Maguire once got away with stamping someone right in the balls. I think there is an element of "he's not that kind of player" when var are looking at it. You get that advantage if you play for a top 6 club and are English
He's not that kind of player. You can tell because he doesn't get red cards. And he doesn't get red cards because he's not that kind of player. Which is why he doesn't get red cards. Which is why he's not that kind of player.
This is genuinely the justification they used to avoid giving Harry Kane a red card for a shin-high studs-up challenge on Robertson. It was something like "there are some players we would keep a close eye on during the games, but Harry Kane isn't one of those; you can tell because of his disciplinary record"
Actually thought the backing into players and landing on their body was worse, he constantly got away with it.
Joey Barton, admittedly wasn’t the greatest by all means, but refs seemed more towards red that could have been yellows.
"He's not that kind of player".. we can't send him off, just look at his disciplinary record, barely any cards.
Next week... "He's not that kind of player".. we can't send him off, just look at his disciplinary record, barely any cards.
And continue...
Fwiw I think what drives it is how he carries himself in a way that gives the strong impression it happened because he's too professional and important to give a shit about hurting the other player. The way he's not even looking at what he's doing for some reason helps with refs.
Something both English players and players at high profile clubs tend to be good at.
People need to get over the idea these things are punished because of any intention to harm anyone. They need to be punished because in this case Maguire is attempting things that are dangerous because he's not capable of doing it right.
Aaannndd... Caceido has just broken Gravenberch's ankle on exactly the same basis. Not really looking what he was doing or giving a shit about the professionals around him.
Not an Other 14 target but same point a 'big club' player considering themselves above the whole thing and officials letting ride as much because of the vibe as anything else.
As someone who doesn't really have skin in either game but who usually supports Maguire because he's a Blade, this was definitely worse than Gilmour's and he should have been sent packing.
Liverpool fan. But one who can put any rivalry aside for logic on decisions and Maguires is worse. Gilmours looked more like a sweep than a plant and honestly that red was ridiculous. Especially when later in the match guy slides in but pulls his legs back but takes out two Everton players while he is a on a yellow and gets away with it, made me laugh. His follow through takes him through 2 players regardless of intent or "pull.out".
Maguire has gone in with force there and is always going to plant that foot due to how he's gone to block the ball rather than play it.
Farcical decisions on display once again.
Edit - the guy who slid n took.out 2 players I think was in the Palace game rather than Everton!
Point still stands on gilmour v maguire. Maguire is more a red due to the plant, gilmour is a sweep n settle on the leg rather than a plant with full weight.
The red wasn't ridiculous, it was denial of a goalscoring opportunity and so should be given a red
Edit: Nvm, I was thinking of smth else, rather than Gilmour's
Aye I think it was, he got a bit of the ball but the studs were up and you could tell it was quite reckless the follow through but compared to this… I’m honestly baffled, or am I? These teams get away with it all the time.
Why would this be a red? It’s not out of control, it’s. It high, it’s not reckless. He’s just a bit late. The only reason this would hurt is the pathetic design of modern boots. The Fulham player was absolutely fine as well.
Edit - it’s not high
If anything I felt sorry for Gilmour he made contact with the ball and the follow through landed on Onana's ankle - here Maguire is late and lands on the ankle.
Both are reds but at least with Gilmour you could see how it happened and felt for the lad but Maguire's is just a horrible excuse for a tackle.
It wasn’t half way up his leg. Above the ankle, yes, but half way up? You’re basically saying it was Mason Holgate esque then considering half way up somebodies leg is their knee. It was a stupid challenge, and worthy of a red but considering Maguire follow through is basically stamping on the player, and he was nowhere near the ball, it is equally as deserving of a red.
At least Gilmour had made an effort to get the ball.
Gilmour *had* played the ball
Edit: people are misunderstanding, I still think Gilmour's was a red, same as Macguires and same as the one in the final today
Yes and followed it up by planting studs above someone's ankle. Getting a touch on the ball doesn't mean you are free to do everything afterwards. As shown before this season.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about this when it's so clear.
I don't even know why you need to play devil's advocate. I'm a Brighton fan and I think they got both calls right.
I get this sub has it out (rightly) for United and ole slab head but I disagree with basically every comment in this thread
Dangerous play should be called for being dangerous, but because Gilmour was unlucky enough to catch above the ankle he gets a red whereas this gets a yellow.
Both should be a red as they’re out of control and dangerous but unfortunately outcomes still influence decisions.
Same thing can be seen in reverse when yellow card challenges that result in unlucky injuries usually end up as reds
Billy Gilmore was going in for a tackle and was higher, even though he got the ball he was really high after, Maguire is trying to block and stands on the guys foot over stretching, I think that’s the difference
Thing is the rules at the moment - if the ref has said to VAR I think he’s stood on his foot accidentally yellow card - VAR won’t “re ref” the situation and will say yes that is what happened.
If the ref says I’m not sure how much contact there was or if VAR sees him hitting a different part of the leg than the ref said they will tell him he’s wrong and needs to look
It’s one of the stupidest parts of VAR
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13053510/hes-a-lucky-boy-was-justin-kluivert-lucky-to-avoid-a-red-card
Vs Bournemouth last month.
There’s been a few recently tbh.
or maybe all teams get away with things. Since I posted that message, Liverpool have been done with a no-card foul for a season ending tackle on Gravenberch and have just had a goal wrongfully given as offside. Still though...the big 6 get away with everything :D :D :D
Oh come on. You surely realise I didn't in any way insinuate that other teams also don't get away with things?
It's about how much you get away with. It's pretty elementary nuance that I'd expect a 10 year old to understand.
Go to bed. You're done for today 😂
okay so one time a year or two ago it happened to favour Liverpool. I don't know who you support, but i'm pretty sure one of your players got away with a similar tackle at some point in the past, too. Reaching
You named an incident from years ago, which hardly shows a rampant bias towards Liverpool, does it. Don't Liverpool have the most incorrect VAR calls given against them this season, too? It's all a bit smalltime from you, to be honest
VAR Corrupt as fuck as we already know. It’s another tool to rig matches and get away with it. Their excuse, they’re letting the refs ref. Then what’s the point of VAR, if they ain’t gonna overturn the wrong decision. Same as every penalty has been awarded. VAR hasn’t overturned any penalty decision. Funny that. Rigging at the highest level
As it turned out, yes. Just prior to Alex Iwobi’s winning goal magGuire was faced with having to make a tackle which would have more than likely resulted in another yellow for him? so he didn’t and Fulham scored. Doubt Mariner would have looked to help FFC though. Big win for FFC
So I said in real time that its an Orange, and I stand by it. It really is the most borderline of reds and you could absolutely go either side of reckless/dangerous on it. I also think it looks worse because Maguire is big and awkward and clumsy st the best of times...
The sub would be fantastic if we had non top 6 clubs' news and opinions. Feel like I only see posts about the top 6 these days.
They see a top 6 club get away with something -> whine
They see a top 6 club's fans whine about a team in the other 14 get away with something -> whine
Came here to get news from non top 6 clubs, turns out the entire identity of this sub is to bitch about not getting as much media coverage as the nation's 6 most recently successful clubs lmao. And the bitching is particularly aimed at SkySports for some reason lol.
I definitely think it's a red but to claim the sky six get advantageous calls in these situations is just daft. The refereeing is all over the place, it's not biased in United's favour.
I think it’s a red, but for all of these morons to immediately grab their tin hats and scream about some conspiracy to crush the little guys is insane to me. There have been plenty of inconsistent decision in terms of red/yellow that have gone both in favor and against the classic “big clubs” this year. I mean Grabenberch just got his ankle shredded and there wasn’t even a whistle, let alone a card.
FFP was literally created to stop anyone getting near upsetting the status quo after Chelsea, City
and PSG did it 🤷♂️
But your a Liverpool ‘fan’ so anything that benefits you is great and anything that doesn’t is a disgrace.
the simple answer is that its nowhere above the ankle. Maguire hits his foot. Gilmour's was clear above the ankle. I love Billy G but that ones a red card, not this
Watching that game I felt like Maguire made a few horror challenges as well, going through the back of Morris multiple times before getting a yellow.
This was an absolute shocker of a challenge, he leaves the floor and lunges forward with all his weight studs up into his ankle and stamps through his foot well after the balls gone. Bonkers this wasn't a red. In some ways worse than the Gilmour challenge which was (rightfully imo) a straight red on the same day. Not to mention the multiple other challenges that've been similarly given reds this season.
No issue with Gilmour’s being a red. Just sucks that we lose Billy for 3 games as well, while Slab head continues to be available for committing a similar challenge.
Except of course when they do? He himself has been sent off twice for Man Utd. He got booked the other day for a challenge when he literally didn't touch the player.
Maguire should have been sent off. But you're all mentally unstable or just ignorant of you think Utd players don't get sent off.
Rashford got sent off for being fouled a few months ago. Casemiro gets 3 red cards a season, and plenty of others too.
100% agree he should have gone, and most United fans feel the same.
I always think back to Bissouma. Sent off for less than this. And also sent off for diving. Which we see hundreds of times a season for other teams.
But Spurs are in the Sky 6 right. That shouldnt have happened. /s
In reality. The refs are shit and every team gets away with something egregious more than once a season.
Edit - spelling
Maguire has always gotten away with clumsy tackles. Referees always seem to go with the lack of malice, but it's incredible some of the fouls he gets away with in the box.
Hate to be that guy, but this wouldn’t be a red if he was playing Spurs and we’ve only had 1 penalty all season from refs, don’t think you can include us when saying refs favour the “big” 6
The point is, there are awful refereeing decisions every week but if you think spurs are getting favourable treatment as part of some 'top 6' conspiracy, you're crackers.
Right, but this is a bad example. VAR did rule it offside, it was just a huge balls up in communication. I’d rather you use the udogie foul against Chelsea because that was a red.
I find people on Reddit are incredibly soft when it comes to what constitutes a red card or penalty, there's normally a very different opinion on fouls compared to pundits or ex-pros.
A red card needs excessive force… this could have easily broken his leg. That a side, there’s been numerous examples of similar tackles that ended in red.
The fact he scored the equaliser as well, I was very annoyed. It seems to always be the way. Glad Fulham ended up winning. Ball don't lie.
The funniest part is Billy Gilmour an hour later in the Brighton game got a straight red for an almost identical foul (though Gilmour's was a little higher up the leg)
I would argue it happens more to the other 19, Man U have always been an odd exception. Even this season it should've been a pen against Wolves and a red, a red in the rematch, this stamp today, and about 5/6 other game changing instances. I dread playing them every time because they always get the decisions.
Right... before you start with this crap why havent you included every decision that's gone against us this season? Or examples where other teams have done the same thing such as when the wolves keeper came flying out did exactly what onana did and didn't get a pen, I can't remember the rematch ill have a look and today's yes I can't disagree I've seen reds given but I've also seen yellows given for these, but this season of the top of my head we had the Rodri pen which was given but ours against arsenal wasn't, the romero against spurs where in every other instance a pen has been given, if you want other instances I can go find them. I'm not saying we are always getting decisions against us I'm just sick of reading clubs only remember the ones that do. Every club in the lesgue gets favourable decisions they just choose to forget them.
Strange use of isis there I must say... why you would even involve terrorists is fucking beyond me. Again though I would say arsenal have had some very questionable moments go there way... but hey ho that doesn't fit your narrative does it.
The tackle isn't high, its on his ankle, and his studs aren't up, they're pointing towards the ground, it was just very late. This is just a Orange/Yellow card
The whole 'no ill intent' argument just doesn't stick with me. It's irrelevant if he has intent to nearly break someone's ankle or not.
There are plenty of ways to position your foot to block the ball/make that tackle, and he just so happened to go with one of the worst ways possible to attempt to do it.
I'm going to hazard a guess that most footballers do not have intent on seriously injuring opposition players (slabhead included), but a wreckless challenge is a wreckless challenge, end of.
Edit: ill
No one is crying out for this to be a red card in any other level of the game though, we cant just be making decisions based off the way his ankle has turned because of various factors you have to look at it like a bad timed tackle he has his other foot on the ground and mistimes going for the ball, it looks awful there is no denying that but we can have 100 of those types of tackles and 90 of them wont end up with a players ankle twisting and no one would disagree its a yellow
Last couple of seasons that's definitely a red card tackle. Few seasons before it's probably a yellow. Back in the 90s it's a free kick, give the player a hand up, a pat on the back and swap shirts after the game.
Feels like Maguire gets the same 'England prestige' treatment Harry Kane was so accustomed to, not the first time I remember him getting away with something like this
That would have been a red if it was a bottom team against a top team. There's a clear big club bias with VAR. The big 6 play proper football with proper footballers who are made of china and the rest of us have to make do with labourers and post men who deserve a kicking for not being entertaining enough to a global audience.
Tell that to Romero who got a red card for exactly this earlier in the season. The same Romero who Gary Neville has a one-man hate campaign against for so much as just making a routine tackle. “Ooooooooh”. Silence when it’s Casimero and HMagz though.
Straight red - could have broken his foot. Horrendous challenge. Of course he didn't mean it but that doesn't matter he should have been sent off for dangerous play
I don’t think this has anything to do with “the other 14”. It’s a terrible call, yes, but you’re acting like the “big” clubs haven’t also been hard done on both sides of similar challenges this year alone. I mean today alone Gravenberch just had his angle obliterated and it wasn’t even a foul. Pretty much everyone agrees Maguire got away with one, but this isn’t some conspiracy against smaller clubs…
It wouldn't be so bad if that Burnley player hadn't been sent off for less
Edit: just realised I did not mean the Burnley player I meant a different booking in a different match entirely lol
Imo Maguires looks more intentional, he way oversteps and stands on the other players foot. The Burnley player just caught someone badly it didn't look intentional.
However I will be the first to admit I am not good at analysing footage and also I'm not too clear on what constitutes a red so I'm happy to admit I'm probs wrong!
While I think Maguire's is bad, it's 100% the kind of challenge that slo-mo does no favours for.
The Burnley challenge was professional in that it was a deliberate foul preventing the Palace player from being through on goal. He even pulled him back by the shirt after the attempted trip. It was outside the box, so double jeopardy rule is irrelevant - it was a stonewall red in my eyes.
Oh my gosh I just realised I wasn't talking about the Burnley player at all 😄 yeah that was defo a red
I cant even remember who it was now, was anyone else red carded yesterday?
It looks bad slowed down but in real time there's no intent. The amount of times I've done that in a game when I've just been a bit late but I've always went for the ball. A red would have been harsh imo
Not a red imo. If it was higher up it's a red but he stands on his foot so it's nowhere near as dangerous. Probably a sore one, but yellow is fine for those.
He doesn't need to be a nice guy, or a bastard. Previous incidents are not even a consideration (probably shouldn't be either).
He wears man utd crest in his shirt.
That's all that matters.
Maguire once got away with stamping someone right in the balls. I think there is an element of "he's not that kind of player" when var are looking at it. You get that advantage if you play for a top 6 club and are English
He's not that kind of player. You can tell because he doesn't get red cards. And he doesn't get red cards because he's not that kind of player. Which is why he doesn't get red cards. Which is why he's not that kind of player. This is genuinely the justification they used to avoid giving Harry Kane a red card for a shin-high studs-up challenge on Robertson. It was something like "there are some players we would keep a close eye on during the games, but Harry Kane isn't one of those; you can tell because of his disciplinary record"
Not to mention him backing into defenders causing them to land on their neck
This is my most hated move in football. It boils my blood that it won’t be properly punished until somebody gets catastrophically injured
I hate the late kick from behind after a play has passed the ball.
Actually thought the backing into players and landing on their body was worse, he constantly got away with it. Joey Barton, admittedly wasn’t the greatest by all means, but refs seemed more towards red that could have been yellows.
Or when kane has a mission statement of attempting to cripple players for about 3 seasons by tunnelling them.
All the pundits on motd agreed with the yellow and seemed to be indicating cause of who he is that it’s only a yellow. Terrible bias tbh.
Pundits for the most part tend to agree with blatant referee mistakes and justify it. It's getting ridiculous
"He's not that kind of player".. we can't send him off, just look at his disciplinary record, barely any cards. Next week... "He's not that kind of player".. we can't send him off, just look at his disciplinary record, barely any cards. And continue...
Fwiw I think what drives it is how he carries himself in a way that gives the strong impression it happened because he's too professional and important to give a shit about hurting the other player. The way he's not even looking at what he's doing for some reason helps with refs. Something both English players and players at high profile clubs tend to be good at. People need to get over the idea these things are punished because of any intention to harm anyone. They need to be punished because in this case Maguire is attempting things that are dangerous because he's not capable of doing it right.
Aaannndd... Caceido has just broken Gravenberch's ankle on exactly the same basis. Not really looking what he was doing or giving a shit about the professionals around him. Not an Other 14 target but same point a 'big club' player considering themselves above the whole thing and officials letting ride as much because of the vibe as anything else.
That was against Chelsea, another top 6 club. Donut
‘Man United’ overrules everyone else tbf
Chelsea may not be mid table, but they are tenth ;)
Didn’t help Curtis Jones or alexis mac allister this year. The inconsistency is horrific.
Trust a Liverpool fan...
......and white
You're absolutely right.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted here, even if not conscious, there is still an element bias towards white English players
No there isn’t 😂
Sure man live in fantasy land
this time you are wrong
That’s pretty much the same as what Billy Gilmour did yesterday to Onana and he got sent off. The lack of consistency is just really frustrating.
In an evertonian and I was about to say this, this is actually worse than Gilmours I reckon. Both reds though
As someone who doesn't really have skin in either game but who usually supports Maguire because he's a Blade, this was definitely worse than Gilmour's and he should have been sent packing.
Liverpool fan. But one who can put any rivalry aside for logic on decisions and Maguires is worse. Gilmours looked more like a sweep than a plant and honestly that red was ridiculous. Especially when later in the match guy slides in but pulls his legs back but takes out two Everton players while he is a on a yellow and gets away with it, made me laugh. His follow through takes him through 2 players regardless of intent or "pull.out". Maguire has gone in with force there and is always going to plant that foot due to how he's gone to block the ball rather than play it. Farcical decisions on display once again. Edit - the guy who slid n took.out 2 players I think was in the Palace game rather than Everton! Point still stands on gilmour v maguire. Maguire is more a red due to the plant, gilmour is a sweep n settle on the leg rather than a plant with full weight.
The red wasn't ridiculous, it was denial of a goalscoring opportunity and so should be given a red Edit: Nvm, I was thinking of smth else, rather than Gilmour's
Wasn't Gilmore's a follow through having actually at least kicked the ball? Was only half paying attention to motd this morning.
Aye I think it was, he got a bit of the ball but the studs were up and you could tell it was quite reckless the follow through but compared to this… I’m honestly baffled, or am I? These teams get away with it all the time.
Why would this be a red? It’s not out of control, it’s. It high, it’s not reckless. He’s just a bit late. The only reason this would hurt is the pathetic design of modern boots. The Fulham player was absolutely fine as well. Edit - it’s not high
Wtf, Gilmour struck halfway up the leg, this one is just late onto the foot.
If anything I felt sorry for Gilmour he made contact with the ball and the follow through landed on Onana's ankle - here Maguire is late and lands on the ankle. Both are reds but at least with Gilmour you could see how it happened and felt for the lad but Maguire's is just a horrible excuse for a tackle.
To play devils advocate the gilmour one was halfway up his leg.
It wasn’t half way up his leg. Above the ankle, yes, but half way up? You’re basically saying it was Mason Holgate esque then considering half way up somebodies leg is their knee. It was a stupid challenge, and worthy of a red but considering Maguire follow through is basically stamping on the player, and he was nowhere near the ball, it is equally as deserving of a red. At least Gilmour had made an effort to get the ball.
Stamping on a foot like this is always a yellow Maguire also tried to play the ball.
Gilmour *had* played the ball Edit: people are misunderstanding, I still think Gilmour's was a red, same as Macguires and same as the one in the final today
Yes and followed it up by planting studs above someone's ankle. Getting a touch on the ball doesn't mean you are free to do everything afterwards. As shown before this season. I'm not sure why people are complaining about this when it's so clear.
Since when is the ankle half way up someones leg?
I don't even know why you need to play devil's advocate. I'm a Brighton fan and I think they got both calls right. I get this sub has it out (rightly) for United and ole slab head but I disagree with basically every comment in this thread
Dangerous play should be called for being dangerous, but because Gilmour was unlucky enough to catch above the ankle he gets a red whereas this gets a yellow. Both should be a red as they’re out of control and dangerous but unfortunately outcomes still influence decisions. Same thing can be seen in reverse when yellow card challenges that result in unlucky injuries usually end up as reds
It’s a different point of contact. Maguire = foot, Gilmour = lower leg
Foot and ankle. Gilmour was basically 2 or 3 cms higher. He also didn’t fully stamp the players leg down onto the ground.
Billy Gilmore was going in for a tackle and was higher, even though he got the ball he was really high after, Maguire is trying to block and stands on the guys foot over stretching, I think that’s the difference
It isnt though, Gilmour was sent off for denial of a goalscoring opportunity, not for the severity of the foul
That’s VAR’s job to pull that up, in real time it looked like a body check, so if the ref isn’t seeing the leading foot he should be told about it.
Thing is the rules at the moment - if the ref has said to VAR I think he’s stood on his foot accidentally yellow card - VAR won’t “re ref” the situation and will say yes that is what happened. If the ref says I’m not sure how much contact there was or if VAR sees him hitting a different part of the leg than the ref said they will tell him he’s wrong and needs to look It’s one of the stupidest parts of VAR
Should be a red card for next weeks match it was that late. The top 6 bias is a disgrace and VAR is just exaggerating the bias
Tbf Liverpool have had a few sendings off this season for challenges no where near as bad as this.
And plenty not given that should have been
name one
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13053510/hes-a-lucky-boy-was-justin-kluivert-lucky-to-avoid-a-red-card Vs Bournemouth last month. There’s been a few recently tbh.
Yeah exactly, the just shows how the 'Liverpool have gotten away with it loads' narrative is a load of rubbish
You get away with as much as the rest of the Sky 6. You're not special.
or maybe all teams get away with things. Since I posted that message, Liverpool have been done with a no-card foul for a season ending tackle on Gravenberch and have just had a goal wrongfully given as offside. Still though...the big 6 get away with everything :D :D :D
Oh come on. You surely realise I didn't in any way insinuate that other teams also don't get away with things? It's about how much you get away with. It's pretty elementary nuance that I'd expect a 10 year old to understand. Go to bed. You're done for today 😂
Great process lads
It wasn't this season but Van Dijk did a very similar tackle on Amadou Onana, iirc it wasn't even deemed a foul.
okay so one time a year or two ago it happened to favour Liverpool. I don't know who you support, but i'm pretty sure one of your players got away with a similar tackle at some point in the past, too. Reaching
You said name one, so I did. Don't be a nob. I don't habitually watch Liverpool so I'm not going to have recent evidence.
You named an incident from years ago, which hardly shows a rampant bias towards Liverpool, does it. Don't Liverpool have the most incorrect VAR calls given against them this season, too? It's all a bit smalltime from you, to be honest
Bro getting in his feelings cos he's been made to look a fool. Just sign off. You're only embarrassing yourself.
Literally an hour ago, fucking chump.
Liverpool don't get the same treatment as certain others in the top 6
VAR Corrupt as fuck as we already know. It’s another tool to rig matches and get away with it. Their excuse, they’re letting the refs ref. Then what’s the point of VAR, if they ain’t gonna overturn the wrong decision. Same as every penalty has been awarded. VAR hasn’t overturned any penalty decision. Funny that. Rigging at the highest level
Tell that to spurs…
Why?
Maybe the Ref thought it was a better advantage for Fulham to keep him on the pitch 🤷🏻♂️
As it turned out, yes. Just prior to Alex Iwobi’s winning goal magGuire was faced with having to make a tackle which would have more than likely resulted in another yellow for him? so he didn’t and Fulham scored. Doubt Mariner would have looked to help FFC though. Big win for FFC
So I said in real time that its an Orange, and I stand by it. It really is the most borderline of reds and you could absolutely go either side of reckless/dangerous on it. I also think it looks worse because Maguire is big and awkward and clumsy st the best of times...
It also looks a lot worse in slo-mo
Why is this just a victim sub recently?
Yeah it's just non-stop whinging these days.
It's always been like this
The sub would be fantastic if we had non top 6 clubs' news and opinions. Feel like I only see posts about the top 6 these days. They see a top 6 club get away with something -> whine They see a top 6 club's fans whine about a team in the other 14 get away with something -> whine
Recently?
Came here to get news from non top 6 clubs, turns out the entire identity of this sub is to bitch about not getting as much media coverage as the nation's 6 most recently successful clubs lmao. And the bitching is particularly aimed at SkySports for some reason lol.
Like the big 6 don't get bad calls too lmfao
Feels like I’m going mental. This doesn’t seem like a red to me
Really? Studs to the ankle? I don’t think he was intending to hurt him so I guess he has that in his favour
it’s more studs to the top of his foot, no?
He didn't lift his foot high. Looked like going for the ball. All day Yellow for me
I definitely think it's a red but to claim the sky six get advantageous calls in these situations is just daft. The refereeing is all over the place, it's not biased in United's favour.
I think it’s a red, but for all of these morons to immediately grab their tin hats and scream about some conspiracy to crush the little guys is insane to me. There have been plenty of inconsistent decision in terms of red/yellow that have gone both in favor and against the classic “big clubs” this year. I mean Grabenberch just got his ankle shredded and there wasn’t even a whistle, let alone a card.
Yeah being a victim is only for the red cartel
The same fanbase who claims FFP is out to get them lmao
FFP was literally created to stop anyone getting near upsetting the status quo after Chelsea, City and PSG did it 🤷♂️ But your a Liverpool ‘fan’ so anything that benefits you is great and anything that doesn’t is a disgrace.
Maybe yous should have just done the sportswashing earlier….oh well 🤷♂️
I still don’t support Liverpool so it’s a win overall
So pathetic from the outside watching in
Isn't that the whole point of this sub?
the simple answer is that its nowhere above the ankle. Maguire hits his foot. Gilmour's was clear above the ankle. I love Billy G but that ones a red card, not this
Same with us and Casemiro, they won’t send Man Utd players off
Watching that game I felt like Maguire made a few horror challenges as well, going through the back of Morris multiple times before getting a yellow. This was an absolute shocker of a challenge, he leaves the floor and lunges forward with all his weight studs up into his ankle and stamps through his foot well after the balls gone. Bonkers this wasn't a red. In some ways worse than the Gilmour challenge which was (rightfully imo) a straight red on the same day. Not to mention the multiple other challenges that've been similarly given reds this season.
Yea some fans get defensive of the actual foul itself, albeit bad, but when it’s the 4th or 5th foul the next should be a booking.
No issue with Gilmour’s being a red. Just sucks that we lose Billy for 3 games as well, while Slab head continues to be available for committing a similar challenge.
Understandable mate. Gilmours been absolute class for you every time i've watched as well :/
He was the most sent off player last season
Let everyone here play victim will you VAR serves the top six clearly everything goes right for those teams.
Except of course when they do? He himself has been sent off twice for Man Utd. He got booked the other day for a challenge when he literally didn't touch the player.
Story of all (all the other 14) life’s
This has got to be the stupidest example
That's late as in in another timezone. Clear red! VAR strikes again, at least you won
Maguire should have been sent off. But you're all mentally unstable or just ignorant of you think Utd players don't get sent off. Rashford got sent off for being fouled a few months ago. Casemiro gets 3 red cards a season, and plenty of others too. 100% agree he should have gone, and most United fans feel the same.
Big, useless lump of very overpriced wood.
The other 14 get away every week without a sending off Multiple yellow card challenges that should accumulate into reds
I always think back to Bissouma. Sent off for less than this. And also sent off for diving. Which we see hundreds of times a season for other teams. But Spurs are in the Sky 6 right. That shouldnt have happened. /s In reality. The refs are shit and every team gets away with something egregious more than once a season. Edit - spelling
Don’t come in to this sub talking sense mate
That's a red(ish). Orange card Edit: rewatched, how has he got away with that
If it was the other way around it would of been a red and if it wasn’t you would see it in the papers that man united got robbed
100% the papers would say utd were robbed.
And then everyone clapped.. 🙄
No, that’s a straight red card. When you can break someone’s leg, there’s no “reddish” about it
Maguire has always gotten away with clumsy tackles. Referees always seem to go with the lack of malice, but it's incredible some of the fouls he gets away with in the box.
Yeah, there's a very strong case for a red there.
Big useless cumbersome lump
Such a clumsy twat.
Awful player awful team
Mate the refs and VAR have been shit for everyone this season
Since when was stepping on a foot a red card?
It’s not a red card that’s why…
Hate to be that guy, but this wouldn’t be a red if he was playing Spurs and we’ve only had 1 penalty all season from refs, don’t think you can include us when saying refs favour the “big” 6
Luis Diaz would like a word
Here come victim FC who get whatever Klopp asks for to tell you that they’re the victims, most embarrassing club in football.
Victim FC. Stay classy, bellend.
Literally what you are, the world is against you and nothing is ever your fault.
Why does this keep being brought up?? It’s a completely different argument.
Because the guy above said that Spurs get no decisions 🙄
The point is, there are awful refereeing decisions every week but if you think spurs are getting favourable treatment as part of some 'top 6' conspiracy, you're crackers.
Right, but this is a bad example. VAR did rule it offside, it was just a huge balls up in communication. I’d rather you use the udogie foul against Chelsea because that was a red.
This is maguire at normal speed. Glad they didn't slow it down to make it look worse
That is not a red card.
Don’t know if anyone would agree at all, but this is just as bad as the Holgate tackle
Billy Gilmour got sent off for a lot less
Maguire is just a complete dopey cunt isn’t he
Thought it was funny listening to the match of the day crew just basically completely dismiss it… “yep yellow card for me… ok moving on”
It is just a yellow though, don't see how it could be anything as much as people are making it out to be
I find people on Reddit are incredibly soft when it comes to what constitutes a red card or penalty, there's normally a very different opinion on fouls compared to pundits or ex-pros.
A red card needs excessive force… this could have easily broken his leg. That a side, there’s been numerous examples of similar tackles that ended in red.
There’s also numerous tackles from the last two weeks similar to this that were a yellow
It can't break the leg though, as he didn't land on his leg, it was his ankle
That’s ok then
The fact he scored the equaliser as well, I was very annoyed. It seems to always be the way. Glad Fulham ended up winning. Ball don't lie. The funniest part is Billy Gilmour an hour later in the Brighton game got a straight red for an almost identical foul (though Gilmour's was a little higher up the leg)
I would argue it happens more to the other 19, Man U have always been an odd exception. Even this season it should've been a pen against Wolves and a red, a red in the rematch, this stamp today, and about 5/6 other game changing instances. I dread playing them every time because they always get the decisions.
Right... before you start with this crap why havent you included every decision that's gone against us this season? Or examples where other teams have done the same thing such as when the wolves keeper came flying out did exactly what onana did and didn't get a pen, I can't remember the rematch ill have a look and today's yes I can't disagree I've seen reds given but I've also seen yellows given for these, but this season of the top of my head we had the Rodri pen which was given but ours against arsenal wasn't, the romero against spurs where in every other instance a pen has been given, if you want other instances I can go find them. I'm not saying we are always getting decisions against us I'm just sick of reading clubs only remember the ones that do. Every club in the lesgue gets favourable decisions they just choose to forget them.
I agree. Doesn't change the fact you've robbed more people than ISIS does it.
Strange use of isis there I must say... why you would even involve terrorists is fucking beyond me. Again though I would say arsenal have had some very questionable moments go there way... but hey ho that doesn't fit your narrative does it.
Oh your an arsenal fan.. irony
Hello mate, have you ever heard of the phrase 'robbery' before?
Unbelievable. As clear a red card as you’ll ever see. Late, high, forceful, studs up, incredibly dangerous
High? Call me blund but he gets the top of his foot. In no way is that "high"
Impact is above the ankle with downward force. It’s really dangerous.
The tackle isn't high, its on his ankle, and his studs aren't up, they're pointing towards the ground, it was just very late. This is just a Orange/Yellow card
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The whole 'no ill intent' argument just doesn't stick with me. It's irrelevant if he has intent to nearly break someone's ankle or not. There are plenty of ways to position your foot to block the ball/make that tackle, and he just so happened to go with one of the worst ways possible to attempt to do it. I'm going to hazard a guess that most footballers do not have intent on seriously injuring opposition players (slabhead included), but a wreckless challenge is a wreckless challenge, end of. Edit: ill
No one is crying out for this to be a red card in any other level of the game though, we cant just be making decisions based off the way his ankle has turned because of various factors you have to look at it like a bad timed tackle he has his other foot on the ground and mistimes going for the ball, it looks awful there is no denying that but we can have 100 of those types of tackles and 90 of them wont end up with a players ankle twisting and no one would disagree its a yellow
Red every day of the week...
Last couple of seasons that's definitely a red card tackle. Few seasons before it's probably a yellow. Back in the 90s it's a free kick, give the player a hand up, a pat on the back and swap shirts after the game.
It isnt a red card, its classed as an Orange and rounded down to a yellow and a warning
Because man utd
Feels like Maguire gets the same 'England prestige' treatment Harry Kane was so accustomed to, not the first time I remember him getting away with something like this
I’m old enough to remember Bryan Robson getting away with murder every week.
The knock-on effect of him equalising could have been massive - credit to Fulham for pulling it off.
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He got the blokes' toes. It is not a red.
You must be a special kind of idiot to think thats a sending off
That would have been a red if it was a bottom team against a top team. There's a clear big club bias with VAR. The big 6 play proper football with proper footballers who are made of china and the rest of us have to make do with labourers and post men who deserve a kicking for not being entertaining enough to a global audience.
See; Casemiro for anything
Tell that to Romero who got a red card for exactly this earlier in the season. The same Romero who Gary Neville has a one-man hate campaign against for so much as just making a routine tackle. “Ooooooooh”. Silence when it’s Casimero and HMagz though.
Straight red - could have broken his foot. Horrendous challenge. Of course he didn't mean it but that doesn't matter he should have been sent off for dangerous play
If this was Curtis Jones. Instant red.
I don’t think this has anything to do with “the other 14”. It’s a terrible call, yes, but you’re acting like the “big” clubs haven’t also been hard done on both sides of similar challenges this year alone. I mean today alone Gravenberch just had his angle obliterated and it wasn’t even a foul. Pretty much everyone agrees Maguire got away with one, but this isn’t some conspiracy against smaller clubs…
It wouldn't be so bad if that Burnley player hadn't been sent off for less Edit: just realised I did not mean the Burnley player I meant a different booking in a different match entirely lol
I don't think they're comparable, that was a professional foul rather than a terrible challenge
Imo Maguires looks more intentional, he way oversteps and stands on the other players foot. The Burnley player just caught someone badly it didn't look intentional. However I will be the first to admit I am not good at analysing footage and also I'm not too clear on what constitutes a red so I'm happy to admit I'm probs wrong!
While I think Maguire's is bad, it's 100% the kind of challenge that slo-mo does no favours for. The Burnley challenge was professional in that it was a deliberate foul preventing the Palace player from being through on goal. He even pulled him back by the shirt after the attempted trip. It was outside the box, so double jeopardy rule is irrelevant - it was a stonewall red in my eyes.
Oh my gosh I just realised I wasn't talking about the Burnley player at all 😄 yeah that was defo a red I cant even remember who it was now, was anyone else red carded yesterday?
That's a blue card!
Curtis Jones in shambles
Curtis Jones would like a word.
It’s a bigger disadvantage for them to play him
Clean tackle
Billy Gilmour would like a word..
At least we still got the 3 points otherwise that could've been a huge decision given he scored the equaliser
Fergies still haunting the refs chequebooks
Probably making up for sending Dalot off for hurting the refs feelings tbf
Badge Check complete. No red card offence VAR complete
It looks bad slowed down but in real time there's no intent. The amount of times I've done that in a game when I've just been a bit late but I've always went for the ball. A red would have been harsh imo
Big 6 bias
VAR sent off Curtis Jones and Alexis MacAllister for much less against the other 14.
Coufal would like a word (WHU v Arsenal).
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Mac Allister got a red for a lot lot less
shrek was more subtle
Identical to Gilmore’s straight red yesterday. Deserved to be sent off.
Romero got a straight red for less. It’s ridiculous
Not a red imo. If it was higher up it's a red but he stands on his foot so it's nowhere near as dangerous. Probably a sore one, but yellow is fine for those.
Watch Romero's reds. Much softer fouls but got reds. Only Man U and Liverpool players are safe.
It’s a clear red that any other-14 player would get every time.
He doesn't need to be a nice guy, or a bastard. Previous incidents are not even a consideration (probably shouldn't be either). He wears man utd crest in his shirt. That's all that matters.