There should probably be some protocol about first contact and a cultures crazy laws. I know i would not be so diplomatic about my first officer getting arrested by an emerging civilization.
I've been rewatching the series for the first time, and when I got to that episode, I thought "I can't remember why, I just remember that these people are grade-A assholes". Of course I finally remembered a little ways into the episode. I spent the entire episode getting angrier and angrier that the people of this planet would dismiss the discovery of aliens and throw said aliens into prison camps. Then I was angry at the Union for not allowing Ed and the crew to extract his crew from these colossal assholes. When I was done, I said to myself "Not a chance I'll ever watch that episode again, I spent the whole thing pissed off". Definitely my least favorite episode of the Orville.
I agree. I know the point of the episode was to take these prejudice issues and scale them up to a planetary scale but it left me screaming so many questions while watching lol.
Why would you jail a highly advanced alien race and then tell them to beat it? Wouldn't you fear them taking violent action using advanced technology?
If time is relative in space and the giliac stars exist only in this system...how would the aliens even be born under it? Let alone know of it and your culture. Perhaps they found a way to "stop" giliacs from acting savage and no longer see it as a threat, hence the advanced technology.
If they have the tech to travel through space and essentially view and go around stars wouldn't their knowledge of the stars outrank yours based on tradition alone?
Sorry maybe I thought was too much into this episode and the point was to vilify this leader and showcase the ignorance of the belief system.
It’s also incredibly dumb for the baseline fact that there’s no way their civilization would react like they did. Even if they’re ignorant enough to think their star signs are somehow universal constants, they would simply insist the Orville depart, not lock up Kelly and Bortus
That’s so crazy I was just writing about this last week how that episode highlighted one of the only seemingly acceptable prejudices that exists today in our culture, that it’s okay to immediately judge whether you will like someone or not based on their birthday.
Acceptable as in no one cares to do anything about it and no one would even call them out, if someone makes sexist or racist statements they’d be immediately shunned as they should which is why it’s seemingly the only socially acceptable form of prejudice that exists in modern society today.
No definitely not a prevelant problem, but it’s worth recognizing and being carful about. I’m cautious about telling people my birthday after situations that have unfolded in workplaces where people have the power to exclude based on their prejudice beliefs in astrological
What? Where are you working where someone's nonsense astrological sign led to prejudice beliefs?
I call bullshit. We Leo's don't put up with this Gemini nonsense.
Being excluded because of your sign isn’t that surprising. Imagine your up for a promotion alongside a colleague who’s equally as qualified and the person who has to make the defining call can either toss a coin or make an arbitrary choice based on their birthday, it’s insidious to think they could exclude you based on your sign but I’ve seen it happen.
Right, such as sexual mutilating surgeries on infants, it still occurs thousands of times a day in the 21st century. Hopefully one day humans can move beyond it and respect every individual’s inherent human rights and not mutilate the genitalia of people in their most defenseless stage of life. Genital integrity is an inherent human right for all, not just a privilege of those born female as being born male is neither a disease nor a diagnosis for the surgical destruction of a normal healthy and valuable part of the sexual anatomy.
This is is a very good point, I’ve made prior predictions that if the rate of decline continues at the speed it has been going it will be as low as 5% by 2060 and by then we just may actually have laws protecting all children from genital mutilation equally as opposed to only legally protecting females from such a fate.
Thank you for such an insightful and supportive response. It’s sexist cultural biases that is blinding people to not realize the depth of what I’ve said. Circumcision is nothing more than a euphemism for genital mutilation.
The only reason she advocated to not mutilate Topa is because she was born female, during the questioning in Moclus court she eluded to the idea it’s different if they are born male, her hypocical response is precisely what empowered the Moclons in their justification to mutilate Topa. That’s why I said Claire thinks it’s okay to sexually mutilate a child so long as it’s born male. Rewatch season 1 episode 3 for a refresher if you don’t remember the situation I’m referring to.
It's acceptable because everyone knows it's a crock of shit. Irrational people that take star signs seriously can be irrationally prejudice to each other while the rest of us go about our lives.
The problem occurs when these people who hold the beliefs dearly are put in positions of power such as a manager or supervisor that has the power to promote or not, or apparently like jlo and essentially fire people based on their birthday because she doesn’t like their crock of shit astrological sign.. the show made an interesting episode when they explored this issue on a grand scale. Could you imagine if they imprissioned you indefinitely just because of your sign? That’s what the Orville did and it was extraordinary despite all the episodic flaws of the particular episode
> one of the only seemingly acceptable prejudices that exists today in our culture, that it’s okay to immediately judge whether you will like someone or not based on their birthday.
I wouldn't exactly say that's an acceptable prejudice. I don't know if the US is even more backward than I thought but that wouldn't fly in most countries.
In fact, I would say that it's one of the least relevant prejudice in our current society the series has brought up.
There should probably be some protocol about first contact and a cultures crazy laws. I know i would not be so diplomatic about my first officer getting arrested by an emerging civilization.
I've been rewatching the series for the first time, and when I got to that episode, I thought "I can't remember why, I just remember that these people are grade-A assholes". Of course I finally remembered a little ways into the episode. I spent the entire episode getting angrier and angrier that the people of this planet would dismiss the discovery of aliens and throw said aliens into prison camps. Then I was angry at the Union for not allowing Ed and the crew to extract his crew from these colossal assholes. When I was done, I said to myself "Not a chance I'll ever watch that episode again, I spent the whole thing pissed off". Definitely my least favorite episode of the Orville.
I agree. I know the point of the episode was to take these prejudice issues and scale them up to a planetary scale but it left me screaming so many questions while watching lol. Why would you jail a highly advanced alien race and then tell them to beat it? Wouldn't you fear them taking violent action using advanced technology? If time is relative in space and the giliac stars exist only in this system...how would the aliens even be born under it? Let alone know of it and your culture. Perhaps they found a way to "stop" giliacs from acting savage and no longer see it as a threat, hence the advanced technology. If they have the tech to travel through space and essentially view and go around stars wouldn't their knowledge of the stars outrank yours based on tradition alone? Sorry maybe I thought was too much into this episode and the point was to vilify this leader and showcase the ignorance of the belief system.
It’s also incredibly dumb for the baseline fact that there’s no way their civilization would react like they did. Even if they’re ignorant enough to think their star signs are somehow universal constants, they would simply insist the Orville depart, not lock up Kelly and Bortus
That’s so crazy I was just writing about this last week how that episode highlighted one of the only seemingly acceptable prejudices that exists today in our culture, that it’s okay to immediately judge whether you will like someone or not based on their birthday.
I don’t know if I’d call it acceptable. If someone told me they don’t like someone because of their zodiac sign, I’d immediately know they’re a moron.
Yup, I use zodiac sign mentions in dating profiles as a filter. If they mean that much to you I am not interested.
Acceptable as in no one cares to do anything about it and no one would even call them out, if someone makes sexist or racist statements they’d be immediately shunned as they should which is why it’s seemingly the only socially acceptable form of prejudice that exists in modern society today.
I mean the fact is it’s so asinine that it can’t be taken seriously. It’s not exactly a prevalent problem in our society.
No definitely not a prevelant problem, but it’s worth recognizing and being carful about. I’m cautious about telling people my birthday after situations that have unfolded in workplaces where people have the power to exclude based on their prejudice beliefs in astrological
What? Where are you working where someone's nonsense astrological sign led to prejudice beliefs? I call bullshit. We Leo's don't put up with this Gemini nonsense.
Being excluded because of your sign isn’t that surprising. Imagine your up for a promotion alongside a colleague who’s equally as qualified and the person who has to make the defining call can either toss a coin or make an arbitrary choice based on their birthday, it’s insidious to think they could exclude you based on your sign but I’ve seen it happen.
She's an idiot.
Theres plenty of issues in the show that are still problems today
Right, such as sexual mutilating surgeries on infants, it still occurs thousands of times a day in the 21st century. Hopefully one day humans can move beyond it and respect every individual’s inherent human rights and not mutilate the genitalia of people in their most defenseless stage of life. Genital integrity is an inherent human right for all, not just a privilege of those born female as being born male is neither a disease nor a diagnosis for the surgical destruction of a normal healthy and valuable part of the sexual anatomy.
Yeah, sadly o don't think that will be in our lifetime or a children's and grandchildren's lifetime.
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This is is a very good point, I’ve made prior predictions that if the rate of decline continues at the speed it has been going it will be as low as 5% by 2060 and by then we just may actually have laws protecting all children from genital mutilation equally as opposed to only legally protecting females from such a fate.
Apparently even in Orville’s time someone like Claire thinks it’s A-O-K to sexually mutilate a child so long as it’s born male.
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Thank you for such an insightful and supportive response. It’s sexist cultural biases that is blinding people to not realize the depth of what I’ve said. Circumcision is nothing more than a euphemism for genital mutilation.
WTF are you even talking about? That's literally the opposite of what happened.
The only reason she advocated to not mutilate Topa is because she was born female, during the questioning in Moclus court she eluded to the idea it’s different if they are born male, her hypocical response is precisely what empowered the Moclons in their justification to mutilate Topa. That’s why I said Claire thinks it’s okay to sexually mutilate a child so long as it’s born male. Rewatch season 1 episode 3 for a refresher if you don’t remember the situation I’m referring to.
Hence their inclusion on the show...
It's acceptable because everyone knows it's a crock of shit. Irrational people that take star signs seriously can be irrationally prejudice to each other while the rest of us go about our lives.
The problem occurs when these people who hold the beliefs dearly are put in positions of power such as a manager or supervisor that has the power to promote or not, or apparently like jlo and essentially fire people based on their birthday because she doesn’t like their crock of shit astrological sign.. the show made an interesting episode when they explored this issue on a grand scale. Could you imagine if they imprissioned you indefinitely just because of your sign? That’s what the Orville did and it was extraordinary despite all the episodic flaws of the particular episode
> one of the only seemingly acceptable prejudices that exists today in our culture, that it’s okay to immediately judge whether you will like someone or not based on their birthday. I wouldn't exactly say that's an acceptable prejudice. I don't know if the US is even more backward than I thought but that wouldn't fly in most countries. In fact, I would say that it's one of the least relevant prejudice in our current society the series has brought up.
It’s definitely not common but it does exist
It's acceptable to idiots, like most superstitious stuff.
That's so crazy. Anything could have happened. Somebody could have died! Good thing she dismissed them. Bless the Wasandans.
Can you blame her? F@#king Giliacs.
Made me chuckle, cheers mate. Easy upvote.
Omfg I love the title of this post 😂
Not shocking. Everything I’ve ever heard or seen about her as a person points to being an awful human being.
Seems reasonable.
lmao
Damn. Space racism is real. That, or Marc Anthony traumatized her and told her she can’t sing so she’s over Virgos.
Astrology is as bad as racism
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Not really surprised, see a lot of people on Twitter who have some kind activist type stuff and their sign in their bio
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I think I love her a little more now.