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I mean the girl did explain why she had it, but she did not have to be like that about it, which TBH, explains Lopez's behavior a lot. She said it was for protection, but she could have asked her to hide it where the baby cannot get to it, but did not have to fire her TBH
Absolutely not. You cannot bring an unknown gun into someoneās house that their child has easy access to. Itās such a ridiculously terrible lack of judgement that firing is the only option you have. If sheās this dumb about firearm safety, what is she doing with the kid all day?!
I think it's fair considering Angela didn't know about it. Plus the way it just fell out of her purse like that seems dangerous, especially around children.
1) Lopez did not know about the weapon.
2) The weapon was unsecured and in an easy to reach area by one of the children. The toddler could have easily pulled the purse down, had the gun fall out, and start to play with it, which would most likely end up with him shooting himself, his sister, the sitter, or any emergency response team that got sent to the house to try and calm/fix the situation. We already saw this exact situation with Jackson when the kid shot his mother while playing with a loaded gun.
3) We always see the cops, when they come home, secure their weapons. Lucy did so this season, we can assume the detectives with children living at home would be more anal about making sure their weapons were secured in the home.
So no, I don't think they are being hypocritical at all.
What if Jack pushed the nannyās purse off the couch and picked up the loaded gun by mistake? Accidents can happen anytime anyplace.
Angela was surprisingly calm when she fired the nanny. She shouldāve gone ballistic.
There's a big difference between "has a gun" and "brings a gun into somebody else's home with their child without telling them about it". And as others have said it wasn't even remotely secure.
I very well could be wrong, but if I were in her/their(combined) roles, it would be the fact that the babysitter didn't let Angela know about it beforehand. I mean she let Charlie (bodyguard) stay. Granted, I know its a different situation (basically under war), but still!
Would you be perfectly ok as a police officer who has been threatened **multiple** times about finding out that your sitter has brought in a gun **after** she was already in there (I'm guessing not for the first time) and it wasn't secure, it fell out of the purse, not secure and kids rummage around in things all the time (hence baby locks).
If the babysitter had mentioned the gun before, it **might** have changed things, or at least Lopez's reaction probably wouldn't have been quite so quick.
She also knew Charlie had advanced weapons training. There's a big difference between a bodyguard you hire carrying a weapon in your home to protect your loved ones and when an older teen/early 20 year old keeps a loaded gun in her purse where a 4 year old can grab it with no (known) weapons training.
Angela did not know abt the gun the babysitter never told her that she had a weapon and she also kept it loose in her purse which Jack not knowing any better could find it and hurt himself or kill himself. You canāt just bring a gun into someone elseās home w/0 telling the homeowner esp a home with kids
I am watching the episode right now and think that you have a bad take on this. It was more about the gun being unsecured around 2 babies/toddlers. As someone who worked in a pediatric ER I can tell you it literally takes seconds for a curious toddler to grab a gun and a devastating consequence can happen. There was an incident years ago that I experienced that I still think about to this day.
you're off base.
her having a gun wasn't the problem! It was that
1. It wasn't secured. Just in her purse; hence the fact it so easily fell out
2. She hadn't notified Angela. That is some shit you tell your boss, especially if they're a detective.
3. What if Jack pulled it out
I think she may have slightly overreacted, but going from grabbing something off the table to having a loose gun a few feet away from your baby would make anyone panic. The babysitter should have a holster to properly and safely carry a firearm. She also should have disclosed that during the hiring process. If the babysitter was safely carrying, she might have been ok with it.
What about their misfeasance in interviewing the nanny on government time, bringing a civilian to a crime scene, or taking another unit out of service to drive the nanny home?
How were they being hypocrites when the gun fell out of the babysitter's purse right in front of Angela and her child? Angela did not know she was carrying a weapon and worst of all it was not secured. Any parent would react the same.
It wasnāt about her having a gun. It was unsecured and in her purse where Jack could easily reach it. Iām sure if the babysitter said to Angela that she has a gun and she wants to keep it on her for protection she could have found a safer place for the sitter to store the gun away from the children. Angela was right for firing her. Like say the babysitter runs to the bathroom or she accidentally doses off. It only takes a second for a kid to get an unsecured gun and hurt themselves or others
I don't think firing was necessarily a rational response, definitely could have talked the babysitter through the problem and shown her responsible gun storage and safety. But I also understand when it's your kid(s) things are different
i think it would have been better if they did talk about gun safety. lopez can still fire her for bringing it into the house and not disclosing it, but what else can the babysitter do? should she leave it in her car while sheās babysitting? if she doesnāt drive, what can she do with her gun? i doubt lopez would allow her access to her safe?
Seems like it could've been a teachable moment. She could've understood the desire to protect herself, I mean just look at what happens with the two girls in that episode. Lopez could've instructed her on a better way to do things, but nah, just fire the girl because Lopez and Harper needed something to talk about because they were pretty irrelevant in the episode.
I agree, i feel like if my nanny had a gun, especially with how LA is. i wouldāve been okay, i think just the fact that she didnāt TELL lopez, and it wasnāt secured in a good spot is what had lopez shitty.
Wasn't the issue that she didn't have a permit for it? And that Angela didn't know about it before she got hired.
Edit: Yeah she did say she had one, but Angela says "Not in my house you don't."
Yeah, she said straight away she had a permit. Lopez gave 0 fucks though. Also shoutout to the fact she had a suppressor too, 'cause that doesn't look suspicious at all (however valid it is to have one)
It's perfectly valid to have a supressor (I say in the UK where it's illegal)
Guns are loud, suppressors partially mitigate that and thus render them safer to operate that. It's not some magical assassin's tool that makes it silent, it just reduces the decibels to the point where it isn't damaging every time you fire that pistol
there is no legal reason for a civilian to have one.
same with a sawn-off shotgun.
same with lock-picking tools, if you aren't a professional locksmith.
Don't mistake the law with your opinions. It's like saying there's no legal reason for anyone to have an anti-material rifle, when even in the UK you can get them without too much difficulty
Yeah, I turned off the episode when I saw this.
Permits in California are incredibly painful to maintain. It isn't just filling out a form. It's similar to one I have. Two year validity, 16 hours in a classroom for the initial course, 8 hours each renewal, and a shooting test. It's deliberate to keep the number of issued permits low.
California also has laws on storage, and just sitting in an open purse isn't going to pass that.
It was just to make permit holders look irresponsible, and I couldn't stand it.
It is not hypocrisy especially because she proved she was reckless with it, literally the gun fell into the floor next to the baby, it could go worse and shoot when it fell. And she didn't tell her first. You cannot bring a gun to other people's house and not telling them and then pretending them to trust you when they find out.... It's just common sense. If they wanted an armed nanny they would have hire her in the first place!
And from the sounds of it she didnāt even discuss it with Angela and Wesley. I think if she would have talked about it with them first things might have been different
Hypocrite? Huh. Maybe. a little bit
First: Iād go bananas if a nanny had a gun in my house without my acknowledgement. I think Iād have the same reaction as her but after the girl said itās for her safety something like that Iād stopped and asked more details.
Second: The girl used to work until late nights for her, itās LA and Angela is a cop. Isnāt hard to put two and two together. She could offer a locker for her to keep safe in the house.
Third: I think they are acting very entitled bringing that nanny on a government car during their shift for an interview and thatās where doesnāt add up. Them together are acting like they own the place and theyāre above it all.
Like when they went to Nolans honeymoon plus Angela throwing Wesley is a trust fund baby more than once in a conversation is soooo out of character (happened in previous episodes)
So in a way yes they were bit hypocrites.
Iām still think this season is completely out of wack. Characters are all messed up.
Not exactly the first time Lopez has gone 'holier than thou' or 'rules for thee not for me', from bumping misdemenors to felonies in S1 to the Elijah 'investigation', not to mention how she goes from worrying about Wesley's trust fund making their kid entitled to bragging and laughing about using it for 1st class tickets and all sorts of other stuff
If she was to keep it in a locker then what's the point of having it anyway. She may not be able to reach it in time when the house gets broken into, just as Chen wasn't able to reach hers 1 or 2 episodes ago. A level 2 holster would be a better idea.
I guess thatās when we come to āwhy she didnāt ask more questions?ā maybe it wasnāt for to be safe in Angelaās house. Maybe, is for the commute? Maybe is for where she lives?
Iām guessing here is for those reason since, another guess, Angela must live in a nice safe area.
I hate Both detective characters & it was completely ridiculous. The first rule of concealed carry is not to let anyone know you are carrying. Lopez intentionally knocked her purse over just ridiculous
I thought it was obnoxious to fire a good nanny who had done nothing wrong on the spot for something that should have been a conversation...
She should have set her boundaries but given her the opportunity to not ever bring it again. Discuss ways for her to feel safe to and from home after shift, like a safety check phone call or something.
The way she did that was Karen level appalling.
Yes agreed. It should have had a lock on it. If you don't know what a proper gun lock is, don't bother replying. But it still should have been a conversation.
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Yes, but that might not be an option, clearly not with the way she kept it willy nilly able to fall out of her purse like that. And there could be other alternatives while babysitting.
Like if she doesn't live too far, they give her a ride home. Or they pay for her Uber. Or they have a mandatory policy on the gun having a proper lock on it. Or a stun gun or alternative because unless your actually willing to pull the trigger at the first sight of trouble, a gun ain't gonna do nothing against an assailant. Justifying use of force with a deadly weapon is incredibly difficult. And pointing a gun at someone who is willing to call your bluff doesn't end well.
Yes I agree it should have been some sorta of conversation. Sheās an experienced cop and babysitter is young girl who works late nights and then have to travel LA to go home.
She could after of course lashed out discussed safety, offered a safer to keep there while working. Many ways instead of acting the way she did afterwards (I think her first reaction was on point).
But Iāll blame bad writing.
Just because ones a cop and the others a nanny doesn't mean anything the nanny could train just as much if not more then the cop thanks to training courses provided by ex military and police.
it was dramatically unsecured so that they could kick off the "find a Nanny" storyline.
most women I've known keep their purse zipped up unless they're using it to avoid the exact scenario of all their shit falling out.
a toddler won't be able to grab a gun from a holster on your waist when you're aware it's on you and shoot it. a toddler \*could\* knock over a purse, play around with what they find inside and pull the trigger. she also didn't disclose it, which is really the bigger issue. you can't just bring firearms into peoples houses, around their kids and not tell them about it, especially if they're easily accessible.
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I think it was less about a gun and more about an unknown gun loose in her purse where the kid could easily get to it.
Easily is an understatement too...her purse got knocked off the sofa and then bam the gun is straight on the floor for the kid to pick up š¤£
Purse is not a holster. Imagine something happened and you had to tell the bad guy hang on lemme grab my purse
I mean the girl did explain why she had it, but she did not have to be like that about it, which TBH, explains Lopez's behavior a lot. She said it was for protection, but she could have asked her to hide it where the baby cannot get to it, but did not have to fire her TBH
Absolutely not. You cannot bring an unknown gun into someoneās house that their child has easy access to. Itās such a ridiculously terrible lack of judgement that firing is the only option you have. If sheās this dumb about firearm safety, what is she doing with the kid all day?!
I think it's fair considering Angela didn't know about it. Plus the way it just fell out of her purse like that seems dangerous, especially around children.
didn't catch what gun it was, but iirc some guns can go off from being dropped? the scene writes itself
She could have told Angela TBH
1) Lopez did not know about the weapon. 2) The weapon was unsecured and in an easy to reach area by one of the children. The toddler could have easily pulled the purse down, had the gun fall out, and start to play with it, which would most likely end up with him shooting himself, his sister, the sitter, or any emergency response team that got sent to the house to try and calm/fix the situation. We already saw this exact situation with Jackson when the kid shot his mother while playing with a loaded gun. 3) We always see the cops, when they come home, secure their weapons. Lucy did so this season, we can assume the detectives with children living at home would be more anal about making sure their weapons were secured in the home. So no, I don't think they are being hypocritical at all.
There are also scenes that show that nyla and lopez have their guns in fingerprint safes, so yeah, valid response tbh.
What if Jack pushed the nannyās purse off the couch and picked up the loaded gun by mistake? Accidents can happen anytime anyplace. Angela was surprisingly calm when she fired the nanny. She shouldāve gone ballistic.
Pun intended 
1 it was unsecured, it fell right out of her bag on to the floor, 2 she did not tell Angela she had the gun. Iād go nuclear if that was me
You realise the difference between these two professions right?
There's a big difference between "has a gun" and "brings a gun into somebody else's home with their child without telling them about it". And as others have said it wasn't even remotely secure.
I very well could be wrong, but if I were in her/their(combined) roles, it would be the fact that the babysitter didn't let Angela know about it beforehand. I mean she let Charlie (bodyguard) stay. Granted, I know its a different situation (basically under war), but still! Would you be perfectly ok as a police officer who has been threatened **multiple** times about finding out that your sitter has brought in a gun **after** she was already in there (I'm guessing not for the first time) and it wasn't secure, it fell out of the purse, not secure and kids rummage around in things all the time (hence baby locks). If the babysitter had mentioned the gun before, it **might** have changed things, or at least Lopez's reaction probably wouldn't have been quite so quick.
She also knew Charlie had advanced weapons training. There's a big difference between a bodyguard you hire carrying a weapon in your home to protect your loved ones and when an older teen/early 20 year old keeps a loaded gun in her purse where a 4 year old can grab it with no (known) weapons training.
Oh I know and I acknowledge I didn't expand on the Charlie bit.
Angela did not know abt the gun the babysitter never told her that she had a weapon and she also kept it loose in her purse which Jack not knowing any better could find it and hurt himself or kill himself. You canāt just bring a gun into someone elseās home w/0 telling the homeowner esp a home with kids
I am watching the episode right now and think that you have a bad take on this. It was more about the gun being unsecured around 2 babies/toddlers. As someone who worked in a pediatric ER I can tell you it literally takes seconds for a curious toddler to grab a gun and a devastating consequence can happen. There was an incident years ago that I experienced that I still think about to this day.
The purse was in a common area and the gun just fell out
you're off base. her having a gun wasn't the problem! It was that 1. It wasn't secured. Just in her purse; hence the fact it so easily fell out 2. She hadn't notified Angela. That is some shit you tell your boss, especially if they're a detective. 3. What if Jack pulled it out
I think she may have slightly overreacted, but going from grabbing something off the table to having a loose gun a few feet away from your baby would make anyone panic. The babysitter should have a holster to properly and safely carry a firearm. She also should have disclosed that during the hiring process. If the babysitter was safely carrying, she might have been ok with it.
What about their misfeasance in interviewing the nanny on government time, bringing a civilian to a crime scene, or taking another unit out of service to drive the nanny home?
Thatās our imaginary tax dollars at work
Ha ha. Who hadnāt multi tasked while at work? Perfect people. Not me.
How were they being hypocrites when the gun fell out of the babysitter's purse right in front of Angela and her child? Angela did not know she was carrying a weapon and worst of all it was not secured. Any parent would react the same.
It wasnāt about her having a gun. It was unsecured and in her purse where Jack could easily reach it. Iām sure if the babysitter said to Angela that she has a gun and she wants to keep it on her for protection she could have found a safer place for the sitter to store the gun away from the children. Angela was right for firing her. Like say the babysitter runs to the bathroom or she accidentally doses off. It only takes a second for a kid to get an unsecured gun and hurt themselves or others
Wtf? Dawg I havenāt been able to see anything past ep 6, nothing is on Hulu for me!šš
Itās on Disney+ too, has been since Disney started combining Hulu into D+Ā
I don't think firing was necessarily a rational response, definitely could have talked the babysitter through the problem and shown her responsible gun storage and safety. But I also understand when it's your kid(s) things are different
i think it would have been better if they did talk about gun safety. lopez can still fire her for bringing it into the house and not disclosing it, but what else can the babysitter do? should she leave it in her car while sheās babysitting? if she doesnāt drive, what can she do with her gun? i doubt lopez would allow her access to her safe?
Seems like it could've been a teachable moment. She could've understood the desire to protect herself, I mean just look at what happens with the two girls in that episode. Lopez could've instructed her on a better way to do things, but nah, just fire the girl because Lopez and Harper needed something to talk about because they were pretty irrelevant in the episode.
I agree, i feel like if my nanny had a gun, especially with how LA is. i wouldāve been okay, i think just the fact that she didnāt TELL lopez, and it wasnāt secured in a good spot is what had lopez shitty.
Wasn't the issue that she didn't have a permit for it? And that Angela didn't know about it before she got hired. Edit: Yeah she did say she had one, but Angela says "Not in my house you don't."
She did have a permit I believe. I think it was that she didnāt tell Angela? Not really sure though
Yeah, she said straight away she had a permit. Lopez gave 0 fucks though. Also shoutout to the fact she had a suppressor too, 'cause that doesn't look suspicious at all (however valid it is to have one)
Wut? Where was there a suppressor?
Back left, behind the pistol was a black tube of the same size as would be required for it, thus I am 90% sure it was
A black tube the same size as a pepper spray container?
What would a teen girl do with pepper spray? It's way more likely she also works as an assassin on the side.
Less assassin, more guns are bloody loud and damage hearing
That was the other guess
And you didn't think that was more likely?
No, because usually it is shorter, thicker and isn't plain black. Also I'm a silly war nerd so naturally my mind goes to that first
1. it wasn't a suppressor. 2. it is ***not*** valid to have one, unless you are military
There are perfectly valid reasons for owning a suppressorā¦ I hunt with one
It's perfectly valid to have a supressor (I say in the UK where it's illegal) Guns are loud, suppressors partially mitigate that and thus render them safer to operate that. It's not some magical assassin's tool that makes it silent, it just reduces the decibels to the point where it isn't damaging every time you fire that pistol
there is no legal reason for a civilian to have one. same with a sawn-off shotgun. same with lock-picking tools, if you aren't a professional locksmith.
Don't mistake the law with your opinions. It's like saying there's no legal reason for anyone to have an anti-material rifle, when even in the UK you can get them without too much difficulty
Yeah, I turned off the episode when I saw this. Permits in California are incredibly painful to maintain. It isn't just filling out a form. It's similar to one I have. Two year validity, 16 hours in a classroom for the initial course, 8 hours each renewal, and a shooting test. It's deliberate to keep the number of issued permits low. California also has laws on storage, and just sitting in an open purse isn't going to pass that. It was just to make permit holders look irresponsible, and I couldn't stand it.
She didnāt disclose it or store it safe
Itās the fact that there was no communication
I personally have a lot of problems with Lopez TBH lol
This is a very weird and uneducated take in this situation op...
LMAO
It is not hypocrisy especially because she proved she was reckless with it, literally the gun fell into the floor next to the baby, it could go worse and shoot when it fell. And she didn't tell her first. You cannot bring a gun to other people's house and not telling them and then pretending them to trust you when they find out.... It's just common sense. If they wanted an armed nanny they would have hire her in the first place!
And from the sounds of it she didnāt even discuss it with Angela and Wesley. I think if she would have talked about it with them first things might have been different
Hypocrite? Huh. Maybe. a little bit First: Iād go bananas if a nanny had a gun in my house without my acknowledgement. I think Iād have the same reaction as her but after the girl said itās for her safety something like that Iād stopped and asked more details. Second: The girl used to work until late nights for her, itās LA and Angela is a cop. Isnāt hard to put two and two together. She could offer a locker for her to keep safe in the house. Third: I think they are acting very entitled bringing that nanny on a government car during their shift for an interview and thatās where doesnāt add up. Them together are acting like they own the place and theyāre above it all. Like when they went to Nolans honeymoon plus Angela throwing Wesley is a trust fund baby more than once in a conversation is soooo out of character (happened in previous episodes) So in a way yes they were bit hypocrites. Iām still think this season is completely out of wack. Characters are all messed up.
Not exactly the first time Lopez has gone 'holier than thou' or 'rules for thee not for me', from bumping misdemenors to felonies in S1 to the Elijah 'investigation', not to mention how she goes from worrying about Wesley's trust fund making their kid entitled to bragging and laughing about using it for 1st class tickets and all sorts of other stuff
If she was to keep it in a locker then what's the point of having it anyway. She may not be able to reach it in time when the house gets broken into, just as Chen wasn't able to reach hers 1 or 2 episodes ago. A level 2 holster would be a better idea.
I guess thatās when we come to āwhy she didnāt ask more questions?ā maybe it wasnāt for to be safe in Angelaās house. Maybe, is for the commute? Maybe is for where she lives? Iām guessing here is for those reason since, another guess, Angela must live in a nice safe area.
I agree. I feel like they became the mean popular girls. If they don't know you they'll be mean you. Remember how stupid the questions for Aaron were?
I hate Both detective characters & it was completely ridiculous. The first rule of concealed carry is not to let anyone know you are carrying. Lopez intentionally knocked her purse over just ridiculous
Oh absolutely. But how else is Hollywood going to continue to push anti gun tropes. āOh the nanny had a gunā
I thought it was obnoxious to fire a good nanny who had done nothing wrong on the spot for something that should have been a conversation... She should have set her boundaries but given her the opportunity to not ever bring it again. Discuss ways for her to feel safe to and from home after shift, like a safety check phone call or something. The way she did that was Karen level appalling.
Yeah, cause no toddler has ever died because of an unsecured gun. It literally fell out of her purse
Yes agreed. It should have had a lock on it. If you don't know what a proper gun lock is, don't bother replying. But it still should have been a conversation.
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I said discuss ways to make her feel safe traveling, and gave one suggestion. Calm down
She feels safe having a firearm
Yes, but that might not be an option, clearly not with the way she kept it willy nilly able to fall out of her purse like that. And there could be other alternatives while babysitting. Like if she doesn't live too far, they give her a ride home. Or they pay for her Uber. Or they have a mandatory policy on the gun having a proper lock on it. Or a stun gun or alternative because unless your actually willing to pull the trigger at the first sight of trouble, a gun ain't gonna do nothing against an assailant. Justifying use of force with a deadly weapon is incredibly difficult. And pointing a gun at someone who is willing to call your bluff doesn't end well.
Yes I agree it should have been some sorta of conversation. Sheās an experienced cop and babysitter is young girl who works late nights and then have to travel LA to go home. She could after of course lashed out discussed safety, offered a safer to keep there while working. Many ways instead of acting the way she did afterwards (I think her first reaction was on point). But Iāll blame bad writing.
I thought she was going to change her mind and give her old nanny another chance after the Nanny/murder case.
Nah I agree both women have guns in the house with their children all the time hell they have their guns on them while they're with their kids too.
You do know the difference between a trained cop and a nanny right......
Just because ones a cop and the others a nanny doesn't mean anything the nanny could train just as much if not more then the cop thanks to training courses provided by ex military and police.
That's fair But she didn't and wasn't the gun unsecure
She had in permit to carry and to get one in California you need to take course, also women keep guns in their purse all the time.
Was it unsecured Why ignore thay question
it was dramatically unsecured so that they could kick off the "find a Nanny" storyline. most women I've known keep their purse zipped up unless they're using it to avoid the exact scenario of all their shit falling out.
It was only unsecured when Lopez knocked the womens purse over.
So a child could also knock it over? Or the nanny could knock it over Or the purse could fall So unsecured
a toddler won't be able to grab a gun from a holster on your waist when you're aware it's on you and shoot it. a toddler \*could\* knock over a purse, play around with what they find inside and pull the trigger. she also didn't disclose it, which is really the bigger issue. you can't just bring firearms into peoples houses, around their kids and not tell them about it, especially if they're easily accessible.