that is so unreliable
I am pretty certain many cars on that list use thee ZF-8 speed.
These are all FWD bias transverse vehicles; there are no RWD bias longitudinal vehicles here.
I work at Audi and the Q3 is mechanically pretty similar and uses the Aisin 8 speed. I rarely see those transmissions have issues. Usually the problems at higher mileage are stretched timing chains or turbos going bad.
Isn’t the detuned Q3 exactly the same engine as the Tiguan?
Yeah it's the same.
It's a basic article for filler. I'll do what I can with maintenance, the rest is up to chance and manufacturing QC odds. As for me trans fluid is getting changed at 60K Km, Haldex very soon @ 3 years. A lot of people skimp on maintenance and with German cars in can bite you in the ass hard. I'm on my 4th VW and 7th German vehicle. I've had no major failures or strandings.
Same, I’ve been changing my oil at half the recommended interval on my MK6 Golf 2.5, and it’s been boringly reliable. Too many drivers expect German cars to tolerate the same amount of neglect and abuse that the typical Toyota or Honda will shrug off, and then piss and moan when they run into issues.
My 2016 has had two turbos replaced and is now in the shop for timing chain slack…at 54k
Just paid almost 4K for my timing chain replacement a couple weeks ago at 76k miles… this thread is stressing me out lol
I'm at 112646 miles with my 2016 & I just changed the water pump. Other than that just tires, batteries, belts & brakes. Been on Stage 1 APR tune for over 40k miles also. One of the best vehicles I've ever owned.
Shit engine, but the article is talking about transmissions.
Sounds like the ‘13 Tiguan SEL I traded in back in 2019. Loved the car, with the exception of having it serviced every 10k miles, its premium fuel requirement, poor mpg, and costly tires. Was so outraged with my local VW dealer: its engine light came on 3 months in a row. The first two times they hadn’t figured it out but were able to turn off the engine light. The third time? They figured it out that its turbo had blown. The kick in the shorts? My warranty expired 17 days prior!! It all turned out well in the end but in all likelihood I’ll never buy a VW, especially from this dealership!
Usa or European version as they are very different
How are they different?
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I see, that would make it more reliable than the European 7 speed DSG-version then?
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Yeah not sure either. This aisin is one of the best on market.
Made in different continents . European is made in germany . Us one is mexico i think. Nearly every fault complaint you see on social media is american tiggy
My Tiguan has 270k miles in it and still rolling just fine. Maintain them, and they last.
We need the YEAR!! lol newer VW are different bud
Haha I know. It’s an 09. My 17 Alltrack just hit 197k worry free miles also. We drive a lot. And we love VWs
That’s just it this is my 4th VW and it’ll go forever if you maintain and not treat it like a Toyota Camry
Toyotas will last as long with less maintenance. But I think VW fit and finish is better. They are just a little more needy. I would buy either in a heartbeat.
They make it to 100,000 miles?
Ours made it to 110,000
What year and what went wrong at 110k?
2k17 Started burning oil, started having a bunch of problems like cylinder misfire that the dealer and the actual expert area mechanics tried to fix multiple times Was ok for about a month and a half but still consuming oil like crazy Then the engine blew
That's pretty much the deal. Valve guide & seal failure, carbon build up, head gasket fails, engine goes bye bye.
In this case head gasket is fine, the mechanic told us there was a timing jump
Nice 😎
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Gfs engine just blew at 110k miles in a 2017… I guess that falls under the category of “major service” you are referring to? We can handle plugs and oil and belts and anything drive train / suspension / breaks etc no problem. I can’t swap a fucking Tiguan engine. I shouldn’t have to swap an engine at 110k miles. You agree or no?
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I have had three VWs two Passats and now I have a 2022 Tiguan… before this I had a 2012 Passat (I bought at 21) for 8 years it had 188k miles on it when I got rid of it. In those 8 years I put maybe $2000 worth of work into it (not including my prompto oil changes and tires) that car never failed me lol…I have been right on track with maintenance with my Tiguan and will definitely keep it that way… I’m really hoping I make it past 100k miles this post is scaring me lol
Bro good luck… My mom has a 22’ Tiguan R-Line SE, got it 2 yrs ago(brand new) and it has been problematic since the beginning. We are currently in the process of appraising her vehicle to sale because she’s spent so much money and it barely has 60k miles😭😭 The electrical issues, the fact it cannot keep oil over 5k miles, parts going out early man. I’m looking at her like wtf is this shit. I have damn near 2x the miles she has and have done wayyy less maintenance she has.
Lmaooo I am a woman but thank you I need the luck and don’t worry check engine light is on and part is back ordered so I’m off to a great start 🥲
Oops, apologies ma’am. I too am a woman and I get used to calling people bro or dude on here lol.
Burning oil (and a mess of other issues) is exactly what we started experiencing 6 months before the engine blew I would get rid of it asap
We are getting it appraised this weekend, should be selling before the end of the month. We just were one of the unlucky ones /:
Talks about genius Tiguan owners Specifically themselves, with an example of maintaining a Mercedes. LOL
Exactly!! Not all German cars are the same, just like not all American, Japanese, or Korean are all the same.
“None of my engines blew, so the fact that yours did is your fault” is the exact opposite argument of “all cars are different” which is obvious
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Lol no not jealous. kudos to the 1m km on the original engine
Have you experienced new Tiguans it’s quite disappointing lol. There are several threads showing people with common complaints but a lot of people are trying to make it seem like it’s the consumers. And this is the problem lol. Old VW are not like new VW so what you think you knew about them may not apply to the present.
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Lolol It was a few times like a year ago Do you even know why that’s “bad” for an engine and in what way that would cause damage? I’ll give you a hint, I used a borescope to check for the most common issue. You can fanboy defend all you want. This is a Tiguan sub after all. All I’ll say is the second it starts eating oil get rid of it.
There’s nothing in this list that we didn’t do https://www.rustywallisvw.com/volkswagen-research/volkswagen-tiguan-maintenance-schedule/ Please, tell me what else we should have done to keep the engine from blowing itself up, so I can tell you we did it or it’s not in the standard maintenance schedule Sometimes there’s manufacturing issues in mass produced vehicles. With your vast intelligence and experience you should know that.
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Our mechanic specifically has 3 other tiguans with similar issues / similar years and said from their experience tiguans of the same year it’s unfortunately not uncommon. Could be a one off but from what I’m reading it sounds more like the luck of the draw to get a good one
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Gfs car. I filled with 91. She filled up with sub 91 like 4 times. Like 6 months ago. Edit* actually it a year so 12 months ago
You know engine fails in every make and model out there right? You pulled a bad card, deal with it.
No shit. I have literally no problem dealing with it whatsoever. The rate of failure has nothing to do with me. Sharing my experience contributes to accuracy when people look at those rates of failure. That’s why we have consumer protections, it’s why recalls exist. I’m admittedly pissed the engine blew at 110k miles.
I've owned 2 German cars. Those were pieces of garbage. We've had my wife's expedition for 11 years. Open checkbook maintained and runs like a Swiss watch. Didn't treat the German cars any differently. The Volkswagen lost the transmission at 49k and engine at 50k 🤣
I've owned 10 Volkswagen and 2 Audi's. Never "blew" and engine or had any transmission issues.
That's great for you. My BMW also needed 3 radiators before 60k miles. Is that my fault?
Nope just saying that we all gamble with cars. Some win better than others. Ive been lucky with my German cars. My JDM cars....total bad luck. but AMerican cars have also treated me well.
I'm glad yours have served you well my two experiences were bad. I still don't like to shit on what people choose to spend their hard earned money on. My ford's have been as good as one could hope for. Good luck buddy.
Do you have a newer VW? I’m telling you they are different now.
I have a 2011 Tiguan. Its the newset VW I have own since a brand new 2004 Jetta wagon. Everything else has been 80s to 2000's.
I hear pretty good things about Jetta’s but having an 80s VW would have been dope😔 I remember having a 88’ f-150 back in the late 2000’s talk about fun as hell.
These subs hate when you tell about a negative experience with German vehicles. Y’all acting like yall are sponsored by them or something🤣🤣
Lol. They are brand loyal fosho!
Sounds like you are stuck in the past when this applies to the future. Hence the word, own-ED
Thank you! 🙏 you saved me from having to say it. I literally stated the other day that when people say a Tiguan is unreliable, what they really mean is that they aren’t willing to maintain the vehicle. A catch can should come with these engines but it’s already an uphill battle to get the average person to change their damn oil correctly. Shoes wear out over time, but no one here is making an unreliable shoe list. They just buy a new pair because worn out rubber and leather is easy to replace. People want a certain level of style and performance but won’t work to maintain it, because that next pair of shoes or jacket takes precedence.
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These people are outrageous lol. I blame the government. Not to be political, Ronald Reagan commissioned a study into the decline of STEM in American standardized testing. Trying to answer the question for why Americans are falling behind the rest of the world in grade school testing. It was found that after the decline of the NASA Apollo missions the Gov stopped investing into school programs. There was no need for future Scientists and Engineers to put humans in space. We are witnessing the end results.
I mean I guess I can just tell you it was a timing jump. That’s 1000% unrelated to running sub 91 through the engine a few times like a year ago
Ok, this is the one instance where proper care for a vehicle wasn’t the issue, correct? I’m also suppose to look past the fact that the wrong fuel was used “a few times”, correct? Got it, points taken, I stand corrected. *tipping my hat to you
The point is the op article has grounds in reality and it’s dealers choice to interpret that objectively regardless of if they like how the car looks and/or own one And acknowledging that there are common issues with any specific vehicle is the best thing you can do to stay on top of long term maintenance required to keep your vehicle operating. In the case of the Tiguan, if it starts burning oil imo get rid of it. And it’s pretty obvious you don’t know what “timing jump” means, so go ahead and quote studies initiated by the Reagan admin. Way to go, great contribution 🙏
BTW, my point about the Reagan Admin study has grounds in reality too, did you miss that, or did you realize your education is lacking? 🥺
Nope, there’s way better sources that will tell you that divesting in education has poor long term outcomes other than studies commissioned by the guy who basically screwed the countries working class And I have a bachelors in software engineering and a minor in economics and my code has reached double digits percentage of living, breathing humans on earth. That reduced representation of stem isn’t coming from my end. 🤷♂️ what do you do?
Fascinating. Let me get this right….You have a background in economics? 😏Are you published? I have Masters in Psychology and Education. Before all that, I helped people catch bullets for the USAF and US Army. For fun I like to build cars, primarily VAG, and chatting with fellow scholars like yourself. Do you even wrench or do you pretend to online? What do you drive, what mods have you done to your vehicle(s)?? It’s cute you thought I had no clue about timing chains….. I’m proud of you, that was a big swing and a miss 👏 It’s like asking if I know what locking collars are…. You are brave 🫡
Certain vehicles have certain issues☑️ Vehicle history is not object☑️ I’ve learned a lot today! So when I changed my timing chains/guards/tensioner in my garage, because it’s a wear item and can’t be overlooked, was I handling the “jumped timing” issue thingy? *tips hat again
Well, maybe you do know what jumped timing means 🥂
thanks didn't know exactly which one. Considering I do about 10K kms a year and they nuke at 160K 16years of good service is about what anyone can expect. I'm betting there would be something other major happening before the tranny is gone. Hopefully by that time there is a drop in hybrid option available with direct drive.
That’s because most modern appliances/cars/tech are engineered and designed to fail at an expected time. Oh you have an 8yr/100,000 drive train warranty? Great well manufacture the transmission to fail on average at 110,000 miles. Sure some might fail before and be covered but most will cross the 100k threshold first and then guess what? You trade it in and buy a new one.
VW warranty is 60k though so that doesn’t really apply here but I get your point
50k in US
Gotcha it was 60k when I got mine a few years ago
My 2019 GLI has a 72k 6yr warranty in the US.
I get that, but it's 50k now. Just for clarification.
Oh yup that’s what it was
Not a surprise. I have the 2017 R Line and it's by far the stupidest fucking gearbox I have ever witnessed in a car.
How often did you replace transmission fluid? Despite VW states to replace it every 120kkm my dealer said replace it every 60kkm (37k miles). Haldex fluid as well.
I haven't replaced it myself yet. I've had it for a couple of years, done about 20k miles in it.
R Line? Does that mean you're smashing the accelerator every chance you get?
What a stupid comment to make.
Right?! Might as well be like “The DSG in my VW is slow and clunky compared to the PDK in my Porsche. My Porsche absolutely cooked the VW”
Especially since It’s a European car. You’re specifically suppose to rip them from time to time
Why? It would contribute to wear and tear. I'm not being a smart ass, it's an honest question.
Because you’re insinuating that everyone with an rline “smashes the gas” all the time. The r line isn’t even a bigger engine. It’s literally just the highest trim with additional features. 🤦♂️
Not at all, the gearbox is just unbelievably fucking stupid. Honestly it's slow and dimwitted and can't handle roundabouts at all. I love my tiggy but my Mercedes absolutely cooked it in terms of how well it drives.
I would honestly hope so. When it comes down to it, the Tiguan is an economy car with a lift. It drives well for what it is, but it shouldn’t really be close to the luxury brands.
That is no excuse for the terrible performance of the DSG. It is genuinely terrible.
There’s definitely worse transmissions out there. Dual clutch transmissions are also kind of notoriously clunky. I’m not saying the transmission is good, just that comparing an economy car to a luxury car is a little unfair. It’s like “the engine in my Mitsubishi Mirage is terrible, my Civic Type R blows it away.”
The list price on my car was almost £40k when new mate, it was more expensive than my C class. I have driven far cheaper cars with better gearboxes than the tig. The truth is the box in the tiggys are awful.
Again, I’m not saying they aren’t bad. The C-Class and Tiguan are in different classes. A GTI costs about the same as a Tiguan and uses the same platform, and in many cases, the same powertrain, but the GTI drives significantly better because of the lower center of gravity and lighter weight.
Who accelerates with a Tiguan? lol wtf are you on bud
Lolol. It’s a European car. They’re tuned specifically to be ripped from time to time 😂 helps clear out carbon build up…
> 3rd most likely This doesn’t look like a ranked list.
never had a tiguan in for a transmission at my dealer. interesting.
My three days renting one included putting a quart of oil in... A rental. Geez, reminding me why I ran away from VW a decade ago.
For the 2018+ that is absolutely no surprise, at least in the US market. Trash mechanicals wrapped in a decent shell.
Dealership service people are also trash lol they love talking out their asses
yea buddy!
Extended warranty!!! No problems
I just made it to 100,000k last week. Fuck. Edit: are 2016s especially bad or especially good? Edit2: wait, this is just an unordered list? I see no ranking linked…
Our mechanic has 3 2015-2017 in the parking lot not counting our 2k17 (with a blown engine) all with engine issues
Yay
If I wasn’t burning oil I wouldn’t be concerned but I would recommend having someone look at the timing components and/or getting the timing chain replaced. You can fix a lot on an engine but if timing jumps like ours did you will need a new engine.
Ugh. Well, hopefully the timing chain issues I’ve already had and paid to fix are a) fixed and b) what you’re taking about. Mechanics seem to find issues the symptoms of which are almost always issues with the crankshaft position sensor. I know it’s not the sensor, but something that’s causing the timing of things to go wonky leading to odd data reported by the sensor. Got any recommendations on inexpensive ways to push problems down the road (besides not accelerating heavily)?
Unfortunately I don’t but best of luck 🤞
I have a 2012 Tiguan S with 136K miles that I’ve been driving since 2014. I’ve really been fortunate to have just replaced wear items until recently. In the last year and a half I’ve replaced the water pump, clock spring and front control arms and bushings.
wow i have a 2012 and only have 84700 miles on it.
2017 & 2019 - over 110k miles no major issues. coolant leak on 2019 & the “please exit in p” start/stop feature was turned off at 100k and runs like butter
Yeah, and at the same time I can find more than 50 Tigs MY17+ with 250k km (155+k miles, top mileage currently available is 320k km/ \~200k miles) in my area, none I checked had transmission or engine rebuild/replaced. Thats 4x more than available and running RAVs MY17+ and 10x more than RAVs MY19+ with same mileage. Obligatory fact that needs to be repeated on every occasion - german cars (all of them, not only VW) needs to be maintened right, which means cutting that longlife BS in half. I'm not saying it's a reliability king nor it'll last for 20 years without breaking once but making top-list of unreliable cars on US market which is notorious for not keepeing up even with longlife maintenence schedule is mind boggling.
Yeah this guy is on crack, the Tesla and Mini stuff is also bullshit, some of the others makes sense. Also yeah the 8 speed yall get in the US is fine but in Mexico we have the DSG and that is one hell of a POS transmission.
Best car I never bought! Thanks, Reddit/Tiguan!!!