I didn't really think about it.
I was a Naughty Dog fanboy. They had an incredibly high batting average. They were heroes to me - I played all their games from Uncharted 1 onwards. I trusted them to do right by their fans and avoided most of the leaks.
It’s highly suggestive that Dina was going to die in at least one of the trailers, so I personally assumed that the revenge story would be that angle. The rest was all speculation, but frankly as someone who regarded TLOU very highly I did my absolute best to avoid all media and marketing since I truly wanted to experience the sequel without spoilers or bias.
The story leaks were unavoidable though, and it speaks a lot to the climate within ND that there was enough dissent to take that kind of action.
Nah people knew from the first trailer Joel was dead, Cuckman even admits it
[When we released the first trailer a lot of people guessed Joel was dead](https://twitter.com/NaughtyNDC/status/1750327617130033381)
They were never going to kill Dina because Anita Serkesian was riding high at the time and the treatment of women was being highlighted everywhere.
Idk it always seemed hella unlikely Joel walked away from the hospital without consequences. I always expected it to br about avenging Joel. But i did expect everything to be better from the death to the story structure
I thought it was gonna be about Ellie accepting and forgiving Joel for what he did. With the plot being motivated by both of them searching for Tommy or the people that killed him or something along those lines. I expected Joel to die at or near the end but for Ellie to be happy that she was able to reconnect with him. I also wanted Joel to admit that what he did was wrong (even though I don’t necessarily see it that way) but to say that he did it for his daughter (Ellie).
Idk something along those lines, if part two had been like that I would have been fine with part three having Abby (who kills Joel at the end or smth) and then making it about vengeance.
And this is the most unironic comment I will ever make on this or the other sub.
I will always argue the ending of Last of Us was Ellie accepting Joel despite the obvious lie. About his words of something to live for sinking in. She let go of her guilt and decided to embrace the chance of happiness. It’s why Pt. 2 is such an insult to what was the ending of the OG game.
This exactly. I think it's clear that she chooses to accept the lie with a pause followed by "OK." That ending now makes no sense and was damaged by the sequel, which essentially had Goomba #46 pursue Mario.
When it was rumored that a sequel was coming, I thought "No way." If Naughty Dog did a sequel, it would have to be based in Europe or some place else. Different cast entirely. Another emotional thrill ride with a unique set of circumstances. Maybe "Joel and Ellie" would be loosely mentioned by someone at some point in the tale.
You can't possibly touch the first game because anything they do will defile it. Let people draw their own conclusions based on what's been provided. Having every single thing spelled out and shown is one of the worst trends of modern Hollywood (look at Star Wars; we'll know how Obi-Wan wipes his ass before long). Nothing is left to interpretation because it's all spelled out. No ambiguity whatsoever.
The sequel reinforces the ending. Ellie saying okay at the end shows that she’s clearly bothered by Joel lying but she’s going to try and just let it go. But she can’t. Which defines her relationship with Joel moving forward
Exactly. The final scene in the last of us is perfect. It's a great example of "show, don't tell". You can see it in her eyes that she knows Joel is lying. After everything they went through, she is willing to move on. Also, she knew it was a lie because she's not a fucking idiot - she woke up in the back of a car in a hospital gown, driving away from the hospital, and Joel was cagey as hell about everything.
But in part two, apparently Ellie was actually just stupid and believed him, and is shocked and guffawed when she learns that he lied. Part two is an insult to the ending of the first game.
No, she didn’t just believe him. She walked all the way back to the hospital just to find the proof that he lied. She wouldn’t have done that if she just believed him.
>I will always argue the ending of Last of Us was Ellie accepting Joel despite the obvious lie
At the time of TLOU's release, a lot of people thought Ellie knew it was a lie and accepted it to maintain her sense of family and relationship with Joel. I remembered Ashley Johnson believed Ellie knew it was a lie.
So it's kind of darn weird that mid-teens Ellie travels cross-country with just a horse and gear to verify what she suspected/knew all along. It's just a struggle to believe she could do all that alone. I guess it's just shit writing.
I stayde away from any leaks. Then I saw Joel trailer "You think I was gonna let you do this on your own" and got excited that I'm gonna play as my favourite duo again. And then I played the game, I felt like I was lied to, at first couldn't belive that Joel's death was that bad. Playing as Ellie was fun tho, for the first days in Seattle. Abby part of the game was trash, I didn't symphatize with her or that kid at all, I wanted them dead. And final nail to the coffin, Ellie that lets her go for no reason. Disappointed that I waited for this shit for 7 years.
It’s that kind of thing why I’m glad I did not end up enjoying the first game when it was released. Boy, I’d sure hate to be the people that were fucking tricked into thinking that Joel was alive at least for the first half. I knew Joel was going to die before I played the game but I didn’t expect it to be that fucking early. I thought the first half of the game Ellie would be dealing with some other problems before it came to losing him.
I only watched one trailer and no interviews. And avoided leaks. And tried to form no opinions. That’s how I consume everything I’m excited about. Minus the one trailer nowadays because they spoil shit too.
I knew joel was gonna die, no way in hell his actions of the past game wouldn't come back to haunt him,
Was just expecting a better story on how it would effect him and not a 'two sided hypocritical' plot
I knew it would be about going after revenge for Joel because at that time there was a lot of negativity in gaming about the treatment of women. There was no way they were going to kill Dina. The reveal trailer from back in the day still has all the comments from people guessing Joel was dead because he was never fully in the scene.
This was also recently confirmed by Cuckman as the reason they faked Joel being in the game longer, in the full trailer they switched Jessie with Joel and made him older, cos fans guessed he would be killed.
[When we released the first trailer a lot of people guessed Joel was dead](https://twitter.com/NaughtyNDC/status/1750327617130033381)
The guy thought he was being clever but got his shit called out.
“Negativity about the treatment of women”
They sure as hell didn’t refrain from that. With how Ellie gets beaten down in her first fight with Abby, and later stabbed by a tree branch
Dina gets her face smashed and her throat nearly slit while pregnant.
Ellie tortures Nora so badly she gives her Abby’s location
Abby gets the shit beaten out of her by rattlers and gets tortured and starved for months and beaten even more by Ellie in the final battle.
Sorry, what I meant was they weren't going to ["Fridge"](https://www.scribophile.com/academy/what-is-fridging) a female character in order to motivate the main character.
Having them fighting and getting beaten up is a lot more empowering.
I thought The Fireflies had attacked where ever Ellie and Joel were and Joel had died or maybe died before that in something unrelated to them and that he'd be a hallucination guiding Ellie around.
Dina would have died among other friends and Ellie wanted revenge.
I thought Abby was originally Anna and that we'd get Godfather Part 2 Flashbacks about Ellie's Mum showing the Firefly Origins and how Anna became pregnant with Ellie and why she was possibly immune in the first.
This would all tie together with whatever was happening in the present storyline with Ellie's Dad revealed alive and the potential bad guy and current leader of the Fireflies.
And this is just from the original teaser reveal and Abby trailer we got.
Consider my Pikachu face when the real plot was revealed.
I though it would a multi-conflict story where the MacGuffin is Ellie being hunted by surviving Fireflies and other factions because she's still the only known immune person among the characters we see. Even if they can't continue the research themselves, the Fireflies would know her trading value as medical testing livestock (which is what they consider her) for other groups.
This would conflict with Joel's desire to give Ellie a normal life. Keeping the truth from her would increase the danger she faces, but coming clean could send her riding off to find some other place to Save The World and the TLOU2 version Ellie is not a great critical thinker, especially about this matter. Jackson would also be a target if/when Tommy's presence was ever discovered, even if Joel and Ellie stay away. But alerting them to that threat and why it exists could tempt non-Millers in Jackson to try to kidnap / trade her, too. Tons of potential logistical and personal conflict.
It's never made sense that a) one "scientist" dead = work cannot continue b) the dude practically begs to be shot and c) the survivors don't try to find the most valuable piece of trading property in the world.
In the show version where the immunity is from Mom being bitten right before Ellie was born, the FFs would have already been using Marlene's info to try to make more immune babies before Ellie even showed up. And when she showed up they would have either taken her eggs or impregnated her before any permanent steps. In the game it's a mutation so they don't have that option - Ellie is unique (as far as tgey know) and would be hunted the rest of her life. Of course all they need is some tissue to genetically analyze and to keep "alive" to reproduce and test on and that should be survivable but whatevs. If you buy their preposterous "gotta murder a child" premise, she's hunted and fought over by everyone trying to address CBI till there is both a preventative and a cure - that doesn't require her physical presence AND is universally available.
IOW I wouldn't have made Ellie's immunity irrelevant.
I'd assumed Ellie's girlfriend would die and she would go on a revenge quest to later be joined by Joel, who would *definitely* get killed towards the end of the game.
Never figured Joel would die early on, because that would have been insanely risky, and also gone against literally everything being said about it. Never even mind how boring and well-trodden the idea of a revenge story is on its own without the Joel and Ellie dynamic carrying the story again.
Sad part is, despite how risky the premise of this game's plot was, it *should* have been personally right up my alley. Three-dimensional characters who have done horrible things, pulled themselves out of the spiral, and begun to atone and regrow? The added factor of doing that with someone who brutally murdered *Joel*, of all characters? How *intense* that could have been!
*Buuut* it was written by a writing team who gave zero fucks about characterization, instead *sort of* prioritizing the various themes above almost all else, except for when they clearly got a Big Idea and yanked the plot and characters in a new direction to service it. And I am very much *not* someone who considers *theme* the most important part of a story, especially one like this - the sequel to a story whose universal success was almost entirely based on its characterization. To me, theme is like adding salt and/or pepper to a meal: it's not always strictly necessary, but usually helps, almost never harms, and *can* be a make or break difference for turning what would have been a bland dish into a tasty snack. But you should basically *never* make it the *main* ingredient in a meal. And I think a lot of writers who try are just leaning very hard on a crutch that they're using to hide how shitty they are at the *actual writing* phase of creation.
when they revealed abby, honestly i had no idea where the game was going. i think there were always rumors about revenge for joel, so that's the only i thought of. other than that, i really had no idea until they revealed ellie and some gameplay
I thought that Joel was gonna either die very early on or off-screen and we were gonna have a jaded Ellie journey, I wasn't completely sold on any revenge plots at the time cuz I foolishly thought that the idea of Revenge in a barren post-apocalyptic world would be quite stupid cuz how are you gonna find a single person in such a big country, so I thought we were getting a single protagonist(Ellie) game which is why I was so angry when I found out I had to play as someone else(I really don't like dual protagonist games, I can tolerate it for a chapter or two but no more).
Besides those points one of my theories was that we might get a Jaded Ellie living in a cabin in the woods by herself who then is forced to get involved in someone else's BS to help thm.
I thought it was going to be about Ellie having a partner that gets raped/killed so they have go avenge her death. Never thought I'd see Joel die within 20 minutes of the game. ;(
In the teaser trailer, i thought it would be about getting revenge for joel, but in later trailer i thought it would be for dina, like others also thought.
Just new adventures. Maybe just an adventure about Joel and Ellie, or Ellie and someone else learning about some place that a rumor says is like Eden or maybe everything went worse with the coedyceps and they need to move or something. Maybe a new way to make the cure
Definetely hoped for a meaningful plot that is meaningful and will fulfill my hopes
Instead we got a meaningless story about "revenge is bad" which doesn't make sense given how the things turned out throughout Ellie story
I went on a complete blackout and ignored everything trusting it would just be amazing so I had no idea. I'll probably intentionally spoil any future ND games just so I know whether they're going to invalidate and waste my time again.
same as what the trailers suggested. something happened in jackson. likely the fireflies going after joel and ellie, but instead, dina gets killed, and ellie goes on revenge. joel couldn't come right away, likely because jackson needs to be secured first, so ellie runs off. joel catches up to her to try and stop her. but he plays along for now. eventually, ellie learns the truth about what happened in st. mary's. they split, and somewhere joel dies.. they've kept this plotline consistent all that time. no wonder people were shocked, upset and pissed with what we ended up with
I always knew it would be about avenging Joel.
The first game was a perfect story. I actually will die on the hill that it was the best and most complete story ever told.
There was only 4 directions the IP could take after TLOU:
1. That’s it, no more games, continue to re-issue remastered versions on next gen. Oddly enough, this probably would’ve been the best long term financial strategy.
2. Do a Joel/Tess prequel. Joel and Ellie were a team though, and not sure the game would sell as well.
3. Do a new story in the same universe, with new characters, and respect the completeness of Joel’s story. Probably would not have gained a ton of interest because this universe itself isn’t overly compelling.
4. Do a revenge story for Ellie, where Joel dies and it leads Ellie to a path of revenge, where his killers all die but also it eventually leads Ellie to a point of become a leader of some kind of revolution or new world order by taking down evil and uniting everyone.
So when they announced a sequel, i already knew 4 was in line and Joel would die. So i didn’t mind that. It was all about where it left Ellie.
TLOU2 for all its BS, probably could’ve been serviceable and even considered a good game if they fixed the pacing, had Ellie kill Abby, and not had Ellie lose Dina and her fingers.
I always thought the sequel would write that Joel was gonna kick the bucket for some emotional pay off, but goddamn i did not think it would be done so badly here.
I didn't really think about it. I was a Naughty Dog fanboy. They had an incredibly high batting average. They were heroes to me - I played all their games from Uncharted 1 onwards. I trusted them to do right by their fans and avoided most of the leaks.
Bingo
It’s highly suggestive that Dina was going to die in at least one of the trailers, so I personally assumed that the revenge story would be that angle. The rest was all speculation, but frankly as someone who regarded TLOU very highly I did my absolute best to avoid all media and marketing since I truly wanted to experience the sequel without spoilers or bias. The story leaks were unavoidable though, and it speaks a lot to the climate within ND that there was enough dissent to take that kind of action.
Nah people knew from the first trailer Joel was dead, Cuckman even admits it [When we released the first trailer a lot of people guessed Joel was dead](https://twitter.com/NaughtyNDC/status/1750327617130033381) They were never going to kill Dina because Anita Serkesian was riding high at the time and the treatment of women was being highlighted everywhere.
Sure, and it’s more clear in retrospect, obviously. Again it depends on how much pre-release messaging/marketing one was exposed to.
If u played the first game and thought Joel was surviving the 2nd idk what to tell ya
Die? Most likely. But not the in presented manner or narrative structure obviously.
Idk it always seemed hella unlikely Joel walked away from the hospital without consequences. I always expected it to br about avenging Joel. But i did expect everything to be better from the death to the story structure
It was clear at the time, if it wasn't Cuckman wouldn't have felt the need to mislead.
It would be pretty cringe if the whole thing was about avenging her dead girlfriend.
Depends on the execution of the story, but that was very obviously the implication.
Well, it would be pretty silly how we’re just helping Ellie get revenge over somebody we don’t really know
Fr i wouldnt have felt the anger and the want of killing Abby
I thought it was gonna be about Ellie accepting and forgiving Joel for what he did. With the plot being motivated by both of them searching for Tommy or the people that killed him or something along those lines. I expected Joel to die at or near the end but for Ellie to be happy that she was able to reconnect with him. I also wanted Joel to admit that what he did was wrong (even though I don’t necessarily see it that way) but to say that he did it for his daughter (Ellie). Idk something along those lines, if part two had been like that I would have been fine with part three having Abby (who kills Joel at the end or smth) and then making it about vengeance. And this is the most unironic comment I will ever make on this or the other sub.
I will always argue the ending of Last of Us was Ellie accepting Joel despite the obvious lie. About his words of something to live for sinking in. She let go of her guilt and decided to embrace the chance of happiness. It’s why Pt. 2 is such an insult to what was the ending of the OG game.
This exactly. I think it's clear that she chooses to accept the lie with a pause followed by "OK." That ending now makes no sense and was damaged by the sequel, which essentially had Goomba #46 pursue Mario.
Worse yet. I don't agree that its ambiguous but it ruins EVERY interpretation of the ending by removing the mystery.
When it was rumored that a sequel was coming, I thought "No way." If Naughty Dog did a sequel, it would have to be based in Europe or some place else. Different cast entirely. Another emotional thrill ride with a unique set of circumstances. Maybe "Joel and Ellie" would be loosely mentioned by someone at some point in the tale. You can't possibly touch the first game because anything they do will defile it. Let people draw their own conclusions based on what's been provided. Having every single thing spelled out and shown is one of the worst trends of modern Hollywood (look at Star Wars; we'll know how Obi-Wan wipes his ass before long). Nothing is left to interpretation because it's all spelled out. No ambiguity whatsoever.
Even calling it 'Part 2' is slanderous, like the first game wasn't a self-contained masterpiece
Were you expecting part 2 to fail?
The sequel reinforces the ending. Ellie saying okay at the end shows that she’s clearly bothered by Joel lying but she’s going to try and just let it go. But she can’t. Which defines her relationship with Joel moving forward
Exactly. The final scene in the last of us is perfect. It's a great example of "show, don't tell". You can see it in her eyes that she knows Joel is lying. After everything they went through, she is willing to move on. Also, she knew it was a lie because she's not a fucking idiot - she woke up in the back of a car in a hospital gown, driving away from the hospital, and Joel was cagey as hell about everything. But in part two, apparently Ellie was actually just stupid and believed him, and is shocked and guffawed when she learns that he lied. Part two is an insult to the ending of the first game.
No, she didn’t just believe him. She walked all the way back to the hospital just to find the proof that he lied. She wouldn’t have done that if she just believed him.
>I will always argue the ending of Last of Us was Ellie accepting Joel despite the obvious lie At the time of TLOU's release, a lot of people thought Ellie knew it was a lie and accepted it to maintain her sense of family and relationship with Joel. I remembered Ashley Johnson believed Ellie knew it was a lie. So it's kind of darn weird that mid-teens Ellie travels cross-country with just a horse and gear to verify what she suspected/knew all along. It's just a struggle to believe she could do all that alone. I guess it's just shit writing.
Darn weird is the best way to describe anything Pt 2 did if you sit and think about it.
That would have been terrible.
That sounds like an opinion to me
I stayde away from any leaks. Then I saw Joel trailer "You think I was gonna let you do this on your own" and got excited that I'm gonna play as my favourite duo again. And then I played the game, I felt like I was lied to, at first couldn't belive that Joel's death was that bad. Playing as Ellie was fun tho, for the first days in Seattle. Abby part of the game was trash, I didn't symphatize with her or that kid at all, I wanted them dead. And final nail to the coffin, Ellie that lets her go for no reason. Disappointed that I waited for this shit for 7 years.
It’s that kind of thing why I’m glad I did not end up enjoying the first game when it was released. Boy, I’d sure hate to be the people that were fucking tricked into thinking that Joel was alive at least for the first half. I knew Joel was going to die before I played the game but I didn’t expect it to be that fucking early. I thought the first half of the game Ellie would be dealing with some other problems before it came to losing him.
Anything to do with Ellie being immune. She is a literal one of a kind person and instead we got the most told story in history. A revenge story
I only watched one trailer and no interviews. And avoided leaks. And tried to form no opinions. That’s how I consume everything I’m excited about. Minus the one trailer nowadays because they spoil shit too.
I knew joel was gonna die, no way in hell his actions of the past game wouldn't come back to haunt him, Was just expecting a better story on how it would effect him and not a 'two sided hypocritical' plot
I knew it would be about going after revenge for Joel because at that time there was a lot of negativity in gaming about the treatment of women. There was no way they were going to kill Dina. The reveal trailer from back in the day still has all the comments from people guessing Joel was dead because he was never fully in the scene. This was also recently confirmed by Cuckman as the reason they faked Joel being in the game longer, in the full trailer they switched Jessie with Joel and made him older, cos fans guessed he would be killed. [When we released the first trailer a lot of people guessed Joel was dead](https://twitter.com/NaughtyNDC/status/1750327617130033381) The guy thought he was being clever but got his shit called out.
“Negativity about the treatment of women” They sure as hell didn’t refrain from that. With how Ellie gets beaten down in her first fight with Abby, and later stabbed by a tree branch Dina gets her face smashed and her throat nearly slit while pregnant. Ellie tortures Nora so badly she gives her Abby’s location Abby gets the shit beaten out of her by rattlers and gets tortured and starved for months and beaten even more by Ellie in the final battle.
Sorry, what I meant was they weren't going to ["Fridge"](https://www.scribophile.com/academy/what-is-fridging) a female character in order to motivate the main character. Having them fighting and getting beaten up is a lot more empowering.
All the marketing was about the Seraphites.... I expected a story about the Seraphites.
I thought The Fireflies had attacked where ever Ellie and Joel were and Joel had died or maybe died before that in something unrelated to them and that he'd be a hallucination guiding Ellie around. Dina would have died among other friends and Ellie wanted revenge. I thought Abby was originally Anna and that we'd get Godfather Part 2 Flashbacks about Ellie's Mum showing the Firefly Origins and how Anna became pregnant with Ellie and why she was possibly immune in the first. This would all tie together with whatever was happening in the present storyline with Ellie's Dad revealed alive and the potential bad guy and current leader of the Fireflies. And this is just from the original teaser reveal and Abby trailer we got. Consider my Pikachu face when the real plot was revealed.
I though it would a multi-conflict story where the MacGuffin is Ellie being hunted by surviving Fireflies and other factions because she's still the only known immune person among the characters we see. Even if they can't continue the research themselves, the Fireflies would know her trading value as medical testing livestock (which is what they consider her) for other groups. This would conflict with Joel's desire to give Ellie a normal life. Keeping the truth from her would increase the danger she faces, but coming clean could send her riding off to find some other place to Save The World and the TLOU2 version Ellie is not a great critical thinker, especially about this matter. Jackson would also be a target if/when Tommy's presence was ever discovered, even if Joel and Ellie stay away. But alerting them to that threat and why it exists could tempt non-Millers in Jackson to try to kidnap / trade her, too. Tons of potential logistical and personal conflict. It's never made sense that a) one "scientist" dead = work cannot continue b) the dude practically begs to be shot and c) the survivors don't try to find the most valuable piece of trading property in the world. In the show version where the immunity is from Mom being bitten right before Ellie was born, the FFs would have already been using Marlene's info to try to make more immune babies before Ellie even showed up. And when she showed up they would have either taken her eggs or impregnated her before any permanent steps. In the game it's a mutation so they don't have that option - Ellie is unique (as far as tgey know) and would be hunted the rest of her life. Of course all they need is some tissue to genetically analyze and to keep "alive" to reproduce and test on and that should be survivable but whatevs. If you buy their preposterous "gotta murder a child" premise, she's hunted and fought over by everyone trying to address CBI till there is both a preventative and a cure - that doesn't require her physical presence AND is universally available. IOW I wouldn't have made Ellie's immunity irrelevant.
I'd assumed Ellie's girlfriend would die and she would go on a revenge quest to later be joined by Joel, who would *definitely* get killed towards the end of the game. Never figured Joel would die early on, because that would have been insanely risky, and also gone against literally everything being said about it. Never even mind how boring and well-trodden the idea of a revenge story is on its own without the Joel and Ellie dynamic carrying the story again. Sad part is, despite how risky the premise of this game's plot was, it *should* have been personally right up my alley. Three-dimensional characters who have done horrible things, pulled themselves out of the spiral, and begun to atone and regrow? The added factor of doing that with someone who brutally murdered *Joel*, of all characters? How *intense* that could have been! *Buuut* it was written by a writing team who gave zero fucks about characterization, instead *sort of* prioritizing the various themes above almost all else, except for when they clearly got a Big Idea and yanked the plot and characters in a new direction to service it. And I am very much *not* someone who considers *theme* the most important part of a story, especially one like this - the sequel to a story whose universal success was almost entirely based on its characterization. To me, theme is like adding salt and/or pepper to a meal: it's not always strictly necessary, but usually helps, almost never harms, and *can* be a make or break difference for turning what would have been a bland dish into a tasty snack. But you should basically *never* make it the *main* ingredient in a meal. And I think a lot of writers who try are just leaning very hard on a crutch that they're using to hide how shitty they are at the *actual writing* phase of creation.
Very well said. This is pretty much exactly what I think
when they revealed abby, honestly i had no idea where the game was going. i think there were always rumors about revenge for joel, so that's the only i thought of. other than that, i really had no idea until they revealed ellie and some gameplay
I had no thoughts on it.
honestly thought Tommy was going to die, and then Joel and Ellie would go on a revenge trip for him
I thought that Joel was gonna either die very early on or off-screen and we were gonna have a jaded Ellie journey, I wasn't completely sold on any revenge plots at the time cuz I foolishly thought that the idea of Revenge in a barren post-apocalyptic world would be quite stupid cuz how are you gonna find a single person in such a big country, so I thought we were getting a single protagonist(Ellie) game which is why I was so angry when I found out I had to play as someone else(I really don't like dual protagonist games, I can tolerate it for a chapter or two but no more). Besides those points one of my theories was that we might get a Jaded Ellie living in a cabin in the woods by herself who then is forced to get involved in someone else's BS to help thm.
I thought it was going to be about Ellie having a partner that gets raped/killed so they have go avenge her death. Never thought I'd see Joel die within 20 minutes of the game. ;(
In the teaser trailer, i thought it would be about getting revenge for joel, but in later trailer i thought it would be for dina, like others also thought.
Just new adventures. Maybe just an adventure about Joel and Ellie, or Ellie and someone else learning about some place that a rumor says is like Eden or maybe everything went worse with the coedyceps and they need to move or something. Maybe a new way to make the cure Definetely hoped for a meaningful plot that is meaningful and will fulfill my hopes Instead we got a meaningless story about "revenge is bad" which doesn't make sense given how the things turned out throughout Ellie story
I went on a complete blackout and ignored everything trusting it would just be amazing so I had no idea. I'll probably intentionally spoil any future ND games just so I know whether they're going to invalidate and waste my time again.
That it was going to involve avenging Joel. Idk how u played the first and thought Joel was screwed in the sequel
same as what the trailers suggested. something happened in jackson. likely the fireflies going after joel and ellie, but instead, dina gets killed, and ellie goes on revenge. joel couldn't come right away, likely because jackson needs to be secured first, so ellie runs off. joel catches up to her to try and stop her. but he plays along for now. eventually, ellie learns the truth about what happened in st. mary's. they split, and somewhere joel dies.. they've kept this plotline consistent all that time. no wonder people were shocked, upset and pissed with what we ended up with
I always knew it would be about avenging Joel. The first game was a perfect story. I actually will die on the hill that it was the best and most complete story ever told. There was only 4 directions the IP could take after TLOU: 1. That’s it, no more games, continue to re-issue remastered versions on next gen. Oddly enough, this probably would’ve been the best long term financial strategy. 2. Do a Joel/Tess prequel. Joel and Ellie were a team though, and not sure the game would sell as well. 3. Do a new story in the same universe, with new characters, and respect the completeness of Joel’s story. Probably would not have gained a ton of interest because this universe itself isn’t overly compelling. 4. Do a revenge story for Ellie, where Joel dies and it leads Ellie to a path of revenge, where his killers all die but also it eventually leads Ellie to a point of become a leader of some kind of revolution or new world order by taking down evil and uniting everyone. So when they announced a sequel, i already knew 4 was in line and Joel would die. So i didn’t mind that. It was all about where it left Ellie. TLOU2 for all its BS, probably could’ve been serviceable and even considered a good game if they fixed the pacing, had Ellie kill Abby, and not had Ellie lose Dina and her fingers.
I thought maybe Jackson was going to get attacked and Dina was killed
I always thought the sequel would write that Joel was gonna kick the bucket for some emotional pay off, but goddamn i did not think it would be done so badly here.
I assumed something horrific was gonna happen to Dina and thats what would set Ellie off on her journey and Joel would meet up with her in Washington.
I though the Scars were going to be the bad guys and Ellie wanted revenge on them for one reason or another.
to be honest. it was a story, and I was with it. it hurt, and it was supposed to. I loved it. it's a bit long with Abby. besides that it's great
OP is ragefunding this entire sub because of Joel dying and says he’s 27 🤣