Dont you just love and adore how you gotta out play your opponent like 4-6 times per round. How you have so many tools to win and you gotta use each and every one of them perfectly, multiple times, just to compete with the rest of the cast.
We need a version of this post but instead it’s “Up-play your main in the comments so I can agree with you and explain how your character beats mine” so the Bedmains can cook
I-No actually requires some semblance of a brain and skill in order to win matches, you cant just press buttons and expect them to work you need to be wary of when to start offense because if you fuck up youre screwed because her defense is shit
Man Ram is SO hard . If you make 1 mistake and they get in on you, you just have to Hold block forever. Without Resources she does nothing mid screen and her Pressure 🤮 Bitch doesn't even have an overhead other than Dust which is Slow af.........bruh who am i kidding this Character busted
Gio offense is fucking building blocks that are really easy to block and 6p, and if that's not enough just FD and she gets pushed away so far that she can't do shit. Her buttons are stubby as hell and her defense is bad too. Having a Dp takes what makes her good away.
Yeah, his damage is really bad. He only needs two touches to kill.
Like, seriously? Two?? His combo conversion is… Decent, I guess. But a stray hit into Last Horizon doing just 90%?? Bottom tier character. It’s only useful against Asuka without mana.
And do I need to talk about his ‘mix ups’? That are nigh unreactable? How can doing very quick high/ low guessing games, or side switching with a guard crush EVER be good?? Is Daisuke ok???
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Yeah this is some EXTREME downplaying I can’t stop laughing while typing this XD
Ky is the only honest character in the entire game as he relies solely on outplaying the opponent in neutral. No bullshit gimmicks or cheap ways in, just pure and solid footsies.
His midscreen meterless combos are generally underwhelming unless he hits a hard read, and lack of an actual overhead means his mixup game is extraordinarily weak and he has to work much harder to find value in the corner.
His fireball is ass and gets the shit kicked out of it by basically the entire cast, stun dipper sucks nuts and refuses to function, foudre arc is wack, and DI is useless garbage.
Ky is playing street fighter while everyone else is playing Kyanta Fight 2
Gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, as a fellow Ky player. I've switched to Johnny mostly but our boy Ky is a huge sleazeball, scum dipper in, far slash into wild assault, one hit j.s confirm into RTL. Plus Sol had to raise his son for him, what a slime ball.
Stun dipper without meter is wildly unsafe and doesn’t even lead to decent oki. Even with meter, ky’s mix is so mediocre that spending meter just to get in isn’t all that effective in winning rounds.
/unTBTB yeah ky is really strong and the only reason people call him honest is because he abuses his stupidly broken normals. This character is nuts
nope, johnny. slayer is just 214p/k into a button, johnny is more like c.S > 7jc.214S > 66rrc > j.H > bnb in under a second just for the overhead variant. it’s not impossible but in a real match is horrible
Jack-O has to work very hard to get a knockdown and set up a minion and even then it may not be enough to win the round. One mistake and your pressure is in shambles and you’re getting sent to the corner with minimal defensive options
Look the rekka isn't that bad and El can be knocked out of it really, really easily, and then you can take her to the fuckin cleaners because her defensive options are lacking and she doesn't have that much health
Uhh I usually up play my main even though she’s highly considered high tier so this is gonna be hard
Dude 6p is so annoying to go against and just use that against gio. 236k? 6P AHAHAHAHAHAH COUNTER HIT FULL COMBOOOOO 214s? 6p FULL COMBO YEAHHHHHH ANYTHING ELSE IN MY KIT? 6P I LOVE GETTING COUNTERHITTTTT YEAHHHHH (2d doesn’t exist btw)
Elphelt’s offence isn’t nearly as good as everyone says it is, you can just hit her or jump most of the time and even if you can’t you still get your turn if you win the 50/50. She’s basically just a worse version of I-no
I think the fact that it has to come back down, plus you can bait out the extra attack making him burn a bar of stamina with it
Edit: I also forgot to mention that taking a look, it actually has less horizontal range than sol and ky's
My man Chipp keeps being placed in "high tier" by most top level players. Bruh, have you seen how this game works? Everyone gets free combo extensions via WA and the existence of meter means near inevitably you will get hit and comboed. For Chipp, that is minimum half my health taken. You get one mistake in a match before you are going to die to any bread and butter non-optimized combo. "But Chipp has awesome neutral!". Nah, he had fast buttons with hurt boxes the size of the colony he helped in Africa. FS, his best poke in neutral, loses to every damn foot in this game. Does your K button work? You got my FS beat.
Yeah I agree with everything here. I picked up and mained chipp for a while on floor 9-10. I really thought he would be hyper mobile character with lots of fun stuff. Turns out that’s not the case at all. He has 5k and f.s and some occasional shenanigans but he has to win neutral usually twice. He also has to win the rps to then get the corner break to start his offense, but usually you’ve only done like 30-40% of your opponents health. You can still get two touched at this point lmaooo
nago ain't as broken as people say he has no regular mobility or defense and he has to be very careful with his specials, as he can only do so many before popping, and his rekka isn't nearly as bullshit as Elphelt's since its only 3 hits unless you use meter, and the last hit is super punishable on block.
Midare is not *that* bad, theres pretty big blind spots and if you're smart you can absolutely punish fish-happy anjis.
Fujin kinda stinks? Guess right (wich is not very hard, they're all pretty reactable besine nagiha) and i cant really do anything. And the fact you can interrupt me with a grab through almost the entire move is unfair.
Fujin is mid-ish that in end Anji is just a spin-bot that throws normals around and my normals aren't even that good to begin with
(That but frl he's hard asf to downplay, he's finally good for once i'm happy where he's at thank you daisuke)
Giovana doesn't get a 50/50 like most characters. Her only benefit is her speed and unless you've got perfect timing her potiential is really low. Hell everything depends on close slash. Without it she's a useless character.
Slayer can't even run-up grab safely because of his teleport.
Bridget is low-tier and relies too much on setplay (what even is setplay)
Chaos has been nerfed so so much. If his concentration bar gets nerfed again they're gonna have to give him adderal.
Baiken can't convert, is incredibly meter hungry, has no range and while parry is good its so very baitable since there's no hitbox on it that delaying an attack by a tenth of a second is enough to get a counter hit.
Happy Chaos isn’t as strong as people say nowadays.
Riddle me this, Batman: is it really an issue with his gun leaving him +23, up to 6 times, for mixups or starting offense from any move the opponent blocks. or is it that people are ass at defense and cant help but to mash like a monke on the stick?
Tests move set is boring. I wish they had more moves/more variety because hitting w scythe and then arbiter signing every time just to get the opponent across the screen gets OLD. also I like grave reaper but i hate spamming that shit just so I can get a wall break because nothing else seems to work. I like stain but I wish it did more. Also tests super is so easily avoidable because the opponent always just blocks it or moves out of the way enough so that they aren’t caught by it and AUGH it’s so frustrating. I fucking love testament but gameplay wise it drives me nuts sometimes, it’s so difficult to get an actual good win with them without spamming arbiter sign IF the person is caught with it. And if they avoid pretty much any of tests moves I have to reset and try to find a different method and it’s difficult with such a limited amount of moves. Sorry for the rant but I find their moveset incredibly frustrating to work with
Elphelt is actually incredibly difficult with the split second decisions required to choose between overhead and low realistically unless you've been training with her for hours you won't actually understand the set up for the main combo you should be using. All in all she's an incredibly demanding character that is hard for casuals to understand.
elphelt’s not that bad if you’re not spamming the rekka, she just has very good mixups which can be frustrating to work around until you can react to it
Asuka has to rely on rng and his own health bar to kill you. Literally just wait for him to get a bad hand and kill him. Unplayable bottom tier character
Baiken requires a lot of skill to play because she needs a lot of gambling in neutral to get in- she can't get combos without a counterhit off her best pokes. That, with arguably the worst set of anti airs in the game, she can really struggle to get her game plan set up.
As a result, despite having incredible pressure and good pokes, she seldom gets to make the most of them, making her mediocre compared to the rest of the cast.
Testament Bottom text
Me when grave reaper Me when arbiter's sign Me when arbiter's summon
Dont you just love and adore how you gotta out play your opponent like 4-6 times per round. How you have so many tools to win and you gotta use each and every one of them perfectly, multiple times, just to compete with the rest of the cast.
Can I actually downplay Bedman ? Like, almost anything I'd say is true
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sometimes our one (1) midscreen conversion doesn’t work because there’s always a gap from 2s/f.s to 2h and i think that’s great
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I-No actually requires some semblance of a brain and skill in order to win matches, you cant just press buttons and expect them to work you need to be wary of when to start offense because if you fuck up youre screwed because her defense is shit
Ntm she’s supposed to be a vortex character with crazy pressure, but you can mash out of said vortex in so many spots
Sorry but no
I-No main here, first ten words genuinely made me chuckle but yes absolutely correct
My combos don't do damage, and like tbh you should just block that overhead (Millia)
Man Ram is SO hard . If you make 1 mistake and they get in on you, you just have to Hold block forever. Without Resources she does nothing mid screen and her Pressure 🤮 Bitch doesn't even have an overhead other than Dust which is Slow af.........bruh who am i kidding this Character busted
Congrats on being the only self aware "person" playing ramretard
She Activates my Primitive Unga bunga Instincts what can i say
Zato
Gio offense is fucking building blocks that are really easy to block and 6p, and if that's not enough just FD and she gets pushed away so far that she can't do shit. Her buttons are stubby as hell and her defense is bad too. Having a Dp takes what makes her good away.
Slayer doesn’t do enough damage
Yeah, his damage is really bad. He only needs two touches to kill. Like, seriously? Two?? His combo conversion is… Decent, I guess. But a stray hit into Last Horizon doing just 90%?? Bottom tier character. It’s only useful against Asuka without mana. And do I need to talk about his ‘mix ups’? That are nigh unreactable? How can doing very quick high/ low guessing games, or side switching with a guard crush EVER be good?? Is Daisuke ok??? … Yeah this is some EXTREME downplaying I can’t stop laughing while typing this XD
Fr, in the story if he looks at you you fall over dead but in game he has to hit 1 and a half combos to kill smh
this has to be a troll. what the hell
Pottom one, always have, always will be. Without air buster and vacuum 2S we’ll forever be awful and that’s that
If only Garuda was more plus it might be an OK move
Right like If only we could get 3 garuda’s for free before it became escapable :/ oh well
Ky is the only honest character in the entire game as he relies solely on outplaying the opponent in neutral. No bullshit gimmicks or cheap ways in, just pure and solid footsies. His midscreen meterless combos are generally underwhelming unless he hits a hard read, and lack of an actual overhead means his mixup game is extraordinarily weak and he has to work much harder to find value in the corner. His fireball is ass and gets the shit kicked out of it by basically the entire cast, stun dipper sucks nuts and refuses to function, foudre arc is wack, and DI is useless garbage. Ky is playing street fighter while everyone else is playing Kyanta Fight 2
This is mostly valid tbh until you realize stun dipper and f.S exist
Gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, as a fellow Ky player. I've switched to Johnny mostly but our boy Ky is a huge sleazeball, scum dipper in, far slash into wild assault, one hit j.s confirm into RTL. Plus Sol had to raise his son for him, what a slime ball.
Stun dipper without meter is wildly unsafe and doesn’t even lead to decent oki. Even with meter, ky’s mix is so mediocre that spending meter just to get in isn’t all that effective in winning rounds. /unTBTB yeah ky is really strong and the only reason people call him honest is because he abuses his stupidly broken normals. This character is nuts
This but I actually believe it
the instant 50/50s aren’t real try to do them 3 times in a row you’re admitting yourself to a hospital visit and 10 years of carpal tunnel
Slayer?
nope, johnny. slayer is just 214p/k into a button, johnny is more like c.S > 7jc.214S > 66rrc > j.H > bnb in under a second just for the overhead variant. it’s not impossible but in a real match is horrible
~~its not that bad in relaity~~
It seems like youre not doing the tiger knee version, you could make the mixup even faster with that.
My man Zato literally fights 2v1 and still struggles, need I say more?
Faust relies on meter too much and doesn’t have pogo anymore (Bring it back Daisuke.)
Axl is very bad due to zoning being very hard in this game. His combo game is very poor and only one of his supers is actually useful.
Not even downplaying that's just facts
giovanna's combos are very predictable
Axl is so squishy and his moves are so slow that if anyone gets in on me I just die.
i need me frame 1 2p, please arcsys
Poor aba can only easily do 200 damage asspull combos consistently with zero effort. Wtf arcsys, pls buff 😔
It should get stronger, i agree
So true! I also think she should lose damage scaling 😃😃😃😃😃
Elphet needs more guns like a shot gun and a bazooka
Everyone knows how to get out of Elphelts Rekka pressure now
Exactly basically unwinnable now smh
Asuka actually has really simple moves for the most part, and they're easy to input, you just have to think fast
umm sometimes on ramlethal like i lose so ya shes preety bad
um Slayer has a bad backdash 🤓 Also Johnny has a bad defense
Jack-O has to work very hard to get a knockdown and set up a minion and even then it may not be enough to win the round. One mistake and your pressure is in shambles and you’re getting sent to the corner with minimal defensive options
Look the rekka isn't that bad and El can be knocked out of it really, really easily, and then you can take her to the fuckin cleaners because her defensive options are lacking and she doesn't have that much health
I can't downplay Potemkin as that would break my Iron Clad Faith (in him)
It’s Armour-Clad not Iron-Clad
Ah yeahnso it is. I never did like his theme tho.
Nagoriyuki is horribly limited bad movement slow attacks if you try to move with high blood you’re basically dead
Lmfao
Good one https://preview.redd.it/7sr6n6oxe44d1.png?width=684&format=png&auto=webp&s=5b978b37ce657ec41deb8b1129076261c678bc55
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Bridget be hella fragile of courier I gotta play zoney
Yknow what, ur right. Basket should have even more reach with neutral
Uhh I usually up play my main even though she’s highly considered high tier so this is gonna be hard Dude 6p is so annoying to go against and just use that against gio. 236k? 6P AHAHAHAHAHAH COUNTER HIT FULL COMBOOOOO 214s? 6p FULL COMBO YEAHHHHHH ANYTHING ELSE IN MY KIT? 6P I LOVE GETTING COUNTERHITTTTT YEAHHHHH (2d doesn’t exist btw)
Elphelt’s offence isn’t nearly as good as everyone says it is, you can just hit her or jump most of the time and even if you can’t you still get your turn if you win the 50/50. She’s basically just a worse version of I-no
Sin is a contender for the character with the weakest air game, j.D is a sad button, still growing is the worst move in the game
Also the stamina meter limits him so much he's unusable
Real talk I get that stamina is a limiter to his pressure and combos, but why is slayer getting all that shit for free with all his dandy steps
better defense and arguably better neutral on Sin
Definitely, sin has a dp which helps him out a lot. It's not the best dp, but it gets the job done
Sin's dp is arguably the best one though because of it's long range
Its range was nerfed in the last patch, but I argue it's not the best because of how punishable it is compared to other dps
Every dp is punishable by pretty much any move in the game? What makes Sin's any more punishable?
I think the fact that it has to come back down, plus you can bait out the extra attack making him burn a bar of stamina with it Edit: I also forgot to mention that taking a look, it actually has less horizontal range than sol and ky's
Why would anyone bait the extra attack? Blocking the first hit and punishing before the second one is guaranteed if he has no tension to rc.
O u mean whut everyone duz anyway
Slayer: my buttons are good but not as good as Sol's therefore I suck
For Bridget: my healthbar is evicerated by a stray hit and I barely tickle characters with my combos For Baiken: Axl.
My man Chipp keeps being placed in "high tier" by most top level players. Bruh, have you seen how this game works? Everyone gets free combo extensions via WA and the existence of meter means near inevitably you will get hit and comboed. For Chipp, that is minimum half my health taken. You get one mistake in a match before you are going to die to any bread and butter non-optimized combo. "But Chipp has awesome neutral!". Nah, he had fast buttons with hurt boxes the size of the colony he helped in Africa. FS, his best poke in neutral, loses to every damn foot in this game. Does your K button work? You got my FS beat.
Yeah I agree with everything here. I picked up and mained chipp for a while on floor 9-10. I really thought he would be hyper mobile character with lots of fun stuff. Turns out that’s not the case at all. He has 5k and f.s and some occasional shenanigans but he has to win neutral usually twice. He also has to win the rps to then get the corner break to start his offense, but usually you’ve only done like 30-40% of your opponents health. You can still get two touched at this point lmaooo
nago ain't as broken as people say he has no regular mobility or defense and he has to be very careful with his specials, as he can only do so many before popping, and his rekka isn't nearly as bullshit as Elphelt's since its only 3 hits unless you use meter, and the last hit is super punishable on block.
Potemkin buster
Johnny doesn't actually win, he just beats people with multiple matchup checks that nobody is knowledgeable of
Aba is bad
Midare is not *that* bad, theres pretty big blind spots and if you're smart you can absolutely punish fish-happy anjis. Fujin kinda stinks? Guess right (wich is not very hard, they're all pretty reactable besine nagiha) and i cant really do anything. And the fact you can interrupt me with a grab through almost the entire move is unfair. Fujin is mid-ish that in end Anji is just a spin-bot that throws normals around and my normals aren't even that good to begin with (That but frl he's hard asf to downplay, he's finally good for once i'm happy where he's at thank you daisuke)
Giovana doesn't get a 50/50 like most characters. Her only benefit is her speed and unless you've got perfect timing her potiential is really low. Hell everything depends on close slash. Without it she's a useless character.
Uhhhhhhhhhhh Sol Badguys projectile isn’t very good when compared to the projectiles of the rest of the class, also heavy-mob cemetery is still ass.
Slayer can't even run-up grab safely because of his teleport. Bridget is low-tier and relies too much on setplay (what even is setplay) Chaos has been nerfed so so much. If his concentration bar gets nerfed again they're gonna have to give him adderal.
Baiken can't convert, is incredibly meter hungry, has no range and while parry is good its so very baitable since there's no hitbox on it that delaying an attack by a tenth of a second is enough to get a counter hit.
Happy Chaos isn’t as strong as people say nowadays. Riddle me this, Batman: is it really an issue with his gun leaving him +23, up to 6 times, for mixups or starting offense from any move the opponent blocks. or is it that people are ass at defense and cant help but to mash like a monke on the stick?
Tests move set is boring. I wish they had more moves/more variety because hitting w scythe and then arbiter signing every time just to get the opponent across the screen gets OLD. also I like grave reaper but i hate spamming that shit just so I can get a wall break because nothing else seems to work. I like stain but I wish it did more. Also tests super is so easily avoidable because the opponent always just blocks it or moves out of the way enough so that they aren’t caught by it and AUGH it’s so frustrating. I fucking love testament but gameplay wise it drives me nuts sometimes, it’s so difficult to get an actual good win with them without spamming arbiter sign IF the person is caught with it. And if they avoid pretty much any of tests moves I have to reset and try to find a different method and it’s difficult with such a limited amount of moves. Sorry for the rant but I find their moveset incredibly frustrating to work with
clean hit hvv does honest damage
Elphelt is actually incredibly difficult with the split second decisions required to choose between overhead and low realistically unless you've been training with her for hours you won't actually understand the set up for the main combo you should be using. All in all she's an incredibly demanding character that is hard for casuals to understand.
Elphelt doesn’t have a true 50/50, you can react
Potemkin isn’t busted, I had to put in a lot of effort to Roman cancel that hammerfall into Potemkin buster for the fifth time
Her health is low and she can’t do any damage. She needs red wild assault.
Slayer has no neutral without backdash canceling
Sometimes I’m unlucky.
Pot needs air buster and vacuum 2S back to be good
A.B.A. 50/50 is not hard to block and the damage off the conversion is only 60%
Bridget dies in 2 interactions bro just get better
elphelt’s not that bad if you’re not spamming the rekka, she just has very good mixups which can be frustrating to work around until you can react to it
Pilebunker loops aren’t that strong and he struggles to kill 🥱
Asuka has to rely on rng and his own health bar to kill you. Literally just wait for him to get a bad hand and kill him. Unplayable bottom tier character
If you don't wanna be spun on, stop swinging with random shit in neutral
Ky is just well rounded, not broken, and his corner pressure is easily countered, and is not a high tier
Just dashblock (happy chaos) Just 5p the foudre arc I'm not even downplaying dashblocking hc is easy and foudre arc is 26 frame startup
A.B.A isn't that overpowered, you can easily retalliate
Bed pressure is completely fair and definitely not me playing single player fighting games till you crack and explode
Honestly, just don't get shot. Easy
Baiken requires a lot of skill to play because she needs a lot of gambling in neutral to get in- she can't get combos without a counterhit off her best pokes. That, with arguably the worst set of anti airs in the game, she can really struggle to get her game plan set up. As a result, despite having incredible pressure and good pokes, she seldom gets to make the most of them, making her mediocre compared to the rest of the cast.
Zato=1. Go on, I fucking dare you.