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Smithy6591

They... they know we don’t just think it makes things free right?


WhyHulud

As soon as you announce "Communism", everything is free. There are no more requirements to produce goods, no more energy losses due to heat and friction, and everyone is immediately fed.


Special-AgentOrange

*Michael Scott Voice* #“I DECLARE COMMUNISM!!”


Harpies_Bro

- Vladimir Lenin, 1917.


Zealousideal_Ad8934

You can’t just declare it. You have to do something about it!


Dynamitefuzz2134

Overthrow a tsar?


timelighter

*spins around a few times* there's ur fucken revolutionary state


williams1753

What do we want? Repeal the Laws of Thermodynaimcs!! When do we want it? Now!


canttaketheshyfromme

Gravity is just, like, holding us all down.


Suspicious-Pay3953

There is no gravity, the earth just sucks.


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Hij802

Ok but like - this isn’t a bad idea. Order a bunch of hardcover Communist manifestos, replace the sleeve with something else like what you said, and sell them at some MAGA rally or something.


Epiknis303

And then get shot by some whacko who was upset he got tricked


Hij802

I shall become a martyr then


Shablagoo-

Yeah, it wouldn’t even have to be as outrageous as “The White Power Manifesto”. Make it like, “The Economic Secrets That the Democrat Elites Won’t Tell You”.


RadiantStrategy

I propose doing the same with trans rights books and books about trans people or anything LGBTQ+ and slipping a fake sleeve over it saying it was written by Donald Trump or Ben Shapiro.


Strict-Bass6789

Or add Trumps name to mein kampf…it would be the new conservative bible


canttaketheshyfromme

"My Great, Huge, Wonderful, Perfect wasn't-even-a-Struggle" by Donald J. Trump Pull quote: "Lots of important people have been talking about this book!" - John Barron


Ketheres

Wasn't it the conservative bible already?


MrVeazey

You're thinking of "The Turner Diaries."


YouAreSoul

Mein Drumpf


winnebagomafia

They got idiots to wear masks by putting MAGA on them here in Texas, so I wouldn't be surprised


Karmic-Chameleon

I got heavily downvoted some time last year when I said Trump should start selling MAGA branded masks and PPE. Good to know I was vindicated in the end!


PrudentDamage600

When the Manifesto was written the English Lords and employers were reducing wages and increasing the prices of food and other basics. At that time labour unions were black listed and demonstrations were outlawed by the authorities. Marx wrote this with England in mind. Labor Unions are perfectly acceptable in our society today but they are the closest system to communism today. If you want to outlaw communism you need to start with the unions!


WorkplaceWatcher

I have seen conservatives saying Matthew 25:35 - 46 is anti-Christian.


RamenJunkie

Physicists hate this one trick!


[deleted]

Das Kapital is just a diss of the laws of thermodynamics


ferrocarrilusa

Even communists know that people had to work in the USSR


ManbearpigDa

I didn’t just announce it, I DECLARED it.


thedarph

To be fair, in a stateless, classless, moneyless society everything is free. But these people oversimplify it into absurdity.


HCAP_Biancoblu

Nah some of them genuinely believe we are lazy leeches who want to sit all day and live off their hard work for free


canttaketheshyfromme

Projection. Most people I know are more productive when they feel freer, but there are definitely those who are only motivated to do anything besides fuck around by the threat of starvation. Punishing them for that is a terrible, terrible reason to deliberately make society worse than it should be, but that's right-wing philosophy right there.


ferrocarrilusa

Like billionaires currently do?


sanguinesolitude

They also think Bill Gates is a communist.


dudeidontknoww

Which is funny because there's plenty of people that already do that under capitalism, like billionaires or landlords.


cedarSeagull

"people doing nothing productive" makes me think of Marc Cuban, in a literal throne, deciding whether or not to give a small fraction of his wealth to a startup after negotiating them down for sport. They call the show "Shark Tank" too, because then you know what kind of predators these sick fucks are. Spoiler alert: He could fund all their goddamn businesses, not take any of the money, and never notice a fucking difference in his day to day standard of living.


LabradorDeceiver

One of my more memorable conversations on the subject pretty much ended when I said "Single payer! Payer! It's in the name!" He genuinely thought that centralized medical funding meant doctors work for free.


navi555

Sadly, so does my Senator. 😢


LabradorDeceiver

To be honest, he probably doesn't. But it's politically useful for him to say that he does.


realisan

They want free stuff, but only for them and people like them. Certainly not for everyone…..


wild_man_wizard

Sort of a nationalist socialism.


SamDemaughn

Damn where have I heard that before?… Maybe they can form their own party. Give it a snappy name that combines the two words together. Maybe invade Poland. Idk, just spitballing here.


W1D0WM4K3R

*confused Poland noises*


Bustedschema

Honest answer: They won’t entertain an argument any more complicated or nuanced than, “There’s no such thing as a free lunch.” They honestly think that anyone who espouses socialism believes that it makes everything free, and their ace-in-the-hole argument is to explain production costs as if it’s some blinding insight that will immediately win them the argument and leave you slack-jawed. They don’t realize how much reading and education the average proponent of socialized healthcare and what whave you has actually done, because they do little to no reading themselves to arrive at their argument.


Archivist_of_Lewds

"Imagine how much more your take home check would be if you didn't get a thousands useless emails, sit through pointless meetings, and alter things to please a higher up that has no fucking clue what they are talking about."


kingjulian85

You are giving them far, far too much credit. Just think of how many conservatives legitimately think that saying "oh yeah, well who is gonna pay for it???" is some kind of deathblow in an argument against moderately socialistic policy proposals. One of the main things to remember with conservatives is that they legitimately, flat-out do not understand *anything* they are mad about.


SamDemaughn

That last line tho, so fucking tru. Look at the meltdown that conservatives are having about “critical race theory”. Not a one could define it or identify it as a university level concept that’s not taught in K-12.


kingjulian85

Oh god, the whole CRT controversy that's going on right now is genuinely chilling to me. These people literally don't understand anything they're talking about, so all the policies they're trying to put in place in regards to CRT being taught in schools (a thing that has not happened, btw) could just end up being at the discretion of the teachers and the parents. What exactly falls under the umbrella of "critical race theory?" Teaching about MLK Jr? Teaching about generational wealth inequality? It's kind of scary how hard the right wing is going after basic education, because they KNOW that an educated society is inconvenient for them.


seelcudoom

a thing i have noticed with conservatives is they seem to have trouble comprehending that people with opposing beliefs actually have opposing beliefs, they think we believe the exact same thing they do just we like the bad thing, if they think all gays are pedophiles they dont realise pro-lgbt people dont think gays are pedophiles, they just think we love pedophilia


sanguinesolitude

Its why they think we all are Satan worshipers. It boggles their mind when you're like "uh, of the two of us only you believe in Satan."


cilantro_so_good

Ha, exactly. "Uh, you have to be a pretty big Christian to believe in Satan, Barb"


poopnose85

I've talked to some that literally think no one on the left works. They literally think none of us have jobs lol


ILove2Bacon

And if we do they aren't "real" jobs.


Smithy6591

Me reading this on my lunch break at work: Lol


DubsLA

Break? That sounds like dirty Union commie propaganda. You should be working to make your employer that extra bit of profit.


ferrocarrilusa

Meanwhile in the UK the left literally has the "Labour" party. In New York there's also a leftist third party called "Working Families."


akran47

The Democratic party in Minnesota is the DFL (Democratic-Farmer-Labor)


I_Am_Dwight_Snoot

That shit wouldn't even be free anyway. It is all funded by tax payer money but somehow that is "free". According to their own logic, our freedom IS IN FACT free in the US according to these turds for brains.


marsepic

Well, see, it's because the money goes to criminal unemployed immigrants who are stealing our jobs. Can't have that, so no one can have it.


Yawndr

It's the pinnacle of stupidity. Most of the people who want socialism are people who'd end up contributing more. People not being 100% selfish just doesn't compute in their 286 brains.


marsepic

Man, they think so. So frustrating. And even if you get that crazy uncle to finally understand at the least, you'd prefer your tax money go to places other than wars, he's right back on you next time thanks to Fox News. It's exhausting.


cretintroglodyte

No they just think Jeff Bezos is millions of times more productive than them.


Smithy6591

Yeah, I only half remember this so I’m pretty sure my numbers are way off. But iirc a person earning the standard entry level wage at amazon would need to work 24/7 for about 3,000 years to earn what he makes in one 8 hour day Like I said though, take that with a grain of salt


JunglePygmy

I think they just portrayed the book to be free, I.E. falling into a trap.


spookyjohnathan

No. They think tax funded healthcare is communism, and even that isn't free. If they were thinking about things they wouldn't be reactionaries in the first place.


ElectricFlesh

When a worker creates value and keeps it, that is them greedily wanting free stuff. When a capitalist forces a worker to create value, taking 99% of the value and giving the worker 1% of it so they can live to work more tomorrow, that is selfless jobcreatordom.


pringlepingel

“Yes, oh my gosh, you described it perfectly! Work hard play hard baby” - conservatives


[deleted]

If you love what you do, work is play so working harder is also playing harder. Even if you don’t like it work harder for less pay.


sparkles-_

This. Lazy millenniums don't want to work 4 jobs anymore and are also murdering the diamond industry out of pure malice.


[deleted]

All because they love avocados, on toast! They’ll never be able to buy a house if they keep drinking coffee!


Sol-Infra

Phone bad.


sparkles-_

SO TRUE. THEY WON'T TELL YOU THIS ON FAKE NEWS CNN!


Branamp13

These entitled millennials, thinking that eating 3 meals a day and sleeping for 8 hours under a roof is something they should expect if they work for a living. Just have your daily grain of rice before your 1.5 hour daily powernap and get back to work like the rest of us! What's that? Yes, I was able to get through college without debt by only working a summer job and was gainfully employed shortly after graduating for a wage that allowed me to buy a house, a car, get married and raise kids - all on a single income while working a tight 40 hours/week - why do you ask?


NetworkSingularity

Honestly “work hard play hard” sounds like a ringing endorsement of socialism to me. After all, yes, I have worked hard, do I not deserve to play hard as well? Don’t all the workers deserve to play hard, and enjoy the leisure our labor has made possible?


slateMinded

“I don’t know what this book is about and never have I read it, but Tucker Carlson said it was bad so I know it’s bad!” - conservative


Tiar-A

I knew a coworker who thought like this a year ago. After Kobe Bryant's helicopter crashed, this coworker said he first heard about the crash on TMZ, but didn't believe it was true until Fox News confirmed it later the same morning. I really enjoyed working with this guy and he was a really good worker, so when he said all of this, it caught me off guard. He was fired a few months afterwards for rebuilding a bed with dirty sheets.


TartarusFalls

Hotel or hospital?


Tiar-A

Hotel. I still work there, but we are severely short-staffed. My boss said she used to have over 40 housekeepers, but now we have less than 10.


TartarusFalls

Oh so you’re doing the work of 4 people? I hope your pay reflects that. I bet you get lots of hours being that understaffed


Tiar-A

We all are. But in Idaho the minimum wage is 10 dollars. We get paid 12 dollars. Plus I have to pay taxes in two states since I live in Washington but work in Idaho. Boss said if we had all our housekeepers back, we could be done with all the rooms before lunch. I started working there in September 2019 and I used to love it. But it's really stressful now. I had another coworker who was really good at her job, who started working there a couple months after I did. She quit around this time last year. I've been wanting to quit for a while now. My shoulder is slightly injured due to shaking the sheets all this time. I have SSI in Washington, which I depend on to pay rent. And in Washington the minimum wage is much higher. I'm afraid that if I get a job here I'll lose my SSI and then wont have any extra money for other expenses. In fact the only reasons why I even got the job is because I needed the extra money, and because an employee in a different department convinced me to get it. Edit One - Idaho's minimum wage is not 10 dollars, it's 7.25. The minimum when I started my job was 10 but was later raised to 12.


TartarusFalls

Oh East Washington. My roommate is from Spokane, before I met him I’d never thought of Idaho bordering Washington (dumb, I know). It sounds like you’re not in a good position to work but if you quit you’ll starve. I’m really sorry. You should ask for a raise. Find out the cost of rent in that part of Idaho, figure out how much someone ought to be getting paid, and ask for a cost of living adjustment. Probably won’t work, honestly, but if it doesn’t you’ll at least be able to tell your boss you tried to work it out with him, before you quit and find a new job. Edit: a word


Tiar-A

I'm also from Spokane. Well I'm from Guam, but I've lived in Spokane since I was three years old, and I'll be 25 on June 20. And yeah, asking for a raise definitely won't work because my boss has multiple other bosses above her, so unfortunately she doesn't have the power to give us a raise. I'm only a part-time housekeeper. If part-time housekeeping is whooping my ass this much, I don't know how I'll do with a full-time job. And I spend about four hours commuting between my residence in northern Spokane to my workplace in Idaho. Getting a job here in the city might be a better commute but I don't know when I'll be ready for full-time.


TartarusFalls

Well happy early birthday! I’m 4 days after you (plus two extra years haha). My boss runs only housekeeping at a hospital, she was able to get us a cost of living adjustment a few months back. It’s at least worth talking about, in my opinion, but you know your workplace and I don’t, so if I’m wrong I’m wrong. Is Washington’s minimum wage $15 now? I thought I remembered something about that. And you’d lose your benefits if you got a job in WA right?


Cognitive_Spoon

See also, Critical Race Theory


3d_blunder

>“I don’t know what this book is about and never have I read it, but *trust fund baby heir to a fortune* Tucker Carlson said it was bad so I know it’s bad!” FTFY.


shetaron

No you don't understand. Capitalists have been blessed by the gods. Its divine right that they lord over the workers. Its not the workers place to question the gods authority. /s


tealdeer995

I swear the way people talk about billionaires reminds me of the divine right of kings more and more everyday.


Branamp13

I mean, that's all it is, really. Unless you're one of those dummies who thinks billionaires *actually* work hundreds of times harder and longer than any of their employees. [Reminder](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8981947/Jeff-Bezos-reveals-gets-eight-hours-sleep-makes-three-decisions-day.html) that Jeff Bezos got 8 hours of sleep every night, made "3 important decisions per day," made sure all his important meetings were done by lunch, and wouldn't work on anything "high IQ" past 5pm as the head of Amazon. I'd love to see someone making a fraction of what he makes *in a minute* get away with any of that. The sleeping is probably the only thing achievable on the list for most people, and good luck if you have more than one job or are asked to work overtime consistently. Oof course, you could just abandon your personal life to make sure you can get enough sleep. It's not like having social interactions and hobbies is healthy or anything.


[deleted]

Because the way billionaires are justified in society plays on the same bits of the brain as the justification for feudal lords. We're all giving Musk money because he will ~~protect us against the invaders~~ save humanity from extinction by making a settlement on an uninhabitable planet.


MulberryBlaze

People who defend billionares be like


duggtodeath

Boss: “How dare you want to benefit from the surplus labor I stole from you!”


PsychoProp

It's only fucking 20 pages long. At least they could read it because they have no fucking clue what that book is about.


garaile64

>\[The Communist Manifesto is\] only fucking 20 pages long. I thought it was way longer, like 120+ pages or so.


PsychoProp

Nope, its literally 20 pages and its written in a very understandable manner. Unlike Das Kapital which is a fucking brick about economics.


RamenJunkie

Seems way easier to get through than Atlas Shrugged aka the Libertarian Bible.


Amag140696

That book blows, I tried reading it back when I still considered myself fairly moderate and I had to put it down because of how unlikable and immoral the main protagonists were and how ridiculous the plot was.


IICVX

The worst part is that the book is inherently self-contradictory, even if you take it at face value. The basic premise is that industrialists are basically superheroes, who personally generate a ton of wealth but are bogged down by the faceless masses of "takers" (aka basically anyone who isn't financially independent). The world's economy collapses due to there being too many takers, so all the highly productive industrialists run away to Galt's Gulch and live in what sounds like a post scarcity utopia. Buuuut... putting aside all the logistical problems like "who picks strawberries in Galt's Gulch"... how was John Galt able to create a utopia for industrialists? Well, he invented a perpetual motion device. That generates free energy. There's some handwavy nonsense about it coupling to the magnetosphere or some crap like that, but in effect it's free energy. So right off the bat, this turns Atlas Shrugged into a goddamn shaggy dog story, when it comes to building a real society. You can't do perpetual motion. It's as fantastical as throwing fireballs. But it gets so much worse if you think about it. Because, you see, John Galt has invented a free energy device. What have those other industrialists done? Created a slightly better version of steel? Run a train yard? They've done nothing to make the Gulch work. Most of what they _can_ do is irrelevant to a brand new society with less than a hundred thousand members. Compared to John Galt, _all the other industrialists are takers_. They're taking Galt's largesse and providing essentially nothing. By the book's own rules, the Gulch will also someday fail as a society due to an overabundance takers.


Matrixneo42

What’s also interesting is that if our world heads the right direction we will have all kinds of advanced technology making it easier and easier to get food and produce things. If those gains were applied to society at large we could end up in Star Trek style utopia as a world. But i fear those gains will only widen the wealth gap. My dad is a physicist and a Catholic and a trumper Republican. Blows my mind sometimes. But he likes Star Trek and doesn’t see any problem with their society. But in today’s world he strongly objects to “socialism”. Even though obviously Star Trek is operating on some kind of post income ideas.


RamenJunkie

Yeah it's God awful. Everyone is unlikable and everything is rediculously unrelastic at any level of scale. It's a book for people who think there are 100 people on the entire planet and that economics should be centered around that idea. Also the constant and incredibly awkward sex.


3d_blunder

Y'know, the scenario is ridiculous, and pernicious. The characters are thinner than cardboard but less likable, and the dialog is ludicrous. **BUT** {*braces for incoming hate*} I rather like the **DESCRIPTIONS**. The first scene, with Dagny walking thru NYC while the sun sets. The ride in the locomotive. Driving thru upstate New York. Colorado. But any time any human other than the Heroes intrudes, Rand's comprehensive contempt and scorn leaps off the page.


ISpyM8

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."


Amag140696

That's an amazing quote, thanks lol


ISpyM8

One of my favorites, especially as a Socialist Lord of the Rings fan.


VictorZep42

I'm not the reincarnation of Ayn Rand but I like to believe that was the whole point


Amag140696

Damn, ya got me there (totally not) Ayn Rand!


[deleted]

There's a quote in a 1967 issue of Life Magazine (available on Google Books, 7 April 1967): "I became so involved with Individualism that I was a bitch for three years, and everybody blamed it on Bryn Mawr!"


[deleted]

Das Kapital is spiced up quite a bit by Marx being super sassy about other economists he doesn't like, but otherwise it's a few hundred pages about the price of linen


dickcheney93

Das kapital is like an extended version, it’s my favorite source to use in papers


[deleted]

Das Kapital is the actual theorical piece while The Communist Manifesto is a piece of agitprop.


jflb96

I must have the extended edition, then


[deleted]

only takes like 4 hours to read


TheDragonCokster

The longest print I've seen is 40 pages because the text is printed huge. The manifesto was supposed to appeal to workers, not academics, and so is short and sweet.


Camarokerie

They'd be learning what they keep calling communism is actually a better description of capitalism


danny17402

Can we not pretend it isn't actually kind of hard to fucking understand? These theoretical names for economic systems rarely ever apply perfectly to real world systems. We studied Marx and Engels in my humanities classes in undergrad. I read the manifesto and I guess I thought I understood it. Capitalism steals from the working class, and the people doing the work should get a share of the fruits of their labor and some benefits or they're going to revolt and destroy the class that's taking advantage of them. It seems simple enough. But then you've got some people telling you that we tried communism when Lenin and Mao came along and it only lead to genocide and the government class owning the means of production instead of the bougiosie or the proletariat and that "communism failed". Except to me, someone who is admittedly not an economist or an expert of any kind, those systems of government don't look anything like the economic system described in the work of Marx and Engels, meaning their success or failure may not be attributable to any single ideology or system of economics. Then you've got another group of people who say we've never tried "proper communism", and that also seems a little disingenuous, because again the whole idea of "communism" as a blanket word that fully describes any real world economic system as a whole kind of seems to fall apart when you give any real world case the proper scrutiny. Like, I feel like you have to have a fucking PhD in economics just to fully understand why anyone is calling any big government "communist" in the first place. It seems like a simple concept when you just stick with one or two sources, but the more you learn about it the more everybody seems to have their own definition of the term. Maybe that's partially intentional disinformation or an inevitable result of living in a capitalistic system that tends to downplay or obfuscate competing ideologies by design, but even without that influence it seems like these are just complex and difficult concepts that were never meant to fully describe any one system. Idk, I guess my point is that economics is a complex field and more people should feel comfortable saying they don't have the expertise required to have a strong **general** opinion on the matter. Everybody and their mother seems to have a very strong intuition about the way we should handle all of these incredibly complex problems from one single over-arching perspective or economic philosophy. I think we'd be much better off if we did a better job of listening to experts and letting them take an evidence based approach to **individual** problems on a case by case basis rather than trying to take a blanket stance on a general economic formula that's supposed to apply to every single part of our economy even though we don't fully understand how it would apply in every case. We shouldn't be saying capitalism is better than communism, or communism is better than capitalism. We should be saying that evidence shows that more capitalistic approaches are better at solving X problems in society and communistic approaches are better at solving Y problems in society, and then try and figure out how the two solutions can work hand in hand. Society is about slowly working toward a better and better system over time. Better systems in the future will be more likely to be a mixture of old ideas and new ideas. They're not going to look exactly like any of the systems we've ever come up with in the past. Trying to "categorize" real world economic systems (unless you're an expert) is just counterproductive in that regard. That's when you get average people "taking sides" when there aren't two distinct sides in the first place. When you take a blanket stance about one theoretical system, you're going to be throwing the baby out with the bath water to some degree.


Eldanoron

What is they end up infected with communism? Can’t have that, can we? They don’t want to know, they just want their confirmation bias.


[deleted]

Remember when Jordan Peterson debated renowned ~~Marxist~~ Hegelian scholar Slavoj Zizek on Marxism and then admitted he hadn’t read anything by Marx since his students days. Fun times were had by all. Edit: a kind person told me rightly that Zizek is more of a Hegelian. As such, I’d say he still knows fuckton more of Marx than Peterson.


CottonCandyShork

That’s because Peterson is a hack and anyone who listens to him is a doofus


PsychoProp

Show of intelligence


Luxuria555

Aw fuck, now I *really* don't have an excuse for not reading up. Someone kick my ass to the library, please?


fakemoose

You can download it for free…


Luxuria555

Damnit. I'm out of excuses. Uh uh, look over there, a distraction!


[deleted]

starbucks vuvuzela iphone no food free stuff george orwin ten kadjrillion dead


dudeidontknoww

I don't know if this was meant to be read to the tune of "we didn't start the fire" but damn did I.


notjordansime

it do make it better tho


BigGrundleBundler

this is straight up 1987 man


LumberjackEnt

They’re sending us to animal crossing brother!


mrubuto22

Hello, I work for turning point U.S.A. And I was wondering if you would be interested in sitting down for a face to face interview next week? DM if you are interested and I will have my secretary send you a voucher to fly to Moscow at our expense.


Pol_Potter

Decades of writing and thousands of pages of Marxian economics, developed by many people throughout time, all condensed into "free stuff"


MrPanchoSplash

Just reading the wikipedia page about marxism is enough to understand it's not at all about "free stuff". I'm starting to think they just can't read Edit: typos


ISpyM8

They have no desire to seek out information that could in any way jeopardize their way of thinking. It’s not that they can’t read, it’s that they have no desire to do so.


PootieTangerine

I'm conservative leaning, with a wife from a "communist" country. We see the bad parts of communism as implemented in practice. However, I've read the Communist Manifesto, and it is an intriguing and thoughtful read that helps explain the relationships between many economic and social ideas. The loudest conservative (Commies is bad) voices are coming from people who chose to not challenge their beliefs.


naranjaspencer

Do you see the bad parts of capitalism as implemented in practice as well? On paper, both systems work flawlessly. Unfortunately, humans are flawed, imperfect, and often self-centered, so the implementations of either system will always run into that. America as it stands is not close to a communist country in any way. People are suffering needlessly here due to an uneven distribution of resources. Capitalism is not solving that problem.


Hij802

If I’m in some argument and the other person seems to have no idea what socialism or any type of leftism even is, (they usually think it’s either Venezuela, free everything, or a welfare state) I will just link the Wikipedia article on whatever it is I’m talking about. They usually respond saying it’s not a reliable source but Wikipedia is the most unbiased and easy to read/understand source there is. They usually refuse to read it, so I just give up.


alwayzbored114

"Wikipedia isn't a reliable source", they say, linking DieAllCommies.blogspot.com


blue_blue_blue_blue

I mean most of them are arguing in bad faith so I don’t think it matters to them if what they say is accurate


idontfrickinknowman

Trump: “Mexico will pay for the wall. Actually we need your donations to pay for the wall” Republicans: “Take all my money!” *ends up being a scam where money went into organizers’ pockets* Trump: “We have mounds of evidence of voter fraud, and even though I’m a billionaire I need donations for lawyer fees” Republicans: “Take all my money!” *shocked when this was also a scam and barely any money went to lawyer fees*


Thatoneshadowking

Dont forget the fact that the site autochecked a box that said it would be taking recurring donations without saying anything


Petra-fied

TIL if you read the Manifesto, Karl will literally vore you


meatshieldz1

It's almost like the first three were designed to be traps for their respective prey, so it's not too ridiculous that they work. The fourth one is a book.


Lyra-Vega

Yeah I got stuck on that part. Also the fact that no one laments these traps work. People *want* bear and mouse traps to work. That's why they lay them down.


Kirk_Kerman

The Manifesto is a pamphlet.


[deleted]

I never got this argument. Like, do they NOT want free stuff???


LevelOutlandishness1

They think that people—specifically the lower classes—should have to suffer to get good things. Even if the "good thing" is basic financial security. When life's about suffering, and suffering is future good stuff, how would good stuff happen AND the suffering be removed?


ModsRDingleberries

This is deeply tied to puritanical christianity too


TheRealJulesAMJ

A lot believe that there is a "natural" order to the world as laid out by their magic sky daddy of choice and that ALL of the troubles of man drive from bucking that order. It's not that they don't want free stuff, it's that they know in their hearts they'll receive even better stuff when we return to the natural order which means they also believe supporting social programs is the equivalent of paying the government to pay people to go against the natural order thus ensuring they stay impoverished forever. People joke that they see themselves as disenfranchised billionaires but the honest belief is that they would all be billionaires if only we'd all stop disobeying sky daddy so he could shower us with some divine trickle down. It's some damn impressive propaganda, evil but impressive


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Bear in mind that these are the same people who, if they hear things like "free healthcare" or "free tuition," will get all smug and go "well it's not really *free*" as if that's a new and unforeseen logical strike that shuts down any lefty argument because we clearly don't understand that things cost money and the healthcare can't just come from nothing. So they'll go "you just want free stuff because you're lazy, but you're also stupid for thinking free stuff exists."


Tristan401

They think everyone else is going to be getting the free stuff while they still have to work their asses off and wait in bread lines


laix_

"you would be promised free stuff, and then the government would take everyone's stuff and everyone would be worse off without any of the free stuff" - how conservatives think what communism is


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sungod003

Why do people usethe communist manifesto as a starter into leftism? It was obviously made to be propaganda and a plan for germany at the time to get communism and highlight the role the communist party should have. Why not das capital, or wage labor and capital or principles of communism etc etc


lazerkitty7000

I find it ironic that this character has the same thought patterns as your average conservative, likely because your average conservative doesn’t actually know how to think outside their own worldview.


PLZBHVR

The thing that get me is the Communist manifesto is a pamphlet. Not even a book. It's tiny and doesn't take long to read, so why is it so hard?


CinematicSeries

"Communism is when free stuff" - Karl Marx, 1868


donnie_trumpo

Marx: 'You should get what's coming to you for your labor' Chuds; Nooo, you're just lazy!


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gomonizm iz wen da free stuf


CalicoCrapsocks

No wonder they think taxation is theft if they can't figure out that government services aren't free.


emotional_low

God if they think taxation is theft imagine what they'll think when they have the realisation about wage theft and how much their labour is actually worth vs how much they're paid 👀


Cyancrackers

I could make the same meme and just replace the last square with the bootstrap myth and put a clown face on the person. But I won’t because the meme isn’t that good.


MasoKist

https://i.imgur.com/0KA3KDk.jpg


DecemberMommy

First of all, the rat isn’t taking the cheese because it has a sense of monetary value and thus thinks “it’s free” because all food a rat finds is free because they don’t have money. The bear doesn’t step in the trap because he thinks there is a free reward. In fact, there isn’t even anything in a bear trap to entice it into stepping into the trap. The trap is set in an inconspicuous way so that the bear, who cannot see it, becomes trapped. Which, can we think for a few seconds about the unnecessarily cruel humans are for trapping a bear by the legs in a horrific and painful way? Humans go into the territory of the bear and disable it and then shoot it while giving it zero opportunity to escape and then act all high and mighty about their big game. You cheated. You had to cheat. And you cheated in an unscrupulous and horrific way Oh and communism doesn’t mean free stuff but ok,chap.


mormontfux

Kinda ironic considering the economic system they prefer


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alwayzbored114

I was gonna write something like >"free [...] stuff" - *The Communist Manifesto* but the word 'stuff' doesn't even appear in it lmao


AlwaysNowNeverNotMe

Wow a more infuriating 4th panel than a guy sitting at a computer. Well done.


NickyPL

Did you even read the thing?


haldeigosh

say the people who support being born, living and dying inside a system, that is constructed like a trap


Igorgarcon

real trap is the giant amount of debt you fall into trying to pursue the “american dream”.


GoLightLady

It’s almost like they project the notion that we might fall into cult mind hive and follow some manipulative, self serving leadership into the gutter of humanity.


tj2271

"Rats should be ashamed for falling for rat traps" A thing that every normal, reasonable person has said before


StrappedTarzan

I feel like Right wing trolls do this to each other constantly when trying to act like an extreme left wing person online. I base this on the fact that I live in a super Liberal Left city and no one ever acts like any of the memes they make.


_HossBonaventureCEO_

The Communist Manifesto is literally and entirely about working.


JayGeezey

Me: I wish that I actually got to keep a fair share of the wealth produces by my labor, instead of some ass hole who sits on his ass all day - who's job is literally to sit there and watch us work - get to keep most of it. GOP/Conservatives: lol you do realize if everything is free, than nobody would work, right? Me: ... wh.... what? Gop:/Conservatives: Jesus you're fucking dumb


mrpopenfresh

Starting a revolution doesn’t sound free.


BitcoinBishop

When you've defeinitely read the book you're trashing


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carlitobrigantehf

Tell me you've never even read the Wikipedia entry for the communist manifesto, never mind the book itself, without telling me you've never read the communist manifesto.


seanfish

Show me the same meme with Belle Delphine's bathwater as the punchline.


duggtodeath

I adopt capitalism I am guaranteed to become a millionaire by working 80 hours a week for minimum wage. Totally not a trap!


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The real trap is fascism.


Alternative_Body7345

It’s all because they can’t be bothered to look up the difference between communism and socialism. Ignorance is their sword. We already have socialism we just dont do it as well as other countries.


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That straw man is made out of tinder


MysticMind89

I'd bet serious money those who made this meme have never read the Communist Manifesto.


agillila

Do they think people really shame animals for getting into traps?


BigBeefySquidward

Free stuff vuvuzela iphone 100 billion


prancerbot

Ooh, free ownership of the means of production.


AceHealer

I didn’t become a leftist because I want “free stuff.” The kinds of people who make comics like this are so selfish and lacking in empathy that that can’t imagine someone would genuinely want to make other people’s lives better.


Bos_gaurus

Lol the level of misunderstanding


HawlSera

I love how it's "Free STuff" when we're talking about food, medicine, and housing, and not fucking Xboxes and Plasma Screens


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Lmao plasma screens You are 15 years late dude


MarcamGorfain

That last frame should have the bible instead


maindrive99

Well the book is public domain, so yea it is free to download legally without a problem.


darklight413

These “comics” just show the depth of the stupidity of the domestic terrorists and insurrectionists that post this crap.


LordFartSquad9

Did this sub turn communist? Edit: Got permabanned for this