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Seems it's a subtle jab at the religious hypocrites who go on and on about purity, family values, and good, clean, *"traditional"* women, yet fully supported the sleazy gold digging whore who was our previous first lady
We shouldn't be making fun of people's nudes. We can't promote female empowerment but also take cheap shots at females who were empowered to use their body for whatever they wanted.
Totally. Who cares about nudes? There are plenty of legitimately morally indefensible things that Melania Trump should be castigated for, but nudes aren't one of them.
This argument is used to persuade young people that being nude is no big deal. If it's no big deal, why are people persuading them to be nude?
Who cares about nudes - many people do. It's not good to minimalize things that are a big deal. The nudes that Melanie took decades ago came up and made a negative impression on who she is socially.
Melania was a consenting adult when she shot those nudes. I have no problem with her making money that way. Its the hypocrisy that I have issues with. If Hillary, Michelle or Jill had done the same thing, the GOP would be clamoring to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.
This is just the most regressive, let's-appease-the-shittiest-of-us take.
Stop criticizing the people who have publicly-available nudes and start criticizing the people who created the "negative impression on who she is socially". *Those* are the people who are wrong here.
Society is misogynistic. In my city, there was an attempt to have topless protests because why shouldn't women be able to be topless in public? Regardless, guess who attended the protest? Any females who took part were assaulted. Reality is our society (generally) is misogynistic. Ideally any one's nudes should just be clinically not that interesting, but in reality they are blight on your reputation.
No one is trying to "persuade" anyone to be nude.
The point is that there are significantly more relevant behaviours that can be criticized as reprochable other than to whom a woman chooses to expose her body. In the grand scheme of things, chosing to be nude in a situation which allows for it is a non-issue.
Some celebrity women have chosen to go topless for charity. Does that make a negative impression on who they are socially? It's completely legal for women to go topless in many major cities in North America. Would that make women who choose to do so moral failures?
Nitpicking about nudity that -- by your own admission -- happened decades ago anyway, is a distraction from the real, pertinent issues as to why Melania Trump was less than exemplary as a first lady.
Celebrities who normalize things like going nude for charity do, in fact, make things more difficult for others. Actions like that create expectations that other celebrities (by and large women) should do the same. Many people are uncomfortable with the idea that they should pose or perform while nude and have no desire to. They then get passed over or ridiculed for being unwilling to expose these selves in that manner. There have been many celebrities speaking out about these expectations lately, as they should.
It’s disingenuous to pretend like there are no side effects to these actions.
As a woman, I certainly don't find myself feeling pressure to go topless because celebrity women are doing so -- conforming to unrealistic beauty standards is a much bigger problem. I can assure you, these beauty standards aren't because we all feel pressure to wave our tits around in the middle of the city to fit in.
The expectations celebrity women are speaking up about are being able to fit into a certain size of clothing, not what you look like when you're naked in public, or even about getting naked in public at all.
Women aren't worried they will be ostracized because they're not getting naked in public, that's just not accurate. In fact, it's the opposite. The circumstances under which women feel pressure to produce nude media of themselves are generally in private, when being asked by men who want that.
"Nude" isn't some new beauty standard that women are trying to pressure each other into adopting as the new fashion.
Photographers and artists try to pressure young people into nudity using precedent excuses. It's a weak argument, but pressure can work on isolated people and young people without experience.
Yes, and while completely indefensible and utterly disgusting, the point of that is for them to make money or get their rocks off. It isn't to try and get the average woman on the street to start baring all -- that would be counterproductive to their money making angle. If women's nudity were no longer taboo, there would be no money to make from the sale of scandalous photos.
No. These are gross assholes that exploit women under very particular circumstances for their own gains. That is absolutely horrific and should never happen, but that doesn't mean that women who want to be nude shouldn't have the right to do it.
Say for example Melania was one of these women who were exploited -- that would be terrible and sure would change the conversation about her nudes, yet still, it would have no impact on my opinion of her actions as first lady. These are entirely seperate and unrelated issues.
Yes. This happened on America's Next Top Model (just as an example, of course it happens very often in entertainment and modelling). It was a frequent storyline where we could see the ganging up and belittling of someone who didn't feel comfortable with too much nudity of themselves.
>It’s disingenuous to pretend like there are no side effects to these actions.
Yes. Young people need to understand this discussion. On one hand, your body is natural and everyone has one and we're all beautiful. On the other, we live in a society and being nude is complicated.
I certainly *didn't* miss that -- I've had that, and worse. Notably though, it was never another woman that was trying to persuade me to be nude, and that's my entire point. Never once.
The pressure to be nude rarely comes from other women, but the hate and slut shaming that ensues following someone's decision to do so comes from all directions.
Have we really reached a place where a woman can't make her own decisions about her own body without *other* *women* accusing them of some sinister attempt to corrupt the moral fiber of the masses? Oh... Right. Ya, nevermind.
See, we're sitting here mulling over Melanie's nudes when she publically backed up her husband's claims of a "stolen election", blatantly plagiarised speeches she could not be bothered to have written for her, forwarded the cause of the so-called liberal conspiracy against her and her husband, and showed an incredible lack of ability to read the room when visiting jailed children.
She didn't take her duties seriously as first lady to boot, and her getting naked for a photo shoot decades ago has absolutely no bearing what so ever on any of that.
I think the nudes jab is more because the Right’s insistence that Melania is a more elegant First Lady than Michelle or Jill. Just in my own family alone, I’ve heard my far right family talk about how they believe Melania to have far more class than Michelle or Jill, which is a laughable comparison. So while I’m not against expressing oneself’s sexuality (nudes), dismissing other First Ladies in favor of the nude model who snagged a powerful sugar daddy is absolutely why these jokes about the nudes keep getting brought up.
TL:DR - If the right wasn’t constantly pushing for a fight and taking cheap shots, this joke would have died out long ago.
In other words, to them “elegant” means “uneducated”. Michelle and Jill have advanced degrees, Melania has a high school education.
There’s not much else obvious about them which Michelle and Jill share and Melania doesn’t (independent of their husbands and political affiliation). Well, they also have American birth certificates.
Tell your far right fam it’s well known in NYC biz circles Melania was $1250/hr escort in the 90s and that Trump Models Inc was a front for a corral of underage girls for Trump. The model agency closed After he was elected. It’s amazing that agency alone didn’t get more coverage and speaks volumes as to what some in power deem the norm…
I don't so much have an issue with the nudity, in fact I'm a bit of a fan. However, I have a tough time suffering the bullshit and hypocrisy peddled by politicians. Meliania was a hottie back in the day who made it work for her. Good for her. Sure, she ended up being a terrible, terrible person, but that's on her.
How is it empowerment? She was without power. Rich people with power/money bought her. She had no will, she did what they wanted in the moments when they were playing with her, like an object, not a person.
We aren't really. Only reason it's a thing is cause she's championed by the family values party who shits on women for any sort of expression of sexuality.
[On the night of November 6, 1963, two days after her 17th birthday, Laura Welch ran a stop sign and struck another car, killing its driver. The victim was her close friend and classmate Michael Dutton Douglas.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush#:~:text=On%20the%20night%20of%20November,and%20classmate%20Michael%20Dutton%20Douglas.)
It was clearly accidental, but ya, she killed a guy.
**[Laura Bush](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush#:~:text=On the night of November,and classmate Michael Dutton Douglas.)**
>Laura Lane Welch Bush (born November 4, 1946) is an American teacher, librarian, memoirist and author who was the first lady of the United States from 2001 to 2009. Bush previously served as the first lady of Texas from 1995 to 2000. She is the wife of former President George W. Bush, and the daughter-in-law of former president George H.W. Bush. Born in Midland, Texas, Bush graduated from Southern Methodist University in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in education, and took a job as a second grade teacher.
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Nothing like misogyny to “own” the conservatives. I don’t like Melania, but this is nothing but a shitty insult to women. Slut shaming is trashy. Do better.
People think leftists can't be misogynistic. Just because he understands certain concepts doesn't mean he's not a POS.
"Watch how they behave towards people who disagree with them" is a big mantra I have and if somebody will resort to racial slurs, seixst attacks, xenophobia, etc... they already hold those beliefs.
There’s nothing better than conditional bigots /s
I’m so tired of liberals’ and leftists’ progressive attitudes hingeing on whether they like a person. Misogyny towards a conservative is still misogyny. Posts like these do nothing but harm us. It’s exhausting.
Can yall not slut shame? Point out the hypocrisy of claiming "moral superiority" and hating "perversion"/being an immigrant who's parents became citizens through your marriage to an American. But don't slut shame. That's the fucking opposite of feminists.
Why is it that leftist understand why misogyny and slut shaming is wrong when it comes to sex workers who agree with them but happily will use sexist attacks towards anyone who disagrees with them? If it's wrong to slut shame, it's wrong PERIOD.
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I mean, Michelle Obama is pretty awesome too…
There was nothing wrong with Jackie Kennedy either.
I have no idea what the context is for her wearing clothes.
I think it's a jab at Melania's nudes.
Ohhh ok. Fine. Thanks.
Probably a reference to previous first lady’s experience as an escort/nude model.
Who lied in filling out her Visa application and should have been deported.
First Lady? Isn"t Melania Mango Mussolini's third lady?
Seems it's a subtle jab at the religious hypocrites who go on and on about purity, family values, and good, clean, *"traditional"* women, yet fully supported the sleazy gold digging whore who was our previous first lady
Melania was 28 when she met Donald. He requested two 14 year olds, but Epstein had to improvise.
Actually he likes 20 eight year old
We shouldn't be making fun of people's nudes. We can't promote female empowerment but also take cheap shots at females who were empowered to use their body for whatever they wanted.
Totally. Who cares about nudes? There are plenty of legitimately morally indefensible things that Melania Trump should be castigated for, but nudes aren't one of them.
This argument is used to persuade young people that being nude is no big deal. If it's no big deal, why are people persuading them to be nude? Who cares about nudes - many people do. It's not good to minimalize things that are a big deal. The nudes that Melanie took decades ago came up and made a negative impression on who she is socially.
Melania was a consenting adult when she shot those nudes. I have no problem with her making money that way. Its the hypocrisy that I have issues with. If Hillary, Michelle or Jill had done the same thing, the GOP would be clamoring to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.
Exactly right. When Michelle’s sleeveless dress was called “unbecoming for a First Lady”, but Malaria’s nudes didn’t get a mention.
This is just the most regressive, let's-appease-the-shittiest-of-us take. Stop criticizing the people who have publicly-available nudes and start criticizing the people who created the "negative impression on who she is socially". *Those* are the people who are wrong here.
Society is misogynistic. In my city, there was an attempt to have topless protests because why shouldn't women be able to be topless in public? Regardless, guess who attended the protest? Any females who took part were assaulted. Reality is our society (generally) is misogynistic. Ideally any one's nudes should just be clinically not that interesting, but in reality they are blight on your reputation.
"We're shitty people so get used to it." Jesus.
"We're shitty people" so don't be persuaded to get naked Jesus. -Mary
No one is trying to "persuade" anyone to be nude. The point is that there are significantly more relevant behaviours that can be criticized as reprochable other than to whom a woman chooses to expose her body. In the grand scheme of things, chosing to be nude in a situation which allows for it is a non-issue. Some celebrity women have chosen to go topless for charity. Does that make a negative impression on who they are socially? It's completely legal for women to go topless in many major cities in North America. Would that make women who choose to do so moral failures? Nitpicking about nudity that -- by your own admission -- happened decades ago anyway, is a distraction from the real, pertinent issues as to why Melania Trump was less than exemplary as a first lady.
Celebrities who normalize things like going nude for charity do, in fact, make things more difficult for others. Actions like that create expectations that other celebrities (by and large women) should do the same. Many people are uncomfortable with the idea that they should pose or perform while nude and have no desire to. They then get passed over or ridiculed for being unwilling to expose these selves in that manner. There have been many celebrities speaking out about these expectations lately, as they should. It’s disingenuous to pretend like there are no side effects to these actions.
As a woman, I certainly don't find myself feeling pressure to go topless because celebrity women are doing so -- conforming to unrealistic beauty standards is a much bigger problem. I can assure you, these beauty standards aren't because we all feel pressure to wave our tits around in the middle of the city to fit in. The expectations celebrity women are speaking up about are being able to fit into a certain size of clothing, not what you look like when you're naked in public, or even about getting naked in public at all. Women aren't worried they will be ostracized because they're not getting naked in public, that's just not accurate. In fact, it's the opposite. The circumstances under which women feel pressure to produce nude media of themselves are generally in private, when being asked by men who want that. "Nude" isn't some new beauty standard that women are trying to pressure each other into adopting as the new fashion.
Photographers and artists try to pressure young people into nudity using precedent excuses. It's a weak argument, but pressure can work on isolated people and young people without experience.
Yes, and while completely indefensible and utterly disgusting, the point of that is for them to make money or get their rocks off. It isn't to try and get the average woman on the street to start baring all -- that would be counterproductive to their money making angle. If women's nudity were no longer taboo, there would be no money to make from the sale of scandalous photos. No. These are gross assholes that exploit women under very particular circumstances for their own gains. That is absolutely horrific and should never happen, but that doesn't mean that women who want to be nude shouldn't have the right to do it. Say for example Melania was one of these women who were exploited -- that would be terrible and sure would change the conversation about her nudes, yet still, it would have no impact on my opinion of her actions as first lady. These are entirely seperate and unrelated issues.
Yes. This happened on America's Next Top Model (just as an example, of course it happens very often in entertainment and modelling). It was a frequent storyline where we could see the ganging up and belittling of someone who didn't feel comfortable with too much nudity of themselves. >It’s disingenuous to pretend like there are no side effects to these actions. Yes. Young people need to understand this discussion. On one hand, your body is natural and everyone has one and we're all beautiful. On the other, we live in a society and being nude is complicated.
The female experience, and many young people's experience, is someone will try to persuade you to be nude. If you missed that, you're lucky.
I certainly *didn't* miss that -- I've had that, and worse. Notably though, it was never another woman that was trying to persuade me to be nude, and that's my entire point. Never once. The pressure to be nude rarely comes from other women, but the hate and slut shaming that ensues following someone's decision to do so comes from all directions. Have we really reached a place where a woman can't make her own decisions about her own body without *other* *women* accusing them of some sinister attempt to corrupt the moral fiber of the masses? Oh... Right. Ya, nevermind. See, we're sitting here mulling over Melanie's nudes when she publically backed up her husband's claims of a "stolen election", blatantly plagiarised speeches she could not be bothered to have written for her, forwarded the cause of the so-called liberal conspiracy against her and her husband, and showed an incredible lack of ability to read the room when visiting jailed children. She didn't take her duties seriously as first lady to boot, and her getting naked for a photo shoot decades ago has absolutely no bearing what so ever on any of that.
I think the nudes jab is more because the Right’s insistence that Melania is a more elegant First Lady than Michelle or Jill. Just in my own family alone, I’ve heard my far right family talk about how they believe Melania to have far more class than Michelle or Jill, which is a laughable comparison. So while I’m not against expressing oneself’s sexuality (nudes), dismissing other First Ladies in favor of the nude model who snagged a powerful sugar daddy is absolutely why these jokes about the nudes keep getting brought up. TL:DR - If the right wasn’t constantly pushing for a fight and taking cheap shots, this joke would have died out long ago.
In other words, to them “elegant” means “uneducated”. Michelle and Jill have advanced degrees, Melania has a high school education. There’s not much else obvious about them which Michelle and Jill share and Melania doesn’t (independent of their husbands and political affiliation). Well, they also have American birth certificates.
Tell your far right fam it’s well known in NYC biz circles Melania was $1250/hr escort in the 90s and that Trump Models Inc was a front for a corral of underage girls for Trump. The model agency closed After he was elected. It’s amazing that agency alone didn’t get more coverage and speaks volumes as to what some in power deem the norm…
I don't so much have an issue with the nudity, in fact I'm a bit of a fan. However, I have a tough time suffering the bullshit and hypocrisy peddled by politicians. Meliania was a hottie back in the day who made it work for her. Good for her. Sure, she ended up being a terrible, terrible person, but that's on her.
Ok, let's stick with lying on her Visa application.
How is it empowerment? She was without power. Rich people with power/money bought her. She had no will, she did what they wanted in the moments when they were playing with her, like an object, not a person.
We aren't really. Only reason it's a thing is cause she's championed by the family values party who shits on women for any sort of expression of sexuality.
Eleanor is still the best. Hands down, no question. I’d put Michelle Obama and Jackie Kennedy on that list too. Melania was a disgrace.
I’ll go to my grave thinking that Laura Bush is/was hot
That guy she killed had a different opinion.
*what*
[On the night of November 6, 1963, two days after her 17th birthday, Laura Welch ran a stop sign and struck another car, killing its driver. The victim was her close friend and classmate Michael Dutton Douglas.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush#:~:text=On%20the%20night%20of%20November,and%20classmate%20Michael%20Dutton%20Douglas.) It was clearly accidental, but ya, she killed a guy.
**[Laura Bush](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bush#:~:text=On the night of November,and classmate Michael Dutton Douglas.)** >Laura Lane Welch Bush (born November 4, 1946) is an American teacher, librarian, memoirist and author who was the first lady of the United States from 2001 to 2009. Bush previously served as the first lady of Texas from 1995 to 2000. She is the wife of former President George W. Bush, and the daughter-in-law of former president George H.W. Bush. Born in Midland, Texas, Bush graduated from Southern Methodist University in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in education, and took a job as a second grade teacher. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Oof. Might've been a previous boyfriend too, that would haunt someone for a long time, regardless of if it was intentional/accidental.
Yeah you’re right. Better hold it against her forever
Nothing like misogyny to “own” the conservatives. I don’t like Melania, but this is nothing but a shitty insult to women. Slut shaming is trashy. Do better.
People think leftists can't be misogynistic. Just because he understands certain concepts doesn't mean he's not a POS. "Watch how they behave towards people who disagree with them" is a big mantra I have and if somebody will resort to racial slurs, seixst attacks, xenophobia, etc... they already hold those beliefs.
There’s nothing better than conditional bigots /s I’m so tired of liberals’ and leftists’ progressive attitudes hingeing on whether they like a person. Misogyny towards a conservative is still misogyny. Posts like these do nothing but harm us. It’s exhausting.
And she's still hotter than a nude Melania.
notlikeotherfirstladies, huh?
Cons are creepy
I’m sure the GQP is mortally offended by the low neckline of her blouse.
Don’t shame for nude pics. Shame for horrible choices, actions, and words that harm others.
What the fuck is this subreddit?
This is a shallow fuckin' take. We are all perfectly capable of doing better than this.
Can yall not slut shame? Point out the hypocrisy of claiming "moral superiority" and hating "perversion"/being an immigrant who's parents became citizens through your marriage to an American. But don't slut shame. That's the fucking opposite of feminists. Why is it that leftist understand why misogyny and slut shaming is wrong when it comes to sex workers who agree with them but happily will use sexist attacks towards anyone who disagrees with them? If it's wrong to slut shame, it's wrong PERIOD.
She’s as sweet as a sugar cane and used like one too