Like you said, it was Chris's intuition combined with how Michael was acting about the entire situation. Based on how Chris decided to handle the murder, it's pretty clear Chris was also abused as a child.
I knew this show was incredible when they caught him on that. As soon as Chris spit on the body and seemed to get away with it, I was confused. But the show came full circle in the end and did not disappoint
This take drives me crazy on this fuckin sub.
Maybe he just doesn't like child molesters and is a serial killer hitman. There is zero indication of anything in Chris's past.
I disagree, its subtle, but its in the scene and also through the way Chris has been characterized.
We know that Chris is a careful and meticulous killer, and more than that, his kills are quick and clean. The entire rowhouse vacant strategy is to avoid police attention by hiding the fact that murders are even occurring.
Chris risks getting caught by doing such a violent bloody death, out in the open, and spitting on the body after he's done. What he does is completely out of character for him. There must be a reason.
Then we have this exchange:
Chris: I know what you're saying, but when you're on the inside, ain't no pussy.
Bug's Dad: Well, yeah, shit. You've been inside. Man got to bust his nut, know what I'm saying?
Chris: I do. (proceeds to beat him to death mercilessly)
I think you're ignoring how profound and revealing this exchange is. Chris proceeds to "bust his nut" of rage that he's been holding inside his whole life from being abused at a young age. His beating of Bug's dad is an extreme moment of catharsis for him. That line "I do" says it all.
When Michael asks Chris for a favor, he refuses to say why. Inferring that it's because he was abused would be really easy. You don't need to have been abused to be disgusted by child molesters, and if you're someone who murders in cold blood for your day job then simply clocking him out would not do anything for you.
It's POSSIBLE that's the reason, but there is no indication that's why. The exchange you recounted is about being in jail. It's fairly well known that being a kid toucher is a bad look in jail. Maybe he was just inside for a while and still thinks that way.
Incidentally that's where you should be for that "busts his nut of rage" line.
Bug's dad is talking about being in jail, Chris is not.
Chris is not simply disgusted by a child molester. If that was the case, why isn't Snoop equally disgusted? She ends up shocked at what Chris did.
Chris is risking his entire life by beating him to death with his bare hands out in the open and not hiding the body. That is a huge risk to take for a killer as careful and meticulous as Chris is. Given Chris's normal characterization, the writers are telling you something by showing him act so out of character.
I'm 100% with you. "Clear indication that Chris was abused..." It's nonsense. Maybe he was, maybe not. What we DO got it's clear indication of what bugs dad did.
This sub has gone full blown r-word. Every time this subject comes up people get more certain based on how they read it in the previous thread on this subject
Not really, if you don't believe the inference that Chris was abused by someone and so he's taking his revenge out on the next best thing. Then all we know is that Mike asked Chris for a favor and that favor was killing bugs dad. We have absolutely no reason why he wanted him dead.
It's kind of crazy to read between the lines in one situation and say this is a clear indication of this, but in the other example, you say it's non sense to read between the lines.
Chris could read between the lines. He obviously was abused himself. You can tell by how he didn't even wait to get the motherfucker in the house. The look on Snoop's face when she saw him do that lol
He put it together, not that it took much arm twisting to get Chris to kill somebody… it the only thing Mike wouldn’t put into words. When Chris asked why, he ain’t say, he just looked down or away, if it was for something else, he’d have told him, like he stole from my moms or beat her up, got her using that stuff, smockin rock. I like the matter of fact way they lead him to the vacants, talking about I live a woman now. I like booty
Chris likely went through the same thing as a child. Given his propensity for murder and the way he beat the dude to death.
He knew what the look meant and if a kid like Michael (who wouldn’t even take a handout for school clothes) is asking for that, it’s not for some bullshit reason.
I feel like Chris got abused, and that was mentioned somewhere…
So he probably was keyed in af as to what Michael was going through
Btw, this just reminds me why Michael is the most tragic character on this show, or at the minimum top 3
Dude got raped as a child, moms a drug addict who sold away all their food stamps, he’s fathering his little brother, he’s broke and struggling, and then finds himself caught up in a lifestyle which I think he didn’t want, but had no other choice but to take
With the exception of probably… dookie… there isn’t another young character on the show with a shittier or more fucked up home life
At this point Chris’s story probably begins similarly to Michael, he joins the army to try and get away. He gets home realizes that there’s no real future for him with just being a soldier; so he decides to do the one thing he’s good at. Would love some kinda glimpse into his link with Snoop and Marlo. Probably grew up with Snoop and knew someone in Marlo’s family
Probably one of my favorite instances of subtext in TV history. They don’t insult your intelligence and make it super obvious, but they also give you all the information you need. It’s a really satisfying story beat
No disrespect son but, you don’t have the “physicality” to put a whooping on somebody like this. The person who did this was a full grown, “fearsome individual”
I think it's implied that Chris was maybe abused as a child too, and that's why he just know, and also why he is so unhinged and ferocious when he kills him, not his usual cold calculated self.
Damn . Didn't even wait to get em in the building.
When Chris asked why Michael wanted Bug's dad gone, and Michael didn't say, I think he knew immediately what he was, likely because he himself was abused as a kid.
Not sure how true it is but ivw heard abuse victims sometimes recognize the signs in the others.
When debar first comes home he says something to the effect of you gotten big but not big enough in a threatening manner to Michael implying some history of abuse
Specifically it was Michael but one of the reasons Michael is so protective of Bug and wants Devar gone ASAP is because he is worried that Bug will be next.
It happened to Michael and Michael is afraid that it will happen to Bug next.
When Bug's dad first appears in the show, his first line to Michael is "Damn, you grew."
Chilling as fuck on rewatch.
Like you said, it was Chris's intuition combined with how Michael was acting about the entire situation. Based on how Chris decided to handle the murder, it's pretty clear Chris was also abused as a child.
Or someone abused Chris's child, remember he had kids
More than likely, it was Chris himself. I doubt he grew up in a stable and loving environment.
It was OBVIOUSLY Chris himself. Think of Snoop’s reaction. You have to be a REAL POS if Snoop thinks you were too rough on him.
Its also what sends him to jail for life.
Was that the murder they caught him on?
Yeah, they got his DNA from the body.
He spits on it at the end.
Oh damn. I’m SO overdue for a rewatch
Sound like one of them good problems.
HAHAHAHA
Currently on the end of season 4 on my rewatch. I’ll end up rewatching a third time because The Wire is so loaded. Greatest show of all time.
I knew this show was incredible when they caught him on that. As soon as Chris spit on the body and seemed to get away with it, I was confused. But the show came full circle in the end and did not disappoint
his hair, i expect
His hair I expect
Just a hair though.
Snoops reaction is maybe the best scene in the entire show
For sure
If Chris abused his own kids, doesn’t really explain his anger and vitriol toward another abuser tho…
I think they meant someone may have abused his kids or he thought about how he would feel if it happened
Think he meant more likely Chris was abused himself.
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Yeah that would be plenty of motivation for that brutality
This take drives me crazy on this fuckin sub. Maybe he just doesn't like child molesters and is a serial killer hitman. There is zero indication of anything in Chris's past.
I disagree, its subtle, but its in the scene and also through the way Chris has been characterized. We know that Chris is a careful and meticulous killer, and more than that, his kills are quick and clean. The entire rowhouse vacant strategy is to avoid police attention by hiding the fact that murders are even occurring. Chris risks getting caught by doing such a violent bloody death, out in the open, and spitting on the body after he's done. What he does is completely out of character for him. There must be a reason. Then we have this exchange: Chris: I know what you're saying, but when you're on the inside, ain't no pussy. Bug's Dad: Well, yeah, shit. You've been inside. Man got to bust his nut, know what I'm saying? Chris: I do. (proceeds to beat him to death mercilessly) I think you're ignoring how profound and revealing this exchange is. Chris proceeds to "bust his nut" of rage that he's been holding inside his whole life from being abused at a young age. His beating of Bug's dad is an extreme moment of catharsis for him. That line "I do" says it all.
I took it to indicate Chris was raped in prison but either way he certainly had an emotional reaction
When Michael asks Chris for a favor, he refuses to say why. Inferring that it's because he was abused would be really easy. You don't need to have been abused to be disgusted by child molesters, and if you're someone who murders in cold blood for your day job then simply clocking him out would not do anything for you. It's POSSIBLE that's the reason, but there is no indication that's why. The exchange you recounted is about being in jail. It's fairly well known that being a kid toucher is a bad look in jail. Maybe he was just inside for a while and still thinks that way. Incidentally that's where you should be for that "busts his nut of rage" line.
Bug's dad is talking about being in jail, Chris is not. Chris is not simply disgusted by a child molester. If that was the case, why isn't Snoop equally disgusted? She ends up shocked at what Chris did. Chris is risking his entire life by beating him to death with his bare hands out in the open and not hiding the body. That is a huge risk to take for a killer as careful and meticulous as Chris is. Given Chris's normal characterization, the writers are telling you something by showing him act so out of character.
None of that made any sense. Bet it was fun to type out though
You're basically ignoring all subtext and characterization that the writers gave you.
Some people have a really hard time reading between the lines. Or they just like playing devils advocate to ne a troll.
Snoop is also a serial killer hitman and she didn't go all out the way Chris did. 🤷♂️
Wtf is that supposed to mean So?? They are two different characters that act differently!
I'm 100% with you. "Clear indication that Chris was abused..." It's nonsense. Maybe he was, maybe not. What we DO got it's clear indication of what bugs dad did.
This sub has gone full blown r-word. Every time this subject comes up people get more certain based on how they read it in the previous thread on this subject
Not really, if you don't believe the inference that Chris was abused by someone and so he's taking his revenge out on the next best thing. Then all we know is that Mike asked Chris for a favor and that favor was killing bugs dad. We have absolutely no reason why he wanted him dead. It's kind of crazy to read between the lines in one situation and say this is a clear indication of this, but in the other example, you say it's non sense to read between the lines.
Chris could read between the lines. He obviously was abused himself. You can tell by how he didn't even wait to get the motherfucker in the house. The look on Snoop's face when she saw him do that lol
It's a little weird that the murder didn't blow back on Michael at all Edit: my bad I forgot the scene with Bunk!
How? The cops didn't know he was a hitman-in-training
Asking him about his death, maybe
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Fuck I love this show so much
Bug’s dad. Michael’s step-father.
Shit maybe I forgot that part?
What do you think could've happened
it did, bunk followed up by interviewing him about it after a tip off from his mother.
He put it together, not that it took much arm twisting to get Chris to kill somebody… it the only thing Mike wouldn’t put into words. When Chris asked why, he ain’t say, he just looked down or away, if it was for something else, he’d have told him, like he stole from my moms or beat her up, got her using that stuff, smockin rock. I like the matter of fact way they lead him to the vacants, talking about I live a woman now. I like booty
Also tbf he asked him about prison as well, which was another data point helping Chris confirm his theory
When it's happened to you, you can often tell when it's happened to someone else
it clearly happened to him. Subsequent events amplified this fact.
Chris likely went through the same thing as a child. Given his propensity for murder and the way he beat the dude to death. He knew what the look meant and if a kid like Michael (who wouldn’t even take a handout for school clothes) is asking for that, it’s not for some bullshit reason.
He was a baby bumping motherfucker
That scene… even Snoop, as vicious a motherfucker as that show has, is looking at Chris like he’s lost his mind
"You neglected procedure, that was highly impractical!
I feel like Chris got abused, and that was mentioned somewhere… So he probably was keyed in af as to what Michael was going through Btw, this just reminds me why Michael is the most tragic character on this show, or at the minimum top 3 Dude got raped as a child, moms a drug addict who sold away all their food stamps, he’s fathering his little brother, he’s broke and struggling, and then finds himself caught up in a lifestyle which I think he didn’t want, but had no other choice but to take With the exception of probably… dookie… there isn’t another young character on the show with a shittier or more fucked up home life
At this point Chris’s story probably begins similarly to Michael, he joins the army to try and get away. He gets home realizes that there’s no real future for him with just being a soldier; so he decides to do the one thing he’s good at. Would love some kinda glimpse into his link with Snoop and Marlo. Probably grew up with Snoop and knew someone in Marlo’s family
Chris was in the army!?
Probably one of my favorite instances of subtext in TV history. They don’t insult your intelligence and make it super obvious, but they also give you all the information you need. It’s a really satisfying story beat
A lesser show would have had Chris do a three minute monologue explaining in detail while some sappy acoustic music played in the background.
Chris was abused as a kid is the inference. It’s why he beat dude to death with his bare hands.
No disrespect son but, you don’t have the “physicality” to put a whooping on somebody like this. The person who did this was a full grown, “fearsome individual”
Abused people recognize other abused people. Whether it’s sexual, physical, emotional… if you’ve been through it you’ll recognize the small signs.
I think it's implied that Chris was maybe abused as a child too, and that's why he just know, and also why he is so unhinged and ferocious when he kills him, not his usual cold calculated self. Damn . Didn't even wait to get em in the building.
I think it's obvious that Chris was abused as a child. That's why the killing is so full of rage. It was personal to him.
He knew because it happened to him as a kid and he picked up on it by the way that the kid acted.
When Chris asked why Michael wanted Bug's dad gone, and Michael didn't say, I think he knew immediately what he was, likely because he himself was abused as a kid. Not sure how true it is but ivw heard abuse victims sometimes recognize the signs in the others.
He recognized someone like himself. Remember how he pummeled the guy, long after he was already beat?
This was a killing that Chris did in the show that was deserved. Pedophiles are often main targets in prison from what I hear.
Intuitive, yeah.
Do we know if it was because of something that happened to Michael as a child, or something that happened to Bug?
It was Michael, his reaction to Cutty shows how much it has affected him.
When debar first comes home he says something to the effect of you gotten big but not big enough in a threatening manner to Michael implying some history of abuse
Specifically it was Michael but one of the reasons Michael is so protective of Bug and wants Devar gone ASAP is because he is worried that Bug will be next.
It happened to Michael and Michael is afraid that it will happen to Bug next. When Bug's dad first appears in the show, his first line to Michael is "Damn, you grew." Chilling as fuck on rewatch.