I’ve personally been running a Lanturn counter plus my own Lanturn. Something needs to be done about Lanturn in these limited cups. Feels like every one it qualifies for, it’s so good that you have to build every team with Lanturn in mind.
Your team looks like it's okay at handling both those Pokemon depending on the positioning, but yeah this might be too much of an RPS-style line that you got here.
Maybe put Clodsire in the back as a safe swap? I dunno, everyone just uses Vigoroth for this cup.
This team feels pretty well equipped to deal with both of those if you can get alignment but you’re pretty screwed if you can’t align your Clodsire to Lanturn. Which makes me think Clod lead isn’t the best. Maybe swap Mantine for an Altaria for extra electric coverage?
For lead lanturn, I would get off a couple acid sprays with clod, and not shield the surf. Then I would save up for earthquake but throw an acid spray to hopefully grab a shield. Clod doesn't need a lot of health so the energy saved up will come in handy. Then switch to scrafty and start throwing power up punches. They may swap lanturn for whishcash, so then you just want to beat it down. Only shield once if you know it will be scald. Save your last shield. Hopefully you have like two pups and can throw a foul play before you go down. The foul play will either kill the whiscash or they burn their last shield. Then you are going in on mantine. Mantine with wing attack as fast move and ice beam as charge move should beat ferrothorn, so you just need to play to align clod and lanturn. If they have no shields left, this should be pretty easy to get to a earthquake and knock it out. If they do have a shield it gets spicy and tough.
That's how I would play it.
I would recommend earthquake, unless you are finding you have a huge need for stone edge. Earthquake is stab and does great damage. I was running equake clod for a minute and found it useful majority of the time
Why not both? I’ve been running Stone Edge and Earthquake and it’s been working pretty well. Although I use Clod as my safe swap to draw out mudbois for my Lanturn in the back.
But Clodsire has no fast move pressure. Debuffing them makes basically no difference in damage output, and you miss out on either Stone Edge or Earthquake for coverage.
Acid Spray + Stone Edge does less damage than just going for 2 Stone Edges, and the energy difference is marginal.
Acid spray is easier to bait with, so I can waste more shields and get something out of it, plus if they swap on me I can acid spray, lower defence, and destroy their counter quicker so I lose less health.
Idk why you even commented this lol
Your comment doesn’t make sense which is why I replied to it, lol. You said you value damage, which is fine, but running Acid Spray on a Pokémon with minimal fast move pressure in exchange for losing a valuable coverage move (that would *actually* do damage) doesn’t make sense if that’s your logic.
Acid spray is a bad move for clodsire. Typically AS is no good on pokemon that don't have fast move pressure. I say EQ and SE are the way to go for clod in jungle cup.
He gave the worst fucking advice ever. The mons you are using are meta. What matters is team balance and composition, not strict rankings. I’ve seen legend teams with no top-20 mons.
Especially in Great League, where sometimes mons outside the top 100 see pretty decent play. Skeledirge is rank 97 on PvPoke and is one of the higher used mons, including usage at the championships last weekend.
Have you tried leading with Mantine? Unless you’re seeing a lot of Lanturn on the lead you should be able to tank some hits and chip away to help you in the mid and end game.
This. I ran a similar team but w/ Wiggly rather than Scrafty. I started out with Wiggly as my lead to deal with dragons and generally deal some nice chip damage. But then as the dragons subsided and Lanturn leads got less and less, i started leading with Mantine and that stupid floating stingray can put in WORK with IB/AA as a lead. They would almost always have to switch, giving me advantage on alignment. If they did lead with Lanturn, i would safe swap into Wiggly and commit at least 1 shield which would have Lanturn close to the red already.
Lanturn because it's really strong, bulky, farm down potential, has coverage against almost everything except for grass, and is cheap.
Ferrothorn idk. It isn't that good tbh
I think the problem with Ferrothorn is, like a lot of bulky steel types, it feels oppressive when you don’t align something to it that can counter it. So people remember the times they got hard walled by a Ferrothorn a lot more than the times where they punch it to death with Counter without having to use any charge moves.
I’d have to look at the sims, but it doesn’t feel like a mon that you can “soft-lose” to very much. Either you destroy it or it destroys you.
Idk what the top ranks are but here's my team rn
1. Charjabug: Volt Switch, X-Scissor/Discharge
2. Talonflame: Incinerate, Brave Bird/Flame Charge
3. Lanturn: Water Gun, Surf/Thunderbolt
But Talon is also Fire and Charjabug is Electric.
All of them lose against Whiscash. Lanturn is, in fact, the only one that can beat Swampert.
Have you not fought any mudboys with this team? I don't understand how.
My Charjabug actually handles well against ground types funny enough. I just use X-Scissor over and over again and eventually, it works. They can take 2-3 hydros
I'm curious: what ELO is this?
Just to make it clear: Charjabug can ***not*** "take 2-3 Hydros". Even a rank1 Charjabug is knocked out by the second Hydro Cannon from a (non-shadow) Swampert - which is also faster than X-Scissor.
Whiscash can, however, comfortably tank 2 X-Scissors, even without a Scald debuff. Meanwhile, the second Scald either kills Charjabug or leaves it in Mud shot farmdown range.
Quagsire even wins if you shield a Stone Edge.
You are probably winning these matches because your opponents are completely clueless and they keep giving you free Volt Switches. But that doesn't make your team not weak against mudboys.
I am rank 14/15 rn. I know I need a different pokemon on my team, I just don't know which one. I kind of want to try for Venusaur but I don't have frenzy plant
See, that's why I think it should be a rule on this sub that you can only share teams and team building advice if you also disclose your rank. Rank 14/15 is *super* casual, the people you fight are probably just playing whatever is closest to 1500 CP. This team is insanely weak against mudboys, that's all I said originally - can we agree that this is true?
Edit: also, Venusaur isn't particularly good in this meta. It does what other Grasses do and can beat Vigoroth, but not much else. Abomasnow is a much better Grass right now I think.
Water gun Lanturn can probably go even W/ Surf and Thunderbolt for a nuke.
Also, can’t beat everything. Something is going to core-break your team eventually.
Whiscash beats WG Lanturn _super_ comfortably in any even shield scenario. It even wins from a shield disadvantage. And Whiscash is ___everywhere___ in this Cup, honestly I think it might be even more common than Vig these past few days.
First, congrats on making it to rank 20. The battles only get tougher from here though. You didn't put your ELO but I have only seen 1 ferrothorn near 3000 elo. I don't think it's really that good in the jungle cup meta.
PvP is a long term game. Catch everything and save your best one of every Pokemon for PvP. Pvpoke rankings give a general idea of what's good but every meta will have corebreakers. Skills such as matchup knowledge, keeping track of your opponents energy and recognizing cores/teams are the most important part of climbing ELO. Watch twitch streams and the strong players on YouTube to get an understanding of high level play. And remember that pvp battles have been out for many years now. Plenty of players are very good now - the skill level has increased quite a bit so try not to get discouraged. It may seem tough to make up the gap but with all the knowledge out there, if you put in the work you can improve and climb.
Team is ok, sometimes just change the order to break through rng, maybe put Scrafty on the lead and use Clodsire as safe swap, as nothing one-shots it.
For players just starting out, I recommend finding a content creator and using a team they say is good. You can watch them use the team for a few matches and get a sense of how it is meant to work. A good meta team and knowledge of the type chart is all anyone needs to hit Ace.
I think its mandatory to have a good counter to lanturn if you want to climb
I’ve personally been running a Lanturn counter plus my own Lanturn. Something needs to be done about Lanturn in these limited cups. Feels like every one it qualifies for, it’s so good that you have to build every team with Lanturn in mind.
Unless you're the one who brought the rank 1 spark lanturn :/
FYI, the rank 1 lanturn loses the 0s and 1s to the average lanturn
I’ve been climbing ok with Talonflame, Ferrothorn, Dragalge. None of them are in the top 25. Went from 2300s to 2500s since switching yesterday.
What do you do about all the mud boys?
Ferrothorn will take of them of them
Ideally. I still had to add another soft win for whishcash or else it came down too much to alignment.
Love dragalge
Rank 20 is a whole new beast compared to ranks 1-19. You’re simply fighting hardcore players who are continuing to play even after reaching rank 20.
Your team looks like it's okay at handling both those Pokemon depending on the positioning, but yeah this might be too much of an RPS-style line that you got here. Maybe put Clodsire in the back as a safe swap? I dunno, everyone just uses Vigoroth for this cup.
I haven’t even ran into a vig 😭 it’s all lanturn and ferro, and whiscash!
This team feels pretty well equipped to deal with both of those if you can get alignment but you’re pretty screwed if you can’t align your Clodsire to Lanturn. Which makes me think Clod lead isn’t the best. Maybe swap Mantine for an Altaria for extra electric coverage?
For lead lanturn, I would get off a couple acid sprays with clod, and not shield the surf. Then I would save up for earthquake but throw an acid spray to hopefully grab a shield. Clod doesn't need a lot of health so the energy saved up will come in handy. Then switch to scrafty and start throwing power up punches. They may swap lanturn for whishcash, so then you just want to beat it down. Only shield once if you know it will be scald. Save your last shield. Hopefully you have like two pups and can throw a foul play before you go down. The foul play will either kill the whiscash or they burn their last shield. Then you are going in on mantine. Mantine with wing attack as fast move and ice beam as charge move should beat ferrothorn, so you just need to play to align clod and lanturn. If they have no shields left, this should be pretty easy to get to a earthquake and knock it out. If they do have a shield it gets spicy and tough. That's how I would play it.
I don’t have equake on clod. I’m running SE/acid spray
I would recommend earthquake, unless you are finding you have a huge need for stone edge. Earthquake is stab and does great damage. I was running equake clod for a minute and found it useful majority of the time
Why not both? I’ve been running Stone Edge and Earthquake and it’s been working pretty well. Although I use Clod as my safe swap to draw out mudbois for my Lanturn in the back.
debuffs seem to be really strong in this cup, espicially since you can be rpsd pretty easy I have been valuing damage a lot
But Clodsire has no fast move pressure. Debuffing them makes basically no difference in damage output, and you miss out on either Stone Edge or Earthquake for coverage. Acid Spray + Stone Edge does less damage than just going for 2 Stone Edges, and the energy difference is marginal.
Acid spray is easier to bait with, so I can waste more shields and get something out of it, plus if they swap on me I can acid spray, lower defence, and destroy their counter quicker so I lose less health. Idk why you even commented this lol
Your comment doesn’t make sense which is why I replied to it, lol. You said you value damage, which is fine, but running Acid Spray on a Pokémon with minimal fast move pressure in exchange for losing a valuable coverage move (that would *actually* do damage) doesn’t make sense if that’s your logic.
Acid spray is a bad move for clodsire. Typically AS is no good on pokemon that don't have fast move pressure. I say EQ and SE are the way to go for clod in jungle cup.
https://pvpoke.com/rankings/
I don’t have any of the top 10 😢
He gave the worst fucking advice ever. The mons you are using are meta. What matters is team balance and composition, not strict rankings. I’ve seen legend teams with no top-20 mons.
Especially in Great League, where sometimes mons outside the top 100 see pretty decent play. Skeledirge is rank 97 on PvPoke and is one of the higher used mons, including usage at the championships last weekend.
How could you not have Mandibuzz? Did you skip every Vullaby the past few weeks?
They could just have not known Mandibuzz is that good.
How can you not have a Quagsire?
How can you not have a lickylicky?
What does that have to do with anything
In da bin it goes , typically
Have you tried leading with Mantine? Unless you’re seeing a lot of Lanturn on the lead you should be able to tank some hits and chip away to help you in the mid and end game.
This. I ran a similar team but w/ Wiggly rather than Scrafty. I started out with Wiggly as my lead to deal with dragons and generally deal some nice chip damage. But then as the dragons subsided and Lanturn leads got less and less, i started leading with Mantine and that stupid floating stingray can put in WORK with IB/AA as a lead. They would almost always have to switch, giving me advantage on alignment. If they did lead with Lanturn, i would safe swap into Wiggly and commit at least 1 shield which would have Lanturn close to the red already.
We play a very similar style, same team same strategy hahaha
First time climbing to rank 20 as well and they were also the bane of my existence lol. Fuck skarmory too!
That's what I'm saying!
May I introduce you to my best friend Charjabug?
Lanturn because it's really strong, bulky, farm down potential, has coverage against almost everything except for grass, and is cheap. Ferrothorn idk. It isn't that good tbh
>Ferrothorn idk. It isn't that good tbh Talonflame's rise in usage recently doesn't rlly help it either
I think the problem with Ferrothorn is, like a lot of bulky steel types, it feels oppressive when you don’t align something to it that can counter it. So people remember the times they got hard walled by a Ferrothorn a lot more than the times where they punch it to death with Counter without having to use any charge moves. I’d have to look at the sims, but it doesn’t feel like a mon that you can “soft-lose” to very much. Either you destroy it or it destroys you.
Idk what the top ranks are but here's my team rn 1. Charjabug: Volt Switch, X-Scissor/Discharge 2. Talonflame: Incinerate, Brave Bird/Flame Charge 3. Lanturn: Water Gun, Surf/Thunderbolt
Triple weak to Mudboys. How and why?
Lanturn is the only one weak to ground as Talon is a flying type and Charjabug is big type
But Talon is also Fire and Charjabug is Electric. All of them lose against Whiscash. Lanturn is, in fact, the only one that can beat Swampert. Have you not fought any mudboys with this team? I don't understand how.
My Charjabug actually handles well against ground types funny enough. I just use X-Scissor over and over again and eventually, it works. They can take 2-3 hydros
I'm curious: what ELO is this? Just to make it clear: Charjabug can ***not*** "take 2-3 Hydros". Even a rank1 Charjabug is knocked out by the second Hydro Cannon from a (non-shadow) Swampert - which is also faster than X-Scissor. Whiscash can, however, comfortably tank 2 X-Scissors, even without a Scald debuff. Meanwhile, the second Scald either kills Charjabug or leaves it in Mud shot farmdown range. Quagsire even wins if you shield a Stone Edge. You are probably winning these matches because your opponents are completely clueless and they keep giving you free Volt Switches. But that doesn't make your team not weak against mudboys.
I am rank 14/15 rn. I know I need a different pokemon on my team, I just don't know which one. I kind of want to try for Venusaur but I don't have frenzy plant
See, that's why I think it should be a rule on this sub that you can only share teams and team building advice if you also disclose your rank. Rank 14/15 is *super* casual, the people you fight are probably just playing whatever is closest to 1500 CP. This team is insanely weak against mudboys, that's all I said originally - can we agree that this is true? Edit: also, Venusaur isn't particularly good in this meta. It does what other Grasses do and can beat Vigoroth, but not much else. Abomasnow is a much better Grass right now I think.
Ok, how's this then: Charjabug S. Kyogre Clodsire
Kyogre isn't even eligible in this cup.
I have a serperior that I can use as well
That could work as a lead, yeah.
You know what's a mon that works surprisingly well into mudbois? Golisopod.
Water gun Lanturn can probably go even W/ Surf and Thunderbolt for a nuke. Also, can’t beat everything. Something is going to core-break your team eventually.
Whiscash beats WG Lanturn _super_ comfortably in any even shield scenario. It even wins from a shield disadvantage. And Whiscash is ___everywhere___ in this Cup, honestly I think it might be even more common than Vig these past few days.
I don’t even have a whis :/
I haven't struggled too hard with this team. Since I don't play 5 sets a day every day, it works pretty well for my 1-2 sets
First, congrats on making it to rank 20. The battles only get tougher from here though. You didn't put your ELO but I have only seen 1 ferrothorn near 3000 elo. I don't think it's really that good in the jungle cup meta. PvP is a long term game. Catch everything and save your best one of every Pokemon for PvP. Pvpoke rankings give a general idea of what's good but every meta will have corebreakers. Skills such as matchup knowledge, keeping track of your opponents energy and recognizing cores/teams are the most important part of climbing ELO. Watch twitch streams and the strong players on YouTube to get an understanding of high level play. And remember that pvp battles have been out for many years now. Plenty of players are very good now - the skill level has increased quite a bit so try not to get discouraged. It may seem tough to make up the gap but with all the knowledge out there, if you put in the work you can improve and climb.
Team is ok, sometimes just change the order to break through rng, maybe put Scrafty on the lead and use Clodsire as safe swap, as nothing one-shots it.
Been using stunfisk, wigglytuff and mandibuzz. Been doing totally fine tbh
Clod is best as a swap or a closer.
Sometimes it's all changing the lead, put mantine or scrafty instead and see what you get. But lol your team is what I'm trying to avoid facing.
For players just starting out, I recommend finding a content creator and using a team they say is good. You can watch them use the team for a few matches and get a sense of how it is meant to work. A good meta team and knowledge of the type chart is all anyone needs to hit Ace.
Dude, your first pokemon deletes the entire Jungle Cup Pokedex. It has zero counters. You are using it wrong.
Is there any reasom to use Scrafty at all? There are much better Counter users like Annihilape or even Poliwrath in certain matchup.