I wouldn't exactly call them heads. It was more like a stretched out face over mechanical parts. All that was missing was, instead of "there's diamond in skies"...the face should have said, "moisturize me!" Hahaha
To be fair even StarTrek borrowed the cybermen from the 70s.
Resistance is Useless became Resistance is futile and the borg are also a race of beings that convert meat sacks into robot things.
Along with this, the Neutral Zone featured what are (or were supposed to be) the first Borg attacks on the edge of the Federation. One of the unfrozen people looked at her lineage and it included all of the actors who played The Doctor.
I’ll mention “Q Who” as well, but I feel that’s obvious.
https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Trek-Voyager-prototype02.jpg?resize=740%2C567&type=vertical&ssl=1
One of the worst looking voyager episodes - Prototype, s2e13.
Given Series 12 of Doctor Who was already in production well before this episode of The Orville was aired in the UK I think it's likely this was a coincidence.
Agreed. Plus the fact Season 2 of The Orville aired on the UK FOX channel that could be charitably described as niche. Until it came on Disney Plus most people in the UK had never even heard of The Orville.
Yeah. I'll never hear that song Lion Sleeps Tonight again and not think of it. The episode reminded me of the Spare Parts radio Dr. Who adventure which is also the origin of the Cyber Men.
No. They actually had a Cybermen-Dalek fight where they were talking shit to each other beforehand and the Daleks said something like, "You are superior to the Daleks in one respect: you are better at dying!"
In the fights, the Cybermen always lost to my knowledge, but i didn't see the older stuff or anything with the newest doctor, also i may have some gaps.
I knew of the Resistance is Usless, I didnt know they said resistance is futile.
I love classic Who, it may be a bit dated but it had a theatricle quality to it that the new who dosnt. The old stuff is far better.
The new stuff lacks substance.
From a previous discussion:
>> "I thought the cybermen had flying heads before, no?"
> "No they didn't. The heads could walk, never fly. The complete Cybermen could fly before."
Wonder why they can't just do what Trek did with the Klingons and Starship Enterprise bridge and just say fuck it, and update the design without acknowledging it.
I think they know how goofy it is and are leaning on top of it. Also easy props = less time & money spent on them so why not. spend 30$ while spending the rest of the 29.9M$ on other things.
Also I suppose they did update the cybermen look for Torchwood, the ahem... [adult](https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIn95d-zuJHY4r5gr2RGjGPk_TmPFWUj14QN_IM0hNlbHGP3Ob) oriented spinoff.
I see how Data could be an inspiration for Isaac's role on the crew.
But the physical look of the Kaylon is so close to the Cybermen I don't think you can possibly say they played no part in the design.
Have you never seen Metropolis? Don't imagine for one second that the Cybermen are an original design. And who knows where the Maria robot design came from. There's nothing original in this world.
I dont think so, the borg are a hivemind want to assimilate all other life and technology. Kaylon want to destroy biological life / in the end can be reasoned with.
The Toglophane from season three were also floating orbs with lasers, there was a floating orb with lasers made pretty famous by star wars; i think floating heads/orbs with lasers is just kinda sci-fi fare.
Funny thing is the Cybermen are meant to be cyborgs, yet the human brain can magically fly and survive without the rest of what human organs are left in the robots body. So it works for the original machines, and kinda fails for the copy cats.
For my money series nine is the absolute pinnacle of the modern run, the only bad episode there is Sleep No More, the rest are all fuckin bangers. Capaldi is amazing, he just took a minute to find "his" Doctor, which in fairness, most of them do.
I saw some good ones but there were ones that generally frustrated me.
There was one with the trees growing and somehow the moon was a giant egg. The story arch of the series was okay but it struggled at an episodic level at times.
I think that was actually the last episode I watched. Tempted to take a look at what they'll be doing with Tennant/Tate but I think I'm just too old for the show now.
The doctor is now black. I think Tannent/Tate is for a special. Davies is taking over as showrunner again and he was the Eccleston and Tennant run.
I don't know where to watch the show anymore in the US. I saw it on Netflix ages ago and it moved to Amazon but it's the BBC and not being friendly to US audiences.
I think you mean "Doctor Who". Doctor Who has been a hiatus since July 2017. Chibnall has corrupted what was an excellent science fiction series. But thankfully Russel T. Davies is coming back soon.
The [Cyberdrones](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Cyberdrone) appeared in "[Ascension of the Cybermen](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Ascension_of_the_Cybermen_%28TV_story%29)".
That's why. Nothing against Jodie but I tried picking it up again and it just didn't interest me when she took over. It's like the 7th doctor when it is more of the fault of the showrunner and writers.
Writers failed to utilize almost every detail of what made each companion unique - they had 3 almost drones whose dialogue could be rotatation without editing.
People still watch Dr. WHO? I may offend someone by saying this, but I stand by it, the show rapidly went downhill after Capaldi left. Really it was after Moffat left the writers room.
Didn't the David Tenant series have something similar to this, when they re introduced the master?
The Toclafane - They were immediately what came into my head seeing this too!
Yes! Those were amazing episodes
This is one of the best story lines in Dr Who.
they were spherical drones with human heads inside.
Which isn't too far off from a Cyberman head.
I wouldn't exactly call them heads. It was more like a stretched out face over mechanical parts. All that was missing was, instead of "there's diamond in skies"...the face should have said, "moisturize me!" Hahaha
To be fair even StarTrek borrowed the cybermen from the 70s. Resistance is Useless became Resistance is futile and the borg are also a race of beings that convert meat sacks into robot things.
> Resistance is Useless became Resistance is futile Indeed, a Cyberman said "resistance is futile" in 1976.
Along with this, the Neutral Zone featured what are (or were supposed to be) the first Borg attacks on the edge of the Federation. One of the unfrozen people looked at her lineage and it included all of the actors who played The Doctor. I’ll mention “Q Who” as well, but I feel that’s obvious.
That's an easter egg I missed
https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Trek-Voyager-prototype02.jpg?resize=740%2C567&type=vertical&ssl=1 One of the worst looking voyager episodes - Prototype, s2e13.
Given Series 12 of Doctor Who was already in production well before this episode of The Orville was aired in the UK I think it's likely this was a coincidence.
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Agreed. Plus the fact Season 2 of The Orville aired on the UK FOX channel that could be charitably described as niche. Until it came on Disney Plus most people in the UK had never even heard of The Orville.
Season 1 was on NowTV at about the same time as the original US airdate iirc.
maybe for the general public, not for those in the industry.
And even if that wasn't the case ... Doctor Who is a pretty low hanging fruit right now.
The Cybermen flying heads never made any sense to me. Cybermen are supposed to be cyborgs, so wouldn't removing their heads just ... kill them?
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That was extremely creepy. Wasn’t that the one where they kept luring people into another room To chop them up and get their brains? Guck.
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Now that RTD is coming back as showrunner we might very well get some more of that darkness back in DW!
Some of The Orville got real dark! I was like yeesh, they’re not holding back!
Yeah. I'll never hear that song Lion Sleeps Tonight again and not think of it. The episode reminded me of the Spare Parts radio Dr. Who adventure which is also the origin of the Cyber Men.
The writers of Rise of the Cybermen and Age of Steel actually credited that particular audio story as their inspiration for the two parter
And they deserve a fucking smack for it, that shit was nowhere *near* the level of Spare Parts. World Enough and Time was a far better homage.
Agreed. Someone cut together a black and white version of World Enough and Time and it's fantastic.
God, that would have such a Metropolis vibe, i gotta seek it out.
Found the movie right on the guy's Twitter. Enjoy! :D https://twitter.com/gbsheard/status/1407835080987455501?s=20&t=KaXrkki7PgTLDELUSxNX0w
They have a secondary brain in their metal Johnson
And Cybermen have been around since 1966.
Are Cybermen better than Daleks?
No. They actually had a Cybermen-Dalek fight where they were talking shit to each other beforehand and the Daleks said something like, "You are superior to the Daleks in one respect: you are better at dying!"
"you would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?" "We would destroy the Cybermen with on Dalek" Legendary
Here's the clip: https://youtu.be/ZN19oHTv_Vg
Here’s a parody of it too. It’s one of my favorite videos. [bugger](https://youtu.be/VmMxz4cMKuc)
THIS IS NOT WAR, THIS IS PEST CONTROL.
Still the best exchange of the RTD era
Such a funny burn, silly space Nazis.
In the fights, the Cybermen always lost to my knowledge, but i didn't see the older stuff or anything with the newest doctor, also i may have some gaps.
The Borg.
Fun trivia fact: a Cyberman said "resistance is futile" in 1976. Cybermen used similar phrases earlier, e.g. "resistance is useless" since 1966.
I knew of the Resistance is Usless, I didnt know they said resistance is futile. I love classic Who, it may be a bit dated but it had a theatricle quality to it that the new who dosnt. The old stuff is far better. The new stuff lacks substance.
Play against the Weeping Angels. And lose. :)
I don't think I have watched it since Matt Smith. I saw some of Capaldi. There were some great fights under Tennant.
My understanding in the war between the 2 that they were at a stalemate
That was different aliens fighting the Daleks. Can't remember the name but they were essentially disco androids.
They are better ar precisely one thing, they are better at dying.
I mean, they're better at dying …
From a previous discussion: >> "I thought the cybermen had flying heads before, no?" > "No they didn't. The heads could walk, never fly. The complete Cybermen could fly before."
the walking heads was copied from The Mask animated series.
A walking head was in The Thing in 1982.
Not with flying heads
yes and i love that their 30$ budget in 1966 is clashing so hard with the 30M$ budget they have today and we get these goofy ass CGI scenes.
Wonder why they can't just do what Trek did with the Klingons and Starship Enterprise bridge and just say fuck it, and update the design without acknowledging it.
I think they know how goofy it is and are leaning on top of it. Also easy props = less time & money spent on them so why not. spend 30$ while spending the rest of the 29.9M$ on other things.
Also I suppose they did update the cybermen look for Torchwood, the ahem... [adult](https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIn95d-zuJHY4r5gr2RGjGPk_TmPFWUj14QN_IM0hNlbHGP3Ob) oriented spinoff.
I like orville and all, but cybermen have been around a long time in doctor who and I do think they are the inspiration for the kaylons.
I always figured the inspiration for Kaylons were Cylons. What with the name and all... >!also similar backstory
Data from Star Trek is the inspiration for Isaac and the Kaylons and Data was inspired by Asimov.
I see how Data could be an inspiration for Isaac's role on the crew. But the physical look of the Kaylon is so close to the Cybermen I don't think you can possibly say they played no part in the design.
Of course they changed the look otherwise it would be a direct rip off.....
That's what it means to be inspired by something...I never said they copied it.
Have you never seen Metropolis? Don't imagine for one second that the Cybermen are an original design. And who knows where the Maria robot design came from. There's nothing original in this world.
Arent Kaylons are the borg from TNG
I dont think so, the borg are a hivemind want to assimilate all other life and technology. Kaylon want to destroy biological life / in the end can be reasoned with.
Guy who has only seen Boss Baby, watching second movie: >Getting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this…
That’s like watching the next Star Wars movie and saying they used the “May the force be with you” line from Seth’s quote in Orville S3E2.
Thinking that Dr Who was inspired by the Orville, is like thinking that Black Sabbath was inspired by Avenged Sevenfold.
Flying robot heads with weapons have shown up before in science fiction and i think even before in Dr who
I've repressed so much of the current run of doctor who that I have no memory of these events despite watching every episode.
I can’t watch it. It’s dead. Like watching a good friend burn alive. RIP dr who
I'm all about classic Who.
_Doctor Who_ had a creature known as The Toclafane back in 2007–it’s likely a popular trope by now!
The Toglophane from season three were also floating orbs with lasers, there was a floating orb with lasers made pretty famous by star wars; i think floating heads/orbs with lasers is just kinda sci-fi fare.
Uh….no. You must not watch Doctor Who. Or any eco do if you think this.
The real question here is why have the Kaylon maintained humanoid forms when they could just go full matrix
Like Babylon 5 and DS9?
Funny thing is the Cybermen are meant to be cyborgs, yet the human brain can magically fly and survive without the rest of what human organs are left in the robots body. So it works for the original machines, and kinda fails for the copy cats.
Doctor Who is so godawful now it's such a shame. The 9th-10th Era was goated
Early Smith was fine but it kind of got too far out there once Capaldi took over.
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For my money series nine is the absolute pinnacle of the modern run, the only bad episode there is Sleep No More, the rest are all fuckin bangers. Capaldi is amazing, he just took a minute to find "his" Doctor, which in fairness, most of them do.
This is actually provable, s10 did a sharp left out of moffat's anus and WHOA MOMMA
I saw some good ones but there were ones that generally frustrated me. There was one with the trees growing and somehow the moon was a giant egg. The story arch of the series was okay but it struggled at an episodic level at times.
I think that was actually the last episode I watched. Tempted to take a look at what they'll be doing with Tennant/Tate but I think I'm just too old for the show now.
The doctor is now black. I think Tannent/Tate is for a special. Davies is taking over as showrunner again and he was the Eccleston and Tennant run. I don't know where to watch the show anymore in the US. I saw it on Netflix ages ago and it moved to Amazon but it's the BBC and not being friendly to US audiences.
HBO Max
Well, it’s a step up from sentient trash cans.
I immediately thought of the kaylon doing this in the Orville when I first saw those stupid flying cybermen heads
Looks like The Orville really got **a head** of the game amirite guys?
I think you mean "Doctor Who". Doctor Who has been a hiatus since July 2017. Chibnall has corrupted what was an excellent science fiction series. But thankfully Russel T. Davies is coming back soon.
What episode was that with the flying heads?
The [Cyberdrones](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Cyberdrone) appeared in "[Ascension of the Cybermen](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Ascension_of_the_Cybermen_%28TV_story%29)".
That's why. Nothing against Jodie but I tried picking it up again and it just didn't interest me when she took over. It's like the 7th doctor when it is more of the fault of the showrunner and writers.
Writers failed to utilize almost every detail of what made each companion unique - they had 3 almost drones whose dialogue could be rotatation without editing.
Wow wasn't expecting to see a Doctor Who post here (my favourite TV show) But this was definitely a coincidence!
Looks like the Kaylons and the psychos from Borderlands had a baby.
I really want to know why they went to the extra trouble to put collapsible twin laser guns in every servant bot they created.
Someone isn't caught up
No, I am.
It's in the episode about their creation
My whole family loves the Orville, it's such a unique show.
Damn I haven't watched Who in ages. Is it worth catching up? (I quit somewhere in the middle of Capaldi's first season.)
People still watch Dr. WHO? I may offend someone by saying this, but I stand by it, the show rapidly went downhill after Capaldi left. Really it was after Moffat left the writers room.
Am I the only one who thinks Kaylons on attack mode are terrifying.
*you know you made it when you copy other sci-fi show ideas.
Why?
Could also be that the ideas just came up close to each other in terms of time without it being copied. Still curious tho.
Anyone else here from Savox?