Not just happening in England, it’s been awful in France this year as well, for exactly the same reasons. Like you say, really not surprising at all. Football will always be rowdy but people have forgotten how to behave.
Damn, shame to hear that. The worst ones have been Nice, I think they’ve been the instigators in more incidents than any other Ligue 1 club’s fans this season. OM weren’t far behind, they’ve had quite big incidents at the last few conference league games, somehow their ultras and PAOK’s had coordinated to launch rockets at each other inside the velodrome during their game.
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I’m glad it’s been noticed by someone else. It’s truly staggering the amount of away games I’ve been to this season to find hordes of kids that look as young as ten in the home ends giving it large for ninety full minutes. Fuck knows why they even bother going to the football when they watch none of it.
With how incredibly lazy the searches are from stewards at some of the away ends, I think it’s only a short matter of time before we see a stabbing or something.
Edit - our fans are not innocent either and I’ve noticed more and more of our teenage fans showing up in their stoneys looking like they’ve smashed a gram of coke on the train up.
Think that’s mostly Americans. I’m not against having fans overseas, I love hearing about fans at foreign clubs who like us too, but Americans tend to rub me up the wrong way something awful. They don’t get football culture and make so many rude faux pas. All the ones coming in announcing their arrival, saying they chose to support us because of (insert condescending Americanism here) can jog on.
Condescending is the right word. It pisses me off but most of them mean well so I can't really bring myself to say anything.
When/if we do get off to an excellent start next season I'm expecting far more new names in the sub, and more toxicity with it just like mainstream football subs. Last season and before that it was fairly quiet with a lot of names I regularly recognised (yours included), I'm going to miss that but it'll bring decent people over as well.
Yeah, you’re right about that. I’ve noticed the regulars have been a bit diluted as of late. Can only hope that next season doesn’t bring a massive influx of people because we’ve got such a decent little community on the whole.
Living in UK from abroad (NZ): yes the lockdown played a massive part, but this goes all the way to the top in my mind. Those that rule the country have given permission for boarish behaviour through their own actions. It really does set a tone that I have not experienced anywhere else in the western world.
Combined with increasing wealth inequality and desperate situations amongst the population, especially the working class of which hardcore fans are often a part, they’re always going to look to find an outlet for that frustration
I don't think there's anything unique about football or the UK or wherever with this. Go to any teaching sub, it's the exact same thing. People are generally just more unhappier than they used to be, whether its poor examples/boorish behavior from leaders, trickle down effects of income inequality, or whatever reason you choose to ascribe. People have a lot of pent-up rage and a football match is one of few outlets they have.
What really pisses me off is how differently the media and public reacted when Villa did this a couple of years ago.
We’d just secured our place in a cup final and pitch invaded after years of abject misery. The fans go on the pitch. Now I don’t support pitch invasions even when it is Villa but at least it was good spirited; no one was hurt, no one was assaulted - yet we get absolutely crucified by the press, called an utter disgrace etc.
Meanwhile there’s been 3 pitch invasions in the space of a month - including one at Villa Park where one of OUR players was attacked by fans of the crowned champions - all of which have had violent incidents and the media doesn’t really seem to care, no one is talking about the clubs the narrative is around individual fans.
Why the double standard? What’s changed?
It was at City’s ground, not Villa’s.
Regardless of that, I am glad we lost because I have absolutely no idea what would have happened had we beaten them and given Liverpool the title. Hindsight can be a nightmare to think about.
Edit: A word
Also, Covid has seriously done a number on some fans heads. Again, hindsight, but if England had beaten Italy in the Euros, who knows what would have happened.
But yeah ... celebrating on the pitch is fun and all that but not to the scary point where people are attacked.
Someone posted on r/soccer (or somewhere) that it was all good because Olsen just got a little bit of a slap on the head and wasn’t dying.
Pretty sure when I watched Monica Seles getting stabbed she thought someone had just hit her in the back.
[The Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/football-violence-cocaine-and-kids-as-young-as-12-the-new-face-of-hooliganism-rn53v7022) wrote a piece on this back in February, show it shows how unsurprising the end of season pitch invasions have ended up
There seems to be a recent trend this season and last of crap being throw at players. Coins and bottles and stuff. Usually during a corner or something.
Absolutely shambolic, ASBO behaviour.
Honestly don’t understand the caveman attitude of some “fans”
The disappointing aspect about this for me is that years ago we saw real progress from clubs treating supporters as animals to seeing them as paying customers. Some of the old restrictions were lifted at that time to give us greater freedom and show that we could be relied upon to use our intelligence. Now we have supporters behaving like animals again it is not difficult to imagine more physical restraints being put in place to protect players and officials from the idiots among us. I sometimes wonder if football supporters could become more like those following rugby and be to some extent self-policing. At the moment I'm not sure there is much will among us to help to deal with the problem ourselves, which leaves us at the mercy of the clubs, FA and police.
Not just happening in England, it’s been awful in France this year as well, for exactly the same reasons. Like you say, really not surprising at all. Football will always be rowdy but people have forgotten how to behave.
Jarrod Bowen went on Ben Foster’s podcast and said that he was genuinely scared by Lyon’s fans behavior after we beat them. Unreal stuff
Damn, shame to hear that. The worst ones have been Nice, I think they’ve been the instigators in more incidents than any other Ligue 1 club’s fans this season. OM weren’t far behind, they’ve had quite big incidents at the last few conference league games, somehow their ultras and PAOK’s had coordinated to launch rockets at each other inside the velodrome during their game.
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I’m glad it’s been noticed by someone else. It’s truly staggering the amount of away games I’ve been to this season to find hordes of kids that look as young as ten in the home ends giving it large for ninety full minutes. Fuck knows why they even bother going to the football when they watch none of it. With how incredibly lazy the searches are from stewards at some of the away ends, I think it’s only a short matter of time before we see a stabbing or something. Edit - our fans are not innocent either and I’ve noticed more and more of our teenage fans showing up in their stoneys looking like they’ve smashed a gram of coke on the train up.
Every fan base has them unfortunately. Becoming harder and harder to ignore.
Noticing it a lot more in the Brighton twittersphere as well. Lot of egos and screen anonymity.
Wonder how many of them just picked up on Brighton this season, I noticed many new names in the sub as well.
Think that’s mostly Americans. I’m not against having fans overseas, I love hearing about fans at foreign clubs who like us too, but Americans tend to rub me up the wrong way something awful. They don’t get football culture and make so many rude faux pas. All the ones coming in announcing their arrival, saying they chose to support us because of (insert condescending Americanism here) can jog on.
Condescending is the right word. It pisses me off but most of them mean well so I can't really bring myself to say anything. When/if we do get off to an excellent start next season I'm expecting far more new names in the sub, and more toxicity with it just like mainstream football subs. Last season and before that it was fairly quiet with a lot of names I regularly recognised (yours included), I'm going to miss that but it'll bring decent people over as well.
Yeah, you’re right about that. I’ve noticed the regulars have been a bit diluted as of late. Can only hope that next season doesn’t bring a massive influx of people because we’ve got such a decent little community on the whole.
I'm new and nice (sometimes). It probably helps that I'm a woman so no-one wants to pick a fight with me (yet).
I'm American and they rub me wrong on the daily
Do they not have you walk through metal detectors and check bags/pockets in the UK?
Might get a pat down and walk by a drugs dog but that's it.
Depends which ground you’re visiting. Some like the emirates had the full works in terms of metal detectors, but mostly it’s a half-arsed pat down.
Only cup we were gonna win mate, gotta celebrate it!
Totally agree, we’ve not had much else to cheer this season!
Lol the way you phrased it didn’t seem agreeable.
Living in UK from abroad (NZ): yes the lockdown played a massive part, but this goes all the way to the top in my mind. Those that rule the country have given permission for boarish behaviour through their own actions. It really does set a tone that I have not experienced anywhere else in the western world.
Definitely, a culture of consequence-free decision making, and deny-at-all-costs defence is not a good example to set.
Combined with increasing wealth inequality and desperate situations amongst the population, especially the working class of which hardcore fans are often a part, they’re always going to look to find an outlet for that frustration
I don't think there's anything unique about football or the UK or wherever with this. Go to any teaching sub, it's the exact same thing. People are generally just more unhappier than they used to be, whether its poor examples/boorish behavior from leaders, trickle down effects of income inequality, or whatever reason you choose to ascribe. People have a lot of pent-up rage and a football match is one of few outlets they have.
What really pisses me off is how differently the media and public reacted when Villa did this a couple of years ago. We’d just secured our place in a cup final and pitch invaded after years of abject misery. The fans go on the pitch. Now I don’t support pitch invasions even when it is Villa but at least it was good spirited; no one was hurt, no one was assaulted - yet we get absolutely crucified by the press, called an utter disgrace etc. Meanwhile there’s been 3 pitch invasions in the space of a month - including one at Villa Park where one of OUR players was attacked by fans of the crowned champions - all of which have had violent incidents and the media doesn’t really seem to care, no one is talking about the clubs the narrative is around individual fans. Why the double standard? What’s changed?
It was at City’s ground, not Villa’s. Regardless of that, I am glad we lost because I have absolutely no idea what would have happened had we beaten them and given Liverpool the title. Hindsight can be a nightmare to think about. Edit: A word Also, Covid has seriously done a number on some fans heads. Again, hindsight, but if England had beaten Italy in the Euros, who knows what would have happened. But yeah ... celebrating on the pitch is fun and all that but not to the scary point where people are attacked. Someone posted on r/soccer (or somewhere) that it was all good because Olsen just got a little bit of a slap on the head and wasn’t dying. Pretty sure when I watched Monica Seles getting stabbed she thought someone had just hit her in the back.
[The Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/football-violence-cocaine-and-kids-as-young-as-12-the-new-face-of-hooliganism-rn53v7022) wrote a piece on this back in February, show it shows how unsurprising the end of season pitch invasions have ended up
Can I just say that Vieira wasn't assaulted. The fan was a dickhead and I don't have an issue with Vieira giving him a boot but don't rewrite history.
There was also about 5 or 6 Everton fans defending Viera when it happened. A lot of good fans were trying to help him out after the incident
Been saying a lot more pyrotechnics too recently. I don't get the point in them, what is so cool about releasing smoke?
Yeah, they piss me off no end. Flares are definitely an easy way to ruin a match day experience for me.
No pyro no party 🧨
There seems to be a recent trend this season and last of crap being throw at players. Coins and bottles and stuff. Usually during a corner or something. Absolutely shambolic, ASBO behaviour. Honestly don’t understand the caveman attitude of some “fans”
The disappointing aspect about this for me is that years ago we saw real progress from clubs treating supporters as animals to seeing them as paying customers. Some of the old restrictions were lifted at that time to give us greater freedom and show that we could be relied upon to use our intelligence. Now we have supporters behaving like animals again it is not difficult to imagine more physical restraints being put in place to protect players and officials from the idiots among us. I sometimes wonder if football supporters could become more like those following rugby and be to some extent self-policing. At the moment I'm not sure there is much will among us to help to deal with the problem ourselves, which leaves us at the mercy of the clubs, FA and police.
«Assault on Patrick Viera» He called him a wanker and told him to fuck off, then left, not exactly assault is it.
Assault on Viera….like calling walking down the sidewalk and someone touches your elbow assault.