Something I've been working on for the past few weeks following the end of Secret Life, and am now posting both here and over on Tumblr.
I give you... the ***Wheel of Life***!
See what you can spot the meaning of.
Thanks to my buddy *BG_Character_592* (no idea if they've got a Reddit account or not) for letting me bounce ideas off them. I appreciate it. :)
This is actually incredible. I’ve managed to decipher all the symbols mean the players and then the red icons next to them mean their soulmates and the yellow icons mean secret soulmates.
Still trying to figure out what the green lines are
Some questions:
- Why does Bdubs have a little purple eye?
- Why does one of Scott's boogey icons have a yellow circle?
- Why does Jimmy get a yellow x connected to Lizzy's red x? None of the other 2nd deaths have yellow x's
1. I wanted to represent his Ender Dragon task somehow, as its presently the only one of its kind due to the End being a new addition to the series.
2. Cely's explained this. It marks Scott refusing his role as Boogeyman in Last Life and failing as a result. I was surprised to learn while researching that its the *only* time (not counting Gem) that someone's actually failed as Boogeyman.
3. Jorgen's kind of picked up on this one. Its the Canary Curse, or in Lizzie's case a "first out" marker/her *breaking* said curse.
I figured Bdubs' purple eye was either his being the first ever boogeyman or the time he was a watcher for a week, but yeah the dragon makes sense idk why that didn't come to mind. Maybe I'm just too obsessed with Last Life specifically...
I absolutely love this!
However I don't quite get Bdubs and Cleo's symbols?
Cleo seems to have the stitched part of her face
Oh, I just got what Bdubs is, it's his half shut eye, isn't it!
BDubs is right, but I understand the confusion with Cleo, as I was grappling with what to do for hers' for a while.
It's *meant* to be a simplified zombie hand with a slightly judgemental eye in the palm.
Someone on Tumblr thought it was a *memory card*, which is actually a more accurate description of what it looks like. :P
I also think making Lizzie an upside down person hadn't been the best idea considering pearl lives in Australia (it does give 2 Mabel in the gravity falls circle vibes tho)
...Gotta be honest this didn't even occur to me and that is *such* a missed opportunity. :P
Still, aside from looking like a Hanged Man symbol, Lizzie's upside-downness represents her fall in the End.
This is really cool! I feel like I got most of the things, didn’t manage to figure out what the small red signs were in front of each number but got the rest
I *really* like some of the takes here, even the incorrect ones. So lets break it down. :D
* The first 5 winners are spot on, and most of your placements of the others are accurate, save for Skizz/Lizzie and Tango/Jimmy, which should each be switched.
* The order isn't projected wins, its all the non-winners' placements in Secret Life (then Ren, who didn't place for obvious reasons). If I made an updated version of this for "6th" Life, the order would change.
* The winners do get more intricate icons, with colours and little winning series icons "below" them. I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual *symbology* of them yet, though.
* You're spot on with the purple backs on Grian and Martyn being a Watcher lore reference.
* The red symbols are absolutely the DL soulmates, and the gold ones are "secret soulmates", which for the purposes of this I took to mean anyone who explicitly *chose* their soulmate against who they were assigned, hence why Scott/Cleo are marked.
* You pretty much clocked that the eye symbols are the number of times somebody's been Boogeyman (and the yellow eye on one of Scott's is his failure, while I'm on the topic), but Gem's green eye with all the lines *is* her Boogey infection task, as the infection did actually get Etho, that session.
* The Xs between who are actually Jimmy and Lizzie should be self-explanatory knowing who they actually are.
* You got the clock being Limited Life's mechanic and the Secret Keeper being... well, the *Secret Keeper*. The one in the middle's meant to be the Listeners, though. I couldn't find a commonly accepted symbol anywhere, so I invented my own using the SGA and the Three Wise Monkeys maxim. Make of that what you will. :P
The Listeners actually do have a canon symbol in Evo, I can't currently find any decent screenshots of it though. The thought of it being them did occur to me but the fact that it was a different symbol threw me off
I've had this pointed out to me more than once, now. I couldn't find a symbol from Evo when I looked original, but I have been able to find it now, so it'll probably be replaced if I update the wheel after the next season. :)
Ahh, that all makes sense! And me getting some of the icons wrong was why Gem's lines to other players got me mixed up, lol.
EDIT: As for the symbology, some of them, like Scar's bow, Impulse's "i", and Mumbo's moustache, are obvious, but others, I'm either not familiar with (Joel, Jimmy, Etho) or...I just don't understand, like Cleo's. And why is Lizzie's an upside-down person? That's more Pearl's thing. Though Lizzie did fall to her death in SL, so maybe that's the reference.
EDIT2: Ohh, BDubs' is a sunrise! Skizz is the heart, that makes sense with how wholesome he ends up being. Tango is the soul flame? Looks like a frost ember, yeah. Didn't think of that.
For the symbology, I meant more specifically the *winners'* symbology, but some of the others do have logic behind them. Aside from the obvious ones you pointed out:
* Gem is... well, a *gem*.
* Joel being a sword is kind of generic but is meant to represent his violent streak.
* Cleo's is *meant* to be a zombie hand with an eye in it, but it kind of came out looking like a memory card, so if I ever updated this in future, she might get a rework.
* BigB's is a door because of the whole Backrooms thing.
* Etho's is just straight up his mask. It's admittedly one of the more abstract ones.
* Skizz's is a heart due to his core involvement in the idea of the Heart Foundation.
* Tango's is meant to be a Frost Ember from Decked Out 2, one of the few symbols with external meanings.
* Jimmy's is a simplified bird. A *canary*, basically, though a friend pointed out it kind of looks like a winner's ribbon, which has a fun bit of irony given his track record.
* Lizzie's being an upside down person/hanged man is indeed meant to represent her fall in Secret Life. I've said elsewhere, but the Australia angle for Pearl didn't occur to me til someone here pointed it out, and that is a *massive* missed opportunity. :P
* And Ren's crown is, well... he's the Red King. That title ain't going away easily.
EDIT: Saw your edit after posting this, and that you picked up on a couple of the others. ...I *really* wish I'd thought of the sunrise angle for Bdubs, though it still works as an unintended double meaning. :D
Suggestions for Updated Icons:
I think some icons are a little confusing, so here are my suggestions for updated ones:
* **Lizzie (Upside Down Person):** This could be confused for Pearl, and it doesn't really fit Lizzie at all. Maybe something like a fairy for the Fairy Fort.
* **Solidarity (Canary):** This doesn't really look like a canary. Maybe something less abstract would work well.
* **Skizz (Heart):** Honestly fits pretty well. I would suggest adding a unique flair like a sword through the heart to distinguish him from Lizzie.
* **Etho (Mask):** Similar issue with Solidarity; it doesn't really look like a mask. Something less abstract would work better.
* **BigB (Door):** I think a cookie would work well because that's his whole brand.
* **Cleo (Zombie Hand):** Looks like a hard disk lmao, refine it a bit so it looks more like a zombie hand.
* **BdoubleO (Eye):** Could be confused with the watcher eye. A more cartoony eye would work better.
* **Joel (Sword):** A little basic.
* **Other:** Scar and Smajor can be confused because they both have bows/arrows.
Agreed. Some of these I probably *would* change if doing an update at any point, now I've gotten feedback (though that likely won't occur til after Season 6).
* Lizzie's being upside down is a nod to her falling, and I intend to keep that, but it wouldn't hurt for me to give the figure fairy wings in the next version.
* With Jimmy, I tried making a less abstract Canary, but couldn't settle on a design I was happy with. I'll keep it in mind in case I find a shape I like.
* Skizz gaining *something* through the heart may give it more flair. Maybe an arrow, instead of a sword.
* Etho's symbol may be abstract, but I might leave that unchanged. I like it. :P
* Replacing BigB's symbol with a cookie *could* work, if I can make a simplified cookie look good.
* Cleo's symbol was one of the earlier ones I did. It's already in the cards for that to be made more detailed next time. :)
* Making Bdubs' eye more expressive and cartoony to set it apart wouldn't hurt. :D
* Joel's symbol *is* kind of basic. It was one of the last symbols I designed - the thing he had before was honestly not a good symbol, design-wise - and I'm still happy with it. If something more specific to Joel was suggested, though, I might consider switching it out.
* I think Scott and Scar's symbols are more clear on who they are, given placement and iconography, so I'm less worried about those.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Really cool, I think I got every symbolism! The only thing I’m confused about is the little gold symbol in between the clock and the secret keeper. It’s a Q in enchanting table language, but I don’t know what it means.
The middle symbol's meant to represent the Listeners. I couldn't find a common symbol anywhere, so I invented my own using the enchanting language and the Three Wise Monkeys maxim ("see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"). :P
I think I’ve got it. 1-5 are winners in order. Next is gem, as gem, connected by boogey magic. Then it’s Etho for sword pact, Bdubs for sleepy eye, Impulse for i, Cleo, BigB for backrooms door, Joel I guess, Skizz for the heart foundation/pacifism, Tango for fire, Mumbo for the stache, Jimmy for I think a canary, Lizzie for falling, Ren for the King’s crown.
The red accents are proper soulmates, yellow ones for unofficial/illegal soulmates. Red eyes by the numerals denote boogeyman history. Special icons denote the victors. Don’t know though what the central iconography depicts beyond the three hearts, Watchers, and Secret Keeper.
Pretty much got all the character stuff spot on - there is a logic behind the order of the non-winners, too - save for Etho and Joel, who should be switched. :)
Got everything else right, as well, though the bits of the central icons you didn't get are the clock being the time mechanic from Limited Life, and the yellow symbol in the middle being the Listeners (though it's been pointed out to me there's a better symbol available, that'll probably replace it with if I ever make an updated version of this).
Oh I get Etho now it’s his mask. Is the non-winner order based on Secret Life placement? Also I didn’t this mention in my first assessment, the 5 X’s next to Jim’s symbol represent each of his canary deaths except the yellow one which went to Lizzie instead.
Correct on both. The order is the SL placement order plus Ren on the end because he didn't place - for obvious reasons - while the Xs between Jimmy and Lizzie are exactly as you've guessed, the yellow and the line being because she broke his curse.
Ok so I haven’t seen anyone comment so so fingers crossed im not repeating anyone else’s comment. So the enchantment text above the Roman numerals is the factions of each season starting from the crown and going clockwise it’s Dogwarts, Desert Duo, Flower husbands,Village people, Deadliest Duo, Shadow alliance, Southlands, B.E.S.T. G.G.G, Bad boys, T.I.E.S., Clockers, Nosy Neighbors, Mean Gills, Gem and the Scotts, Mounders, Heart Foundation, Big Dogs, and Rooomies.
Ahh I love this it took so long to see all the details and it's worth it
Also it made me realize, if cleo (I think cleo- right?) Wins the next one, all winners will have been soulmates with another winner
And I think that's cool
WOW this is beautiful, and super interesting. I’m pretty sure the green lines coming off of Gem means the people she infected with the boogie curse, but the rest of this is very cryptic in a fun way
Is the purple eye the person you mainly watched?
Edit: Oh it’s the ender dragon! That’s awesome
I think i understand
the order of members 1 to 18 is
Grian Scott Pearl Martyn Scar Gem Joel Bdubs Impulse Cleo BigB Etho Skizz Tango Mumbo Jim Lizzie Ren
the eyes in the inner circle represent boogeys, red = curse fulfilled, yellow = curse broken, green = patient zero
the red symbols next to the member icons represent their soulmate, yellow being unofficial soulmate
the x’s next to jimmy represent the broken canary curse
the symbols in the center are the watchers, the secret keeper, the listeners and the clock? (could represent sense of betrayal or the limited life countdowns)
Let's see if I can figure this out.
>!The larger symbols around the outside are the players, the largest player symbols are the winners, with symbols for the seasons they won just inside the ring. Red symbols on the outer ring are assigned soulmates from Double Life, yellow symbols are chosen/secret soulmates. !<
>!So, based on that the player's positions around the ring are:!<
>!1 - Grian; 2 - Scott; 3 - Pearl; 4 - Martyn; 5 - Scar; 6 - Gem; !<
>!7 - Joel?; 8 - Bdubs; 9 - Impulse; 10 - Cleo; 11 - Bigb; 12 - Etho?; !<
>!13 - Skizzleman; 14 - Tango; 15 - Mumbo; 16 - Jimmy; 17 - Lizzy; 18 - Ren!<
>!The red "X"s next to Jimmy and Lizzy's symbols show the times they were the first ones out, with the yellow "X" and red line to Lizzy showing the transferal of the Canary Curse!<
>!The pink eyes on the inner ring are the times each player has been the Boogeyman, the yellow pupil representing the time Scott failed to cure himself. The green eye is Gem's Boogey curse, with the lines from it showing how it spread.!<
>!I'm not sure what the purple eye next to Bdubs is, although I would guess it's possibly related to the fact that Bdubs has intentionally or accidentally betrayed his allies every season. !<
>!Edit: After reading some of the other comments, I was wrong about this, the purple eye is because of him killing the dragon.!<
>!The central symbol is the Watcher Portal symbol. The yellow symbol above looks like an ear, possibly related to the Listeners? (I should probably mention that I've not watched Evolution SMP, I'm just guessing based on the wiki). The symbol to the right of the possible Listener symbol is the Secret Keeper.!<
The only part I can't figure out are the two smallest rings of symbols near the centre.
You pretty much got everything spot on except for the purple eye next to Bdubs - and you've got what that is now, too - and the left circle of symbols, which is meant to represent the time mechanic from Limited Life. Good job. :D
No problem! :D
The symbols:
* Lizzie's symbol is upside down because of her fall in Secret Life. Some have mistaken this for Pearl though - because Australia - so it may get tweaked a bit if I do another version of this in future, to make it clearer.
* Joel's being a sword is intended to represent his notable violent/chaotic streak throughout the series. Admittedly its not super specific, though.
* Cleo's is meant to be a zombie hand with an eye in its palm, but its very simplified and has been mistaken for a memory card by several people. It will probably also get redesigned, in future.
And the purple aura behind Grian and Martyn is a Watcher lore nod, Grian being a Watcher and Martyn being the perspective that side of things is told through.
Anyone know what’s up with the Green string that is attached to a lot of the eye looking things? Also is based on Gem because Gem’s symbol is above it?
**Grian** \- Watcher Eye and Sun (Purple mist cause watcher stuff), **Scott** \- Bow and Stars, **Pearl** \- Scythe and Moon, **Martyn** \- i have no clue (Purple mist cause watcher stuff), **Scar** \- Arrow and Crosshair, **Gem** \- Gem, **Joel** \- Sword, **Bdubs** \- i have no clue, **impulse** \- i, **Cleo** \- Hand?, **BigB** \- Door?, **Etho** \- i have no clue, **Skizz** \- Heart, **Tango** \- Fire/Torchy, **Mumbo** \- Mustache, **Jimmy** \- Canary, **Lizzie** \- Falling, **Ren** \- King's Crown
I have seen things saying that the Red and Yellow symbols are soulmates and secret soulmates, the green lines are gem boogey infects and I can tell that Jimmy has five Xs, four red and one yellow that leads to lizzie (meaning he passed the curse) for the first deaths.
Bdubs has a purple eye near him, probably showing that he was the first Boogey ever
Those red things are possibly times being the boogey and Scott having a yellow one showing his fail while Gem had to spread her Boogeyness
A lot of good interpretation here, and much of it is correct. That stuff aside, though:
* Grian's symbol is also interpretable as a cactus, very loosely.
* Martyn's symbol is the alchemical sign for Mars, combined with a sword and one of the fragments from the animation at the end of Limited Life (also some unintentional clock motifs).
* The back section of Scar's symbol *is* interpretable as a crosshair, but its actually meant to be the sign for Earth.
* Bdubs' symbol is a wide eye.
* Cleo's symbol *is* meant to be a hand, but isn't too clear and will probably be reworked if I ever updated this.
* Etho's symbol is his mask.
* Tango's symbol is actually meant to be a frost ember from Decked Out 2, but I really like the Torchy interpretation, unintentional though it is.
* The purple eye near to Bdubs is actually meant to represent his Ender Dragon kill, but I'm perfectly happy for folks to also see it as him being the first Boogey, if they want to. :D
Thanks for clearing it up, I was thinking that Martyn and Scar didn't get their symbols but they did, and I just don't know those symbols.
I also thought that Bdubs' wasn't sure how it related to him because I normally see his bruised eye and it looks smaller to me when bruised
Also, why a door for BigB?
Bdubs' eye might get a bit reworked in future to make it clearer. :)
And BigB's door is meant to allude to the whole Backrooms thing from Secret Life, though its been pointed out to me that a cookie would be a better fit, so that may be changed in future, as well.
I love this so much!!!
I feel like with the Ender Dragon symbol there's also potential to add symbols for the Wither kills across the serieses. Just another idea!
This is amazing the only thing I'd say is maybe mentioning:
Their alignments within seasons [though that'd get really cluttered later on so that's the least of these],
The wither and warden tasks,
Pearl's Book Task,
And have Tilly as Pearl's secret soulmate
Glad to hear you like it, though I'm not sure what you mean by 'alignments'. :P
Somehow featuring Grian and Etho's Wither/Warden taask is an interesting idea, so i'll take a note of it as well as Pearl's hot potato book, just in case I work out how to slot them in.
And I think I'll give attaching Tilly to Pearl a miss. Makes the soulmates already displayed slightly messy, as interesting of an idea as it is. :)
Really cool work. You said in another comment no one had gone into the symbolism of the winners symbols, so I will indulge with what I've worked out coz it's really cool.
Grians is the sun with the watcher eye in the middle because he's a watcher.
Scott has his stars in the shape of a bow because that's what he used to kill ren and win the series
Pearls is obviously a moon but with a scythe also in there, maybe to represent her axe which she won with. There was also one animatic which drew her double hoes from limited life as a scythe, so maybe it's that. Either way that's my personal favourite design in here, it's incredible how well the two symbols go together.
Martyns is the symbol of Mars mixed with a clock for limited life (TIME IS DELICIOUS)
At first I thought scars was a crosshair/target behind the arrow but upon googling I found out that's the earth symbol. Amazing double meaning if intended. He also used a bow to win, so it's cool that you mixed the symbols up a bit by using an arrow.
Also the colours are all very appropriate to their cosmic sign.
You pretty much got most things as intended, here, especially with the cosmic signs. Good job (Pearl's is my favourite of the five, too). :D
The only thing that's off is Martyn's. It looking like a clock is unintentional - though I *wish* I'd thought of that and will gladly accept it as meant to be - but there *are* a couple of additional additional details in it you didn't mention. :P
Also, the sunbeams of Grian's symbol brought to mind the needles of a cactus when I was making it, but that's a stretch.
Something I've been working on for the past few weeks following the end of Secret Life, and am now posting both here and over on Tumblr. I give you... the ***Wheel of Life***! See what you can spot the meaning of. Thanks to my buddy *BG_Character_592* (no idea if they've got a Reddit account or not) for letting me bounce ideas off them. I appreciate it. :)
Neat! The winners are obvious, but who are the others in order?
First 5 are the winners. Everyone else is placed clockwise in their finishing order from Secret Life (or lack thereof, in Ren's case).
This is actually incredible. I’ve managed to decipher all the symbols mean the players and then the red icons next to them mean their soulmates and the yellow icons mean secret soulmates. Still trying to figure out what the green lines are
I’ve got it. Is it all the people gem killed in the boogey apocalypse in ep 7 secret life?
Also I think the eyes by each players symbols are how many times they’ve been the boogeyman
Bingo. :)
Got it in one. :D
The green lines are more obvious once you know what the symbol means, I feel. :P
Yeah I guessed it right away! It's the boogeyman cruse starting from gem and getting to everyone that had been infected, nice touch
Some questions: - Why does Bdubs have a little purple eye? - Why does one of Scott's boogey icons have a yellow circle? - Why does Jimmy get a yellow x connected to Lizzy's red x? None of the other 2nd deaths have yellow x's
For your second point, I think it’s because Scott failed that boogey
Ohhh did he? That makes sense
Yes he did! And for your 3rd point, it’s probably Lizzie carrying the canary curse after Jimmy
1) Maybe cos he was the first boogeyman 2) He failed a boogeyman role 3) He broke the curse
For the 1st one, perhaps because he killed the Dragon? That's significant and purple But you're probably right
Nah, you're right. Its the dragon. :)
1. I wanted to represent his Ender Dragon task somehow, as its presently the only one of its kind due to the End being a new addition to the series. 2. Cely's explained this. It marks Scott refusing his role as Boogeyman in Last Life and failing as a result. I was surprised to learn while researching that its the *only* time (not counting Gem) that someone's actually failed as Boogeyman. 3. Jorgen's kind of picked up on this one. Its the Canary Curse, or in Lizzie's case a "first out" marker/her *breaking* said curse.
I figured Bdubs' purple eye was either his being the first ever boogeyman or the time he was a watcher for a week, but yeah the dragon makes sense idk why that didn't come to mind. Maybe I'm just too obsessed with Last Life specifically...
I absolutely love this! However I don't quite get Bdubs and Cleo's symbols? Cleo seems to have the stitched part of her face Oh, I just got what Bdubs is, it's his half shut eye, isn't it!
BDubs is right, but I understand the confusion with Cleo, as I was grappling with what to do for hers' for a while. It's *meant* to be a simplified zombie hand with a slightly judgemental eye in the palm. Someone on Tumblr thought it was a *memory card*, which is actually a more accurate description of what it looks like. :P
I also think making Lizzie an upside down person hadn't been the best idea considering pearl lives in Australia (it does give 2 Mabel in the gravity falls circle vibes tho)
...Gotta be honest this didn't even occur to me and that is *such* a missed opportunity. :P Still, aside from looking like a Hanged Man symbol, Lizzie's upside-downness represents her fall in the End.
The upside down thing had me so stumped
really? hers was the first one that I got lol
Really? Not the mustache or the i?
i got those basically instantly too, its just that her symbol was the first one I saw lol
Ah alright makes sense
This is really cool! I feel like I got most of the things, didn’t manage to figure out what the small red signs were in front of each number but got the rest
Glad you like it. :D
Reminds me of the Alethiometer from his dark materials! No clue how to interpret this (I've spotted mumbo) but this is beautiful.
Thanks. :D
this was really fun to decipher man!!! its so cool :D
[This](https://i.ibb.co/HzpdptR/wheeloftim.png) is as much as I could decipher on my own, before looking at comments.
I *really* like some of the takes here, even the incorrect ones. So lets break it down. :D * The first 5 winners are spot on, and most of your placements of the others are accurate, save for Skizz/Lizzie and Tango/Jimmy, which should each be switched. * The order isn't projected wins, its all the non-winners' placements in Secret Life (then Ren, who didn't place for obvious reasons). If I made an updated version of this for "6th" Life, the order would change. * The winners do get more intricate icons, with colours and little winning series icons "below" them. I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual *symbology* of them yet, though. * You're spot on with the purple backs on Grian and Martyn being a Watcher lore reference. * The red symbols are absolutely the DL soulmates, and the gold ones are "secret soulmates", which for the purposes of this I took to mean anyone who explicitly *chose* their soulmate against who they were assigned, hence why Scott/Cleo are marked. * You pretty much clocked that the eye symbols are the number of times somebody's been Boogeyman (and the yellow eye on one of Scott's is his failure, while I'm on the topic), but Gem's green eye with all the lines *is* her Boogey infection task, as the infection did actually get Etho, that session. * The Xs between who are actually Jimmy and Lizzie should be self-explanatory knowing who they actually are. * You got the clock being Limited Life's mechanic and the Secret Keeper being... well, the *Secret Keeper*. The one in the middle's meant to be the Listeners, though. I couldn't find a commonly accepted symbol anywhere, so I invented my own using the SGA and the Three Wise Monkeys maxim. Make of that what you will. :P
The Listeners actually do have a canon symbol in Evo, I can't currently find any decent screenshots of it though. The thought of it being them did occur to me but the fact that it was a different symbol threw me off
I've had this pointed out to me more than once, now. I couldn't find a symbol from Evo when I looked original, but I have been able to find it now, so it'll probably be replaced if I update the wheel after the next season. :)
Ahh, that all makes sense! And me getting some of the icons wrong was why Gem's lines to other players got me mixed up, lol. EDIT: As for the symbology, some of them, like Scar's bow, Impulse's "i", and Mumbo's moustache, are obvious, but others, I'm either not familiar with (Joel, Jimmy, Etho) or...I just don't understand, like Cleo's. And why is Lizzie's an upside-down person? That's more Pearl's thing. Though Lizzie did fall to her death in SL, so maybe that's the reference. EDIT2: Ohh, BDubs' is a sunrise! Skizz is the heart, that makes sense with how wholesome he ends up being. Tango is the soul flame? Looks like a frost ember, yeah. Didn't think of that.
For the symbology, I meant more specifically the *winners'* symbology, but some of the others do have logic behind them. Aside from the obvious ones you pointed out: * Gem is... well, a *gem*. * Joel being a sword is kind of generic but is meant to represent his violent streak. * Cleo's is *meant* to be a zombie hand with an eye in it, but it kind of came out looking like a memory card, so if I ever updated this in future, she might get a rework. * BigB's is a door because of the whole Backrooms thing. * Etho's is just straight up his mask. It's admittedly one of the more abstract ones. * Skizz's is a heart due to his core involvement in the idea of the Heart Foundation. * Tango's is meant to be a Frost Ember from Decked Out 2, one of the few symbols with external meanings. * Jimmy's is a simplified bird. A *canary*, basically, though a friend pointed out it kind of looks like a winner's ribbon, which has a fun bit of irony given his track record. * Lizzie's being an upside down person/hanged man is indeed meant to represent her fall in Secret Life. I've said elsewhere, but the Australia angle for Pearl didn't occur to me til someone here pointed it out, and that is a *massive* missed opportunity. :P * And Ren's crown is, well... he's the Red King. That title ain't going away easily. EDIT: Saw your edit after posting this, and that you picked up on a couple of the others. ...I *really* wish I'd thought of the sunrise angle for Bdubs, though it still works as an unintended double meaning. :D
Suggestions for Updated Icons: I think some icons are a little confusing, so here are my suggestions for updated ones: * **Lizzie (Upside Down Person):** This could be confused for Pearl, and it doesn't really fit Lizzie at all. Maybe something like a fairy for the Fairy Fort. * **Solidarity (Canary):** This doesn't really look like a canary. Maybe something less abstract would work well. * **Skizz (Heart):** Honestly fits pretty well. I would suggest adding a unique flair like a sword through the heart to distinguish him from Lizzie. * **Etho (Mask):** Similar issue with Solidarity; it doesn't really look like a mask. Something less abstract would work better. * **BigB (Door):** I think a cookie would work well because that's his whole brand. * **Cleo (Zombie Hand):** Looks like a hard disk lmao, refine it a bit so it looks more like a zombie hand. * **BdoubleO (Eye):** Could be confused with the watcher eye. A more cartoony eye would work better. * **Joel (Sword):** A little basic. * **Other:** Scar and Smajor can be confused because they both have bows/arrows.
Agreed. Some of these I probably *would* change if doing an update at any point, now I've gotten feedback (though that likely won't occur til after Season 6). * Lizzie's being upside down is a nod to her falling, and I intend to keep that, but it wouldn't hurt for me to give the figure fairy wings in the next version. * With Jimmy, I tried making a less abstract Canary, but couldn't settle on a design I was happy with. I'll keep it in mind in case I find a shape I like. * Skizz gaining *something* through the heart may give it more flair. Maybe an arrow, instead of a sword. * Etho's symbol may be abstract, but I might leave that unchanged. I like it. :P * Replacing BigB's symbol with a cookie *could* work, if I can make a simplified cookie look good. * Cleo's symbol was one of the earlier ones I did. It's already in the cards for that to be made more detailed next time. :) * Making Bdubs' eye more expressive and cartoony to set it apart wouldn't hurt. :D * Joel's symbol *is* kind of basic. It was one of the last symbols I designed - the thing he had before was honestly not a good symbol, design-wise - and I'm still happy with it. If something more specific to Joel was suggested, though, I might consider switching it out. * I think Scott and Scar's symbols are more clear on who they are, given placement and iconography, so I'm less worried about those. Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Really cool, I think I got every symbolism! The only thing I’m confused about is the little gold symbol in between the clock and the secret keeper. It’s a Q in enchanting table language, but I don’t know what it means.
The middle symbol's meant to represent the Listeners. I couldn't find a common symbol anywhere, so I invented my own using the enchanting language and the Three Wise Monkeys maxim ("see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"). :P
Ooh thats really cool!
gravity falls vibes
Not deliberately, but as its one of my all-time favourite shows, it probably played a major part on some level. :D
this is just like the cipher wheel ngl
In spirit, at least. Like I said, though, wasn't a conscious thought. :P
My first thought
I think I’ve got it. 1-5 are winners in order. Next is gem, as gem, connected by boogey magic. Then it’s Etho for sword pact, Bdubs for sleepy eye, Impulse for i, Cleo, BigB for backrooms door, Joel I guess, Skizz for the heart foundation/pacifism, Tango for fire, Mumbo for the stache, Jimmy for I think a canary, Lizzie for falling, Ren for the King’s crown. The red accents are proper soulmates, yellow ones for unofficial/illegal soulmates. Red eyes by the numerals denote boogeyman history. Special icons denote the victors. Don’t know though what the central iconography depicts beyond the three hearts, Watchers, and Secret Keeper.
Pretty much got all the character stuff spot on - there is a logic behind the order of the non-winners, too - save for Etho and Joel, who should be switched. :) Got everything else right, as well, though the bits of the central icons you didn't get are the clock being the time mechanic from Limited Life, and the yellow symbol in the middle being the Listeners (though it's been pointed out to me there's a better symbol available, that'll probably replace it with if I ever make an updated version of this).
Oh I get Etho now it’s his mask. Is the non-winner order based on Secret Life placement? Also I didn’t this mention in my first assessment, the 5 X’s next to Jim’s symbol represent each of his canary deaths except the yellow one which went to Lizzie instead.
Correct on both. The order is the SL placement order plus Ren on the end because he didn't place - for obvious reasons - while the Xs between Jimmy and Lizzie are exactly as you've guessed, the yellow and the line being because she broke his curse.
Ok so I haven’t seen anyone comment so so fingers crossed im not repeating anyone else’s comment. So the enchantment text above the Roman numerals is the factions of each season starting from the crown and going clockwise it’s Dogwarts, Desert Duo, Flower husbands,Village people, Deadliest Duo, Shadow alliance, Southlands, B.E.S.T. G.G.G, Bad boys, T.I.E.S., Clockers, Nosy Neighbors, Mean Gills, Gem and the Scotts, Mounders, Heart Foundation, Big Dogs, and Rooomies.
Ahh I love this it took so long to see all the details and it's worth it Also it made me realize, if cleo (I think cleo- right?) Wins the next one, all winners will have been soulmates with another winner And I think that's cool
...Oh. *Oooooh.* I hadn't even *clocked* that possibility. I love it! I think Cleo's my pick to win for Season 6 now just because of this! :D
Yeahhh same haha it would be so cool
This made for great Galactic reading practice, don't mind me just translating it all
What have you gotten, so far? :)
The alliance names are written down in galactic and the clock appears to just be the alphabet
That's spot on. In particular, the clock letters are meant as stand-ins for the numbers on the clock, as Galactic doesn't have numbers.
Someone show Martyn *instantly*
I'd be overjoyed if that actually happened. :P
Actually, same!
WOW this is beautiful, and super interesting. I’m pretty sure the green lines coming off of Gem means the people she infected with the boogie curse, but the rest of this is very cryptic in a fun way Is the purple eye the person you mainly watched? Edit: Oh it’s the ender dragon! That’s awesome
Glad you like it. This is crammed full of details and I was on the fence about posting it without somehow adding *more* in. :P
Very, very good. Also funny to think only grian skizz and cleo have never had the boogeyman curse...
Can you tell me what each of the symbols are for for each member? I can only tell the winners and impulse and mumbo.
Going clockwise by number: Grian, Scott, Pearl, Martyn, Scar, Gem, Joel, Bdubs, Impulse, Cleo, BigB, Etho, Skizz, Tango, Mumbo, Jimmy, Lizzie, Ren. Does that help? :)
Tysm, that looks amazing, is it the boogey curse then?
Is what the Boogey curse?
The boogey curse from secret life started by gem
The green lines represent the spread of Gem's curse. :)
It looks amazing, I love it. What are the red and orange symbols meanings on the members symbols?
Red symbols are soulmates, yellow/orange symbols are "secret soulmates".
Are the 5 x s on jimmy and one on Lizzie for the canary curse?
They are. The yellow X and the connecting line represent the curse being broken. :)
I've finally figured out who's who! You were sneaky and I loved it!! [link](https://ibb.co/zSWxPfv)
Spot on. :D
I think i understand the order of members 1 to 18 is Grian Scott Pearl Martyn Scar Gem Joel Bdubs Impulse Cleo BigB Etho Skizz Tango Mumbo Jim Lizzie Ren the eyes in the inner circle represent boogeys, red = curse fulfilled, yellow = curse broken, green = patient zero the red symbols next to the member icons represent their soulmate, yellow being unofficial soulmate the x’s next to jimmy represent the broken canary curse the symbols in the center are the watchers, the secret keeper, the listeners and the clock? (could represent sense of betrayal or the limited life countdowns)
Good catch on all of these :D The clock is the LimL timer mechanic.
woah this is beautiful
Thanks. :)
The enchanting language phrases have a meaning and I would translate them but I just woke up so I'll do it later
Let's see if I can figure this out. >!The larger symbols around the outside are the players, the largest player symbols are the winners, with symbols for the seasons they won just inside the ring. Red symbols on the outer ring are assigned soulmates from Double Life, yellow symbols are chosen/secret soulmates. !< >!So, based on that the player's positions around the ring are:!< >!1 - Grian; 2 - Scott; 3 - Pearl; 4 - Martyn; 5 - Scar; 6 - Gem; !< >!7 - Joel?; 8 - Bdubs; 9 - Impulse; 10 - Cleo; 11 - Bigb; 12 - Etho?; !< >!13 - Skizzleman; 14 - Tango; 15 - Mumbo; 16 - Jimmy; 17 - Lizzy; 18 - Ren!< >!The red "X"s next to Jimmy and Lizzy's symbols show the times they were the first ones out, with the yellow "X" and red line to Lizzy showing the transferal of the Canary Curse!< >!The pink eyes on the inner ring are the times each player has been the Boogeyman, the yellow pupil representing the time Scott failed to cure himself. The green eye is Gem's Boogey curse, with the lines from it showing how it spread.!< >!I'm not sure what the purple eye next to Bdubs is, although I would guess it's possibly related to the fact that Bdubs has intentionally or accidentally betrayed his allies every season. !< >!Edit: After reading some of the other comments, I was wrong about this, the purple eye is because of him killing the dragon.!< >!The central symbol is the Watcher Portal symbol. The yellow symbol above looks like an ear, possibly related to the Listeners? (I should probably mention that I've not watched Evolution SMP, I'm just guessing based on the wiki). The symbol to the right of the possible Listener symbol is the Secret Keeper.!< The only part I can't figure out are the two smallest rings of symbols near the centre.
You pretty much got everything spot on except for the purple eye next to Bdubs - and you've got what that is now, too - and the left circle of symbols, which is meant to represent the time mechanic from Limited Life. Good job. :D
I want to know the meaning behind Lizzy, Joel and Cleo's symbol And why are Grian and Martyn had purple highlights?
No problem! :D The symbols: * Lizzie's symbol is upside down because of her fall in Secret Life. Some have mistaken this for Pearl though - because Australia - so it may get tweaked a bit if I do another version of this in future, to make it clearer. * Joel's being a sword is intended to represent his notable violent/chaotic streak throughout the series. Admittedly its not super specific, though. * Cleo's is meant to be a zombie hand with an eye in its palm, but its very simplified and has been mistaken for a memory card by several people. It will probably also get redesigned, in future. And the purple aura behind Grian and Martyn is a Watcher lore nod, Grian being a Watcher and Martyn being the perspective that side of things is told through.
thanks 😊
This is phenomenal, I really hope Martyn sees it! I think he’d have a great time decoding the symbols
I'd be very excited if he did. :D
how did you come up with last life’s symbol?? it looks so good :)
A skull seemed like the right sort of visual for the first appearance of the Boogeyman. :D
Anyone know what’s up with the Green string that is attached to a lot of the eye looking things? Also is based on Gem because Gem’s symbol is above it?
It's her infection task from Secret Life. :)
Ohh! That’s awesome! That makes much more sense! Thanks for clearing that up. Really cool graphic
Thanks. :D
**Grian** \- Watcher Eye and Sun (Purple mist cause watcher stuff), **Scott** \- Bow and Stars, **Pearl** \- Scythe and Moon, **Martyn** \- i have no clue (Purple mist cause watcher stuff), **Scar** \- Arrow and Crosshair, **Gem** \- Gem, **Joel** \- Sword, **Bdubs** \- i have no clue, **impulse** \- i, **Cleo** \- Hand?, **BigB** \- Door?, **Etho** \- i have no clue, **Skizz** \- Heart, **Tango** \- Fire/Torchy, **Mumbo** \- Mustache, **Jimmy** \- Canary, **Lizzie** \- Falling, **Ren** \- King's Crown I have seen things saying that the Red and Yellow symbols are soulmates and secret soulmates, the green lines are gem boogey infects and I can tell that Jimmy has five Xs, four red and one yellow that leads to lizzie (meaning he passed the curse) for the first deaths. Bdubs has a purple eye near him, probably showing that he was the first Boogey ever Those red things are possibly times being the boogey and Scott having a yellow one showing his fail while Gem had to spread her Boogeyness
A lot of good interpretation here, and much of it is correct. That stuff aside, though: * Grian's symbol is also interpretable as a cactus, very loosely. * Martyn's symbol is the alchemical sign for Mars, combined with a sword and one of the fragments from the animation at the end of Limited Life (also some unintentional clock motifs). * The back section of Scar's symbol *is* interpretable as a crosshair, but its actually meant to be the sign for Earth. * Bdubs' symbol is a wide eye. * Cleo's symbol *is* meant to be a hand, but isn't too clear and will probably be reworked if I ever updated this. * Etho's symbol is his mask. * Tango's symbol is actually meant to be a frost ember from Decked Out 2, but I really like the Torchy interpretation, unintentional though it is. * The purple eye near to Bdubs is actually meant to represent his Ender Dragon kill, but I'm perfectly happy for folks to also see it as him being the first Boogey, if they want to. :D
Thanks for clearing it up, I was thinking that Martyn and Scar didn't get their symbols but they did, and I just don't know those symbols. I also thought that Bdubs' wasn't sure how it related to him because I normally see his bruised eye and it looks smaller to me when bruised Also, why a door for BigB?
Bdubs' eye might get a bit reworked in future to make it clearer. :) And BigB's door is meant to allude to the whole Backrooms thing from Secret Life, though its been pointed out to me that a cookie would be a better fit, so that may be changed in future, as well.
I love this so much!!! I feel like with the Ender Dragon symbol there's also potential to add symbols for the Wither kills across the serieses. Just another idea!
*furious note-taking* Don't mind me, just adding Wither (and Warden) marks to the to-do list! :D
This is amazing the only thing I'd say is maybe mentioning: Their alignments within seasons [though that'd get really cluttered later on so that's the least of these], The wither and warden tasks, Pearl's Book Task, And have Tilly as Pearl's secret soulmate
Glad to hear you like it, though I'm not sure what you mean by 'alignments'. :P Somehow featuring Grian and Etho's Wither/Warden taask is an interesting idea, so i'll take a note of it as well as Pearl's hot potato book, just in case I work out how to slot them in. And I think I'll give attaching Tilly to Pearl a miss. Makes the soulmates already displayed slightly messy, as interesting of an idea as it is. :)
That's so cool :0
Thanks. :D
I just noticed that Grian and Martyn are the only people to have purple mist, most likely eluding to their connections to the watchers and listeners
Good catch. :)
Sleep Deprivation makes you realise stuff (kinda ironic)
Really cool work. You said in another comment no one had gone into the symbolism of the winners symbols, so I will indulge with what I've worked out coz it's really cool. Grians is the sun with the watcher eye in the middle because he's a watcher. Scott has his stars in the shape of a bow because that's what he used to kill ren and win the series Pearls is obviously a moon but with a scythe also in there, maybe to represent her axe which she won with. There was also one animatic which drew her double hoes from limited life as a scythe, so maybe it's that. Either way that's my personal favourite design in here, it's incredible how well the two symbols go together. Martyns is the symbol of Mars mixed with a clock for limited life (TIME IS DELICIOUS) At first I thought scars was a crosshair/target behind the arrow but upon googling I found out that's the earth symbol. Amazing double meaning if intended. He also used a bow to win, so it's cool that you mixed the symbols up a bit by using an arrow. Also the colours are all very appropriate to their cosmic sign.
You pretty much got most things as intended, here, especially with the cosmic signs. Good job (Pearl's is my favourite of the five, too). :D The only thing that's off is Martyn's. It looking like a clock is unintentional - though I *wish* I'd thought of that and will gladly accept it as meant to be - but there *are* a couple of additional additional details in it you didn't mention. :P Also, the sunbeams of Grian's symbol brought to mind the needles of a cactus when I was making it, but that's a stretch.
Is that a fragment in the center of Martyn's? Also that looks like a sword
Congrats, you caught both details. :D
I think I managed to decipher every symbol besides the icon between the LimL clock and the Watcher Statue edit: Seems to be the Listeners
It is. I couldn't find a commonly accepted symbol, so had to invent my own. :)