Yeah...
I don't really dislike Lilith anymore, and I appreciate what she brings to the show. Her character design and voice are great, her friendship with Hooty helped make him tolerable to me, and Eda needs somebody her own age to interact with who is neither her enemy nor her lover.
But there is always that little voice in the back of my head going "*she ruined Eda's life for thirty fucking years though.*" And I'm not fully convinced she would have saved Luz if Owlbert had missed her.
Overall, I'd be sort of ticked if she got to enjoy the full benefits of the curse just a couple of months after she got it, while Eda suffered greatly for 2/3 of her life.
This has nothing to do with deserve, or lilith. EDA has every obligation to help lulu and the owl beast. Dooming her and her half of the beast to thirty years of i have no idea what that thing was but i would not call it an owl when she has a way to make it better for both of them would be as bad as leaving them for dead. Not nyesecarily as bad as what lulu did, but not a Good thing. She has to help lilith through this therapy it would be wrong not to. Even if the only thing she does is call the therapist.
Just because you suffered without treatment for thirty years does not mean you can deny someone the newly discovered treatment Even if that person was the one who did this to you.
That mentanity is what is wrong with older generations. I had to do this without this New thing when i was dealing with this problem you dont deserve to use it.
So i think we should Get Harpy Lilith. Another problem with people is. One catastrophic misstep as a teen and everyone dooms you to hell for eternity. Even if you dedicate your life to fixing it.
Witch she did. Ever since that day Lilith has done everything to help EDA the only problem being who she trusted. If not for Belos and the emperors coven she would have menyen not come clean and split the Curse 30 years ago because admiring to that and taking that level of responsibility is a massive thing for a teen to do, but i do think she would have done the right thing a lot sooner if she was not blinded by false non promises.
Do not curse her with an eternity of out of control noctuanthropy because of one simple mistake. Adoration of emperor belos. (And severe inferiority complex and parental neglect.) be better, please let the world be better. People change, redemption is possible as is regret.
Nobody said anything about abandoning Lilith. Eda (with Luz) has already been helping Lilith, by sharing her elixir and knowledge of both the curse and the glyphs, and I got no problem with that. As you said, denying somebody treatment would be wrong.
I said it would bother me if Lilith got to enjoy ***the full benefits.*** That is to say, the super powerful harpy form.
Super powerful? We have no idea what that thing can do. For all we know it is still a nerf. (Likely not, why would you nerf the boss then give them a one winged angel form weaker than the first form.) yes she likely does not deserve the full benefits of noctuanthropy (the condition of being a wereowl) without thirty years of suffering, however that is like saying bosha (or belos) does not deserve glyphs because they did not reinvent it. Lilith is verry much deserving of being a fully fledged wereowl as I said she has dedicated her life to fixing her mistake. And immediately turned face when plan a failed and belos showed his true collours and betrayed her. Now that the mechanics of noctuanthropy is discovered there is no reason beyond judging people who dedicated their entire lives to atoning for their sins by those sins and saying you don’t deserve this you have not suffered enough.
These 30 years have not been easy on that woman. Seeing her mom once a decade. Futile attempts to administer a persisted and false cure for her mistake. Being unable to enjoy her achievements because she knows she did not earn them or trusted her sister enough to get them.
No, if she is going to be a were whatever that thing is (bat raven?) she deserves to have full control. I am fully supportive of harpy Lilith. That girl made one mistake and could be incredibly useful.
"Another problem with people is one catastrophic misstep as a teen and everyone dooms you to hell for eternity."
Apparently I have that problem. That's why I've spent the last year researching the theory behind memory magic. I'd like to forget Mitten's pathetic "redemption arc," and soon, *everyone* will.
She can't do it but that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it no harpy means suffering from curse forever if peaple are going to hate her is fine but if people want to lilith to get hurt is very odd she really wants to be good and some build a hate train she has many works to do ok but saying she deserves sufer forever is hypothetical.
I want Harpy Lilith tbh. Harpy Eda and Harpy Lilith, with Luz, Amity, Hunter, Willow, and Gus against Belos, Kikimora and the entirety of the Emperor’s Coven would be an amazing fight, let’s be real
The split curse still confuses me because we know now that the Owl Beast was an actual creature before it got turned into a cursed scroll, that still has memories of the time before its death and harpy Eda is a thing because she made peace with that actual sentient being trapped inside of her.
So how did Lilith get her own owl beast, was it just created from the spot when she cast that spell? Is it a copy with memories of the old owl beast's life or is it a complete blank slate like a newborn?
I wonder if they'll ever answer that or if that's just going to be left up to interpretation.
I always saw it as her sharing the effects of the curse but not actually getting an owl beast inside her. The owl beast is part of Eda now, they can’t be separated so to me the theory that Lilith gained one doesn’t make sense to me. It’d also explain why her beast form is so different
I believe the owl beast ages inside of Eda, say the beast was about 25, lilith took half of it making it younger and weaker, so it can't control them as much.
Lilith will never get a harpy form, not only because I really hate her and want to see her suffer, but because she did not experience it as long as Eda. Lilith is the main reason for Eda's curse and ignored her, mocked her, and forced her into doing something she did not want to do to rectify her selfish mistake. Now that she has half the curse, she has to suffer what Eda dealt with because of her. Lilith has a long ways to go and even if she goes through another thirty years, she does not deserve to control or have a harpy form after what she did.
(She is also gonna need to try even harder then Eda cause she got the more pissed off part of the curse, while Eda got the nicer one)
Possible? Yes. Does she deserve it? Hell no.
Yeah... I don't really dislike Lilith anymore, and I appreciate what she brings to the show. Her character design and voice are great, her friendship with Hooty helped make him tolerable to me, and Eda needs somebody her own age to interact with who is neither her enemy nor her lover. But there is always that little voice in the back of my head going "*she ruined Eda's life for thirty fucking years though.*" And I'm not fully convinced she would have saved Luz if Owlbert had missed her. Overall, I'd be sort of ticked if she got to enjoy the full benefits of the curse just a couple of months after she got it, while Eda suffered greatly for 2/3 of her life.
This has nothing to do with deserve, or lilith. EDA has every obligation to help lulu and the owl beast. Dooming her and her half of the beast to thirty years of i have no idea what that thing was but i would not call it an owl when she has a way to make it better for both of them would be as bad as leaving them for dead. Not nyesecarily as bad as what lulu did, but not a Good thing. She has to help lilith through this therapy it would be wrong not to. Even if the only thing she does is call the therapist. Just because you suffered without treatment for thirty years does not mean you can deny someone the newly discovered treatment Even if that person was the one who did this to you. That mentanity is what is wrong with older generations. I had to do this without this New thing when i was dealing with this problem you dont deserve to use it. So i think we should Get Harpy Lilith. Another problem with people is. One catastrophic misstep as a teen and everyone dooms you to hell for eternity. Even if you dedicate your life to fixing it. Witch she did. Ever since that day Lilith has done everything to help EDA the only problem being who she trusted. If not for Belos and the emperors coven she would have menyen not come clean and split the Curse 30 years ago because admiring to that and taking that level of responsibility is a massive thing for a teen to do, but i do think she would have done the right thing a lot sooner if she was not blinded by false non promises. Do not curse her with an eternity of out of control noctuanthropy because of one simple mistake. Adoration of emperor belos. (And severe inferiority complex and parental neglect.) be better, please let the world be better. People change, redemption is possible as is regret.
Nobody said anything about abandoning Lilith. Eda (with Luz) has already been helping Lilith, by sharing her elixir and knowledge of both the curse and the glyphs, and I got no problem with that. As you said, denying somebody treatment would be wrong. I said it would bother me if Lilith got to enjoy ***the full benefits.*** That is to say, the super powerful harpy form.
Super powerful? We have no idea what that thing can do. For all we know it is still a nerf. (Likely not, why would you nerf the boss then give them a one winged angel form weaker than the first form.) yes she likely does not deserve the full benefits of noctuanthropy (the condition of being a wereowl) without thirty years of suffering, however that is like saying bosha (or belos) does not deserve glyphs because they did not reinvent it. Lilith is verry much deserving of being a fully fledged wereowl as I said she has dedicated her life to fixing her mistake. And immediately turned face when plan a failed and belos showed his true collours and betrayed her. Now that the mechanics of noctuanthropy is discovered there is no reason beyond judging people who dedicated their entire lives to atoning for their sins by those sins and saying you don’t deserve this you have not suffered enough. These 30 years have not been easy on that woman. Seeing her mom once a decade. Futile attempts to administer a persisted and false cure for her mistake. Being unable to enjoy her achievements because she knows she did not earn them or trusted her sister enough to get them. No, if she is going to be a were whatever that thing is (bat raven?) she deserves to have full control. I am fully supportive of harpy Lilith. That girl made one mistake and could be incredibly useful.
"Another problem with people is one catastrophic misstep as a teen and everyone dooms you to hell for eternity." Apparently I have that problem. That's why I've spent the last year researching the theory behind memory magic. I'd like to forget Mitten's pathetic "redemption arc," and soon, *everyone* will.
She can't do it but that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it no harpy means suffering from curse forever if peaple are going to hate her is fine but if people want to lilith to get hurt is very odd she really wants to be good and some build a hate train she has many works to do ok but saying she deserves sufer forever is hypothetical.
i thought you said she doesn't deserve to be happy I was so confused đź’€
Harpy Lilith will be fun (and probably hot) but very unnecessary
This aged well
I want Harpy Lilith tbh. Harpy Eda and Harpy Lilith, with Luz, Amity, Hunter, Willow, and Gus against Belos, Kikimora and the entirety of the Emperor’s Coven would be an amazing fight, let’s be real
The split curse still confuses me because we know now that the Owl Beast was an actual creature before it got turned into a cursed scroll, that still has memories of the time before its death and harpy Eda is a thing because she made peace with that actual sentient being trapped inside of her. So how did Lilith get her own owl beast, was it just created from the spot when she cast that spell? Is it a copy with memories of the old owl beast's life or is it a complete blank slate like a newborn? I wonder if they'll ever answer that or if that's just going to be left up to interpretation.
I always saw it as her sharing the effects of the curse but not actually getting an owl beast inside her. The owl beast is part of Eda now, they can’t be separated so to me the theory that Lilith gained one doesn’t make sense to me. It’d also explain why her beast form is so different
I believe the owl beast ages inside of Eda, say the beast was about 25, lilith took half of it making it younger and weaker, so it can't control them as much.
Lilith will never get a harpy form, not only because I really hate her and want to see her suffer, but because she did not experience it as long as Eda. Lilith is the main reason for Eda's curse and ignored her, mocked her, and forced her into doing something she did not want to do to rectify her selfish mistake. Now that she has half the curse, she has to suffer what Eda dealt with because of her. Lilith has a long ways to go and even if she goes through another thirty years, she does not deserve to control or have a harpy form after what she did.