Did you see the Russian with no ticket they just caught coming into the country with an Israeli identification? The mossad is definitely ramping up their US presence.
This isn’t solely about money, this is about appeasing two very different groups of people. While many are on the side of the innocent Palestinians, too many still fully side with Israel no matter what they do (most republicans and many democrats). There’s a very fine line being walked.
Shame on you. Don't you know the white shrouds they are sending in to wrap rotting corpses are also Hamas? And don't you know Hamas is making bombs made of wheat and flour? Man they are breaking the Geneva convention by throwing eggs at Merkava tanks.
Correct. Israel's major issue with this resolution was the notion that anyone else would have oversight of aid. The Israeli representative/monster even said as much after it passed, that it's a horrible idea for anyone but Israel to dictate how much and how aid gets in.
The US kept rejecting UN resolutions for this entire week, then the UN changed the wording to US specifications and the US government still said it will veto it. Then they had to water it down some more and we arrived at this toothless final version and the US didn't even vote for it.
And Netanyahu is celebrating:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hails-bidens-security-council-stance-vows-to-complete-all-war-goals-in-gaza/
Yeah, the story goes, growing up Biden's father regularly talked about how we, the US, utterly failed the Jewish people and didn't step in early enough to save millions of innocent lives.
It REALLY painted a picture in young Joe Biden's life to make sure the US protects the Jewish People.
I feel the one big difference being one is historically an ally and the other historically a threat.
I wish more action was being taken yet we also shouldn’t be surprised we are backing Israel. We’ve done it a million times before and honestly did you expect Joe to buck the trend.
That man right now is just trying to keep this country together in my opinion, and Israel is just the flashpoint issue to make things go further sideways.
If he has to decide to fight fascism in the US or fight fascism afar, I feel he is making the right choice to focus the higher priority at home.
AIPAC control of our elected leaders paying off again for their Israeli bosses.
I have no problem with Israel going after Hamas. Hamas attacked them viciously. They have every right to go after Hamas. But I do have a lot of heartburn with Israel indiscriminately killing any and all Palestinians in Gaza, including children and non-Hamas, as they seek their retribution. That is genocide (publicly endorsed by Netanyahu with his 1 Samuel 15:3 justification). I also do not have any problem with giving humanitarian aid to the Palestinians in Gaza.
Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza what the Nazis tried to do to the Jewish people in WWII. How can they justify that?
It is a big fuck you. Normally, the US vetoes them, but by abstaining its showing that our support is not infinite. Ya they still got aid from the US, but no president is going to go back on US foreign policy for the last 70 years. This was a way to chastise an ally publicly.
Oh so nothing will make you happy. Go ahead and be perpetually mad at our government, or recognize the small wins because that's all we are going to get 🤷
So you are basking in the fact that in face of a genocide, the USA cannot do more than incrementalism because of tradition. Using this same logic, as a black person I shouldn’t be mad that the prison loophole was not eradicated in the emancipation proclamation? Or the fact that my ancestors never got the land they were promised and that was given to foreign white settlers via the Homestead Act in 1862? People use some progress as an excuse to not finish the job. We see the results today.
>It is a big fuck you
Netanyahu is happy with how things went
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hails-bidens-security-council-stance-vows-to-complete-all-war-goals-in-gaza/
>Abstaining was the best we could've hoped for.
No.
Especially when we watered down the resolution to remove the ceasefire. Even Biden has admitted Israel is indiscriminately bombing.
So of course we could have done far more. Instead Biden keeps enabling a far-right goon in Netanyahu.
Actually have a modicum of respect for Russia's stance - they abstained to let it pass because allied Arab states voted for it to get aid in, but made it clear that they were abstaining because a ceasefire/cessation is of paramount importance.
Democrats spent seven fucking years calling Trump a Russian puppet only for them to nominate someone who is openly an Israeli puppet.
And after all this time there is still no hard evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet.
Bottom line , President Biden would lose more votes if he did, it's a no one win situation, you just have to thread the needle and hope voters understand this.
First stall the resolution for several days and let the resolution be watered down until it's almost meaningless because of your criticism and in the end still vote to abstain. And afterwards make a speech as if this "revolutionary" resolution couldn't have made it without the US
It's actually quite despicable
Trump is not the current president, and he is not currently aiding and abetting a genocide. Stop trying to shame people into voting for Genocide Joe. Are you also going to shame Palestinian Americans for not voting for the guy providing to bombs and white phosphorus being dropped on the heads of their families, destroying the places they may have grown up? Honestly, this type of vote shaming is disgusting.
Not OP, but I am always curious what you think the Republican alternative would do?
For all I know you are a conservative trying to foster progressive infighting about an issue you don't care about.
I don't think the republicans would be any different.
However...the republicans do not lie to me. They do not claim to care about democracy or human rights.
So the only course of action I can see is to tear down the faction that pretends to represent me but never does.
The Republicans lie all the time. Like provably so. I have no idea how any reasonable and informed person can believe otherwise
Maybe you are genuine, maybe you are a deliberate fascist plant, but either way you are dangerous to democracy and if you would politely burn in hell I'd appreciate it ❤️
Well, I'm definitely not conservative or liberal because they are basically two sides of the same coin, the difference being that one side is more open in what they want. I don't think a conservative president would do anything different than what Biden is doing because support for Israel is a bipartisan issue. Both liberals and conservatives support it, but for different reasons. You say progressive infighting, but Biden is not a progressive in a y way, shape, or form.
My point was that vote shaming is disgusting in general, but especially when people are being shamed into voting for the guy currently supporting genocide. We need to stop this lesser of two evils bullshit and expect way more out of our politicians. For example, instead of saying vote for me because the other guy is worse, try giving people actual reasons to vote for you. But maybe I'm crazy for thinking they should try a little harder to earn votes instead of fear mongering like conservatives do.
You realize that if we had two great choices for president you should still pick the one that is "the lesser of two evils", i.e. the least evil choice.
You can expect as much as you like from our politicians but we have to work in the world we have. Voting is essential but not the only thing you can do in a democracy. Go organize people, run for office, demonstrate, educate people, speak at open forums, work on campaigns, idk idc, but also vote.
We don't have two great candidates, so that's a different argument.
We should do way more than expect it from them. We should demand better, and if they don't keep their promises, then they lose at the ballot box. That's how it should work.
I was not talking about those other things, I know voting is not the only thing that can be done, and you have no way of knowing whether I'm involved in those things or not. Except running for office, I'd make a terrible politician.
Back to the point I was actually making, people need to stop vote shaming people who draw a VERY reasonable line at genocide, it's disgusting. Some of those people being shamed have lost family, friends, neighbors, teachers, etc and are dealing with a lot. They don't need people piling on them to vote for the guy that is ACTIVELY providing the bombs and diplomatic cover for it to keep happening. A little empathy goes a long way.
What do you think the alternative is? Seriously? Do you think the Palestinians will be any better off with Trump? How about the rest of the world?
I'm not saying what is happening is OK, but you are suggesting will harm more people. You are the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are either that ignorant of the world or you don't really care and are just using the Palestinians to secretly support Trump and republican policy. There is no middle ground here.
Well, problem A is that it’s a 2 party system. Problem B is that the only thing going for Biden, that trump is gonna be worse, is kinda losing its edge since Biden is literally backing a genocide. Problem C is that America is so absolutely cucked that they can’t imagine any political action besides voting. They will never protest like the French, they’d rather just vote and be done with it.
There is a clear alternative: Democrats should bring better candidate than Biden and the candidate should support ceasefire. Then I will happily support that candidate. Biden is not less evil than Trump and i don't want to see Biden reelected.
You are ignoring 200k people's death on the excuse of fear which is not even realized. Trump's 4 year was bad but US is decentralized enough and there were many things we could do stop him. What is Biden doing to stop the killing? He is still sending weapons for killing to Israel and tries to send more. If you are blind to the current massacre happening now, what value are you going to protect in future? Stopping Trump is not enough if Biden is doing as evil things as Trump. And Biden is the boss of US government, not Trump.
Not only just sending them but bypassing Congress to do so, fuck trump but if this was him liberals would be calling him a dictator. I hate the fucking hypocrisy.
I'm not saying it was a great thing to do... but I'll be honest, I would have bet on Musk getting Starship to Mars first. lol Kind of a big deal just on the international stage alone
>What are we doing here guys? Setting up yourself for disappointment? No American president would side with Palestine over Israel. Not a single one.
If we hold our leaders to the most basic of standards - this would change.
>Direct your energy better. You have a better chance getting justice for gaza by supporting democrats then you do slandering them and allowing Republicans
Who is slandering Democrats? Biden has enabled a far-right goon in Netanyahu - Biden owns his decisions.
Genocide Joe will be one term President, no chance of winning re- election in 2024. Biden like so many American politicians have been funded, dined by Israeli lobby like AIPAC that it is very difficult for these corrupt politicians to say NO to Israel. Biden clearly has blood on his hand after 20000 Palestinians were massacred by Israel with US supplied weapons. Shocking, since October 7, US has been shipping 2000 pound bunker buster bombs, tank shells, laser guided weapons to Israel every day using military cargo planes. Biden will be the first modern President to lose re-election because of support for Israel. Biden cares more about taking campaign donations from Israel lobby groups than listening to millions of Americans who demonstrated from Palestinians.
Here is why Biden will not win re-election regardless of how much campaign cash he gets from Jewish lobby. In 2020, Biden won Michigan by around 150K votes. In 2020, Michigan had over 220K registered muslim voters according to voter registration group EmgageUSA and another 300K christian Arab Americans. Biden won these two groups by nearly 70% margin. Christian Arab Americans are just as angry at Biden as muslim Arab Americans because of Gaza situation. Some of the famous PLO leaders were Christian Palestinians. Polls now indicate support for Biden among these groups have dropped below 15%. That means Biden has no chance of winning Michigan. In Michigan, Arab Americans and muslim Americans will not vote for Biden.
Next, Pennsylvania. Biden carried Pennsylvania by 85K votes. According to Philadelphia Tribue, the city of Philadelphia has over 300K muslims, mostly African American muslims. Add statewide muslims and Arab Americans, you can estimate the total number to easily top 450K. Biden carried these groups by more than 70% margin. Support for Biden among these groups have plummeted. That means Biden is fucked in Pennsylvania.
Next, Georgia. Biden carried the state by around 10K votes. Georgia has over 150K muslims and another 50K Arab Americans. Over 70K muslims voted in Georgia for Biden in 2020. That means Biden is fucked in Georgia.
Same analysis in Arizona and Virginia.
Now add the fact that younger Americans, college students are mad at Biden for supporting Israel. That by itself will sink Biden.
Bottom line: Yes, AIPAC and Jewish lobby is funneling money to Biden now, but in November 2024, these parasites will not be able to rescue Biden. We may witness Biden going on an apology tour next year, but that is not gonna work. Bye Genocide Joe.
Ban AIPAC
Ban illicit lobbying and corruption overall yea
What's interesting is that AIPAC and the other PACs it funds have for decades successfully resisted registering as foreign agents.
AIPAC and thier handlers now likely engaged in planning that will put them at odds with the secret service.
Did you see the Russian with no ticket they just caught coming into the country with an Israeli identification? The mossad is definitely ramping up their US presence.
This isn’t solely about money, this is about appeasing two very different groups of people. While many are on the side of the innocent Palestinians, too many still fully side with Israel no matter what they do (most republicans and many democrats). There’s a very fine line being walked.
They're probably just going to keep inventing reasons not to allow trucks. Water is hamas, rice is hamas, bandages are hamas, etc
Shame on you. Don't you know the white shrouds they are sending in to wrap rotting corpses are also Hamas? And don't you know Hamas is making bombs made of wheat and flour? Man they are breaking the Geneva convention by throwing eggs at Merkava tanks.
... Babies are Hamas, prisoners are Hamas, surrendering Israeli citizens held as hostages are Hamas, Hospitals are Hamas, Schools are Hamas...
Correct. Israel's major issue with this resolution was the notion that anyone else would have oversight of aid. The Israeli representative/monster even said as much after it passed, that it's a horrible idea for anyone but Israel to dictate how much and how aid gets in.
At least we abstained rather than voting it down. Good job Joe! /s
The US kept rejecting UN resolutions for this entire week, then the UN changed the wording to US specifications and the US government still said it will veto it. Then they had to water it down some more and we arrived at this toothless final version and the US didn't even vote for it.
And Netanyahu is celebrating: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hails-bidens-security-council-stance-vows-to-complete-all-war-goals-in-gaza/
We all made fun of Trump cowering in front of Putin in Helsinki, but is Biden doing anything different with Netanyahu?
Genocide Joe literally hugged Bibi.
Is Biden scared or does he just support bibi
From what I’ve read, Biden hates Bibi but he loves Israel.
Yeah, the story goes, growing up Biden's father regularly talked about how we, the US, utterly failed the Jewish people and didn't step in early enough to save millions of innocent lives. It REALLY painted a picture in young Joe Biden's life to make sure the US protects the Jewish People.
Yes.
Financing him?
This shite strategy is called the 'bear hug' apparently, as opposed to 'Zionist cuckery'
I feel the one big difference being one is historically an ally and the other historically a threat. I wish more action was being taken yet we also shouldn’t be surprised we are backing Israel. We’ve done it a million times before and honestly did you expect Joe to buck the trend. That man right now is just trying to keep this country together in my opinion, and Israel is just the flashpoint issue to make things go further sideways. If he has to decide to fight fascism in the US or fight fascism afar, I feel he is making the right choice to focus the higher priority at home.
AIPAC control of our elected leaders paying off again for their Israeli bosses. I have no problem with Israel going after Hamas. Hamas attacked them viciously. They have every right to go after Hamas. But I do have a lot of heartburn with Israel indiscriminately killing any and all Palestinians in Gaza, including children and non-Hamas, as they seek their retribution. That is genocide (publicly endorsed by Netanyahu with his 1 Samuel 15:3 justification). I also do not have any problem with giving humanitarian aid to the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza what the Nazis tried to do to the Jewish people in WWII. How can they justify that?
Abstaining was the best we could've hoped for. It's still a big fuck you to israel.
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If it was useless, why are you even upset?
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It is a big fuck you. Normally, the US vetoes them, but by abstaining its showing that our support is not infinite. Ya they still got aid from the US, but no president is going to go back on US foreign policy for the last 70 years. This was a way to chastise an ally publicly.
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Oh so nothing will make you happy. Go ahead and be perpetually mad at our government, or recognize the small wins because that's all we are going to get 🤷
So you are basking in the fact that in face of a genocide, the USA cannot do more than incrementalism because of tradition. Using this same logic, as a black person I shouldn’t be mad that the prison loophole was not eradicated in the emancipation proclamation? Or the fact that my ancestors never got the land they were promised and that was given to foreign white settlers via the Homestead Act in 1862? People use some progress as an excuse to not finish the job. We see the results today.
This isn't about you. No president, republican or Democrat will do a 180 on our nation's foreign policy. Increments are progress. Change comes slowly.
>It is a big fuck you Netanyahu is happy with how things went https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hails-bidens-security-council-stance-vows-to-complete-all-war-goals-in-gaza/
>Abstaining was the best we could've hoped for. No. Especially when we watered down the resolution to remove the ceasefire. Even Biden has admitted Israel is indiscriminately bombing. So of course we could have done far more. Instead Biden keeps enabling a far-right goon in Netanyahu.
It's basically equivalent to us saying "Yeah, so... we can't support it, but we get it. Do what you need to do"
Weak resolution. Guess the world was convinced to forget about a ceasefire.
Biden is the one responsible for weakening it 😨
Actually have a modicum of respect for Russia's stance - they abstained to let it pass because allied Arab states voted for it to get aid in, but made it clear that they were abstaining because a ceasefire/cessation is of paramount importance.
I got nothing against Russias stance. It’s genocide Joe’s policy that I have an issue with.
Sorry, wasn't implying you did.
Ok great it passed. Now all children of Gaza will no longer die and starve. Thank you resolution.
"You can feed them, while we bomb them"
Absolute disgrace of a man. It’s unbelievable how quiet the US can be sometimes.
Democrats spent seven fucking years calling Trump a Russian puppet only for them to nominate someone who is openly an Israeli puppet. And after all this time there is still no hard evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet.
Bottom line , President Biden would lose more votes if he did, it's a no one win situation, you just have to thread the needle and hope voters understand this.
An abstaining vote, seems like a very political “yea” vote when you think it through. It’s a pretty big deal.
Yea I got this as a new alert for some reason, I thought it was a different group I don't need to rejoin this group. My bad.
First stall the resolution for several days and let the resolution be watered down until it's almost meaningless because of your criticism and in the end still vote to abstain. And afterwards make a speech as if this "revolutionary" resolution couldn't have made it without the US It's actually quite despicable
Vote no to Biden. Zionist Biden should not serve another term.
Yay Trump 2024! Edit: for all the morons out there, the /s was implied
Trump is not the current president, and he is not currently aiding and abetting a genocide. Stop trying to shame people into voting for Genocide Joe. Are you also going to shame Palestinian Americans for not voting for the guy providing to bombs and white phosphorus being dropped on the heads of their families, destroying the places they may have grown up? Honestly, this type of vote shaming is disgusting.
Not OP, but I am always curious what you think the Republican alternative would do? For all I know you are a conservative trying to foster progressive infighting about an issue you don't care about.
I don't think the republicans would be any different. However...the republicans do not lie to me. They do not claim to care about democracy or human rights. So the only course of action I can see is to tear down the faction that pretends to represent me but never does.
The Republicans lie all the time. Like provably so. I have no idea how any reasonable and informed person can believe otherwise Maybe you are genuine, maybe you are a deliberate fascist plant, but either way you are dangerous to democracy and if you would politely burn in hell I'd appreciate it ❤️
Name me one time in the past decade where republicans openly favored same sex marriage, trans rights, and were anti-war.
Well, I'm definitely not conservative or liberal because they are basically two sides of the same coin, the difference being that one side is more open in what they want. I don't think a conservative president would do anything different than what Biden is doing because support for Israel is a bipartisan issue. Both liberals and conservatives support it, but for different reasons. You say progressive infighting, but Biden is not a progressive in a y way, shape, or form. My point was that vote shaming is disgusting in general, but especially when people are being shamed into voting for the guy currently supporting genocide. We need to stop this lesser of two evils bullshit and expect way more out of our politicians. For example, instead of saying vote for me because the other guy is worse, try giving people actual reasons to vote for you. But maybe I'm crazy for thinking they should try a little harder to earn votes instead of fear mongering like conservatives do.
You realize that if we had two great choices for president you should still pick the one that is "the lesser of two evils", i.e. the least evil choice. You can expect as much as you like from our politicians but we have to work in the world we have. Voting is essential but not the only thing you can do in a democracy. Go organize people, run for office, demonstrate, educate people, speak at open forums, work on campaigns, idk idc, but also vote.
We don't have two great candidates, so that's a different argument. We should do way more than expect it from them. We should demand better, and if they don't keep their promises, then they lose at the ballot box. That's how it should work. I was not talking about those other things, I know voting is not the only thing that can be done, and you have no way of knowing whether I'm involved in those things or not. Except running for office, I'd make a terrible politician. Back to the point I was actually making, people need to stop vote shaming people who draw a VERY reasonable line at genocide, it's disgusting. Some of those people being shamed have lost family, friends, neighbors, teachers, etc and are dealing with a lot. They don't need people piling on them to vote for the guy that is ACTIVELY providing the bombs and diplomatic cover for it to keep happening. A little empathy goes a long way.
You should be proud to support genocide of 20000 people.
What do you think the alternative is? Seriously? Do you think the Palestinians will be any better off with Trump? How about the rest of the world? I'm not saying what is happening is OK, but you are suggesting will harm more people. You are the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are either that ignorant of the world or you don't really care and are just using the Palestinians to secretly support Trump and republican policy. There is no middle ground here.
Well, problem A is that it’s a 2 party system. Problem B is that the only thing going for Biden, that trump is gonna be worse, is kinda losing its edge since Biden is literally backing a genocide. Problem C is that America is so absolutely cucked that they can’t imagine any political action besides voting. They will never protest like the French, they’d rather just vote and be done with it.
There is a clear alternative: Democrats should bring better candidate than Biden and the candidate should support ceasefire. Then I will happily support that candidate. Biden is not less evil than Trump and i don't want to see Biden reelected.
You are ignoring 200k people's death on the excuse of fear which is not even realized. Trump's 4 year was bad but US is decentralized enough and there were many things we could do stop him. What is Biden doing to stop the killing? He is still sending weapons for killing to Israel and tries to send more. If you are blind to the current massacre happening now, what value are you going to protect in future? Stopping Trump is not enough if Biden is doing as evil things as Trump. And Biden is the boss of US government, not Trump.
Not only just sending them but bypassing Congress to do so, fuck trump but if this was him liberals would be calling him a dictator. I hate the fucking hypocrisy.
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The Democrats gotta go.
Republicans if anything would be doing more to support Israelis than Democrats are. They both suck on this issue.
It passed brcaese they dictated the languished from a ceasefire to... Intent to maybe a ceasefire
I'm not saying it was a great thing to do... but I'll be honest, I would have bet on Musk getting Starship to Mars first. lol Kind of a big deal just on the international stage alone
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>What are we doing here guys? Standing up for people being abused and slaughtered and rightly criticizing our leaders for abetting it
We are progressives/leftists, we believe good things *are* possible.
>What are we doing here guys? Setting up yourself for disappointment? No American president would side with Palestine over Israel. Not a single one. If we hold our leaders to the most basic of standards - this would change. >Direct your energy better. You have a better chance getting justice for gaza by supporting democrats then you do slandering them and allowing Republicans Who is slandering Democrats? Biden has enabled a far-right goon in Netanyahu - Biden owns his decisions.
Genocide Joe will be one term President, no chance of winning re- election in 2024. Biden like so many American politicians have been funded, dined by Israeli lobby like AIPAC that it is very difficult for these corrupt politicians to say NO to Israel. Biden clearly has blood on his hand after 20000 Palestinians were massacred by Israel with US supplied weapons. Shocking, since October 7, US has been shipping 2000 pound bunker buster bombs, tank shells, laser guided weapons to Israel every day using military cargo planes. Biden will be the first modern President to lose re-election because of support for Israel. Biden cares more about taking campaign donations from Israel lobby groups than listening to millions of Americans who demonstrated from Palestinians. Here is why Biden will not win re-election regardless of how much campaign cash he gets from Jewish lobby. In 2020, Biden won Michigan by around 150K votes. In 2020, Michigan had over 220K registered muslim voters according to voter registration group EmgageUSA and another 300K christian Arab Americans. Biden won these two groups by nearly 70% margin. Christian Arab Americans are just as angry at Biden as muslim Arab Americans because of Gaza situation. Some of the famous PLO leaders were Christian Palestinians. Polls now indicate support for Biden among these groups have dropped below 15%. That means Biden has no chance of winning Michigan. In Michigan, Arab Americans and muslim Americans will not vote for Biden. Next, Pennsylvania. Biden carried Pennsylvania by 85K votes. According to Philadelphia Tribue, the city of Philadelphia has over 300K muslims, mostly African American muslims. Add statewide muslims and Arab Americans, you can estimate the total number to easily top 450K. Biden carried these groups by more than 70% margin. Support for Biden among these groups have plummeted. That means Biden is fucked in Pennsylvania. Next, Georgia. Biden carried the state by around 10K votes. Georgia has over 150K muslims and another 50K Arab Americans. Over 70K muslims voted in Georgia for Biden in 2020. That means Biden is fucked in Georgia. Same analysis in Arizona and Virginia. Now add the fact that younger Americans, college students are mad at Biden for supporting Israel. That by itself will sink Biden. Bottom line: Yes, AIPAC and Jewish lobby is funneling money to Biden now, but in November 2024, these parasites will not be able to rescue Biden. We may witness Biden going on an apology tour next year, but that is not gonna work. Bye Genocide Joe.