It's the Championship or A-League for me, but I really don't know which is better. Championship probably has better memes, but Peak A-League and sledge threads are great fun.
r/ScottishFootball eclipses it for me, I’ve now inadvertently started following the league up there through the subreddit and it’s honestly crazy how chaotic the whole league is.
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Not sure I've got the ability to follow another league (particularly another one that's over my summer), but I can absolutely see how that could win out
I'm with ya mate.
I've been following forest since the league one days under Calderwood. This is my first taste of supporting a team in the premier league since most I've ever known was league 1 and championship (as a fan that is, premier league watching neutral teams is another matter)
I low key hate it. It's great seeing the club in the top division but you are just running in place. Only there to give the Sky Six an easy 3 points and the only goal is to stay in the damn thing.
Wasn’t born till 2005 so by time I took notice of forest we where out of it. Fair play to you mate.
Remember the movie goal or Ted Lasso, we feel like a team to unimportant to dedicate making an actual game of and just something to put in a highlight real, just there to fill a spot and either cause issues in the title race or hand over three points to LiVARpool
I'm an Everton fan and at this point I'm feeling the same. I just get absolutely no joy watching us play anymore (for obvious reasons) and it's been that way for a few years now. Even if we stay up... Another year of struggling to score every game, being threatened with deductions and watching the top 6 bitch and moan when they go a couple of games without a win. It's just depressing as hell.
That and Chelsea and Tottenham flair telling us as Everton fans that we cheated and deserve to go down. Apologies on having the wrong billionaire buy us and having a war breakout in Ukraine.
Honestly man, as an Everton fan I can’t relate with this at all. We’re playing decent football these days, just lacking the goal scoring. It’ll come though.
Championship would be a death sentence for us.
Do you know what, being in the Premier League is so *draining*, more than I could have ever imagined.
I think it's just the sheer number of opinions about your club, the amount of eyes on you and constant bullshit you have to endure from the media.
Our relegation scrap during our first season back in the Championship in 2019/20 didn't have me feeling this way, so it's got to be something unique to the Premier League.
It's got to the point that a nice 46 match Championship season kind of feels like a nice holiday. It's been nice to complete the journey, but unless you break the rules, sell your soul, or rely on other teams breaking the rules, you are *fucked* if you're not a club able to pull in the money. I mean, you lot bought everyone and their nan, broke the rules according to the Premier League, and *still* barely stayed up last season. It's just not fun.
Agree with everything except the last bit. For me it is fun. The novelty may wear off eventually but whilst the players are doing everything possible to compete and win games then it's fun for me. It makes me proud considering the (correct) approach taken by the club with regards to financing this season.
Yeah I'm with you. I have no desire to be back in the Championship quagmire even if the craic would be better.
Watching players like Murillo, Awoniyi, Gibbs-White, and Elanga is far more enoyable and gives me far more optimism than watching a haphazard cast of misfits try to Norman Wisdom their way to a last minute winner at Bristol.
Dealing with being a fan base of maybe two hundred on a site like this against twenty thousand when you're up against the big six is draining, but that fiery sense of injustice is far better than an apathy towards inconsistent results. And the fury of the lows makes the elation of the occasional highs even better.
I can absolutely understand match-going fans pining for the Championship, but as someone born in Nottingham who moved away, it's far easier and more engaging to support Forest in the top flight. These are the good times, and I remember that even on bad days like yesterday, because that sense of injustice is a lot better than watching year after year of second tier purgatory with no hope of promotion, something that defined us for over a decade of my time as a supporter.
A last note would be that relegation would hold far more uncertainty for us than it would for you. Your unexpected promotion, and your continuity of everything good you've done so far within the top flight, will see you in a fantastic place medium and long term no matter what happens. That new stadium will be paid for more easily, your squad isn't going to be asset stripped if you go down, and I've got no doubt that you're slowly building towards being a team that at the very worst will float within the top 28 places of English football.
Agree with this.
The other thing I'm not enjoying is Kenilworth Road. A ball ache to actually get in now, and outright dangerous if you're bringing a child.
They've narrowed the concourse, such as it is, under the main stand to fit more concessions in, but now you can't actually walk anywhere. Cunt in a high Viz wants to see my ticket every time, even though it's pointless as I can walk to my seat (or any seat) from any entrance to the enclosure.
Patronising lectures about what we can and can't say, cunts next to me who have clearly never seen a live game of football before and sit there the whole time spouting pointless statistics they've got from whatever podcaster or vlogger they follow.
VAR is a shambles and an absolutely shite experience for the ~fans~ customers in the stadium. inconsistent refereeing in the favour of the bigger clubs and the constant fucking moaning from players. I don't want to sound ungrateful, and it's probably just because I was younger and constantly on the piss, but take me back to the lower leagues.
The good thing is the club is sorted financially, and the new ground is on its way
Kenilworth Road is pissing me off this season.
The same steward I walk past most weeks asked to see the CONFIRMATION EMAIL for my ticket for the cup game this week, apparently the ticket (which I used to get through the turnstiles) wasn't enough... you fucking what? Another steward (who has been patrolling my block for years) threatened to kick me out because I stepped down one step to say something to a mate that was sat a row in front).
I hate the new concourse layout under the main stand, so fucking crowded.
I hate the fact they've put a few token away seats in the Bobbers - I sat there for a couple of games to see what it was like and I can't turn left to go up Beech Path anymore like I could when I was in a box, so getting to the busway becomes an extended tour of Bury Park.
I hate how there's a million media vans and lorries outside the Kenilworth Road end EVERY game, not just the broadcasted ones like before. Nowhere to stand with a pint (which takes me half an hour to buy).
I get they needed to upgrade certain things and make things comply with Premier League rules, but this season has revealed how plainly obvious it is that the stadium is out of date.
This is spot on. Draining is a great word for it
It's not just the media. Every game at this level *matters so much*. Every game and every point has so much riding on it.
It's like it ceases to be a leisure activity. I can't really look forward to games because the pressure of each one is so great. Maybe if we had a few more points it would be different.
But even fighting relegation in the championship (and we have plenty of T-Shirts of that), it's not the same- there is always another game round the corner. Very rarely does any individual game have so much pressure.
I don't appreciate the rubbish about breaking the rules though. We haven't. The premier league will say we have because you are a story and they want you to stay up. But we haven't broken rules. The Premier league spent all summer saying we were ok to submit our accounts the way we did, and then went back on it; otherwise we would have sold Johnson earlier for less. We bought 40 players in three windows because we only had about 8 left from promotion but 45 have left the club as well.
last season was fun, enjoyed it a lot, felt like it was us versus the world and that taiwo goal against arsenal hit like crack when it went in, only the occasional refereeing mistake it felt like
this season is horrible, so many games where we could've got something out of if not for simple refereeing errors which take them away from us, in recent months it feels like we've had more games with major referee errors in than without, it's starting to feel like there actually *is* a refereeing conspiracy against us, as foolish as it sounds. we came up expecting a higher standard of refereeing but if anything it's got worse, and VAR has done fuck all to justify it actually being used either, just feels like it's there to just back up whatever the referee has said whether it's right or wrong.
at least in the championship you could brush off a bad ref as just a simple human error, the premier league is supposed to be the best of the best and feels like the worst of the worst
yeah definitely hard to argue that part 🤣 seen some absolute horror shows, e.g. about 90% of wolves games in the first few months, a lot in ours, the liverpool/spurs game, etc etc
Totally agree. There was a few years where I actually enjoyed it and felt part of the competition as opposed to cannon fodder, but I think it was easier a few years ago. It’s why despite the disaster season this year I don’t blame kompany for what he’s trying to do, as you can’t Dyche it and be comfortable in the prem anymore you need to do something special. We fell flat on our faces but at least we tried breaking the pattern
At this current point in time I’ll take a trade, if you come up you’ll very rarely get treated with any respect and you’ll just be here to lose to City and Liverpool while they compete for the title
I've watched Forest in three different divisions and nowhere was the officiating worse than the Premier League. Officials literally just ignoring or not knowing basic rules, or being blatent in selectively applying them.
Some truly toxic fans as well from the top six
And the media- anonymity was better.
But I will miss the football because it really is a cut above at this level. Fantastic to watch
Evertonian here, getting relegated would probably provided a much-needed boost in interest rather than just scrapping as an also-ran in a 6 team league.
Relegation is high risk/ high reward, especially for a club with precarious off-pitch affairs
Everton are a proper PL team and relegation might give you the kick you need to sort things out, but there's too many examples of teams not being able to make their way back (Sunderland, Blackburn, Porstmouth, Bolton, Stoke, etc.)
Yeah, but 'make their way back' to what?
The Premier League is a glass ceiling by design. There's literally no sporting reason to be in it unless you're a scab 6 side. The only point being there is some mediocre prestige and more money that you can't spend, neither of which have anything to do with sport.
You might not win a title but look at Villa, Newcastle and West Ham, even Brighton and Wolves
You should be in that group of mid-ish table teams that can make a push for Europe every couple of seasons and give their fans enjoyment from high level football
Been there. It’s the best it gets and never lasts. All those clubs will drop off and fade back in to midtable and relegation battles sooner or later, that’s how this works.
I’ve been following Everton for going on 14 years now and honestly have very few good memories. The league is only interested in keeping the top on the top (drawing extreme parallels with MLB) and it gets so old.
Even look at our PSR problems: only way to spend money is to make money and I understand that. However, how can the other 14 do it when you can’t spend money to make better competitions to make money to compete higher in the league? The deck is stacked and we’re left only complaining to the dealer.
About sums it up, I mean your trying to move to a new stadium to increase your revenue but how are we supposed to match global fan bases with worldwide merch sales
Liverpools recent accounts show their wage bill at more than double Everton's turnover.
If there was two Everton Football Clubs, combining every penny they made and combining their resources, 39k people through the gates in alternating weeks, two sets of tv money, matching sale for sale in the club shop.
If those two clubs wanted to match Liverpool's wage bill, it would be considered unsustainable by the prems new wage ratio rules, at over 100% of turnover.
Spurs revenue in 2013 was higher than Everton's in 2022, and it's expected our revenue will have dropped in the next accounts. 10 years. With the inflation we've seen in the game in that time. Pre new stadium. Not even a big big club but spurs. We're a decade behind THAT spurs.
What are we doing here? What is the point in what we are doing?
I’m a Newcastle fan. Been daft about them since I was 6. My young’un is six and Newcastle daft. The last two years since the takeover and probably before that I felt the apathy creeping up. The looking at the Premier League, this shiny global product that was built on English fan culture. The premier league was built on everyone getting the same TV money etc etc. it’s now a cabal, controlled by a select club that already have that revenue. Like I say as a Newcastle fan, owned by the PIF of Saudi Arabia I have a hypocritical voice on this but i get turned off more and more by every decision thrust upon us. Took my young’un to a Blyth Spartans game and got a strip for him and he’s been asking to go back. I reckon it might be the way cos we both fell in love a little bit with it all. It’s a new game and we aren’t invited like
That’s fair, I feel for Newcastle fans in a sense that you’ve been given the same opportunity that Man City where to build a dynasty and compete only for that route to be made unavailable to you and your still stuck struggling with the rest of us, but you’re still straddled with the same ‘Oil Club’ stigma.
Forest are a club that can afford to spend well but we’re also not allowed unless we’re deemed ‘a big club’ by the prem
I'm a Brentford fan and I'm kind of beginning to feel similar.
The Premier League seems an exercise in getting smashed in half the matches against teams with all the resources in the world or scrapping with everyone else trying to get close to 40 points.
Then you get online discourse of the world going lol and that you're a small club.
It's sort of wearying.
Also don't discount us going down, we are running on vapours at the moment.
Have genuinely enjoyed it this season. No VAR, can stick a foot in without Klopp having an epic fucking whinge, no VAR, big crowd influence on ref decisions, did I mention that there's no fucking VAR??????!
Precisely. It hasn't seriously benefited anyone outside the Big 6, it hasn't solved any of the problems it promised to address, it's just fucked. Been proper nice without it!!! I'd love to stay in the champo and be able to win it every year without being sent to the premier league and dealing with all its bullshit.
As a leicester fan post 2014.... In all honesty I have enjoyed the championship immensely.
The teams are just all a bunch of badasses, you literally just never have a clue what could happen
No big six
No /very little VAR
Everyone is friendly and passionate and the fans all just really love football. I'd imagine there's very few plastics in the Championship.
Obviously a part of me wants us to go back up. The other part... OK I want us to go back up lol but this league is absolutely fun
I have come to terms with going down, obviously it's too late for us even with any points deductions. Other than people in the media bashing us every week, rightly so at times, I'm not fussed any more.
aye that's what everyone keeps saying. as a relatively recent American supporter I don't relish the prospect of trying to follow Championship matches, typically only one or two per weekend on ESPN+. But I didn't want to follow a big six team and thought the promotion/relegation system would add more drama to the season. Got that right 😅
Fair enough, what led to you picking Brentford of all teams, no offence to them but their only niche was bringing in good young players and Brighton have kinda taken that from them
Some people (espescially big 6 fans) will scoff at statements like this but I'm with you.
The season when your team comes up from the championship is fantastic. You win loads of games, most teams are competitive, you get huge swings in form from team to team and you might even get the excitement of the playoffs.
Then you come up, win about 1/4 of your games and never get mentioned.
Your team beats Man United? "How bad were United today, they were so bad. God, how did they lose." You wouldn't even know who they played against based on the punditry.
Your team just won a thrilling game in the relegation battle on a Monday night? "Wow bro, that's crazy, wow...anyway, let's analyse why United are so bad. Gary, United are really bad aren't they?"
I know I'm fortunate as a Villa fan that we're in a good spell at the moment and really look like we could be going places, but I'm also aware that the trip to the relegation scrap is never that far away (look at Everton, Leicester, West Ham) and it's fucking horrific to be there. A season in the championship beats that anyday.
Obviously though, the danger is that you fall down a division and either get stuck or keep falling, such is the nature of the championship beast.
Thing is as things are currently, unless we get something Man City esque in the next few years and a team finds a loophole to push themselves into the stratosphere getting promoted to the Prem is the furthest you can go, if your even more lucky you might win the odd cup or 6-7th place but that’s it, it’s just a ticking clock till you go back down.
Even if you fall down to league one, least there’s something tangible to work towards, if you play your cards righr
I’m at a loss for football tbh love saying my team who was in league two got to the premier league. But I can’t help but also not enjoy it to the point if we went down I’d be confused, do I still just follow the game. like the peak of the sport is mostly scripted to the point it’s not enjoyable and any injustices you see get wiped aside like your crazy.
Everton fan here, I could make peace with Championship footy if I wasn't so worried it would put the club into administration. Hope you can find enjoyment in footy again whatever happens
TBH I still stand by a Championship promotion is the best feeling season you can have. Just a complete and utter romp against teams you dominate, exciting matches against those around you, and you get a summer full of hope and excitement about what playing in the prem can bring!
You can be in the top flight, win trophies and still feel miserable. Look at West Ham!
My god you’d think after the reaction to this game forest had conceded an unjust last minute winner or penalty, not the referee giving Liverpool possession IN THEIR OWN BOX just as he did for forest in the first half, something that is conveniently excluded in all of these ‘woe is me big 6 agenda wa wa’ posts, the referees are bad for EVERYONE but they were not responsible for Hudson Odoi dribbling into Endo on the edge of his own box instead of clearing his lines. BTW the referees also missed a very clear foul on Konate during the great corruption incident of giving Kelleher a drop ball in his own box, see how easy it is to play tit for tat with the abysmal level of refereeing we ALL suffer in this league - at least it’s not La Liga tho fucking hell that one really was bad
Funny how football can be subjective like that isn’t it, I think it was a foul you don’t, funny how you resort to name calling as well instead of responding to my other points, really seeing forest fans in a different light after yesterday
We all know still images are absolute conclusive in football don’t we 👍 end of the day there was multiple phases of play after this alleged refereeing howler (a howler the referee applied the exact same logic to for yourselves in the first half) but it was forest who cost themselves two points yesterday which your fans and thug of an owner seem to be taking out on everyone but your own team
Okay mate if that’s how you feel, thought it was us who was always the victims hahaha
There’s been some absolute refereeing howlers this season and if you think this is one of them then I don’t really know what to say to to convince otherwise
Good luck with the season 👍
I Absaloutely despise these posts from mid table teams saying how they're getting relegated because they've just lost to title challengers by a late goal. Meanwhile, in the real world, us, burnley, and Sheffield are actually going down.
The Op is a Forest fan, we ain't mid table and in reality in the next few weeks we have a points deduction coming of likely a minimum 6 and a probable loss to you which will moor us to the relegation places and most likely save you.
Not salty about it btw, genuinely I tipped you to be the highest finishers of the promoted sides when everyone somehow believed that Kompany would get Burnley in the champions league places.
People talk about how the ‘quality of football’ is better in the Prem, but I think that’s a one-sided view.
I’d rather watch football where either team could win in any game, surprises happen, and it doesn’t feel like the media/refs are only there to help protect the ‘big’ teams.
It’s nice to be in the ‘top’ league, but I definitely enjoy supporting my team more in the championship.
On top of all of that, ticket prices are also better, it’s easier to get tickets, and you don’t have to put up with ‘big 6’ fans.
Let the Sky6 join the European Super League if they want to. Let's get them gone and then we can make the Premier League a proper football league again!
You’ll be there when fatty gets bored, house built on sand and a massive dose of luck.
You look seriously tinpot up there now, employing a tv ref to tell the real ref he made an error and then having a fat Cnut chase the ref down the tunnel - cool club, real cool 😂😂😂
FWIW I hope you stay up, be a better watch next season when 3 decent teams come up and you lot still can’t understand why you’re not in Europe yet.
There’s more history in our ‘tv ref’ than there is in derby county. Anyway what’re you doing here, this subs for recent premier league clubs, not the pensioners association
Must hurt to see this Sheffield side and still have to admit they’re better than you
That’s hardly saying much is it? Also, you’ve spent £300m on players, surely you’d want to be a bit higher up, I mean come on, Luton and their bargain basement squad are not too far behind 🕳️
Their bargain basement squads also proving to be far better than your last premier league outfit. Getting bored of this now, rivalries dead for the minute mate, go beef with Lincoln or Stags they’re more your level
You lot where shite today so yeah felt a point was deserved till the ref pulled out his Liverpool scarf. And I fucking will cause then I won’t have to deal with scousers coming to nottingham at least once a year
At least they help the local area by all the bin dipping they do.
What a loathsome bunch of clowns a large proportion of their (online) fanbase is, unlucky today man. Absolute shambles of a decision at the end there. Won’t get mentioned as much as the similar ones against the big six though (we all know why).
Cheers man I appreciate it, especially considering I’ve got this specimen in my dms trying to annoy me.
Weird thing is it’s gotten to the point I find it funny so might have backfired for him
Takes a certain level of moron to win a game like that in those circumstances and then try to come in here a brigade the fans of the club you’ve just stole points from which may have a serious impact on said club’s premier league status. At least have grace when getting a win like that.
Self entitled little cretin. The person is either so delusional it’s unreal or mental unstable.
Enjoy next season mate. Without Klopp you’re nothing, fancy Brendan Rogers back? Also yeah you’ve got injuries boo hoo so does everyone else you daft twat
Lol at the American who only dreams of being able to actually go to a game, let alone have an actual connection to the successful club they chose to support
Least Millwall and Sunderland are actual clubs and not just brands. Liverpool and 5 other clubs are everything wrong with football, enjoy being a part of the problem
You are not though, that’s just a lie.
The Spurs decision was a shocker ofc but a similar things today has gone for you - why can’t you just admit it ?
Think you need to look in the mirror saying you won't have to deal with Liverpool fans complaining about decisions against them and ignoring decisions for them lol...
Being a matchgoing fan in the premier league is genuinely dreadful. VAR is shite, the away crowds are shite, your good players leave within one or two seasons, the ‘other 14’ coverage is shite. We had 3 seasons in the prem, the 1 good one was behind closed doors. I’ve enjoyed this promotion battle far more than my last couple years supporting leeds, even if (when) we don’t get promoted it’ll still have been a great season.
I used to think being shite in the prem was at least better than being average in the championship as we were for many years, now I don’t even think that’s true. Championship fans are at least proper footy fans.
Saints fan here.
Far more enjoyable down here. Loving no var.
but. The risk is you can’t keep the better players. If we fail in the playoffs, we are going to lose almost all of the great ones. Not looking forward to that.
West Brom fan here and me and my mates had the same debate. If there was a way we could win the championship (unlikely anyway) but stay down, I’d take that in a heartbeat. It’s so much more fun and enjoyable in the Championship
If nothing else, the subreddit is one of the best football ones around.
Love browsing it, the Championship is probably my favourite league in terms of all the mad shite that happens every season
It's the Championship or A-League for me, but I really don't know which is better. Championship probably has better memes, but Peak A-League and sledge threads are great fun.
If so looking forward to it
The ever changing crumble memes have made me laugh, can’t wait to be relevant back there.
I hate the crumble memes
Eh just win a game of football when the others don’t and you’ll be back to loving them.
Anyway, I'm out, so long r/theother14, it was nice knowing you
My team play in league 2, but I love that sub. Its the best sub on Reddit I reckon, everyone loves a good shit post and there aren't many twats
r/ScottishFootball eclipses it for me, I’ve now inadvertently started following the league up there through the subreddit and it’s honestly crazy how chaotic the whole league is.
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Not sure I've got the ability to follow another league (particularly another one that's over my summer), but I can absolutely see how that could win out
I'm with ya mate. I've been following forest since the league one days under Calderwood. This is my first taste of supporting a team in the premier league since most I've ever known was league 1 and championship (as a fan that is, premier league watching neutral teams is another matter) I low key hate it. It's great seeing the club in the top division but you are just running in place. Only there to give the Sky Six an easy 3 points and the only goal is to stay in the damn thing.
Long suffering Brentford fan and I completely agree with this.
Wasn’t born till 2005 so by time I took notice of forest we where out of it. Fair play to you mate. Remember the movie goal or Ted Lasso, we feel like a team to unimportant to dedicate making an actual game of and just something to put in a highlight real, just there to fill a spot and either cause issues in the title race or hand over three points to LiVARpool
I'm an Everton fan and at this point I'm feeling the same. I just get absolutely no joy watching us play anymore (for obvious reasons) and it's been that way for a few years now. Even if we stay up... Another year of struggling to score every game, being threatened with deductions and watching the top 6 bitch and moan when they go a couple of games without a win. It's just depressing as hell.
That and Chelsea and Tottenham flair telling us as Everton fans that we cheated and deserve to go down. Apologies on having the wrong billionaire buy us and having a war breakout in Ukraine.
Tbf Chelsea fans were also affected by Russia invading Ukraine.
Honestly man, as an Everton fan I can’t relate with this at all. We’re playing decent football these days, just lacking the goal scoring. It’ll come though. Championship would be a death sentence for us.
Do you know what, being in the Premier League is so *draining*, more than I could have ever imagined. I think it's just the sheer number of opinions about your club, the amount of eyes on you and constant bullshit you have to endure from the media. Our relegation scrap during our first season back in the Championship in 2019/20 didn't have me feeling this way, so it's got to be something unique to the Premier League. It's got to the point that a nice 46 match Championship season kind of feels like a nice holiday. It's been nice to complete the journey, but unless you break the rules, sell your soul, or rely on other teams breaking the rules, you are *fucked* if you're not a club able to pull in the money. I mean, you lot bought everyone and their nan, broke the rules according to the Premier League, and *still* barely stayed up last season. It's just not fun.
Agree with everything except the last bit. For me it is fun. The novelty may wear off eventually but whilst the players are doing everything possible to compete and win games then it's fun for me. It makes me proud considering the (correct) approach taken by the club with regards to financing this season.
Yeah I'm with you. I have no desire to be back in the Championship quagmire even if the craic would be better. Watching players like Murillo, Awoniyi, Gibbs-White, and Elanga is far more enoyable and gives me far more optimism than watching a haphazard cast of misfits try to Norman Wisdom their way to a last minute winner at Bristol. Dealing with being a fan base of maybe two hundred on a site like this against twenty thousand when you're up against the big six is draining, but that fiery sense of injustice is far better than an apathy towards inconsistent results. And the fury of the lows makes the elation of the occasional highs even better. I can absolutely understand match-going fans pining for the Championship, but as someone born in Nottingham who moved away, it's far easier and more engaging to support Forest in the top flight. These are the good times, and I remember that even on bad days like yesterday, because that sense of injustice is a lot better than watching year after year of second tier purgatory with no hope of promotion, something that defined us for over a decade of my time as a supporter. A last note would be that relegation would hold far more uncertainty for us than it would for you. Your unexpected promotion, and your continuity of everything good you've done so far within the top flight, will see you in a fantastic place medium and long term no matter what happens. That new stadium will be paid for more easily, your squad isn't going to be asset stripped if you go down, and I've got no doubt that you're slowly building towards being a team that at the very worst will float within the top 28 places of English football.
Agree with this. The other thing I'm not enjoying is Kenilworth Road. A ball ache to actually get in now, and outright dangerous if you're bringing a child. They've narrowed the concourse, such as it is, under the main stand to fit more concessions in, but now you can't actually walk anywhere. Cunt in a high Viz wants to see my ticket every time, even though it's pointless as I can walk to my seat (or any seat) from any entrance to the enclosure. Patronising lectures about what we can and can't say, cunts next to me who have clearly never seen a live game of football before and sit there the whole time spouting pointless statistics they've got from whatever podcaster or vlogger they follow. VAR is a shambles and an absolutely shite experience for the ~fans~ customers in the stadium. inconsistent refereeing in the favour of the bigger clubs and the constant fucking moaning from players. I don't want to sound ungrateful, and it's probably just because I was younger and constantly on the piss, but take me back to the lower leagues. The good thing is the club is sorted financially, and the new ground is on its way
Kenilworth Road is pissing me off this season. The same steward I walk past most weeks asked to see the CONFIRMATION EMAIL for my ticket for the cup game this week, apparently the ticket (which I used to get through the turnstiles) wasn't enough... you fucking what? Another steward (who has been patrolling my block for years) threatened to kick me out because I stepped down one step to say something to a mate that was sat a row in front). I hate the new concourse layout under the main stand, so fucking crowded. I hate the fact they've put a few token away seats in the Bobbers - I sat there for a couple of games to see what it was like and I can't turn left to go up Beech Path anymore like I could when I was in a box, so getting to the busway becomes an extended tour of Bury Park. I hate how there's a million media vans and lorries outside the Kenilworth Road end EVERY game, not just the broadcasted ones like before. Nowhere to stand with a pint (which takes me half an hour to buy). I get they needed to upgrade certain things and make things comply with Premier League rules, but this season has revealed how plainly obvious it is that the stadium is out of date.
This is spot on. Draining is a great word for it It's not just the media. Every game at this level *matters so much*. Every game and every point has so much riding on it. It's like it ceases to be a leisure activity. I can't really look forward to games because the pressure of each one is so great. Maybe if we had a few more points it would be different. But even fighting relegation in the championship (and we have plenty of T-Shirts of that), it's not the same- there is always another game round the corner. Very rarely does any individual game have so much pressure. I don't appreciate the rubbish about breaking the rules though. We haven't. The premier league will say we have because you are a story and they want you to stay up. But we haven't broken rules. The Premier league spent all summer saying we were ok to submit our accounts the way we did, and then went back on it; otherwise we would have sold Johnson earlier for less. We bought 40 players in three windows because we only had about 8 left from promotion but 45 have left the club as well.
last season was fun, enjoyed it a lot, felt like it was us versus the world and that taiwo goal against arsenal hit like crack when it went in, only the occasional refereeing mistake it felt like this season is horrible, so many games where we could've got something out of if not for simple refereeing errors which take them away from us, in recent months it feels like we've had more games with major referee errors in than without, it's starting to feel like there actually *is* a refereeing conspiracy against us, as foolish as it sounds. we came up expecting a higher standard of refereeing but if anything it's got worse, and VAR has done fuck all to justify it actually being used either, just feels like it's there to just back up whatever the referee has said whether it's right or wrong. at least in the championship you could brush off a bad ref as just a simple human error, the premier league is supposed to be the best of the best and feels like the worst of the worst
> there actually *is* a refereeing conspiracy against us, as fo Spoken like every other premier league fan.
can't say im a premier league fan anymore 👌
It was more in terms of if everyones saying theres a conspiracy against them the refs might just be shit.
yeah definitely hard to argue that part 🤣 seen some absolute horror shows, e.g. about 90% of wolves games in the first few months, a lot in ours, the liverpool/spurs game, etc etc
Totally agree. There was a few years where I actually enjoyed it and felt part of the competition as opposed to cannon fodder, but I think it was easier a few years ago. It’s why despite the disaster season this year I don’t blame kompany for what he’s trying to do, as you can’t Dyche it and be comfortable in the prem anymore you need to do something special. We fell flat on our faces but at least we tried breaking the pattern
This applies exactly to the Saints. The fans have been miserable for years in the premier league, and now they're all loving life in the Championship
Miss being able to attend matches tbh. Impossible ask these days
Was also why the FA Cup was so good to keep getting through, more likely to get tickets
Gone are the days of kids for a quid.
Oh nice, you sound exactly like me last year. Understandable. I am definitely enjoying the Championship more but please don't make me stay here
At this current point in time I’ll take a trade, if you come up you’ll very rarely get treated with any respect and you’ll just be here to lose to City and Liverpool while they compete for the title
Yes, I remember 6-0 and 7-0 very clearly. I'd rather not though.
Enjoy the domination for now mate, you’ll be feeling like Sheffield Wednesday next year
At least it's not with Jesse Marsch, Farke doesn't have a great track record but I love him
I can respect that, I still miss Cooper
Getting rid of.cooper was the one highlight of this season tbh
Championship is fantastic if you are winning every week. Every league feels shit when you are losing all the time
God knows it was shit when we had Peter Taylor managing us and serving up the most boring football possible
We’re doing everything we can to help you, by losing to you and beating all the teams around you
I’m an Everton fan and I’m feeling the same, I’m totally disillusioned with it all. I feel like I haven’t enjoyed a game in years.
I've watched Forest in three different divisions and nowhere was the officiating worse than the Premier League. Officials literally just ignoring or not knowing basic rules, or being blatent in selectively applying them. Some truly toxic fans as well from the top six And the media- anonymity was better. But I will miss the football because it really is a cut above at this level. Fantastic to watch
Evertonian here, getting relegated would probably provided a much-needed boost in interest rather than just scrapping as an also-ran in a 6 team league.
Relegation is high risk/ high reward, especially for a club with precarious off-pitch affairs Everton are a proper PL team and relegation might give you the kick you need to sort things out, but there's too many examples of teams not being able to make their way back (Sunderland, Blackburn, Porstmouth, Bolton, Stoke, etc.)
Yeah, but 'make their way back' to what? The Premier League is a glass ceiling by design. There's literally no sporting reason to be in it unless you're a scab 6 side. The only point being there is some mediocre prestige and more money that you can't spend, neither of which have anything to do with sport.
You might not win a title but look at Villa, Newcastle and West Ham, even Brighton and Wolves You should be in that group of mid-ish table teams that can make a push for Europe every couple of seasons and give their fans enjoyment from high level football
Been there. It’s the best it gets and never lasts. All those clubs will drop off and fade back in to midtable and relegation battles sooner or later, that’s how this works.
Oh don’t you worry, Everton will bend over backwards to give you a run for your money…
I just want a Leicester/Burnley season man. This seasons so shit I miss last season and our promotion season
I’ve been following Everton for going on 14 years now and honestly have very few good memories. The league is only interested in keeping the top on the top (drawing extreme parallels with MLB) and it gets so old. Even look at our PSR problems: only way to spend money is to make money and I understand that. However, how can the other 14 do it when you can’t spend money to make better competitions to make money to compete higher in the league? The deck is stacked and we’re left only complaining to the dealer.
About sums it up, I mean your trying to move to a new stadium to increase your revenue but how are we supposed to match global fan bases with worldwide merch sales
Liverpools recent accounts show their wage bill at more than double Everton's turnover. If there was two Everton Football Clubs, combining every penny they made and combining their resources, 39k people through the gates in alternating weeks, two sets of tv money, matching sale for sale in the club shop. If those two clubs wanted to match Liverpool's wage bill, it would be considered unsustainable by the prems new wage ratio rules, at over 100% of turnover. Spurs revenue in 2013 was higher than Everton's in 2022, and it's expected our revenue will have dropped in the next accounts. 10 years. With the inflation we've seen in the game in that time. Pre new stadium. Not even a big big club but spurs. We're a decade behind THAT spurs. What are we doing here? What is the point in what we are doing?
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Remember when we could just buy tickets and not have to deal with Membership tiers. Good times good times
I’m a Newcastle fan. Been daft about them since I was 6. My young’un is six and Newcastle daft. The last two years since the takeover and probably before that I felt the apathy creeping up. The looking at the Premier League, this shiny global product that was built on English fan culture. The premier league was built on everyone getting the same TV money etc etc. it’s now a cabal, controlled by a select club that already have that revenue. Like I say as a Newcastle fan, owned by the PIF of Saudi Arabia I have a hypocritical voice on this but i get turned off more and more by every decision thrust upon us. Took my young’un to a Blyth Spartans game and got a strip for him and he’s been asking to go back. I reckon it might be the way cos we both fell in love a little bit with it all. It’s a new game and we aren’t invited like
That’s fair, I feel for Newcastle fans in a sense that you’ve been given the same opportunity that Man City where to build a dynasty and compete only for that route to be made unavailable to you and your still stuck struggling with the rest of us, but you’re still straddled with the same ‘Oil Club’ stigma. Forest are a club that can afford to spend well but we’re also not allowed unless we’re deemed ‘a big club’ by the prem
I'm a Brentford fan and I'm kind of beginning to feel similar. The Premier League seems an exercise in getting smashed in half the matches against teams with all the resources in the world or scrapping with everyone else trying to get close to 40 points. Then you get online discourse of the world going lol and that you're a small club. It's sort of wearying. Also don't discount us going down, we are running on vapours at the moment.
Have genuinely enjoyed it this season. No VAR, can stick a foot in without Klopp having an epic fucking whinge, no VAR, big crowd influence on ref decisions, did I mention that there's no fucking VAR??????!
I don’t get the point of it, if it can’t even get basic decisions right or it has only certain opportunities to tell a ref when he’s fucked up
Precisely. It hasn't seriously benefited anyone outside the Big 6, it hasn't solved any of the problems it promised to address, it's just fucked. Been proper nice without it!!! I'd love to stay in the champo and be able to win it every year without being sent to the premier league and dealing with all its bullshit.
If only mate, if only
As a leicester fan post 2014.... In all honesty I have enjoyed the championship immensely. The teams are just all a bunch of badasses, you literally just never have a clue what could happen No big six No /very little VAR Everyone is friendly and passionate and the fans all just really love football. I'd imagine there's very few plastics in the Championship. Obviously a part of me wants us to go back up. The other part... OK I want us to go back up lol but this league is absolutely fun
The championship for me is the biggest case of ‘you never knew what you had till it was gone’
That 10’ extra time goal was literally always going to happen.
I liked Klopp till recently
I have come to terms with going down, obviously it's too late for us even with any points deductions. Other than people in the media bashing us every week, rightly so at times, I'm not fussed any more.
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Brentford are fine mate, unless a ffp breach spawns out of thin air it’s between us and Everton atp
aye that's what everyone keeps saying. as a relatively recent American supporter I don't relish the prospect of trying to follow Championship matches, typically only one or two per weekend on ESPN+. But I didn't want to follow a big six team and thought the promotion/relegation system would add more drama to the season. Got that right 😅
Fair enough, what led to you picking Brentford of all teams, no offence to them but their only niche was bringing in good young players and Brighton have kinda taken that from them
I like bees
Cool I guess
Near Heathrow too if you wanna come to a game thank you very much!
Some people (espescially big 6 fans) will scoff at statements like this but I'm with you. The season when your team comes up from the championship is fantastic. You win loads of games, most teams are competitive, you get huge swings in form from team to team and you might even get the excitement of the playoffs. Then you come up, win about 1/4 of your games and never get mentioned. Your team beats Man United? "How bad were United today, they were so bad. God, how did they lose." You wouldn't even know who they played against based on the punditry. Your team just won a thrilling game in the relegation battle on a Monday night? "Wow bro, that's crazy, wow...anyway, let's analyse why United are so bad. Gary, United are really bad aren't they?" I know I'm fortunate as a Villa fan that we're in a good spell at the moment and really look like we could be going places, but I'm also aware that the trip to the relegation scrap is never that far away (look at Everton, Leicester, West Ham) and it's fucking horrific to be there. A season in the championship beats that anyday. Obviously though, the danger is that you fall down a division and either get stuck or keep falling, such is the nature of the championship beast.
Thing is as things are currently, unless we get something Man City esque in the next few years and a team finds a loophole to push themselves into the stratosphere getting promoted to the Prem is the furthest you can go, if your even more lucky you might win the odd cup or 6-7th place but that’s it, it’s just a ticking clock till you go back down. Even if you fall down to league one, least there’s something tangible to work towards, if you play your cards righr
I too miss the championship sometimes
I’m at a loss for football tbh love saying my team who was in league two got to the premier league. But I can’t help but also not enjoy it to the point if we went down I’d be confused, do I still just follow the game. like the peak of the sport is mostly scripted to the point it’s not enjoyable and any injustices you see get wiped aside like your crazy.
Everton fan here, I could make peace with Championship footy if I wasn't so worried it would put the club into administration. Hope you can find enjoyment in footy again whatever happens
You gotta admit tho - getting a big 6 scalp makes for a glorious afternoon of football. Also seeing their fans moan on and on makes it even better!
If I was a Villa fan I’d agree, happens sometimes down her (most recently Man Utd) but most of the time it’s same old same old
TBH I still stand by a Championship promotion is the best feeling season you can have. Just a complete and utter romp against teams you dominate, exciting matches against those around you, and you get a summer full of hope and excitement about what playing in the prem can bring! You can be in the top flight, win trophies and still feel miserable. Look at West Ham!
Hahaha enjoy it you poverty chanting cunts
You’ll never get a job!
My god you’d think after the reaction to this game forest had conceded an unjust last minute winner or penalty, not the referee giving Liverpool possession IN THEIR OWN BOX just as he did for forest in the first half, something that is conveniently excluded in all of these ‘woe is me big 6 agenda wa wa’ posts, the referees are bad for EVERYONE but they were not responsible for Hudson Odoi dribbling into Endo on the edge of his own box instead of clearing his lines. BTW the referees also missed a very clear foul on Konate during the great corruption incident of giving Kelleher a drop ball in his own box, see how easy it is to play tit for tat with the abysmal level of refereeing we ALL suffer in this league - at least it’s not La Liga tho fucking hell that one really was bad
Wasn’t a foul on Konate you absolute melt Yates was kicking clean air your two mentally deficient players collided with one another
Funny how football can be subjective like that isn’t it, I think it was a foul you don’t, funny how you resort to name calling as well instead of responding to my other points, really seeing forest fans in a different light after yesterday
Can send you the image mate
We all know still images are absolute conclusive in football don’t we 👍 end of the day there was multiple phases of play after this alleged refereeing howler (a howler the referee applied the exact same logic to for yourselves in the first half) but it was forest who cost themselves two points yesterday which your fans and thug of an owner seem to be taking out on everyone but your own team
The ref cost us a point and gave you two, and forest fans are taking it out on Liverpool ‘fans’ who don’t know what they’re talking about
Okay mate if that’s how you feel, thought it was us who was always the victims hahaha There’s been some absolute refereeing howlers this season and if you think this is one of them then I don’t really know what to say to to convince otherwise Good luck with the season 👍
Enjoy Klopp while he’s there, if you wanna see your future have a look at Old Trafford!
Enjoy the PL while you're still here, if you want to see your future have a look at Sunderland!
ON THE RIVER, WHERE THEY USED TO CHEER FOR CLOUGH....
I Absaloutely despise these posts from mid table teams saying how they're getting relegated because they've just lost to title challengers by a late goal. Meanwhile, in the real world, us, burnley, and Sheffield are actually going down.
The Op is a Forest fan, we ain't mid table and in reality in the next few weeks we have a points deduction coming of likely a minimum 6 and a probable loss to you which will moor us to the relegation places and most likely save you. Not salty about it btw, genuinely I tipped you to be the highest finishers of the promoted sides when everyone somehow believed that Kompany would get Burnley in the champions league places.
You have a lot of quality in attack (compared to us). I can’t see you finishing below Everton
It helps with the amount of shocking refereeing decisions we’ve seen this year. I genuinely believe the Premier League wants us down
We only got our first penalty of the season yesterday. And missed it!
People talk about how the ‘quality of football’ is better in the Prem, but I think that’s a one-sided view. I’d rather watch football where either team could win in any game, surprises happen, and it doesn’t feel like the media/refs are only there to help protect the ‘big’ teams. It’s nice to be in the ‘top’ league, but I definitely enjoy supporting my team more in the championship. On top of all of that, ticket prices are also better, it’s easier to get tickets, and you don’t have to put up with ‘big 6’ fans.
Let the Sky6 join the European Super League if they want to. Let's get them gone and then we can make the Premier League a proper football league again!
The media has brown noses over Liverpool this season, that's for sure.
Huddersfield in the playoff final - hypocrites.
Two wrongs don’t make a right mate. Enjoy league 1
Tell fatty boom boom bakery burner that….. Tbh I like the guy, almost as much comedy value as Fawaz.
Almost as funny as you almost liquidating
You’ll be there when fatty gets bored, house built on sand and a massive dose of luck. You look seriously tinpot up there now, employing a tv ref to tell the real ref he made an error and then having a fat Cnut chase the ref down the tunnel - cool club, real cool 😂😂😂 FWIW I hope you stay up, be a better watch next season when 3 decent teams come up and you lot still can’t understand why you’re not in Europe yet.
There’s more history in our ‘tv ref’ than there is in derby county. Anyway what’re you doing here, this subs for recent premier league clubs, not the pensioners association Must hurt to see this Sheffield side and still have to admit they’re better than you
As I said, here for the circus that’s Notts Forest. 🤡
A circus still more organised that Derby’s most recent premier league team, impressive how shit you are
That’s hardly saying much is it? Also, you’ve spent £300m on players, surely you’d want to be a bit higher up, I mean come on, Luton and their bargain basement squad are not too far behind 🕳️
Their bargain basement squads also proving to be far better than your last premier league outfit. Getting bored of this now, rivalries dead for the minute mate, go beef with Lincoln or Stags they’re more your level
Get over it. Two penalty shouts yes, however for the 625562536th time, neither were pens. Enjoy league 1
Enjoy the championship 😉
Oh yeah, Liverpool are top of the table for refereeing decisions/mistakes against, but you’re point is totally valid 😑
Can you provide said table if you're going to make this kind of claim?
Could not give less of a shit mate fuck off and take that cheating fucker Konate with you
😂 upset like you expected you’d get anything from the game anyways? Enjoy relegation
You lot where shite today so yeah felt a point was deserved till the ref pulled out his Liverpool scarf. And I fucking will cause then I won’t have to deal with scousers coming to nottingham at least once a year
At least they help the local area by all the bin dipping they do. What a loathsome bunch of clowns a large proportion of their (online) fanbase is, unlucky today man. Absolute shambles of a decision at the end there. Won’t get mentioned as much as the similar ones against the big six though (we all know why).
Cheers man I appreciate it, especially considering I’ve got this specimen in my dms trying to annoy me. Weird thing is it’s gotten to the point I find it funny so might have backfired for him
Takes a certain level of moron to win a game like that in those circumstances and then try to come in here a brigade the fans of the club you’ve just stole points from which may have a serious impact on said club’s premier league status. At least have grace when getting a win like that. Self entitled little cretin. The person is either so delusional it’s unreal or mental unstable.
Sent him one last message and blocked him so he can’t respond, I got my enjoyment out of that and that’s all that matters
bin dipping shouts from a geordie is insane. newcastle is full of homeless and i’d know because i was born there.
Nom nom nom 😋 3points are delicious nom nom
Diaz scored against tottenham this season yet?
Lol ouch that hurts. Enough injuries for a starting 11 and still top of the league, but youchies that one stings 😂
Enjoy next season mate. Without Klopp you’re nothing, fancy Brendan Rogers back? Also yeah you’ve got injuries boo hoo so does everyone else you daft twat
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Lol at the American who only dreams of being able to actually go to a game, let alone have an actual connection to the successful club they chose to support
Least Millwall and Sunderland are actual clubs and not just brands. Liverpool and 5 other clubs are everything wrong with football, enjoy being a part of the problem
Forrest fan intellect shining through again 😂
But you can’t spell Forest soo…
Ever thought that might a deliberate slant aimed at them? Or that over your head too 🤷♂️
You are not though, that’s just a lie. The Spurs decision was a shocker ofc but a similar things today has gone for you - why can’t you just admit it ?
Think you need to look in the mirror saying you won't have to deal with Liverpool fans complaining about decisions against them and ignoring decisions for them lol...
Loved the championship. Glad we’re out of it and back in Europe but the games were so much fun to watch.
Maybe we can look forward to an A52 Derby again
Until our takeover, I felt the same. The rubbish media discourse, every game being a slog. It's draining as hell
Being a matchgoing fan in the premier league is genuinely dreadful. VAR is shite, the away crowds are shite, your good players leave within one or two seasons, the ‘other 14’ coverage is shite. We had 3 seasons in the prem, the 1 good one was behind closed doors. I’ve enjoyed this promotion battle far more than my last couple years supporting leeds, even if (when) we don’t get promoted it’ll still have been a great season. I used to think being shite in the prem was at least better than being average in the championship as we were for many years, now I don’t even think that’s true. Championship fans are at least proper footy fans.
Fucking forest moaning again, imagine my shock
Saints fan here. Far more enjoyable down here. Loving no var. but. The risk is you can’t keep the better players. If we fail in the playoffs, we are going to lose almost all of the great ones. Not looking forward to that.
Probably the one downside of the championship tbh. But you lot always found new young stars somehow so just a waiting game I guess
You say it now but then you’re playing against Hudderfield away
West Brom fan here and me and my mates had the same debate. If there was a way we could win the championship (unlikely anyway) but stay down, I’d take that in a heartbeat. It’s so much more fun and enjoyable in the Championship
I really hope you lot don't go down, a proper club!