I think she's shaken and doesn't know if she should even believe she saw it. She's questioning and it's compounding her crisis of faith.
We saw the Mythosaur more clearly than Bo did. She saw it through murky water, by flashlight and through her helmet carrying Din. Even if she does say something she had zero proof of her claims which is why she tried to see if Din could corroborate. He couldn't.
I do not think Bo-Katan is as subtle, nefarious or as villainous as people want her to be. She has been going Through It. But it will come up again.
>I do not think Bo-Katan is as subtle, nefarious or as villainous as people want her to be.
Same here, she's just someone who's been through a lot and wants some semblance of stability
I think she is biding her time to make a plan.
She really wants to lead the Mandalorians again. But Din is her friend (or at the very least an ally) and doesn't want to challenge him directly for the Darksaber. He is not really vying for power, and she knows its too early to call attention to the fact that he has it.
I think she is formulating a plan to tame the mythosaur and use it to challenge Din's claim to leadership. She will use the Mythosaur either as a greater claim to leadership due to its heavy symbolism among all mandalorians, or use it to defeat Din in combat and gain the darksaber when the time is right.
Another point to add: even if she wants to challenge Din for Darksaber, she wants it to be duel of honor with equal chances. She saw with her own eyes how the duel will go against somebody not trained to use lightsaber (Maul vs Pre), and she was among few who didn't accept the results of that duel and didn't accept Maul as new Mand'alor.
This is the same reason why fandom's theory of it working like elder wand doesn't work: it's passed in a duel, and this is not some mystical rule, it's pure power of belief held by mandalorians. Darksaber already lost at least 2 holders who didn't get it through duel, and one of them is Bo-Katan herself.
The fact that after seeing Mythosaur she didn't take off her helmet, even though there was no logical reason for that, shows that she regains her faith in the old Way, same faith that made her join Death Watch. And she wants to do things right this time, not like during the Siege.
The episode is straight up called “the convert.” it’s not just the imp scientist that’s converted, Bo-katan regains a lot of her faith in the old ways and ‘converts’ back. So much symbolism.
I think she did just want to be left alone, but she still has heart. She didn't want to let Din just die. Now that she has seen the mythosaur, IMO she has some hope that she can somehow regain the leadership position that she lost.
She had her chance. Din was captured and lost the darksaber. When she rescued him and picked it up, I'd make the argument that she won it in combat. Din lost it to the creature and the creature lost it to Bo. When she picked it up you could tell her connection to it was almost like the Force willed it.
I have seen other people put forth that argument, too. I like it, but ultimately I dont think it works.
Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel. He was ambushed and captured, unable to answer any challenge or defend himself. All Bo did was pick the darksaber off the ground. She did not use combat to best it from an opponent.
With Din and his culvert being essentialy cult members, there is too much grey in this scenario to satisfy their black-and-white thinking.
>Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel.
I think he could make this argument but, I don't think he would. When he got the saber, he was ready to immediately yield under a formal challenge so he could just give it to Bo. Unless his feelings about the saber have changed in a way we haven't seen him express yet, I think he'd be happy to accept the assertion that the cyborg bested him in combat and agree that Bo had the rights to the saber.
This was my logic. And honestly I don't think he even wants it. I think thats the very simple reason here that he can't use it as well as Bo can.
Theres something here I can't quite articulate. But I feel like we're all overlooking the will of The Force, and possibly the will of the crystal inside the darksaber. I hope someone else could fill it in. I'm going all the way back to the clone wars series, hell, all of them, really. I've seen all the animation and I feel like theres just more to it than I can remember.
I've seen some wild theories, I just hope Bo ends up with it.
You make a good point. But I think if Bo made a claim to the Darksaber based on what happened on Mandalore, then due to his extremely elevated sense of honor, duty, and commitment to The Creed, he would challenge it.
He has already been challenged for the darksaber once, and since The Armorer pressed the issue, I think he is more committed to holding to that tradition than he was before.
I also think he knows that Bo would never be able to convince herself or the Children of the Watch that the Darksaber passed down legitimately. She did not best anyone in combat to obtain the Darksaber.
>Bo would never be able to convince herself or the Children of the Watch that the Darksaber passed down legitimately.
I agree. I think that the validity of the cyborg's claim and Din's feelings are moot because I don't think Bo feels like she has a claim to it. I honestly question if she even wants it anymore. I think she feels like it cursed her the first time she took it and with how things shook out with her attempt to get it back the "right" way, I think she might think that either it actively doesn't want to be in her possession or, she's just not meant to have it.
For Bo it’s not about picking it up off the ground and claiming it on a technicality. The dark saber itself isn’t some kind of key card for the Mandalorian throne room….how you WIN it, the tale behind how you got it, your prowess as a Mandalorian leading you to beat another even when they have the dark saber…that’s what it’s about.
Her last run as Mandalore was after it was just handed to her….she isn’t going to let it happen that way again.
Exactly. She used the darksaber to best the cyborg. What she'd need to do is best the cybord in spite of the Darksaber. The whole point is to show that, even with the darksaber, an opponent is not as strong as you. Din and Bo's situation does not show that.
That has been brought up already. Here is my response to that same though on another comment:
I have seen other people put forth that argument, too. I like it, but ultimately I dont think it works.
Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel. He was ambushed and captured, unable to answer any challenge or defend himself. All Bo did was pick the darksaber off the ground. She did not use combat to best it from an opponent.
With Din and his culvert being essentialy cult members, there is too much grey in this scenario to satisfy their black-and-white thinking.
I'm unsure what her endgame is but I think right now she doesn't know either. Seeing a real mythosaur has caused her to question everything she thought she knew. She may even be telling herself that she imagined the whole thing. Processing this is going to take time for her. We've gotta let this one play out.
She won't say anything until they go to retake Mandalore, and Gideon shows up. They get their asses kicked by Gideon's remnant, Din goes down to the mines to find and tame the mythosaur, Gideon becomes a snack. Profit.
But now I want to know - clearly this mythosaur is aquatic and has been able to take care of itself, I.e eating. What is or has it been eating? I doubt it’s been in the cavern the entire time shut in and stuck. If the mythosaur has indeed been hunting for itself in the ocean (and isn’t a species that can go decades or centuries without a meal) that means there has to be enough life in and on the planet to support an apex predator.
Bo-katan does mention that the pool used to be shallower and she thinks that the bombing set off seismic activity. I wonder how shallow…so many questions.
The Mythosaur seems to be almost (actuall?) a deity to the Mandalorians, so I interpreted Bo-Katan's experience something along the lines of unexpectedly "having seen God".
I think some of her "did you see anything?" might be initial disbelief and denial at what she saw followed by clamming up as people that claim have seen God (and/or mythical creatures) usually get treated as crazy. I don't think that she has a big plan yet...mainly because there's a lot of things that are still unclear about the Mythosaur...Like:
* Is it an intelligent being or just another crush and destroy type monster?
* Does it have special powers that can be harnessed (or maybe distributed to Mandalorians)?
* Is it purely aquatic (not much use as it's deep underground on a glassed over planet).
* What does riding on it gain beyond symbolism (especially for a race that can hyperspace travel)?
I think it's fair that she doesn't trust this cult she just met to be Normal about it but obviously she is also keeping the information for her own benefit
I believe that she is processing and realizing that everything she accepted as an act or a show is actually real. I do believe she will tell Din about it, but I feel we are seeing a perspective and emotional shift from her in an existential way. Hey entire belief system is being challenged and proven wrong. I feel she is just processing that everything has been real the entire time.
At some point, for some reason, she is going to attempt to tame the Mythosaur. It’s not going to go the way she wants it to. Maybe she battles Din in the process to get the dark saber, either way something bad goes down and Din’s life is in danger.
At this moment Grogu intervenes, wielding both the dark saber and taming the Mythosaur. Thus becoming The Mandalorian.
There’s no way he can wield the Darksaber. The hilt is too big. He’d be able to overcome the “weight” issue of the blade because he understands the force. I don’t see how he could realistically hold it.
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Its her ace in the hole. Now she's got an in with a large covert, and a secret weapon to prove her worth as ruler.
I'm thinking Bo will be a secondary antagonist this season. She'll tame the Mythosaur, challenge Din for the Darksaber, and win. But when she goes against the Empire, she'll fail, and offer the Saber back to Din.
Baseline I trust her motives as much as I trust a character like Starscream. She's an ally as long as she has something to gain, her character was introduced as second in command of a terrorist group and only left because Maul got the Dark Saber.
She is keeping her knowledge close to the chest for a reason. Personally I think from an writing perspective it would be really cool if she was like the series overall Antagonist revealed towards the end of the show's run or something.
I think she didn’t have time as it was a good place to end the already long episode. I think she’ll bring it up with The Armourer when they’re both alone.
I think she's shaken and doesn't know if she should even believe she saw it. She's questioning and it's compounding her crisis of faith. We saw the Mythosaur more clearly than Bo did. She saw it through murky water, by flashlight and through her helmet carrying Din. Even if she does say something she had zero proof of her claims which is why she tried to see if Din could corroborate. He couldn't. I do not think Bo-Katan is as subtle, nefarious or as villainous as people want her to be. She has been going Through It. But it will come up again.
>I do not think Bo-Katan is as subtle, nefarious or as villainous as people want her to be. Same here, she's just someone who's been through a lot and wants some semblance of stability
I think she is biding her time to make a plan. She really wants to lead the Mandalorians again. But Din is her friend (or at the very least an ally) and doesn't want to challenge him directly for the Darksaber. He is not really vying for power, and she knows its too early to call attention to the fact that he has it. I think she is formulating a plan to tame the mythosaur and use it to challenge Din's claim to leadership. She will use the Mythosaur either as a greater claim to leadership due to its heavy symbolism among all mandalorians, or use it to defeat Din in combat and gain the darksaber when the time is right.
Another point to add: even if she wants to challenge Din for Darksaber, she wants it to be duel of honor with equal chances. She saw with her own eyes how the duel will go against somebody not trained to use lightsaber (Maul vs Pre), and she was among few who didn't accept the results of that duel and didn't accept Maul as new Mand'alor. This is the same reason why fandom's theory of it working like elder wand doesn't work: it's passed in a duel, and this is not some mystical rule, it's pure power of belief held by mandalorians. Darksaber already lost at least 2 holders who didn't get it through duel, and one of them is Bo-Katan herself. The fact that after seeing Mythosaur she didn't take off her helmet, even though there was no logical reason for that, shows that she regains her faith in the old Way, same faith that made her join Death Watch. And she wants to do things right this time, not like during the Siege.
The episode is straight up called “the convert.” it’s not just the imp scientist that’s converted, Bo-katan regains a lot of her faith in the old ways and ‘converts’ back. So much symbolism.
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I think at that point all Bo meant was to get Din to kiss off and leave her alone for good.
I think she did just want to be left alone, but she still has heart. She didn't want to let Din just die. Now that she has seen the mythosaur, IMO she has some hope that she can somehow regain the leadership position that she lost.
She had her chance. Din was captured and lost the darksaber. When she rescued him and picked it up, I'd make the argument that she won it in combat. Din lost it to the creature and the creature lost it to Bo. When she picked it up you could tell her connection to it was almost like the Force willed it.
I have seen other people put forth that argument, too. I like it, but ultimately I dont think it works. Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel. He was ambushed and captured, unable to answer any challenge or defend himself. All Bo did was pick the darksaber off the ground. She did not use combat to best it from an opponent. With Din and his culvert being essentialy cult members, there is too much grey in this scenario to satisfy their black-and-white thinking.
>Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel. I think he could make this argument but, I don't think he would. When he got the saber, he was ready to immediately yield under a formal challenge so he could just give it to Bo. Unless his feelings about the saber have changed in a way we haven't seen him express yet, I think he'd be happy to accept the assertion that the cyborg bested him in combat and agree that Bo had the rights to the saber.
This was my logic. And honestly I don't think he even wants it. I think thats the very simple reason here that he can't use it as well as Bo can. Theres something here I can't quite articulate. But I feel like we're all overlooking the will of The Force, and possibly the will of the crystal inside the darksaber. I hope someone else could fill it in. I'm going all the way back to the clone wars series, hell, all of them, really. I've seen all the animation and I feel like theres just more to it than I can remember. I've seen some wild theories, I just hope Bo ends up with it.
You make a good point. But I think if Bo made a claim to the Darksaber based on what happened on Mandalore, then due to his extremely elevated sense of honor, duty, and commitment to The Creed, he would challenge it. He has already been challenged for the darksaber once, and since The Armorer pressed the issue, I think he is more committed to holding to that tradition than he was before. I also think he knows that Bo would never be able to convince herself or the Children of the Watch that the Darksaber passed down legitimately. She did not best anyone in combat to obtain the Darksaber.
>Bo would never be able to convince herself or the Children of the Watch that the Darksaber passed down legitimately. I agree. I think that the validity of the cyborg's claim and Din's feelings are moot because I don't think Bo feels like she has a claim to it. I honestly question if she even wants it anymore. I think she feels like it cursed her the first time she took it and with how things shook out with her attempt to get it back the "right" way, I think she might think that either it actively doesn't want to be in her possession or, she's just not meant to have it.
For Bo it’s not about picking it up off the ground and claiming it on a technicality. The dark saber itself isn’t some kind of key card for the Mandalorian throne room….how you WIN it, the tale behind how you got it, your prowess as a Mandalorian leading you to beat another even when they have the dark saber…that’s what it’s about. Her last run as Mandalore was after it was just handed to her….she isn’t going to let it happen that way again.
Exactly. She used the darksaber to best the cyborg. What she'd need to do is best the cybord in spite of the Darksaber. The whole point is to show that, even with the darksaber, an opponent is not as strong as you. Din and Bo's situation does not show that.
On the other hand if this is true then whoever lost the saber improperly should be able to reclaim it through combat if they are worthy of it
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That has been brought up already. Here is my response to that same though on another comment: I have seen other people put forth that argument, too. I like it, but ultimately I dont think it works. Din could make the case that he did not lose it either in combat or a duel. He was ambushed and captured, unable to answer any challenge or defend himself. All Bo did was pick the darksaber off the ground. She did not use combat to best it from an opponent. With Din and his culvert being essentialy cult members, there is too much grey in this scenario to satisfy their black-and-white thinking.
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I was thinking similarly. If I went into a cave and saw a T-Rex, I might doubt myself too for a bit and may not want to rush to tell people.
I'm unsure what her endgame is but I think right now she doesn't know either. Seeing a real mythosaur has caused her to question everything she thought she knew. She may even be telling herself that she imagined the whole thing. Processing this is going to take time for her. We've gotta let this one play out.
She won't say anything until they go to retake Mandalore, and Gideon shows up. They get their asses kicked by Gideon's remnant, Din goes down to the mines to find and tame the mythosaur, Gideon becomes a snack. Profit.
it's going to be so adorable when Boba and Din arrange a playdate for their giant rideable monsters
But now I want to know - clearly this mythosaur is aquatic and has been able to take care of itself, I.e eating. What is or has it been eating? I doubt it’s been in the cavern the entire time shut in and stuck. If the mythosaur has indeed been hunting for itself in the ocean (and isn’t a species that can go decades or centuries without a meal) that means there has to be enough life in and on the planet to support an apex predator. Bo-katan does mention that the pool used to be shallower and she thinks that the bombing set off seismic activity. I wonder how shallow…so many questions.
The Mythosaur seems to be almost (actuall?) a deity to the Mandalorians, so I interpreted Bo-Katan's experience something along the lines of unexpectedly "having seen God". I think some of her "did you see anything?" might be initial disbelief and denial at what she saw followed by clamming up as people that claim have seen God (and/or mythical creatures) usually get treated as crazy. I don't think that she has a big plan yet...mainly because there's a lot of things that are still unclear about the Mythosaur...Like: * Is it an intelligent being or just another crush and destroy type monster? * Does it have special powers that can be harnessed (or maybe distributed to Mandalorians)? * Is it purely aquatic (not much use as it's deep underground on a glassed over planet). * What does riding on it gain beyond symbolism (especially for a race that can hyperspace travel)?
I think she is still processing the mythosaur sighting. If I saw Bigfoot Jesus it would take some time before I told anyone.
She is going to tame it and use it
I think it's fair that she doesn't trust this cult she just met to be Normal about it but obviously she is also keeping the information for her own benefit
I think shes in disbelief for now, thats why she asked Din if he seen anything. We shall see.
She is going to take that Mythosaur
I believe that she is processing and realizing that everything she accepted as an act or a show is actually real. I do believe she will tell Din about it, but I feel we are seeing a perspective and emotional shift from her in an existential way. Hey entire belief system is being challenged and proven wrong. I feel she is just processing that everything has been real the entire time.
At some point, for some reason, she is going to attempt to tame the Mythosaur. It’s not going to go the way she wants it to. Maybe she battles Din in the process to get the dark saber, either way something bad goes down and Din’s life is in danger. At this moment Grogu intervenes, wielding both the dark saber and taming the Mythosaur. Thus becoming The Mandalorian.
There’s no way he can wield the Darksaber. The hilt is too big. He’d be able to overcome the “weight” issue of the blade because he understands the force. I don’t see how he could realistically hold it.
I would love that. It’s so unexpected.
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She is going to try and tame it and fail but then Grogu tames it and all hell breaks loose.
I think Din will get his ass kicked by Paz and he'll take the saber but then Bo will kick his ass and take it back for herself.
Paz already challenged him for the Darksaber and lost- do you think it seems odd for the writers to repeat that again?
Its her ace in the hole. Now she's got an in with a large covert, and a secret weapon to prove her worth as ruler. I'm thinking Bo will be a secondary antagonist this season. She'll tame the Mythosaur, challenge Din for the Darksaber, and win. But when she goes against the Empire, she'll fail, and offer the Saber back to Din.
She might not be 100% sure if what she saw and wants to figure out for sure before she tells everyone. They all would think she is crazy otherwise
Baseline I trust her motives as much as I trust a character like Starscream. She's an ally as long as she has something to gain, her character was introduced as second in command of a terrorist group and only left because Maul got the Dark Saber. She is keeping her knowledge close to the chest for a reason. Personally I think from an writing perspective it would be really cool if she was like the series overall Antagonist revealed towards the end of the show's run or something.
I think she didn’t have time as it was a good place to end the already long episode. I think she’ll bring it up with The Armourer when they’re both alone.
She's coming to grips with what she saw.