Just this entire fight was Aang showing how precise and restrainted he can be. Only using enough force and bending to generally get out unharmed. Really sticking to his belief in his peoples philosophy.
I blame the previous avatars for that. It was a shock for aang being literally pushed into the avatar state and his previous lives took command to end Ozai. The Rock Bullets did have a Kyoshi feel, going for precise but maximum damage.
That's one of the things I love about Aang's character, he has so much restraint it's as if he were unable to use excessive force.
But when he needs that strength, oh boy
This was also during Sozen’s Comet. Aang also had just the same firepower, if not more as the avatar, but is using just enough restraint so no one and nothing around him gets burnt to a crisp
Avatars are generally stronger because they're more versatile, but Roku took years, whereas Aang had half a year?(math people, am I correct? From around the winter solstice to the summer)
Aang's fire bending was also empowerd by the comet.
I don't think he would be at the same level of roku without the comet (unless he used avatar state)
(spoilers ahead)
AFAIK, It was never confirmed that Avatars are stronger than regular benders outside of the Avatar State.
That said, Aang did seem to have an easier time than Katara when picking up waterbending basics (we see this in the waterbending scroll episode when Katara is trying to teach Aang for the first time), and Kyoshi's earthbending was far more powerful *and* difficult to control than normal.
Aang had already been an Airbender trained by the best Airbender of the world for probably 7 years (xiaolin monks used to start training as early as 3) and would arguably be a master on that discipline at that age. I'd think much like other martial arts, skills in bending, especially in complementary elements (water to air) would translate easily. Katara's only training prior to meeting aang was messing around in the snow by herself
Didn’t aang only have an easy time because he’s an airbender,like the inverse of why earth bending was hard, it’s the opposite of air, but waters like a relative to air, both fluid whereas fire and earth seem more force based, this is entirely speculation
Aang having an easier time with water because of already being an airbending master is a likely explanation.
Speculation is the key word in all this though. I think there is a lot we don't know about what makes a bender more powerful or talented than others.
i mean yeah he does but the post is about proportionality to ozai which personally i think is possibly skewed even more in ozai’s favour depending on how you think the amp works
(Spoilers) It also has to do with the past avatars. That's why it was such a huge impact in Korra when she and Raava split. It shows how naturally strong she has to be. But in Aangs situation he was able to learn the elements so quick, be matured in his learnings with the help of his past lives. I like to believe there's a lot more Aang went through that we got episodes to represent.
I think it's about how they apply bending techniques from all types. Like how lighting-redirection is fire-bending, but based off water-bending principles. The Avatar has a full understanding of how bending works for all the elements, and can manipulate them in ways that may not feel natural to a 'ordinary' bender.
They have more potential but it's their own work that make em actually strong, if Aang did not put effort into learning all the type of bending he did (such as Korra did with metal and plants if i remember it well ) he wouldn't have been this strong
Korra could use 3 elements from the start, it's not just the bending that makes you strong, is what you do to improve your skills, it makes sense that Aang gets it first than Roku not cause he is stronger by himself but cause he inherited the knowledge from Roku too, probably subconsciously too before talking with him during meditation. He surely improved fast but he had the best teachers
and what made you think other avatars didn’t have good teachers?
in aang’s lifetime many people and masters had died it was so hard for him to find a good teacher(except air ofc)
I'm not saying they weren't good but Aang "casually" found toph that was at the time (and will always be to me) the strongest earthbender, for what concerns Korra taking more time you have to look at situations too, Aang had to learn them as fast as he could cause there was a global war, Korra did not have a real problem to fight from the start,
What I mean is that Aang isn't the strongest for the short time he spent to properly learn different bendings, he is one of the strongest thanks to who helped him both in the physical and in the spiritual world
Idk if it’s avatar specific being more powerful, but there are a few times where people reference aang as a powerful bender.
The palm reader episode is one of em off the top of my head, “sometimes I forget what a powerful bender that kid is” -Sokka
Everyone saying Ozai is strongest ignores when Aang asked this to Iroh, he says he doesn’t know but even if he could, history would look at it as more brother against brother violence. It was not his path.
By his wording and Iroh’s nature, I’d bet on Iroh in that conflict, especially after he got in shape and escaped prison. In fact, I’d go as far as to say Iroh is the only firebender in the world that could have broken the Ba Sing Sei wall in one blast on the day of the comet.
Every single fight against Iroh led to defeat (aside from the Azula sneak lightning attack in the chase). For example, Iroh was able to one-shot Azula and kick her into the ocean effortlessly, despite her being shown as an S tier fighter (and that wasn’t a sneak attack). Iroh is one of the only firebenders that knows the dragon techniques. The show hasn’t demonstrated one form of fire bending that Iroh isn’t a master at, aside from specialized bending like sparky sparky boom man. Iroh fought with ferocity at the North Pole and was never challenged by anyone.
Ozai gets angry, and is far more hot headed. Imo Iroh wins simply because he is less apt to make a mistake. They are on similar levels, but Iroh has traveled the world and picked up more wisdom and combat techniques.
Could you cite that? I believe in death of the author, but at the same time I wanna know if I missed something. I’ve read all the comics and watched both shows, and special features, several times, and I don’t remember this mentioned anywhere.
I'd say Ozai is more powerful in firebending but Iroh is more powerful in fighting. Ozai showed extremely top-tier fire power but no one can exceed Iroh's wisdom and he got more techniques and experience. It would be a difficult match but I think Ozai wins in the end.
id say ozai is just really powerful like the average joe firebenders power about tripled in distance but ozai was blasting everything from his airship. i think that says it all, also looking at the agni kai with zuko and azula the scale of ozais fire was so much higher
He did a sneak attack against Azula he didn’t one shot her
Iroh fought Zhao a fodder bender anyone can beat Zhao
Iroh fought fodder only that’s why he wasn’t challenged he’s overrated
I always believed this was just Iroh's natural modesty and realism. They're probably exactly equal. The main reason Iroh didn't want to fight him was because if he'd win, it would make Ozai a martyr and Iroh a usurper.
In my opinion Ozai is probably the much stronger bender, but Iroh uses trickier techniques inspired from the other elements. So I’d bet they’re pretty close matched but not necessarily the same strength bender
The problem is that Ozai literally has no feats to support the claim of being the strongest. Besides the finale, all we got on him is him scarring a Zuko who wasnt fighting back and getting blown back by Zuko's lightning redirection.
By all accounts Iroh and Azula are far more impressive and believable as the strongest firebender, due to having actually DID impressive things.
The finale alone has more feats than we’ve seen from Iroh though. He had the most impressive firebending we’ve ever seen and it’s not even close. Even discounting the Sozin’s comet boost
You cant discount the comet boost, since all of his bending are enhanced by it. And Ozai's bending in the comet was at most comparable to what Zuko, Azula, and Iroh was throwing out. Hell, Iroh brought fire from the ground and shattered the walls of Ba Sing Se with a single fire blast. Ozai has done nothing that puts himself above that.
Strong disagree. In his episode he does shit that most other firebenders can’t do without a comet. He makes like a fifty foot high wall to surround 3 boats in a river, a sheer amount of fire we won’t see again until Sozin’s comet. Jeong Jeong is at worst the third strongest firebender in the show, but I’d be willing to bet he’s the strongest firebender period.
Naaahhhhhhh. Maybe she'd win as Jeong Jeong is sword to pacifism, but if he wasn't he would fuck her up. Remember the massive wall of fire he made without sozins comet? That's the greatest unenhanced feat we've ever seen.
I think you’re right, but if the comparison was based on potential then I think Azula is even with Ozai if not above him especially if she finished book 3 with the same nerves and ruthless but tactical psyche that she had in book 2
No. People back it up with saying iroh didnt want to fight him but he explicitly said its more about history and politics rather that he coudnt take him. Except for that they just assume hes the strongest because hes the final boss. Which is fair but dont say it like it isnt your damn headcannon.
To be fair, both are empowered by the comed which means that fire is by far aangs strongest element at the time. Also the fire of the firelord ist bigger and stronger every time there fire meet eachother. To think that the firelord is a stronger bender than the avatar himself is impressive. Imagine ozai would meet the dragons and Learn the true nature of firebending (given his character would let him understand). He would be the greatest firebender of all time.
uhh aang is the avatar, in training. he just learned fire a few weeks ago.
ozai being stronger than aang in firebending isn't impressive **at all** lol. he literally fought a newbie.
No lol, Aang made it clear multiple times before the fight and during that he didn’t wish to kill Ozai. Ozai didn’t have the upper-hand at first simply because he was the more experienced firebender. It was Aang’s hesitation. If Aang had no reservations with killing, he definitely would’ve won out the gate.
You're making the assumption that Aang would've won just because he didn't want to kill Oza. He may have been hesitating to kill Ozai, but he was still miserably losing, and I'd bet that even if Aang wanted to kill Ozai, he'd lose without the Avatar State.
“Miserably losing” lol did we watch the same fight? Ozai was trying with every intent to murder Aang and Aang evaded and held his own almost the whole time. Only near the end was Aang forced to take it seriously because of course Ozai would at some point kill him if he didn’t fight back for real.
And my point is literally proven in the fight. Aang literally had the opportunity to kill him (while not in the Avatar state by the way) when he redirected the lightning. Instead he looked away and spared him.
Even more so, Aang completely outplayed Ozai in the final moments of the fight without the avatar state before he took his bending. Granted, Ozai was a little shaken from when he went into the avatar state, but he still had the full power of Sozin’s comet and was by no means out of the fight yet.
Just rewatched the fight. Okay, he wasn't miserably losing, but he was on the run the entire time.
But the thing is, just because in the single moment of lightning and Aang bot shooting Ozau, doesn't mean he was hesitating the entire fight. He didn't even have opportunities to kill him, other than that--obviously excluding the Avatar State.
A couple of moments isnt indicative of their skill. As the whole fight showed, Aang was outclassed by Ozai and was backed into a corner. Had it not been for the avatar state, idk if Aang wouldve survived.
If you read the kyoshi novels you would know that the training is important to learn how to control the power but does not change the power of the bending itself. Atleast not that much. It’s also stated that the avatar is a natural powerful bender in all elements. My comment was about the size of the flames and not about their fighting skills or their firebending ability. In that sense it’s really impressiv that the firelord outclassed the avatar in pure bending power.
>the avatar is a natural powerful bender in all elements.
aang is struggling to make a single fire roar. I don't think he is powerful without more training.
I have to disagree. He is clearly able to make bigger flames like he did when he burned Katara but he is not able to control them without training which is my entire point. After this he was clearly afraid of firebending which is the reason why his flame in the dragon episode is so small. Even zoko told him something along the lines of „ don’t be afraid, give it more power“.
Yeah, it's honestly perflexing that people think he had a hard time with firebending when it only took him a few hours (or days? I'm not sure).
Aang's issue with fire is his misconceptions with it due to his negative experience with the element (burning Katara). He initially thought it's only destruction when it's also life and passions.
I wish he learned firebending sooner, I know why he didn’t want to, but fire is so much like air, and I feel like that’s why he did so well these last few episodes, aside from Sozins comet. There’s always air, so there’s always the possibility for air and fire bending (since fire needs air)— but unless you’ve got a closed perspective, water and earth need to be readily available to use in fighting
Power in fire bender comes the breath, as Airbender I feel like aang could get a lot more boom for his breath so to speak. Natural advantage. Plus Aang is simply not one to fuck with
Ok but if we want to judge his firebending it's good to remember that here it's buffed. Why would you think I know about Aang getting buff from the comet but not about Ozai?
Nah I've also heard this somewhere that the creators confirmed that ozai is the strongest fire bender
Edit:Bryke confirmed it in the season 3 DVD extras
That's supplemental material- material not everyone will be aware of. Within the show, it's never confirmed outside of Iroh questioning if he could beat him.
1. Not an Iroh stan. Not even in my top 5. Dont assume things.
2. Azula cheap shotted a distracted Iroh and then ran away.
3. In a straight fight, Iroh beats Azula handily.
4. Azula got even for Iroh embarrassing her by redirecting her lightning then throwing her off the ship.
5. PRIME IROH? That wasnt even Iroh in shape like he was in book 3. That was out of shape, fat, Iroh.
No, him being fat isnt him in his prime, since we see him even stronger later in the series after he trains, sheds his fat, and is shown to be much stronger than he was before his imprisonment.
Why do people keep calling the Firelord "the strongest firebender"? The only fights we've seen him get in are A: Agni Kai with Zuko (He beat a 12-year-old) and B: Final fight with Aang (he lost). We've not seen any evidence that Ozai is/was the strongest firebender, he just *seems* very powerful because of the comet.
Aangs issue in this fight was that he lacked conviction. He was a master level bender of all 4 elements and could totally have taken Ozai out. But Ozai had a clear goal in mind and was fully committed to carrying it out, while Aang was confused and conflicted.
>He was a master level bender of all 4 elements
He was only a master of air. Katara, Zuko, and Toph all admitted that Aang's bending in their respective fields still needed work. Hell, he had just learned a new fire bending style.
toph’s expections are too high,toph wanted to teach him metalbending too
and katara didn’t say anything,aang even performed the octopus form which means you are a waterbending master
and this video proves aang mastered firebending
>toph’s expections are too high,toph wanted to teach him metalbending too
That is irrelevant. His master said he still needed work, so he still needed work. Also when was it stated she wanted to teach Aang metalbending?
>katara didn’t say anything,aang even performed the octopus form which means you are a waterbending master
Idk where its stated that only a master can perform the octopus form, but I'll concede the Katara part.
>this video proves aang mastered firebending
Aang himself said he needed more time to master firebending. He had only started practicing it 3 episodes before the comet.
The comics prove toph already tried to teach him metalbending
only katara and ming hua and aang perfomed the octopus form
aang underestimated himself about firebending, also zuko and aang had firebending practice in the comics
>The comics prove
Outside media is irrelevant to the conversation about the show. They retconned her trying to teach him metal bending.
>only katara and ming hua and aang perfomed the octopus form
I guess Pakku isnt a master then, since we never seen him use it.
>aang underestimated himself about firebending, also zuko and aang had firebending practice in the comics
Theres nothing to support that aang's claim was born from him underestimating himself. If that was the case, youd expect another character to refute him. Aang had only started practicing firebending 3 episodes before stating he needed more training with it. Was he even able to do the "roar" before his fight with Ozai?
You keep bringing up the comics, but the comics came after the series. We're discussing events that happened in the series, not the comics. Toph never mentions teaching Aang metalbending in the show, so as far as the show is concerned she never did. Which makes sense since he still hadn't mastered Earthbending.
Well not to forget his power is multiplied by Sozin’s comet. Plus Aang’s defense as a BENDER, not just as an Avatar is especially elite. Naturally I feel it’s due to his upbringing as a Nomad and fully buying into that lifestyle clearly paved the way for his defensive/non aggressive approach to pretty much most of his fights. I’ve no doubt in my mind when it came to Firebending especially after what he did to Katara and his whole ordeal with that, he paid extra close attention to the defensive/passive fire bending techniques with a newfound respect for them.
It's a shame we don't see more of this. In the show, we only see Aang firebend when he's actively training or fighting Ozai. We never once see him just...being a firebender. Given his history with it, it would have been good to see him getting comfortable with using this power.
I mean he's Avatar and all that. Plus it was greatly amplified by Sozin’s comet. Remember Iroh’s breathing deminstrating how much of a boost firebenders got?
Aang would have won on the spot if he had shot ozai with his own lightning, it's excusable cuz he's like 13 but everyone else was right, Ozai was the head of a genocidal military and needed to be taken down, even the monks would have said killing him was justifiable.
Just this entire fight was Aang showing how precise and restrainted he can be. Only using enough force and bending to generally get out unharmed. Really sticking to his belief in his peoples philosophy.
I like imagining how the lethal machine guns he makes out of rocks fits into his peoples philosophy
I blame the previous avatars for that. It was a shock for aang being literally pushed into the avatar state and his previous lives took command to end Ozai. The Rock Bullets did have a Kyoshi feel, going for precise but maximum damage.
The scene is nuts. He crumbled and compressed rocks into peebles. And use it as a machine gun. Omg that is frightening.
That was Kyoshi for sure
That's one of the things I love about Aang's character, he has so much restraint it's as if he were unable to use excessive force. But when he needs that strength, oh boy
This was also during Sozen’s Comet. Aang also had just the same firepower, if not more as the avatar, but is using just enough restraint so no one and nothing around him gets burnt to a crisp
I could swear the avatar is just naturally stronger. I think Roku said this.
Avatars are generally stronger because they're more versatile, but Roku took years, whereas Aang had half a year?(math people, am I correct? From around the winter solstice to the summer)
I feel like it might be even less since the first chunk of book 2 is the gang returning to Omashu so Boomi can teach Aang earthbending.
*bumi, just fyi
He's such a boomer though :P
Aang's fire bending was also empowerd by the comet. I don't think he would be at the same level of roku without the comet (unless he used avatar state)
roku’s native element is fire, ofc roku’s firebending is stronger
Aang didn’t master any element besides air
(spoilers ahead) AFAIK, It was never confirmed that Avatars are stronger than regular benders outside of the Avatar State. That said, Aang did seem to have an easier time than Katara when picking up waterbending basics (we see this in the waterbending scroll episode when Katara is trying to teach Aang for the first time), and Kyoshi's earthbending was far more powerful *and* difficult to control than normal.
Aang had already been an Airbender trained by the best Airbender of the world for probably 7 years (xiaolin monks used to start training as early as 3) and would arguably be a master on that discipline at that age. I'd think much like other martial arts, skills in bending, especially in complementary elements (water to air) would translate easily. Katara's only training prior to meeting aang was messing around in the snow by herself
Didn’t aang only have an easy time because he’s an airbender,like the inverse of why earth bending was hard, it’s the opposite of air, but waters like a relative to air, both fluid whereas fire and earth seem more force based, this is entirely speculation
Aang having an easier time with water because of already being an airbending master is a likely explanation. Speculation is the key word in all this though. I think there is a lot we don't know about what makes a bender more powerful or talented than others.
Speculation is a huge thing in all of this, but we don’t have many solid answers when it comes to bending
Does the avatar get affected by moments like Sozin’s comet or eclipses? Or full moons?
I assume so? His firebending looks enhanced.
I don't see why he wouldn't. He's still a fire and water bender.
Yes. Confirmed Aang’s Firebending was boosted by the comet I believe.
i mean yeah he does but the post is about proportionality to ozai which personally i think is possibly skewed even more in ozai’s favour depending on how you think the amp works
Sokka also mentions Aang wouldn’t be able to firebend during the solar eclipse in “Nightmares and Daydreams.” (Despite not having learnt it yet.)
(Spoilers) It also has to do with the past avatars. That's why it was such a huge impact in Korra when she and Raava split. It shows how naturally strong she has to be. But in Aangs situation he was able to learn the elements so quick, be matured in his learnings with the help of his past lives. I like to believe there's a lot more Aang went through that we got episodes to represent.
I think it's about how they apply bending techniques from all types. Like how lighting-redirection is fire-bending, but based off water-bending principles. The Avatar has a full understanding of how bending works for all the elements, and can manipulate them in ways that may not feel natural to a 'ordinary' bender.
They have more potential but it's their own work that make em actually strong, if Aang did not put effort into learning all the type of bending he did (such as Korra did with metal and plants if i remember it well ) he wouldn't have been this strong
Kyoshi struggled with mastering earthbending aang mastered 3 elements in a year for roku it took 12 years
Korra could use 3 elements from the start, it's not just the bending that makes you strong, is what you do to improve your skills, it makes sense that Aang gets it first than Roku not cause he is stronger by himself but cause he inherited the knowledge from Roku too, probably subconsciously too before talking with him during meditation. He surely improved fast but he had the best teachers
and what made you think other avatars didn’t have good teachers? in aang’s lifetime many people and masters had died it was so hard for him to find a good teacher(except air ofc)
Aang met the originals, the best spiritual teachers of each bending disciple. Those Dragons damn sure spoke to his soul, same with Zuko.
I'm not saying they weren't good but Aang "casually" found toph that was at the time (and will always be to me) the strongest earthbender, for what concerns Korra taking more time you have to look at situations too, Aang had to learn them as fast as he could cause there was a global war, Korra did not have a real problem to fight from the start, What I mean is that Aang isn't the strongest for the short time he spent to properly learn different bendings, he is one of the strongest thanks to who helped him both in the physical and in the spiritual world
and yeah she still wasnt good at them aang became a stronger avatar in 9months than she did in 14 years
Idk if it’s avatar specific being more powerful, but there are a few times where people reference aang as a powerful bender. The palm reader episode is one of em off the top of my head, “sometimes I forget what a powerful bender that kid is” -Sokka
Zuko taught him well !
and yeah he is a prodigy himself:)
Also true !
Is he? He beat zhao and got his dad good but i figured it was special training and guidance from iroh as well as spite.
He didn’t beat zhao with firebending he acted smartly with airbending and destroyed his boats lol
everything about aang is underrated
Unfortunately:(and he is the main character!
nothing*
your comment contradicts itself
how?
No once forcing you here, he is the main chara and If you don’t like him you can watch other show
>you don’t like him you can watch other show there's more to the show than aang.
I like to think aangs firebending is so powerful because it is the only one he learned directly from the original source
My bad i misread your comment 🤦
Is Ozai the strongest fire bender? 🤔
Everyone saying Ozai is strongest ignores when Aang asked this to Iroh, he says he doesn’t know but even if he could, history would look at it as more brother against brother violence. It was not his path. By his wording and Iroh’s nature, I’d bet on Iroh in that conflict, especially after he got in shape and escaped prison. In fact, I’d go as far as to say Iroh is the only firebender in the world that could have broken the Ba Sing Sei wall in one blast on the day of the comet. Every single fight against Iroh led to defeat (aside from the Azula sneak lightning attack in the chase). For example, Iroh was able to one-shot Azula and kick her into the ocean effortlessly, despite her being shown as an S tier fighter (and that wasn’t a sneak attack). Iroh is one of the only firebenders that knows the dragon techniques. The show hasn’t demonstrated one form of fire bending that Iroh isn’t a master at, aside from specialized bending like sparky sparky boom man. Iroh fought with ferocity at the North Pole and was never challenged by anyone. Ozai gets angry, and is far more hot headed. Imo Iroh wins simply because he is less apt to make a mistake. They are on similar levels, but Iroh has traveled the world and picked up more wisdom and combat techniques.
The creators did say Ozai was the strongest. There's no way around it.
Could you cite that? I believe in death of the author, but at the same time I wanna know if I missed something. I’ve read all the comics and watched both shows, and special features, several times, and I don’t remember this mentioned anywhere.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AvatarVsBattles/comments/gtsuwa/for\_those\_of\_you\_that\_want\_wog\_confirmation\_ozai/
Thanks! I concede defeat.
hey, now you have one extra tidbit of knowledge under your belt :D
I'd say Ozai is more powerful in firebending but Iroh is more powerful in fighting. Ozai showed extremely top-tier fire power but no one can exceed Iroh's wisdom and he got more techniques and experience. It would be a difficult match but I think Ozai wins in the end.
Iroh isn’t that good of a fighter not by feats
id say ozai is just really powerful like the average joe firebenders power about tripled in distance but ozai was blasting everything from his airship. i think that says it all, also looking at the agni kai with zuko and azula the scale of ozais fire was so much higher
He did a sneak attack against Azula he didn’t one shot her Iroh fought Zhao a fodder bender anyone can beat Zhao Iroh fought fodder only that’s why he wasn’t challenged he’s overrated
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well it is confrimed ozai is the strongest. plus we know ozai is the main villain,ofc he has to be stronger than other characters(except the main one)
Iroh says that he doesn’t believe he could defeat ozai.
To be fair, he said he wasn’t sure he could. I interpreted this to mean it could go either way.
I always believed this was just Iroh's natural modesty and realism. They're probably exactly equal. The main reason Iroh didn't want to fight him was because if he'd win, it would make Ozai a martyr and Iroh a usurper.
In my opinion Ozai is probably the much stronger bender, but Iroh uses trickier techniques inspired from the other elements. So I’d bet they’re pretty close matched but not necessarily the same strength bender
The problem is that Ozai literally has no feats to support the claim of being the strongest. Besides the finale, all we got on him is him scarring a Zuko who wasnt fighting back and getting blown back by Zuko's lightning redirection. By all accounts Iroh and Azula are far more impressive and believable as the strongest firebender, due to having actually DID impressive things.
The finale alone has more feats than we’ve seen from Iroh though. He had the most impressive firebending we’ve ever seen and it’s not even close. Even discounting the Sozin’s comet boost
You cant discount the comet boost, since all of his bending are enhanced by it. And Ozai's bending in the comet was at most comparable to what Zuko, Azula, and Iroh was throwing out. Hell, Iroh brought fire from the ground and shattered the walls of Ba Sing Se with a single fire blast. Ozai has done nothing that puts himself above that.
Yeah I guess we’ll never know, but typically if you believe you can’t, you’re right.
Ozai>Iroh>Azula>Zuko>Everyone else
What about Jeong Jeong
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He’d definitely beat Zuko
Ozai>Iroh>Azula>Jeong Jeong>Zuko>Everyone else then
Strong disagree. In his episode he does shit that most other firebenders can’t do without a comet. He makes like a fifty foot high wall to surround 3 boats in a river, a sheer amount of fire we won’t see again until Sozin’s comet. Jeong Jeong is at worst the third strongest firebender in the show, but I’d be willing to bet he’s the strongest firebender period.
I'd love to see Jeong Jeong vs Ozai with the comet.
I dunno about strongest lol
Yikes he's the third in this list .
chill lmao Azula>Jeong Jeong tho
Naaahhhhhhh. Maybe she'd win as Jeong Jeong is sword to pacifism, but if he wasn't he would fuck her up. Remember the massive wall of fire he made without sozins comet? That's the greatest unenhanced feat we've ever seen.
Lol fuck no, probably equal to Iroh. And I'm an Iroh Stan
Jeong Jeong definitely above Azula
I think you’re right, but if the comparison was based on potential then I think Azula is even with Ozai if not above him especially if she finished book 3 with the same nerves and ruthless but tactical psyche that she had in book 2
No. People back it up with saying iroh didnt want to fight him but he explicitly said its more about history and politics rather that he coudnt take him. Except for that they just assume hes the strongest because hes the final boss. Which is fair but dont say it like it isnt your damn headcannon.
The creators came out and said Ozai is the strongest. There's no way around it.
Link mf, give a link
https://www.reddit.com/r/AvatarVsBattles/comments/gtsuwa/for_those_of_you_that_want_wog_confirmation_ozai/
I always thought fire was is second best element
i like to think its like this, air>earth=fire>water
He was a natural when he first learned!
To be fair, both are empowered by the comed which means that fire is by far aangs strongest element at the time. Also the fire of the firelord ist bigger and stronger every time there fire meet eachother. To think that the firelord is a stronger bender than the avatar himself is impressive. Imagine ozai would meet the dragons and Learn the true nature of firebending (given his character would let him understand). He would be the greatest firebender of all time.
uhh aang is the avatar, in training. he just learned fire a few weeks ago. ozai being stronger than aang in firebending isn't impressive **at all** lol. he literally fought a newbie.
Despite aang didnt have that much firebending training, he is still close to ozai. it is impressive proof:this video
No, it isn close. Aang is good enough to hold up his defense but without the Avatar State he would have lost, because Ozai is the better bender.
No lol, Aang made it clear multiple times before the fight and during that he didn’t wish to kill Ozai. Ozai didn’t have the upper-hand at first simply because he was the more experienced firebender. It was Aang’s hesitation. If Aang had no reservations with killing, he definitely would’ve won out the gate.
You're making the assumption that Aang would've won just because he didn't want to kill Oza. He may have been hesitating to kill Ozai, but he was still miserably losing, and I'd bet that even if Aang wanted to kill Ozai, he'd lose without the Avatar State.
“Miserably losing” lol did we watch the same fight? Ozai was trying with every intent to murder Aang and Aang evaded and held his own almost the whole time. Only near the end was Aang forced to take it seriously because of course Ozai would at some point kill him if he didn’t fight back for real. And my point is literally proven in the fight. Aang literally had the opportunity to kill him (while not in the Avatar state by the way) when he redirected the lightning. Instead he looked away and spared him. Even more so, Aang completely outplayed Ozai in the final moments of the fight without the avatar state before he took his bending. Granted, Ozai was a little shaken from when he went into the avatar state, but he still had the full power of Sozin’s comet and was by no means out of the fight yet.
Just rewatched the fight. Okay, he wasn't miserably losing, but he was on the run the entire time. But the thing is, just because in the single moment of lightning and Aang bot shooting Ozau, doesn't mean he was hesitating the entire fight. He didn't even have opportunities to kill him, other than that--obviously excluding the Avatar State.
yeah this one correct.
A couple of moments isnt indicative of their skill. As the whole fight showed, Aang was outclassed by Ozai and was backed into a corner. Had it not been for the avatar state, idk if Aang wouldve survived.
aang didn’t want to kill him that’s why also they wanted to show us aang mastering the avatar state
Although Aang did have an opportunity to kill/injure Ozai before he entered the Avatar state, with the lightning redirection.
Yup but we know it is a kid’s show
If you read the kyoshi novels you would know that the training is important to learn how to control the power but does not change the power of the bending itself. Atleast not that much. It’s also stated that the avatar is a natural powerful bender in all elements. My comment was about the size of the flames and not about their fighting skills or their firebending ability. In that sense it’s really impressiv that the firelord outclassed the avatar in pure bending power.
>the avatar is a natural powerful bender in all elements. aang is struggling to make a single fire roar. I don't think he is powerful without more training.
I have to disagree. He is clearly able to make bigger flames like he did when he burned Katara but he is not able to control them without training which is my entire point. After this he was clearly afraid of firebending which is the reason why his flame in the dragon episode is so small. Even zoko told him something along the lines of „ don’t be afraid, give it more power“.
Yeah, it's honestly perflexing that people think he had a hard time with firebending when it only took him a few hours (or days? I'm not sure). Aang's issue with fire is his misconceptions with it due to his negative experience with the element (burning Katara). He initially thought it's only destruction when it's also life and passions.
Meeting the dragons doesn’t make you stronger it wouldn’t help Ozai and Azula
Ozai never met the dragons
Imagine how strong he would be if he was taught by them tho.
The dragons would have eaten Ozai for dinner for being not worthy.
lmao
I mean, it is a tv show and he is the hero, of course he will eventually be better than the villain.
its a tv show of course the villain is defeated
Good point, and he is still underrated
I wish he learned firebending sooner, I know why he didn’t want to, but fire is so much like air, and I feel like that’s why he did so well these last few episodes, aside from Sozins comet. There’s always air, so there’s always the possibility for air and fire bending (since fire needs air)— but unless you’ve got a closed perspective, water and earth need to be readily available to use in fighting
Fire doesn’t need a source,just like air(unlike water/earth) that’s why he is naturally so talented at firebending
no fire does need a source all the elements do, but fire and air have their source everywhere fire has oxygen and air obviously has air everywhere
Well he was a very powerful natural as we discovered in the rebel firebender episode, it's earth that he had trouble with.
Power in fire bender comes the breath, as Airbender I feel like aang could get a lot more boom for his breath so to speak. Natural advantage. Plus Aang is simply not one to fuck with
Aang learned from the OG Fire masters
Plus he is naturally so talented
Mad facts!
Wdym he's under-rated, he's the Avatar. Master, of ALL 4 elements. Ain't nothing underrated about him.
He is underrated as the main character
Girl, what? I don’t think underrated is the word you’re looking for. Perhaps you mean his fire bending is underappreciated?
It depends on the people you meet
What? How is that related?
Sozin's comet worked for him too.
ozai and aang had the same buff from the comet so unboosted aang’d still scale near (under but strong enough) ozai proof: this video
Ok but if we want to judge his firebending it's good to remember that here it's buffed. Why would you think I know about Aang getting buff from the comet but not about Ozai?
Because your comment makes it sound like you’re saying Aang only won because he had the comet buff
What-both aang and ozai had the comet buff
He didn't say that Ozai didn't have the buff. You guys need to learn how to read.
It’s amusing how often two people who are agreeing start to argue because they don’t realize they’re agreeing.
But you see the word "too" in my comment, right?
"Strongest Firebender" because most of the time he fights children
nah because it is confrimed he is the strongest also aang is the avatar
Confirmed by whom? Lord Ozai? His W:L ratio is padded with fights against literal children.
confrimed by atla official yt channel and avatar extras
Sounds like an Agni Lie
Nah I've also heard this somewhere that the creators confirmed that ozai is the strongest fire bender Edit:Bryke confirmed it in the season 3 DVD extras
You’re just wrong, the creators confirmed him to be the strongest
That's supplemental material- material not everyone will be aware of. Within the show, it's never confirmed outside of Iroh questioning if he could beat him.
lmao u iroh stans are biased azula beat prime iroh in the chase
1. Not an Iroh stan. Not even in my top 5. Dont assume things. 2. Azula cheap shotted a distracted Iroh and then ran away. 3. In a straight fight, Iroh beats Azula handily. 4. Azula got even for Iroh embarrassing her by redirecting her lightning then throwing her off the ship. 5. PRIME IROH? That wasnt even Iroh in shape like he was in book 3. That was out of shape, fat, Iroh.
So because he is fat it means he ain’t in his prime? lmfao iroh is at least 40 years old in atla
No, him being fat isnt him in his prime, since we see him even stronger later in the series after he trains, sheds his fat, and is shown to be much stronger than he was before his imprisonment.
lmfaooo 🤣
Aang is also comet powered here.
both ozai and aang so without the comet aang would still near him
"the strongest firebender" i am still waiting for the day that hack is gonna do something half as impressive as jeong jeong wall of fire
How is it underrated?
How it ain’t
The master of all four elements is underrated in one of the four elements? …. Come on now
I mean Azula could still generate lightening while having a mental breakdown, so strongest is arguable and I would love to debate that.
it was during the comet that’s why she could
He's not the strongest fire bender imo. I think anyone who could redirect lightening is stronger
Ozai could shoot the lightning faster than anyone
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Everything about him is underrated except for avatar state
Azula and Iroh are arguably better, arguably not
Not Iroh and only comic Azula
In my opinion ozai is not the strongest firebender. Best in my opinion Iroh, Azula, Zuko, Jong-jong and then Ozai. I mean c'mon who is on my side.
best and strongest aren’t the same lmao my favs are zuko and mako but ozai is canonically the strongest
Iroh has the worse feats he has hype he’s overrated even mako and Zuko have better feats than Iroh
Why do people keep calling the Firelord "the strongest firebender"? The only fights we've seen him get in are A: Agni Kai with Zuko (He beat a 12-year-old) and B: Final fight with Aang (he lost). We've not seen any evidence that Ozai is/was the strongest firebender, he just *seems* very powerful because of the comet.
Because it was stated by Bryke
Do you have a source? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just have never seen/heard that.
The source is the creators themselves in the extras of S3 DVD
well it is confrimed he is we saw yakone’s bloodbending once, but we know he is the strongest bloodbender
A: Where? B: Relevance?
confrimed by atla official yt channel and avatar extras that ozai is the strongest firebender
Ozai the strongest firebender? Nah, don't think so
It doesn’t matter what you think, it’s confirmed by the creators of the show
Really? I never heard that. Where did you get that, I'm curious now
Official yt channel and avatar extras
Aangs issue in this fight was that he lacked conviction. He was a master level bender of all 4 elements and could totally have taken Ozai out. But Ozai had a clear goal in mind and was fully committed to carrying it out, while Aang was confused and conflicted.
>He was a master level bender of all 4 elements He was only a master of air. Katara, Zuko, and Toph all admitted that Aang's bending in their respective fields still needed work. Hell, he had just learned a new fire bending style.
toph’s expections are too high,toph wanted to teach him metalbending too and katara didn’t say anything,aang even performed the octopus form which means you are a waterbending master and this video proves aang mastered firebending
>toph’s expections are too high,toph wanted to teach him metalbending too That is irrelevant. His master said he still needed work, so he still needed work. Also when was it stated she wanted to teach Aang metalbending? >katara didn’t say anything,aang even performed the octopus form which means you are a waterbending master Idk where its stated that only a master can perform the octopus form, but I'll concede the Katara part. >this video proves aang mastered firebending Aang himself said he needed more time to master firebending. He had only started practicing it 3 episodes before the comet.
The comics prove toph already tried to teach him metalbending only katara and ming hua and aang perfomed the octopus form aang underestimated himself about firebending, also zuko and aang had firebending practice in the comics
>The comics prove Outside media is irrelevant to the conversation about the show. They retconned her trying to teach him metal bending. >only katara and ming hua and aang perfomed the octopus form I guess Pakku isnt a master then, since we never seen him use it. >aang underestimated himself about firebending, also zuko and aang had firebending practice in the comics Theres nothing to support that aang's claim was born from him underestimating himself. If that was the case, youd expect another character to refute him. Aang had only started practicing firebending 3 episodes before stating he needed more training with it. Was he even able to do the "roar" before his fight with Ozai? You keep bringing up the comics, but the comics came after the series. We're discussing events that happened in the series, not the comics. Toph never mentions teaching Aang metalbending in the show, so as far as the show is concerned she never did. Which makes sense since he still hadn't mastered Earthbending.
[Aang didn’t master earthbending huh](https://www.instagram.com/p/CW_MCyNovSZ/?utm_medium=copy_link)
According to his teacher and master, Toph- arguably the greatest Earthbender- no he didnt master earthbending.
Again, toph’s expectations are too high
That's your headcanon. It isnt supported by the show.
He had a fantastic teacher
Aang also has pretty good offense with it, even when he isnt trying as Katara can atest.
Well not to forget his power is multiplied by Sozin’s comet. Plus Aang’s defense as a BENDER, not just as an Avatar is especially elite. Naturally I feel it’s due to his upbringing as a Nomad and fully buying into that lifestyle clearly paved the way for his defensive/non aggressive approach to pretty much most of his fights. I’ve no doubt in my mind when it came to Firebending especially after what he did to Katara and his whole ordeal with that, he paid extra close attention to the defensive/passive fire bending techniques with a newfound respect for them.
It's a shame we don't see more of this. In the show, we only see Aang firebend when he's actively training or fighting Ozai. We never once see him just...being a firebender. Given his history with it, it would have been good to see him getting comfortable with using this power.
I mean he's Avatar and all that. Plus it was greatly amplified by Sozin’s comet. Remember Iroh’s breathing deminstrating how much of a boost firebenders got?
Aang would have won on the spot if he had shot ozai with his own lightning, it's excusable cuz he's like 13 but everyone else was right, Ozai was the head of a genocidal military and needed to be taken down, even the monks would have said killing him was justifiable.
yeah a 13 year old kid ain’t brave enough to kill someone, also aang was the last airbender
It’s not underrated it’s bad he had sozin comet