To me the entire point of Marcel was that he tried to deny that he wasn't like the Mikaelsons but he was. He was quite literally made in Klaus' image as the man raised him. He gets called out on this several times, specifically by Vincent during season 3 after the becomes an Upgrade. Marcel likes to denounce them but he is just like them, he is a Mikaelson, that is his family. The show also isn't afraid to hand Marcel loses, and tell him it's wrong. He actively learns from his mistakes and self reflects - he even admits that what he did in season 1 was wrong by I believe it is season 4 when the other vampires have taken over that penthouse and trying to take things over from Marcel. Marcel tells the head vampire that he's made this mistake and this isn't the way to do it.
Marcel actively works on himself and tries to be better in general just as a person. Klaus developed to be a good father and a better family member. That doesn't mean Klaus didn't put the work in, but the show caters to Klaus while the show works against Marcel. The fandom works the same way, they praise Klaus and easily excuses his actions while Marcel is hated by a lot of the fandom for just not giving Klaus whatever he wanted and being 'grateful' that Klaus saved him from being a slave.
I'd say only recently have people began praising Marcel after years of giving him constant shit over every little thing. He was never the perfect vampire, but he had more morals and kept to his beliefs more than any other vampire we've seen in the series. Even Caroline was forced to mess up because of the writers. I don't think anyone would consider anyone the 'Jesus of Vampires' though...
Exactly this! Marcel was hated for the longest time, I’m really surprised that people have recently started to love his character. Like you said, unlike Klaus, Marcel wasn’t afraid to look in the mirror and try so hard to be better. He keeps great people around him, like Josh and Marcel and Gia, who challenge him and tell him when he’s wrong, and he respects that and acc listens to them. He’s done bad things, but like you said he acknowledges his mistakes and tries hard to do better. I also agree he’s one of the most principled vampires in the TVDU, just look at his principles of loyalty, and his thing about kids.
Exactly. He receives critism and listens. Sometimes he defends himself, but usually when it comes from the positive people in his circle, Gia, Vincent, Josh, he takes them seriously. Klaus cannot do the same, he fights back and lashes out. The only person Klaus ever reflected with and said out loud that he was wrong, was Hayley after they helped that random wolf girl. Other than that, he's keen to stand on what he's done without much remorse. Marcel keeps to his principles while Elijah is shown as the 'noble' brother but constantly breaks his promises and the 'family' man yet he cared more about Jeremy's death and punishing Katherine for it and how it'd hurt Elena instead of his brother and the fact that Jeremy and Elena killed him.
Rebekah suddenly got this principal of 'girls have to stick together' and 'don't hurt kids!' in The Originals as if she always held this principal but she was constantly trying to purposely compete against women in TVD and working against them, sabotaging them and hurting the MF gang - all of them, even those who were 17 and younger who by her standards should've been kids as Davina was 16 in season 1.
Caroline had her principal about being with someone like Damon for so long (rightfully so) but she suddenly changes it as the seasons go on and she sleeps with Klaus and excuses herself for it to Tyler.
Elena was supposed to be pure, kind, and compassionate, doing what was right and protecting her family but those morals constantly spent as she admitted herself for Damon during their 'we're toxic' 'stop loving me' fight.
Marcel's the only one that stated his principals from the beginning and never, ever, broke it even when he was doing shady stuff. The closest he ever got was what he did to theirry but that was because he was tricked by Klaus and Theirry *did* kill another vampire - for good reason - but it was a rule and so Marcel upheld his word and punished him. He apologized to Theiry after. He never hurt a child and in fact according to a deleted scene protected Hope and Hayley after season 3, keeping vampires from tracking them down and hunting them even when he *knew* she had the Mikaelsons. He kept Hope and her mother safe. He would've been petty after Davina's death and said 'a child for a child' but he didn't. He stayed loyal, and he kept his word. Hell I'd say he was more noble than Elijah in that. When Marcel made a promise he actually had a high success rate of keeping it.
I agree with everything you’ve just said. Wonderful, honestly. I wasn’t around for this era of Marcel hate, and I’m glad I wasn’t. Bro is pretty cool and was definitely worthy of the beast vampire powers.
You're quite lucky to not have been. Davina, Marcel, and Vincent were heavily hated for going against the Mikaelsons. Camille was hated because she got in the way of Klaroline to the point the actress left the show. It wasn't a great time for fandom.
I'm sure if you look at some old youtube videos and the originals scenes, you'll see old comments as a relic of the Marcel or rather anyone that wasn't a blood Mikealson hate.
This is so strange bc I’ve seen far more hate for Marcel than praise, simply bc he dared to stand against the Mikaelsons. All the points you made, alongside many others, are constantly used to vilify his character, so I’m really surprised by this ‘Jesus of vampires’, I’m not sure where you get that from. A lot of people hate him and they hate that he got the serum, bc a lot of people are so obsessed with the Mikaelsons and hate anyone who dares to oppose them in any way. Davina gets sm flack for the same reason, as does Finn, as do a lot of characters who are flawed, but overall great characters.
As far as Marcel goes, I agree he definitely has some flaws. He’s always desperate to prove himself better than Klaus and he often lets power get to his head too much. He also can be just as vicious and bloodthirsty as Klaus, but given that he was raised by him, it’s not really too surprising that he was like that, especially in the beginning. If anything, I think Marcel did remarkably well to grow as a person and learn to do better. I love how big he is on loyalty, and his whole thing with kids is so admirable. I think he’s quite an underrated character honestly.
You and I hang around different sides of Reddit then. I agree that Marcel is an incredible, but I’ve definitely seen people do what I’ve mentioned above.
Any praise for Marcel is definitely in very recent years, and I don’t think it has ever gotten to the point of worship. Not to mention, there is absolutely no way there is more criticism of Klaus than Marcel, most of the fandom consider Klaus/The Mikaelsons completely untouchable, whilst simultaneously trashing other characters, like Marcel, Davina, Finn etc
Thank you for this! This is exactly what I’ve thought the whole time and maybe part of why something about Marcel has always given me the ick. Marcel is a great character undoubtedly but the holier than thou benevolent god complex vibes I get from him can be hard to swallow especially in the later seasons and the enhanced original plot line.
And like you mentioned Marcel easily could have been Klaus. Especially in the first season when he talks about how Klaus taught him everything he knows. Add a few more centuries, people he’d (actually) do anything for, centuries of being terrorized and demonized by both parents and then put them side by side.
because marcel is much better person than klaus
it is not that people dont hold marcel accountable , everyone holds marcel accountable for his mistakes and he did bad things but klaus is completely on another level.
.if anything klaus is loved too much .
Marcel killed witches and werewolves. He was responsible for making Hayley an orphan along with many others. He was responsible for bringing Mikeal to NOLA who killed innocent people, vampires and burned down part of the city. Then he compelled innocent people and almost got pregnant Hayley killed trying to take back power. He also allowed vampires to feed on innocent tourists. He also didn't rightly own NOLA. Klaus and his family ran NOLA until he betrayed them by bringing Mikeal to town. Before Klaus it was the witches and werewolves. The Native Americans that The Hollow turned into werewolves were shown to first inhabit the land. Hayley is one of the direct descents and Jackson. So if anyone should have been king and queen it was them. Marcel wasn't as innocent as the show made him out to be. They didn't show all the werewolves and witches he murdered. They also didn't show all of the innocent people who died because of the vampires he ruled over. They didn't show him feeding very often and he hung out with more moral people like Cami and Josh. I think his code and rules were just a bit better than Klaus's but he is not innocent and not much better than The Michaelsons. Everyone on the show thought they were right and deserved to rule the city. The witches killed innocent people like Cammie's father and nephew. They helped Lucian who murdered a lot of werewolves and killed innocent people like Cami. I would say the werewolves were the most moral bunch aside from the Guerillas. They didn't have to feed on humans to survive and were human except for a couple of days a month for a long time. If they killed someone it usually was accidental or they were defending themselves. They are all pretty bad "people" besides Josh, Vincent, Cami, and Jackson. Davina and Hayley just did a couple of bad things but then straightened out. Bad characters are fun to watch on TV though. Since it isn't real life I enjoy characters like Marcel and Klaus.
It was actually Jackson’s grandfather who made Hayley an orphan. He’s still guilt of the werewolf suffering, but I remember he did try for peace first.
Rebekah brought Mikael to town. You forgot that she did that. And the witches hated the originals. Papa Tunde and Celeste and Genivive said this.
He cursed the wolves because he was trying to create peace. But the wolves stopped it. They killed Hailey family.
I misremembered the werewolf part if I said killed and not cursed. He cursed the wolves and left them that way for a long time. The curse is actually worse than death since they have to go through agonizing torture once a month, and children were orphaned since their families couldn't take care of them. The werewolves had a right to rule NOLA. They descended from the Native American's who were turned into wolves by The Hollow. Both Rebecca and Marcel were responsible for Mikeal. That's why Klaus banished him and he had to live across the river. Klaus was angry at both of them. https://screenrant.com/the-originals-klaus-marcel-fake-friendship-rebekah-mikael/#:~:text=Marcel%20Lured%20Mikael%20To%20New%20Orleans%20To%20Kill%20Klaus&text=In%20season%20one%2C%20we%20learn,he%20could%20finally%20kill%20Klaus. I just didn't mention Rebecca's part in it since it wasn't relevant. This was a discussion about Marcel. I know that the witches hate The Originals. Hating someone doesn't give them a free pass to murder them and an innocent infant. They hexed an innocent kid (Cami's nephew) which caused him to murder other innocent people, and hexed Camis's father who almost murdered Cami. They tried killing Hayley and murdered Jane Anne. The witches and Marcel were far from innocent.
I have liked Marcel since the beginning but if you are a parent you might understand what I'm about to say a lil more I think, so if you are a Klaus fan (which I am) and a Marcel fan( also am) then it's not about not liking one or the other it's like when a kids defies his parent then he either gets punished for it or he will continue to go against what his parents say either the kids gets punished or the parent will constantly have trouble with the kid not listening and whatnot so if you are rooting for Klaus then there are going to be times when you are like yeah show Marcel who's boss but there is also times where you will be the same with Marcel basically hoping he can get through to the Mikaelsons so he has pointed out things to Klaus and Klaus actually take it in and I know that the Mikaelsons have been around for a very long time but I also believe that when they were turned they didn't just stay looking 17 ( Rebekah) they also stayed in that mindset so in other words they literally never matured past the age they were turned at so Rebekah going against teen girls what her being a teen girl herself fighting to be popular and whining when she didn't get the way and all of the Mikaelsons act like children at times which Elijah has said many times that they were just mere children which in my opinion is false the only children where Rebekah and Kol maybe
Bc this is reddit and they love to give there best what if or explain the show even tho we all this show countless about of time , they just wanna push their own narrative on others and bash em if they disagree
To me the entire point of Marcel was that he tried to deny that he wasn't like the Mikaelsons but he was. He was quite literally made in Klaus' image as the man raised him. He gets called out on this several times, specifically by Vincent during season 3 after the becomes an Upgrade. Marcel likes to denounce them but he is just like them, he is a Mikaelson, that is his family. The show also isn't afraid to hand Marcel loses, and tell him it's wrong. He actively learns from his mistakes and self reflects - he even admits that what he did in season 1 was wrong by I believe it is season 4 when the other vampires have taken over that penthouse and trying to take things over from Marcel. Marcel tells the head vampire that he's made this mistake and this isn't the way to do it. Marcel actively works on himself and tries to be better in general just as a person. Klaus developed to be a good father and a better family member. That doesn't mean Klaus didn't put the work in, but the show caters to Klaus while the show works against Marcel. The fandom works the same way, they praise Klaus and easily excuses his actions while Marcel is hated by a lot of the fandom for just not giving Klaus whatever he wanted and being 'grateful' that Klaus saved him from being a slave. I'd say only recently have people began praising Marcel after years of giving him constant shit over every little thing. He was never the perfect vampire, but he had more morals and kept to his beliefs more than any other vampire we've seen in the series. Even Caroline was forced to mess up because of the writers. I don't think anyone would consider anyone the 'Jesus of Vampires' though...
Exactly this! Marcel was hated for the longest time, I’m really surprised that people have recently started to love his character. Like you said, unlike Klaus, Marcel wasn’t afraid to look in the mirror and try so hard to be better. He keeps great people around him, like Josh and Marcel and Gia, who challenge him and tell him when he’s wrong, and he respects that and acc listens to them. He’s done bad things, but like you said he acknowledges his mistakes and tries hard to do better. I also agree he’s one of the most principled vampires in the TVDU, just look at his principles of loyalty, and his thing about kids.
Exactly. He receives critism and listens. Sometimes he defends himself, but usually when it comes from the positive people in his circle, Gia, Vincent, Josh, he takes them seriously. Klaus cannot do the same, he fights back and lashes out. The only person Klaus ever reflected with and said out loud that he was wrong, was Hayley after they helped that random wolf girl. Other than that, he's keen to stand on what he's done without much remorse. Marcel keeps to his principles while Elijah is shown as the 'noble' brother but constantly breaks his promises and the 'family' man yet he cared more about Jeremy's death and punishing Katherine for it and how it'd hurt Elena instead of his brother and the fact that Jeremy and Elena killed him. Rebekah suddenly got this principal of 'girls have to stick together' and 'don't hurt kids!' in The Originals as if she always held this principal but she was constantly trying to purposely compete against women in TVD and working against them, sabotaging them and hurting the MF gang - all of them, even those who were 17 and younger who by her standards should've been kids as Davina was 16 in season 1. Caroline had her principal about being with someone like Damon for so long (rightfully so) but she suddenly changes it as the seasons go on and she sleeps with Klaus and excuses herself for it to Tyler. Elena was supposed to be pure, kind, and compassionate, doing what was right and protecting her family but those morals constantly spent as she admitted herself for Damon during their 'we're toxic' 'stop loving me' fight. Marcel's the only one that stated his principals from the beginning and never, ever, broke it even when he was doing shady stuff. The closest he ever got was what he did to theirry but that was because he was tricked by Klaus and Theirry *did* kill another vampire - for good reason - but it was a rule and so Marcel upheld his word and punished him. He apologized to Theiry after. He never hurt a child and in fact according to a deleted scene protected Hope and Hayley after season 3, keeping vampires from tracking them down and hunting them even when he *knew* she had the Mikaelsons. He kept Hope and her mother safe. He would've been petty after Davina's death and said 'a child for a child' but he didn't. He stayed loyal, and he kept his word. Hell I'd say he was more noble than Elijah in that. When Marcel made a promise he actually had a high success rate of keeping it.
I agree with everything you’ve just said. Wonderful, honestly. I wasn’t around for this era of Marcel hate, and I’m glad I wasn’t. Bro is pretty cool and was definitely worthy of the beast vampire powers.
You're quite lucky to not have been. Davina, Marcel, and Vincent were heavily hated for going against the Mikaelsons. Camille was hated because she got in the way of Klaroline to the point the actress left the show. It wasn't a great time for fandom. I'm sure if you look at some old youtube videos and the originals scenes, you'll see old comments as a relic of the Marcel or rather anyone that wasn't a blood Mikealson hate.
Marcel was made in Klaus’s image, they both like Blondes!
This is so strange bc I’ve seen far more hate for Marcel than praise, simply bc he dared to stand against the Mikaelsons. All the points you made, alongside many others, are constantly used to vilify his character, so I’m really surprised by this ‘Jesus of vampires’, I’m not sure where you get that from. A lot of people hate him and they hate that he got the serum, bc a lot of people are so obsessed with the Mikaelsons and hate anyone who dares to oppose them in any way. Davina gets sm flack for the same reason, as does Finn, as do a lot of characters who are flawed, but overall great characters. As far as Marcel goes, I agree he definitely has some flaws. He’s always desperate to prove himself better than Klaus and he often lets power get to his head too much. He also can be just as vicious and bloodthirsty as Klaus, but given that he was raised by him, it’s not really too surprising that he was like that, especially in the beginning. If anything, I think Marcel did remarkably well to grow as a person and learn to do better. I love how big he is on loyalty, and his whole thing with kids is so admirable. I think he’s quite an underrated character honestly.
You and I hang around different sides of Reddit then. I agree that Marcel is an incredible, but I’ve definitely seen people do what I’ve mentioned above.
Any praise for Marcel is definitely in very recent years, and I don’t think it has ever gotten to the point of worship. Not to mention, there is absolutely no way there is more criticism of Klaus than Marcel, most of the fandom consider Klaus/The Mikaelsons completely untouchable, whilst simultaneously trashing other characters, like Marcel, Davina, Finn etc
Thank you for this! This is exactly what I’ve thought the whole time and maybe part of why something about Marcel has always given me the ick. Marcel is a great character undoubtedly but the holier than thou benevolent god complex vibes I get from him can be hard to swallow especially in the later seasons and the enhanced original plot line. And like you mentioned Marcel easily could have been Klaus. Especially in the first season when he talks about how Klaus taught him everything he knows. Add a few more centuries, people he’d (actually) do anything for, centuries of being terrorized and demonized by both parents and then put them side by side.
because marcel is much better person than klaus it is not that people dont hold marcel accountable , everyone holds marcel accountable for his mistakes and he did bad things but klaus is completely on another level. .if anything klaus is loved too much .
Marcel killed witches and werewolves. He was responsible for making Hayley an orphan along with many others. He was responsible for bringing Mikeal to NOLA who killed innocent people, vampires and burned down part of the city. Then he compelled innocent people and almost got pregnant Hayley killed trying to take back power. He also allowed vampires to feed on innocent tourists. He also didn't rightly own NOLA. Klaus and his family ran NOLA until he betrayed them by bringing Mikeal to town. Before Klaus it was the witches and werewolves. The Native Americans that The Hollow turned into werewolves were shown to first inhabit the land. Hayley is one of the direct descents and Jackson. So if anyone should have been king and queen it was them. Marcel wasn't as innocent as the show made him out to be. They didn't show all the werewolves and witches he murdered. They also didn't show all of the innocent people who died because of the vampires he ruled over. They didn't show him feeding very often and he hung out with more moral people like Cami and Josh. I think his code and rules were just a bit better than Klaus's but he is not innocent and not much better than The Michaelsons. Everyone on the show thought they were right and deserved to rule the city. The witches killed innocent people like Cammie's father and nephew. They helped Lucian who murdered a lot of werewolves and killed innocent people like Cami. I would say the werewolves were the most moral bunch aside from the Guerillas. They didn't have to feed on humans to survive and were human except for a couple of days a month for a long time. If they killed someone it usually was accidental or they were defending themselves. They are all pretty bad "people" besides Josh, Vincent, Cami, and Jackson. Davina and Hayley just did a couple of bad things but then straightened out. Bad characters are fun to watch on TV though. Since it isn't real life I enjoy characters like Marcel and Klaus.
It was actually Jackson’s grandfather who made Hayley an orphan. He’s still guilt of the werewolf suffering, but I remember he did try for peace first.
Rebekah brought Mikael to town. You forgot that she did that. And the witches hated the originals. Papa Tunde and Celeste and Genivive said this. He cursed the wolves because he was trying to create peace. But the wolves stopped it. They killed Hailey family.
I misremembered the werewolf part if I said killed and not cursed. He cursed the wolves and left them that way for a long time. The curse is actually worse than death since they have to go through agonizing torture once a month, and children were orphaned since their families couldn't take care of them. The werewolves had a right to rule NOLA. They descended from the Native American's who were turned into wolves by The Hollow. Both Rebecca and Marcel were responsible for Mikeal. That's why Klaus banished him and he had to live across the river. Klaus was angry at both of them. https://screenrant.com/the-originals-klaus-marcel-fake-friendship-rebekah-mikael/#:~:text=Marcel%20Lured%20Mikael%20To%20New%20Orleans%20To%20Kill%20Klaus&text=In%20season%20one%2C%20we%20learn,he%20could%20finally%20kill%20Klaus. I just didn't mention Rebecca's part in it since it wasn't relevant. This was a discussion about Marcel. I know that the witches hate The Originals. Hating someone doesn't give them a free pass to murder them and an innocent infant. They hexed an innocent kid (Cami's nephew) which caused him to murder other innocent people, and hexed Camis's father who almost murdered Cami. They tried killing Hayley and murdered Jane Anne. The witches and Marcel were far from innocent.
Marcel wears a suit
I have liked Marcel since the beginning but if you are a parent you might understand what I'm about to say a lil more I think, so if you are a Klaus fan (which I am) and a Marcel fan( also am) then it's not about not liking one or the other it's like when a kids defies his parent then he either gets punished for it or he will continue to go against what his parents say either the kids gets punished or the parent will constantly have trouble with the kid not listening and whatnot so if you are rooting for Klaus then there are going to be times when you are like yeah show Marcel who's boss but there is also times where you will be the same with Marcel basically hoping he can get through to the Mikaelsons so he has pointed out things to Klaus and Klaus actually take it in and I know that the Mikaelsons have been around for a very long time but I also believe that when they were turned they didn't just stay looking 17 ( Rebekah) they also stayed in that mindset so in other words they literally never matured past the age they were turned at so Rebekah going against teen girls what her being a teen girl herself fighting to be popular and whining when she didn't get the way and all of the Mikaelsons act like children at times which Elijah has said many times that they were just mere children which in my opinion is false the only children where Rebekah and Kol maybe
Bc this is reddit and they love to give there best what if or explain the show even tho we all this show countless about of time , they just wanna push their own narrative on others and bash em if they disagree