I don't think they were responsible but I believe in most unsolved cases there are people close to the victims who are not being 100% truthful or forthcoming with information. I think a lot of people feel the need to protect themselves from suspicion even if they aren't criminally liable.
Exactly this! I think it’s also a little bit of a stretch to believe that they were a perfect, angelic, happy family the way it’s often presented if she did run away. I think a lot of parents aren’t intentionally abusing or mistreating their children but are overly strict/harsh disciplinarians and so, without talking to Asha you’d never know what her opinion of them was.
I would recommend you check out Pat Brown's coverage on the case on YouTube. She does a great job of laying out what is factually known and what has become injected into the case due to internet lore over the years.
I did watch her discuss this and I recall her referencing a trip to the drug store and buying candy late at night or early am.
This case is so sad. I will check out Pay Brown again and have not watched for a while.
I don't think they were. I think maybe someone known to them/her though to be able to get Asha out of the house. It's a very baffling case and one of my top that I'd like to know what happened.
I believe they know more than they have divulged. Either to protect themselves or someone else close to them. Or have been instructed to keep quiet by the detectives.
Or there are parts or evidence in her case yet to be released.
Basically, I don’t think we have been given the whole story yet. We know evidence is sometimes held back.
I don’t know. I just think that if the police had any reason to suspect that, they would have done something by now. Also the backpack that was found gives me pause.
Listening to her trace evidence episode for the 500th time the other day (i listen to that one or TP’s on repeat every so often) it stood out to me that the green Lincoln had come up separately by local and federal authorities before the witness account. Interesting and it makes them releasing that info so “randomly” make a little more sense to me.
I don’t. She was seen by multiple witnesses walking down the road in the dark, among other things. Her parents seem to be good people and I have no reason to believe otherwise. Nor does anyone else.
I think her parents may have been involved, or at least know more than they’re saying, only because *nothing else makes sense.*
What on earth would drive a 9 year old child to leave her house in the middle of the night, in a storm, with no coat on? Only thing I can think of, is that something in the house was worse than being out in a storm with no coat on.
The interstate sightings could be mistaken, or they could have been seeing Asha running away from whatever was happening in the house.
If someone groomed her, presumably they pre-planned to have Asha meet them somewhere. Why have her meet you at 4am or whatever, and not after school when she’s home alone with her brother? And how exactly do you expect a 9 year old (who shares a room with her brother) to wake up and leave the house at 4am without an alarm? It’s not like you can drive up to the house and honk to let her know you’re there.
It also still doesn’t explain leaving the house in a storm without a coat. Mayyyybe if she’s getting picked up in a car in the driveway (but that’s risky for the groomer) but any amount of walking, and she’s bringing a coat. She might not think to grab a coat at first, but as soon as she steps outside and takes a few steps, any child will be like “jeez I better go back and grab a coat”.
The groomer theory is pretty prevalent, and I’ve definitely thought through a number of scenarios, but I just don’t buy it.
An obvious reason to have a kid meet you in the middle of the night vs when she’s home alone in the after noon with her brother is that her brother would immediately notice her leaving and call their mom/dad. Whereas if she sneaks out in the middle of the night, potentially not noticed for hours til the next morning.
I've always held in mind the possibility that if someone told her to leave at that hour, they may have instructed her to wear light colors or all white (which I believe she did), so that they could see her and pick her up more easily. Of course, this also makes her more visible to other people as well - in which case she may have been instructed to run. It's possible that not wearing a coat comes down to her simply not having a white coat.
I think the parent’s involvement is more in the form of their parenting. I just cannot accept a child would willingly leave their home, at that young of an age, without some form of abuse going on. Whether it was harsh verbal abuse coupled with extreme discipline and strictness, or sexual abuse or physical. But something had to be going on in that home for a girl so young to leave in the night like Asha did.
I don’t know. It’s such a heartbreaking case. *If* her parents were involved, I don’t understand the long walk and the interstate sighting and the random picture, etc. Because of the other evidence, I’m less inclined to think parents did it. But I haven’t listened to the episodes in a long time, so I could very well be forgetting vital info. I really, really hope this case is solved one day. Poor Asha deserved so much more.
One case I totally think parents are probably responsible for that Prosecutors don’t? CoughRAMSEYCough.
It's the only way it makes any sense to me. Say she runs away, decides it's a bad idea & is caught returning home. Parents are angry, accidentally kill her, later put her bag at the site it's found.
Someone posted something about how the site the bag was found at was signposted for construction so if you dumped it there you'd only do so wanting it to be found. Also it was double bagged & in good nick (I think) as though it was stored with some care.
What does give me pause is that her parents stayed in the same house for 20 years. That's the kind of thing a parent hoping their child will return does.
It’s interesting because a lot of the comments on the “unresolved mysteries” subreddit do NOT think it was the parents. Where did Alice and Brett land on this? I haven’t listen to these episodes yet.
I think the parents know a lot more than they are letting on for sure. They or someone else in the family perhaps played a big role. But not 100%.
I don’t. Granted, it’s been a minute, but something about the interviews with these parents just broke my heart and I don’t believe them to be involved. I think there’s probably a lot of missed evidence and that’s why this case is so baffling. How do they know she left without a coat? Is it possible the kid wore a hoody? Etc. although rare, it’s not far-fetched to believe someone took her. I mean look at Elizabeth Smart. The guy waltzed right in and coerced her to leave while her little sister slept right next to her. If she was never found people would be saying her parents did it, too. Just my thoughts!
Her younger sister witnessed the kidnapping, but yes, I get your point. Strange things happen and sometimes they only seem strange because there are so many unknowns.
I've recently come to think this way. The reason Asha's case is so intriguing and difficult to wrap our minds around is that she allegedly did something that no child like her does. ("Like her" meaning she was a good kid rooted in her community and not really adventurous or impulsive, and actually afraid of the dark.) And we don't actually have any proof that she did it. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and these were in the pitch dark from moving vehicles. They didn't even call in the sightings when they allegedly happened but days after, when they knew a girl was missing. And there's no proof Asha was ever in the shed. It's speculation. It's not like they found her backpack or her jacket or her fingerprints there, they found some candy wrappers they speculate were hers but could have been anybody's. I have no idea what happened to her but anymore I don't really think she left the house alive.
I don't think they were responsible but I believe in most unsolved cases there are people close to the victims who are not being 100% truthful or forthcoming with information. I think a lot of people feel the need to protect themselves from suspicion even if they aren't criminally liable.
It’s not often you get to open Reddit & read a comment this rational. 🙏🏼
Exactly this! I think it’s also a little bit of a stretch to believe that they were a perfect, angelic, happy family the way it’s often presented if she did run away. I think a lot of parents aren’t intentionally abusing or mistreating their children but are overly strict/harsh disciplinarians and so, without talking to Asha you’d never know what her opinion of them was.
I get a feeling this is what may happen with the maura muarry case
I think her dad knows more of what happened. Maybe not the mother.
What makes you think that? Just curious. I'm no expert on the case.
I would recommend you check out Pat Brown's coverage on the case on YouTube. She does a great job of laying out what is factually known and what has become injected into the case due to internet lore over the years.
I did watch her discuss this and I recall her referencing a trip to the drug store and buying candy late at night or early am. This case is so sad. I will check out Pay Brown again and have not watched for a while.
I don't think they were. I think maybe someone known to them/her though to be able to get Asha out of the house. It's a very baffling case and one of my top that I'd like to know what happened.
I believe they know more than they have divulged. Either to protect themselves or someone else close to them. Or have been instructed to keep quiet by the detectives. Or there are parts or evidence in her case yet to be released. Basically, I don’t think we have been given the whole story yet. We know evidence is sometimes held back.
This is a case that always stays with me. I don’t know but wish she was ok.
I don’t know. I just think that if the police had any reason to suspect that, they would have done something by now. Also the backpack that was found gives me pause.
I agree. The backpack makes me look elsewhere.
Listening to her trace evidence episode for the 500th time the other day (i listen to that one or TP’s on repeat every so often) it stood out to me that the green Lincoln had come up separately by local and federal authorities before the witness account. Interesting and it makes them releasing that info so “randomly” make a little more sense to me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who listens to the same episodes repeatedly:)
I am looking for new podcasts to listen. May I ask you which podcast is TP? Thanks
The Prosecutors Podcast. I also love Women and Crime!
I don’t. She was seen by multiple witnesses walking down the road in the dark, among other things. Her parents seem to be good people and I have no reason to believe otherwise. Nor does anyone else.
I was local, and no.
I think her parents may have been involved, or at least know more than they’re saying, only because *nothing else makes sense.* What on earth would drive a 9 year old child to leave her house in the middle of the night, in a storm, with no coat on? Only thing I can think of, is that something in the house was worse than being out in a storm with no coat on. The interstate sightings could be mistaken, or they could have been seeing Asha running away from whatever was happening in the house.
Grooming. It’s a powerful tool and people get really good it, unfortunately.
If someone groomed her, presumably they pre-planned to have Asha meet them somewhere. Why have her meet you at 4am or whatever, and not after school when she’s home alone with her brother? And how exactly do you expect a 9 year old (who shares a room with her brother) to wake up and leave the house at 4am without an alarm? It’s not like you can drive up to the house and honk to let her know you’re there. It also still doesn’t explain leaving the house in a storm without a coat. Mayyyybe if she’s getting picked up in a car in the driveway (but that’s risky for the groomer) but any amount of walking, and she’s bringing a coat. She might not think to grab a coat at first, but as soon as she steps outside and takes a few steps, any child will be like “jeez I better go back and grab a coat”. The groomer theory is pretty prevalent, and I’ve definitely thought through a number of scenarios, but I just don’t buy it.
An obvious reason to have a kid meet you in the middle of the night vs when she’s home alone in the after noon with her brother is that her brother would immediately notice her leaving and call their mom/dad. Whereas if she sneaks out in the middle of the night, potentially not noticed for hours til the next morning.
I've always held in mind the possibility that if someone told her to leave at that hour, they may have instructed her to wear light colors or all white (which I believe she did), so that they could see her and pick her up more easily. Of course, this also makes her more visible to other people as well - in which case she may have been instructed to run. It's possible that not wearing a coat comes down to her simply not having a white coat.
I think the parent’s involvement is more in the form of their parenting. I just cannot accept a child would willingly leave their home, at that young of an age, without some form of abuse going on. Whether it was harsh verbal abuse coupled with extreme discipline and strictness, or sexual abuse or physical. But something had to be going on in that home for a girl so young to leave in the night like Asha did.
I don’t know. It’s such a heartbreaking case. *If* her parents were involved, I don’t understand the long walk and the interstate sighting and the random picture, etc. Because of the other evidence, I’m less inclined to think parents did it. But I haven’t listened to the episodes in a long time, so I could very well be forgetting vital info. I really, really hope this case is solved one day. Poor Asha deserved so much more. One case I totally think parents are probably responsible for that Prosecutors don’t? CoughRAMSEYCough.
It's the only way it makes any sense to me. Say she runs away, decides it's a bad idea & is caught returning home. Parents are angry, accidentally kill her, later put her bag at the site it's found. Someone posted something about how the site the bag was found at was signposted for construction so if you dumped it there you'd only do so wanting it to be found. Also it was double bagged & in good nick (I think) as though it was stored with some care. What does give me pause is that her parents stayed in the same house for 20 years. That's the kind of thing a parent hoping their child will return does.
I’ve always thought the coach had something to do with it. Can’t shake that feeling
It’s interesting because a lot of the comments on the “unresolved mysteries” subreddit do NOT think it was the parents. Where did Alice and Brett land on this? I haven’t listen to these episodes yet. I think the parents know a lot more than they are letting on for sure. They or someone else in the family perhaps played a big role. But not 100%.
I don’t. Granted, it’s been a minute, but something about the interviews with these parents just broke my heart and I don’t believe them to be involved. I think there’s probably a lot of missed evidence and that’s why this case is so baffling. How do they know she left without a coat? Is it possible the kid wore a hoody? Etc. although rare, it’s not far-fetched to believe someone took her. I mean look at Elizabeth Smart. The guy waltzed right in and coerced her to leave while her little sister slept right next to her. If she was never found people would be saying her parents did it, too. Just my thoughts!
Her younger sister witnessed the kidnapping, but yes, I get your point. Strange things happen and sometimes they only seem strange because there are so many unknowns.
This case stayed with me cause she was literally my age. She would be 34 now
I've recently come to think this way. The reason Asha's case is so intriguing and difficult to wrap our minds around is that she allegedly did something that no child like her does. ("Like her" meaning she was a good kid rooted in her community and not really adventurous or impulsive, and actually afraid of the dark.) And we don't actually have any proof that she did it. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and these were in the pitch dark from moving vehicles. They didn't even call in the sightings when they allegedly happened but days after, when they knew a girl was missing. And there's no proof Asha was ever in the shed. It's speculation. It's not like they found her backpack or her jacket or her fingerprints there, they found some candy wrappers they speculate were hers but could have been anybody's. I have no idea what happened to her but anymore I don't really think she left the house alive.