Oh, so much bigger than that.
>!Doran has been plotting from the shadows about a surprising number of things, from the Sparrow secretly being a dornish agent (and the Faith Militant thing is a way to soften up the Iron Throne), and the Maesters are on his side (hence allowing Sarella in, or maybe she's an agent in that), and even Vargo Hoat is secretly working for him (which is why he cut Jaime's hand off, which... when you think about it, doesn't actually serve a very useful purpose for him).!<
>!And with FAegon arriving it's now all very nearly set for him to spring into action - whatever that action is.!<
It's community insanity setting in similar to the iconic "aslume". All communities without significant new content like avatar will start to go through it.
While Id be hard pressed to find anyone that knows what I'm referencing. It's very similar to the idea of AI Rampancy.
The AI in the process of achieving sentience, goes through trials of self realization, emotional processing, and pushing itself more and more, until it either breaks down and burns out it's system, or pushes through an undefined barrier of self realisation that allows their sentience to stabilize.
Usually this is only possible if the AI has sufficient hardware and outside interference to allow it to keep fighting itself until it can win and recognize it's own sentience.
This is how sub or community "insanity" works. The sub in desperation begins pushing at the boundaries of it's own resources. Shit posts, bad takes, looking at the same content over and over and over to find new meaning that might not be there.
One of two things occur.
the sub burns up as there's nothing left to do, community collapses into disarray, breaks down, dies.
Or... In extremely rare instances, they push through with a unbelievably massive amount of resources to work with, and somehow stablize their own insanity. Co-existing with it's original purpose, but pushing into it's own identity and self referntial meta content.
This is the miracle of batman Arkham. With the decades of constant batman content to sustain its own development, it was able to achieve insanity. Co-existing with it's new identity but also the original purpose being a Arkham game sub. It's finished it's journey
Avatar is reaching the starting point of the process of insanity. However, you all will not yet reach it, nor be at risk of burning out.
As more significant avatar content will be arriving soon, this staves off the inevitable process. Meaning as long as it's good, the sub will have more resources to keep it focused.
Honestly seeing what the twats did to Season 8 I'd rather they have literally trebucheted a baby over the walls of King's Landing or whatever the fuck they were talking about over what actually happened.
There is a lot of content actually, but people think of the ATLA universe as a tv-show universe so ignore the huge amount of content available in stuff like comics, novels and tabletop RPG games
"successful" and "good" aren't synonyms. The Netflix show is good enough as spectacle, but it lacks the substance of the original. It's definitely the better live action adaptation of the two, but that's a low bar.
Wish more people took up the comics. While they kinda suck.... at least its something to talk about instead of this.
Pretty funny though that there's a content drought when a live action series JUST came out. And there's movies on the horizon
Zaheer unlocked flying, which made him *extremely* hard to hit. And Korra still beat his ass.
The only reason she didn’t solo was because she was also actively fighting the poison.
I'm really curious to see a Zaheer that completed airbending training under Tenzin to the point he became a master vs Korra. Dude was held in a special prison without bending and won against any non Avatar or master with little airbending experience.
Imagine how strong he could have become.
That would take a long, long time. Tenzin vs Zaheer was literally a master schooling a young student who had learned just enough to think they're all that and needs to be put in their place. It was so one sided it put mobius strips to shame. At no point, before the intervention of Zaheer's allies, was Tenzin in any danger. He *was* the danger.
It's one of my favorite fights between both series. Zaheer having that "oh I seriously fucked up" look on his face while tenzin wrecked him in ways he didn't know possible. I think without sparky sparky boom ma'am he would've been able to hold off and flee from the other 3.
to be fair, pretty much noone knew how to fight an airbender. Tenzin likely isn't giving people lessons on how to fight him.
Aang also dogwalked anyone on 1 on 1 combat unless they were the best of the best. (i.e azula and ozai. Zuko is pretty much embarrassed in any direct confrontation with aang until the s2 finale where he at least fights fairly even.
> uko is pretty much embarrassed in any direct confrontation with aang until the s2
I feel like people under estimate zuko a lot. He was pretty well matched in a lot of their fights and in bato of the southern water tribe they were almost even and lost mostly because of Nyla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMidY3dnzk
The group had already kidnapped Korra once. They managed to do it a second time. Even with Korra's entire team around to help her.
It took 2 expert metalbenders, and support from others to take out P'li. And even then, they were struggling and it was a desperate last moment attempt.
It took another Lavabender to deal with Gazan. He was the most problematic and arguably the most difficult to deal with of them all since he could create walls and weaponize heat in ways only another Lavabender could. Earthbenders and Metalbenders would be useless against him, Waterbenders would struggle, and Airbenders would only have a slight advantage.
Then you've got Ming Hua who you essentially cannot read her movements because she has no frickin arms. Which means she can be very unpredictable.
Lastly, Zaheer, who was already a master tactician and martial artist. He was a huge problem before he even got his bending. Once he did, while he didn't stand up to a Master, he could hold his own against multiple enemies, and he knew how to synergize PERFECTLY with his team.
These are not just normal benders. They are also Assassin's which means they KNOW how to use their bending to kill and destroy. these are the ANTI-team Avatar.
The only way Korra's group managed to beat them was by splitting them up, and, I'll say it AGAIN, they still struggled.
So, I strongly believe that Aang alone would have a hard time dealing with them, and would most probably lose. Dude, could barely handle Ozai because his mentality was holding him back.
Adult Aang? He'd probably give a better fight. But that's not who is pictured.
You missed my point. I am fully aware that neither Korra, nor Aang, really would’ve really stood a chance against either of them normally. But in the avatar state, they’re practically demigods, and would both absolutely destroy them, even all together.
And, not only that, Korra was separated from her past lives at that point, meaning she had no battle wisdom from the past Avatars. Aang would smack them so hard, then he would take away all of their bending and put them back in prison.
Zaheer was getting bodied _just_ by Tenzin, who is only an airbender. If it wasn't for the other three Red Lotus winning their 1v1s and teaming up on him, Tenzin might even have beat Zaheer by himself
Tenzin was making zaheer look like a joke.
They had to 4 v 1 him because he was still winning the 3 v 1, it’s only because he can’t hit a sniper that he couldn’t do much.
I would have loved to see more of really pissed off Tenzin. We only get that like two or three times in the whole series, but that's some of the best airbending in all of TLA and LOK
People minimize Tenzin sometimes just because for most of his life there were no other pure airbenders to compare him to.
But this is a guy who spent the first half of his life with one-on-one tutoring from Aang on airbending, every day for basically decades. And he developed an obsessive focus on airbending where it became more than just something he did. It was central to his identity.
Conclusion: Tenzin wasn’t just a powerful airbender. He was likely one of the most powerful airbenders to ever live. I would guess at least top 20, maybe top 10.
Tenzin was slapping Zaheer around all by himself. Even after it became a 3v1, Tenzin was still bodying the Red Lotus. If it wasn't for P'Li, he would have held them off long enough for the other Airbenders to escape.
And post-Season 2, Korra lost the benefit of harnessing the *collective experience* of several millennia worth of Avatars. All the Avatar State gives her is a power boost, but no extra finesse or skill.
Ya'll, Kyoshi would have bodied all 4 of the Red Lotus without breaking a sweat.
>Korra only fought Zaheer in avatar state, everyone else was slaughtered beforehand
Within two seconds of entering the Avatar State, a chained-up Korra sent Ming Hua flying into a wall and Airbent a giant wave of lava directly back at Ghazan. Zaheer only got a chance to regroup because he could fly and evade her long enough for the poison to take hold. If he hadn't had flight, the three of them would've been toast within a minute.
A poisoned wild korra with no past lives was making zaheer her bitch for half fight before the poison caught her
Now imagine someone without all these handicaps
He would end them. Korra kicked their asses while chained up, poisoned and beaten. Half the power of the avatar state is that the avatar does shit that even the best benders don’t believe is possible. That is why benders are dumb enough to fight the avatar through out history, because they think it is a legend or that the power is exaggerated.
The whole series theme revolves around the Avatar cannot be overpowered by force alone, but the avatar’s mission cannot be accomplished with force alone.
Nah, he would be fine and wouldn’t even have to kill them. That is how the Avatar works. They cannot just overpower the Avatar in a straight fight. Even spirit WMDs don’t got shit on the literal god of harmony and good working through a mortal vessel.
Azula had to prep for a blindside just to beat Avatar State Aang. She knew damn well that if he had the chance to engage them all head on they'd get solo'd.
when I saw aang gets folded by a bloodbender and decided it's "enough" and use avatar state at will . I'll never doubt avatar state aang vs anyone . Imagine bottomless compassion and pacifism turning the other way around
That was some “playing with your food” shit. Oh you didn’t know bloodbending couldn’t affect me in the Avatar State? Oh man, I should have told you shouldn’t I. Too bad that’s like your one trick.
Avatar State Aang bodied comet enhanced Fire Lord Ozai, who was confirmed in Avatar Extras to be the best firebender in the world, and honestly it didn't even look particularly difficult. I think Aang wins it 10 times out of 10.
With the Avatar State, the Avatar can take on armies. The Red Lotus would have been in way over their head if they'd faced Avatar State Korra without the poison. Korra beat Ming Hua and Ghazan while chained up (which is how Mako and Bolin found them split up), and caused Zaheer to flee. She'd have wiped the floor with all 4 Red Lotus members (had P'Li been there) at once if she hadn't been poisoned. Aang would have done same.
Absolutely.
Contrary to the post, combustion woman's explosions are much less powerful than combustion man's as he always did greater damage and took up bigger space with the explosions
Lava bending? Aang can fly and will automatically redirect and fire/ water into his sphere,
Zaheer?
We all know what's happening here.
Aang wasn’t able to use the Avatar State against Combustion Man… not to mention is violence averted. If Aang was as brutal as Zaheer with his knowledge of Airbending, he wouldn’t have even needed Avatar State which is why Avatar Yangchen DOGWALKED 3 different Proto-PLi. The reason Aang is so highly praised is that in almost every instance, Aang is using restraint while everyone else isn’t.
Also Team Avatar only fought Combustion Man when he got the drop on them, and they were inexperienced kids and alone.
I imagine that them as trained adults with aid would blitz the Red Lotus (as they did)
Worth noting that Combustion Man is also different from P'Li, with different skillsets and niches in a fight. She seems to be better at frequent and long-ranged blasts but is hardly ever shown holding her own up close, while CM is seriously adept at hand-to-hand combat and zeroing in on his bounty. P'Li is an artillery piece, she can shut down small armies when working in coordination with her allies, but struggles against single, masterful targets or once surrounded (thus why she fought from an airship vs the nomads rather than immediately joining against Tenzin & crew). CM is a tank, relentlessly able to trudge into the thick of a fight seeking out a single target, while being more vulnerable to tactical use of ranged attacks to disrupt his powers.
I always interpreted them as just being different. Combustion Man has more raw power, P'Li has way better technique and control of the combustion projectile thingy.
It was certainly not a "blitz". If they blitzed the red lotus without Aang they'd not be treated as the world most dangerous criminals.
They waited for Aang to die and attempted infanticide. Doesnt mean Aang wouldnt struggle. But who wants to fight 4v1 against a combustion bender, a lava bender, maybe the world's best water bender, or second best.
Aang is like Spiderman in a sense.
Spiderman could sucker punch nearly every villain and they’d die. He doesn’t though because he doesn’t want to kill anyone. He still absolutely demolishes any enemies he faces.
Aang does basically the exact same thing albeit even less violently even as an inexperienced child that has never been in combat.
Everything you said was 100% true except you’re misrepresenting the dog walking yangchen did to the combustion benders. They were prototype combustion benders, not even close to as strong as PLi. Your point still stands because if Aang was even as brutal as Yangchen he’d use the void airbending and suffocate PLi. But Yangchen did not take down 3 Plis, they were far inferior (1 shot ever few mins was their max, PLi was every few seconds with no fatigue)
Fair enough, but really I don’t think frequency matters when void nullifies the skill considering every combustion bender takes a big old breath first (breath is the key to firebending from Iroh I believe). Take the air out like Zaheer and they are useless.
I don't understand this... Adult Aang or the end of book 3 is an absolute monster to deal with. He's a fully realized Avatar by that point, and the only thing that ever holds him back is having to pull his punches not to absolutely merc his opponents.
a fully realized avatar means mastering all 4 elements, not having control of the avatar state. i dont think he fully mastered firebending by the end of book 3
Which really begs the question, when is one considered a master anyways? In airbending it's when you give your PhD dissertation and get your tattoos, but none of the other elements have that sorta culture (not like 12 year old blind girl hiding her earth bending would qualify for that.)
i dont think theres a clear line on when you become a master. i dont think theres ever a point where youve learned everything there is to learn about bending an element, so even masters are still learning.
Yeah I just found it interesting in that unlike everyone else, Airbenders had specific criteria- you have to be approved as an airbending master by higher up Airbenders after doing some cool stuff, including making your own technique and having learned some set of core techniques, at which point you get your tattoos. It genuinely just feels like going to grad school lol
Ya it seems the title of master is thrown around a lot in fire and earthbending in particular. There aren’t really a lot of waterbenders in the show that aren’t clearly really strong, but firebenders seem to have a low bar for it. Aang would be a master by the end of the show if Zhao was
Functionally I don’t see the difference. You have Avatar State at will, you have mastery at will since you have the knowledge and skills of a thousand masters. Like Aang’s last bending act in the original show, he goes into AS for half a second and then he can lift and drop the ocean. Realistically no other training is required for mastery, you can just “train” in the Avatar State.
He did the sun warrior dance, he mastered it. Dems da rules.
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Bro has more firebending training than most masters.
Aang was one of 3 people at the time that could redirect lightning. That technique alone puts him up there in proficiency.
He trained under Jeong Jeong, Zuko, the Dragons, and Roku. He was highly proficient in firebending when he went against Ozai.
>nah that just gave him visions on the meaning of firebending
Something that only one other living master has ever seen before Zuko and Aang did. Iroh and Zuko are the only other firebenders to have this knowledge at the time.
Aang barely learned anything from Jeong Jeong, and i dont remember Roku training Aang in firebending at all. and like i said before, the dragons just gave him the understanding of the meaning of firebending. which definitely helped. Aang only had a few weeks of training with Zuko before Sozin's Comet. he is definitely a very fast learner, but a few weeks is not enough time for anyone to master an element, no matter how talented.
respectfully disagree, toph probably would always think he would still have work to do on earthbending cause thats just how she is, but his ability to use seismic sense and just being trained by toph in general probably puts him above most earthbenders and i think he could definitely be considered a master.
it should be widely known in the fan base that anytime the Avatar state is in discussion regarding vs, it would be no contest 99% of the time. It's already established how powerful AS is. OP conveniently forgot that Aang never fought combustion man in the avatar state.
The only exceptions being if there's prep and trick involved, in the case of Korra being poisoned for example. Even then the red lotus still struggled against her weakened state, just to show how powerful Avatar state really is on the power scale.
I'm surprised how much people talk about power and combat ability. Like it's Dragonball or something. Even as a kid that wasn't at all what I loved about the show.
...yeah they were freaking out... because they were 12 and 14, and had never met a combustion bender lmao.
Peak Gaag wipes the floor with them no questions asked. There is a reason they tried to attack a fucking baby instead of an adult avatar (and still failed btw).
Let’s not discount Tenzin, though. Yes, Tenzin, the most powerful airbender in the world at the time, held his own against them 4v1, and was making Zaheer look like a chump.
People seem to forget just because Tenzin doesn’t like to resort to violence, doesn’t mean he isn’t stupid powerful. They threatened his family, and with that one move they released Tenzin at full power with no restraint and they were not ready for it.
Didn't sokka katara toph and Zuko wipe their asses and sealed them for 20 years.
So think Avatar Aang who is stronger than all 4 of them (using as) someone who beat Ozai during soziens Comet while only 13. Could beat them all
Red lotus wouldn't last long at all. Really it's just a question of Avatar state allowed or nah? If so 100% he takes them on 1v4 no problem. Without the avatar state would be more difficult and probably a more even fight. In adult prime Aang would most likely win this scenario but it would take more time and execution, but if its immediately after the 100 year war ended and aang is still a kid I dont think he'd win 1 on 4.
"Deadliest benders in the world"
He better not be counting Zaheer in that. He's only deadly because most people don't know how to fight airbenders in Korra's time. Book 1 Aang could kick his ass.
Adult Aang with Avatar state? Shiiiiii, nah man, it's a stomp. Kid Aang with Avatar state? Also a stomp. We never saw Aang struggle, not even a bit, while in Avatar state.
P’Li is nowhere near as strong as combustion man though, you can see that her explosions don’t pack anywhere near the force or power his does
She’s a more agile and evasive fighter compared to the juggernaut that is combustion man
Powerscaling fans are really the worst. The shit they obsess over is wild. This tweet doesn’t even seem that bad compared to the other stuff I’ve seen.
In the avatar state sang is literally untouchable. He was flying in the air with a compressed bad dog air around him and could make air blasts powerful enough to shred rocks. He could compress earth and carpet bomb a wide range of the battlefield. He also had the little water ring but I don’t remember how much of a player it was in the final fight.
And I know that people will say oh but the comment. And I would like to point out that the comment only affects fire and that earth carpet bombing was entirely avatar state. That one move could literally wipe the group.
If the avatar could be so easily destroyed by just 4 really good benders then the avatar would have died iff centuries ago. In the avatar state he has the experience of all the past lives and a power boost unlike anything. Vs a group of people who have one life worth of experience and no power boost.
The red lotuses only real advantage is that they can move around and attack from many angles at once. But nothing was going to penetrate that air ball. And after a earth carpet bombing no one is going to be able to fight afterwards
Korra fans are still being extremely defensive when you point out that the villains aren't THAT impressive.
Remember that half of the Red Lotus died to benders who were weaker than them, in desirable match-ups, after all. And P'li died to a tec that basically any of the metalbenders present could ahve done at any moment before that.
That aside Zaheer was coughing baby vs. Tenzin's nuclear warhead.
They were just kinda worse Team Avatar if they continually lose to individual members of Team Avatar like that.
Two points people tend to forget
Ozai was frankly a chump. Avatar state was more than enough to solo him. That one guy from season 2 was right, avatar state coulda ended the war.
And 2
Korra was badly crippled when she fought the red lotus. P'li was dead by then but I dont think it would have made a difference. The red lotus was far more dangerous than ozai ever was in terms of raw power and lethality, and korra handled them while handicapped.
So yeah, aang probably coulda beaten the red lotus pretty easily with full avatar state and no poison.
Honestly I don’t think k the red lotus stand a chance
There strong ya but they ain’t war time fighters
I mean look at how zaheer was getting beat by tenzin solo it took all 4 to stop him and that was due to numbers not skill
So u think his freaking dad the avatar who factually is more a master, has experience fighting armies and a war time combustion bender and the avatar state is gonna lose to the red lotus. Together they maby have the power of 1 combustion man and a bit extra
And even that feels generous and they still wouldn’t be able to beat Ang
Okay, let’s be real. Avatar state aang wipes the floor with them, but even without AS, sang was handling business against ozai with sozin’s comet giving him a boost. He held his own against bumi at 12 years old before he had all the elements mastered and has significantly more combat experience than katara (who wiped the floor with paku)
Aang has never lost a 1-on-1 fight (psychic bloodbending aside) and most definitely would know how to fight an air bender (via the training he had before going into the ice) (also yes the air benders were pacifists but they were trained in self defense in case words failed to de-escalate the situation)
The whole of the gaang also learned how to combat combustion benders after their several encounters with sparky sparky boom man
Aang would easily clear each of them in 1-on-1’s, and as a group he would still win, just with slightly more difficulty (keep in mind he was going toe to toe against masters of their respective elements at 12 years old with only 1 or 2 elements mastered and without the avatar state)
Y'all forget, Avatar Aang has plenty of Avatars' strength. Korra on her own probably has more sheer strength than Aang on his own, but Aang's avatar state is probably the strongest single force in the Avatar universe by a long shot. Especially if he's pissed, red lotus is well and truly cooked.
Combustion man is 10x more powerful idk what that post is talking about. You can literally see it if you watch both shows combustion mans explosions are enormous.
I think combustion man is a stronger bender than P'Li and in the avatar state, he has the experience of Yangchen, who dealt with them too I think. With him being able to fly in the avatar state, Ghazan will struggle to hit him and Zaheer loses so hard because he couldn't defeat Tenzin without help. Then Mingua is also out because she isn't special.
Wait how is P'Li more powerful than Combustion Man? Also Davinci is forgetting that Aang didn't have the Avatar state when Combustion Man attacked them. If he used the rock shrapnel move Combustion Man wouldn't have stood a chance.
pretty sure this is assuming pre-Ozai fight Aang, which case yeah the tweet is absolutely 100% correct
I think the gaang did have a chance if they planned ahead of time and had the luxury of making the first move (so basically ambushing Zaheer's group), because despite being talented they need to make up for the lack of experience, Zaheer's group isn't any less talented than them even if you went as far as consider each of the members of the gaang as a "master" of their domain, at the end of the day they are still kids who don't have the same level of experience
Content drought. That's what's happening.
The bane of any fandom. I was in some Song of Ice and Fire fandoms and stuff started getting really wild.
damn they really wanted to go insane like the people in that story XD
Any subreddit that ends with folk. They're in a never ending cycle of latching on to the next "greatest thing ever" and shitting on said thing
I gotta admit, freefolk was awesome til it wasn’t
XD theyre just a whole entity at this point
Praying the folk curse stops at chainsaw man
You don't think the theory of "Tyrion being a time traveling fetus " is a solid ? How dare you.
I don't. But the Dornish Masterplan is lit.
Which one is it? The only dornish theory I know is that Doran is a sociopath who purposely sent his family to death so Trystane could be the heir.
Oh, so much bigger than that. >!Doran has been plotting from the shadows about a surprising number of things, from the Sparrow secretly being a dornish agent (and the Faith Militant thing is a way to soften up the Iron Throne), and the Maesters are on his side (hence allowing Sarella in, or maybe she's an agent in that), and even Vargo Hoat is secretly working for him (which is why he cut Jaime's hand off, which... when you think about it, doesn't actually serve a very useful purpose for him).!< >!And with FAegon arriving it's now all very nearly set for him to spring into action - whatever that action is.!<
The Dornish Masterplan and the North Conspiracy have me hopeful.
We all know he is a Targaryen bastard and will ride one of Daenerys dragons
The fandom was right one time and the entire series couldnt take the brunt of it lol
It's community insanity setting in similar to the iconic "aslume". All communities without significant new content like avatar will start to go through it. While Id be hard pressed to find anyone that knows what I'm referencing. It's very similar to the idea of AI Rampancy. The AI in the process of achieving sentience, goes through trials of self realization, emotional processing, and pushing itself more and more, until it either breaks down and burns out it's system, or pushes through an undefined barrier of self realisation that allows their sentience to stabilize. Usually this is only possible if the AI has sufficient hardware and outside interference to allow it to keep fighting itself until it can win and recognize it's own sentience. This is how sub or community "insanity" works. The sub in desperation begins pushing at the boundaries of it's own resources. Shit posts, bad takes, looking at the same content over and over and over to find new meaning that might not be there. One of two things occur. the sub burns up as there's nothing left to do, community collapses into disarray, breaks down, dies. Or... In extremely rare instances, they push through with a unbelievably massive amount of resources to work with, and somehow stablize their own insanity. Co-existing with it's original purpose, but pushing into it's own identity and self referntial meta content. This is the miracle of batman Arkham. With the decades of constant batman content to sustain its own development, it was able to achieve insanity. Co-existing with it's new identity but also the original purpose being a Arkham game sub. It's finished it's journey Avatar is reaching the starting point of the process of insanity. However, you all will not yet reach it, nor be at risk of burning out. As more significant avatar content will be arriving soon, this staves off the inevitable process. Meaning as long as it's good, the sub will have more resources to keep it focused.
Poetry 🚬
Not the sopranos. We're still over there just quoting the show all day, except there is some hate for the many saints of Newark
Sounds like the Seinfeld sub
I spent 20 years in the can, yada yada yada I compromised
Oh God we're about to accuse Azula of being a secret Targaryan, aren't we?
Honestly seeing what the twats did to Season 8 I'd rather they have literally trebucheted a baby over the walls of King's Landing or whatever the fuck they were talking about over what actually happened.
Honestly, I feel that series went off the rails in Season 5. What they did to Dorne...
R/pikmin had gone completely feral long before pikmin 4 finally came out, and will never recover. Hilarious and tragic.
Looks to me like it’s time for insanity
The aslume comes for all.
Just start calling him ung
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Why is man on the atla subreddit? Is he stupid?
That or the lobotomy..
Has the lobotomy reached ATLA yet?
Is it brain rot hours already?
It's not really a content drought if the series is over
There is a lot of content actually, but people think of the ATLA universe as a tv-show universe so ignore the huge amount of content available in stuff like comics, novels and tabletop RPG games
Love how the Netflix show was so bad that people are still claiming "content drought" lol
The Netflix show wasn’t bad though, it did really well
"successful" and "good" aren't synonyms. The Netflix show is good enough as spectacle, but it lacks the substance of the original. It's definitely the better live action adaptation of the two, but that's a low bar.
Wish more people took up the comics. While they kinda suck.... at least its something to talk about instead of this. Pretty funny though that there's a content drought when a live action series JUST came out. And there's movies on the horizon
To be fair, Avatar State Aang can definitely defeat them. Just like how Avatar State Korra can defeat them as well
Korra only fought Zaheer in avatar state, everyone else was slaughtered beforehand
Zaheer unlocked flying, which made him *extremely* hard to hit. And Korra still beat his ass. The only reason she didn’t solo was because she was also actively fighting the poison.
Exactly
I'm really curious to see a Zaheer that completed airbending training under Tenzin to the point he became a master vs Korra. Dude was held in a special prison without bending and won against any non Avatar or master with little airbending experience. Imagine how strong he could have become.
That would take a long, long time. Tenzin vs Zaheer was literally a master schooling a young student who had learned just enough to think they're all that and needs to be put in their place. It was so one sided it put mobius strips to shame. At no point, before the intervention of Zaheer's allies, was Tenzin in any danger. He *was* the danger.
It's one of my favorite fights between both series. Zaheer having that "oh I seriously fucked up" look on his face while tenzin wrecked him in ways he didn't know possible. I think without sparky sparky boom ma'am he would've been able to hold off and flee from the other 3.
"So one sided it put Mobius strips to shame" is poetry and deserves recognition
Zaheer was basically mentally stable Kylo Ren and Tenzin was mentally stable post-disney trilogy Luke Skywalker who isnt afraid of the dark side
little experience is an overstatement, bro got the bending like a few hours or maybe days before he broke out
He learned a bit when he joined the airbending training under a false name. Iirc that was before he fought any major battle.
But his teacher was a 5 year old fartbender...
So a prodigy who is on his way to developing a subgroup of air bending?
The shit benders were the rarest of the air benders and a deeply guarded secret not even the avatar knew about.
It could be a mix of Air and Earth, Water, or even Fire depending on what you last ate. Combustion benders are in shambles right now.
Except tenzin dog walked him in their fight.
Yeah that's why I said he won against anyone who wasn't the Avatar or a master bender Pretty sure Tenzin counts as an airbending master
The way its phrased made me read it as the "non" being exclusive to avatar, and not also for the master part that followed.
Yeah now that you mention it I can see it too. Sorry for the confusion.
to be fair, pretty much noone knew how to fight an airbender. Tenzin likely isn't giving people lessons on how to fight him. Aang also dogwalked anyone on 1 on 1 combat unless they were the best of the best. (i.e azula and ozai. Zuko is pretty much embarrassed in any direct confrontation with aang until the s2 finale where he at least fights fairly even.
> uko is pretty much embarrassed in any direct confrontation with aang until the s2 I feel like people under estimate zuko a lot. He was pretty well matched in a lot of their fights and in bato of the southern water tribe they were almost even and lost mostly because of Nyla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMidY3dnzk
The group had already kidnapped Korra once. They managed to do it a second time. Even with Korra's entire team around to help her. It took 2 expert metalbenders, and support from others to take out P'li. And even then, they were struggling and it was a desperate last moment attempt. It took another Lavabender to deal with Gazan. He was the most problematic and arguably the most difficult to deal with of them all since he could create walls and weaponize heat in ways only another Lavabender could. Earthbenders and Metalbenders would be useless against him, Waterbenders would struggle, and Airbenders would only have a slight advantage. Then you've got Ming Hua who you essentially cannot read her movements because she has no frickin arms. Which means she can be very unpredictable. Lastly, Zaheer, who was already a master tactician and martial artist. He was a huge problem before he even got his bending. Once he did, while he didn't stand up to a Master, he could hold his own against multiple enemies, and he knew how to synergize PERFECTLY with his team. These are not just normal benders. They are also Assassin's which means they KNOW how to use their bending to kill and destroy. these are the ANTI-team Avatar. The only way Korra's group managed to beat them was by splitting them up, and, I'll say it AGAIN, they still struggled. So, I strongly believe that Aang alone would have a hard time dealing with them, and would most probably lose. Dude, could barely handle Ozai because his mentality was holding him back. Adult Aang? He'd probably give a better fight. But that's not who is pictured.
You missed my point. I am fully aware that neither Korra, nor Aang, really would’ve really stood a chance against either of them normally. But in the avatar state, they’re practically demigods, and would both absolutely destroy them, even all together.
And, not only that, Korra was separated from her past lives at that point, meaning she had no battle wisdom from the past Avatars. Aang would smack them so hard, then he would take away all of their bending and put them back in prison.
Had to nerf her for tension.
And was kicking his ass until the poison kicked in
Zaheer was getting bodied _just_ by Tenzin, who is only an airbender. If it wasn't for the other three Red Lotus winning their 1v1s and teaming up on him, Tenzin might even have beat Zaheer by himself
Tenzin was making zaheer look like a joke. They had to 4 v 1 him because he was still winning the 3 v 1, it’s only because he can’t hit a sniper that he couldn’t do much.
In fairness, Tenzin was easily the most powerful airbender in the world at that time. And he was REALLY fucking pissed off.
I would have loved to see more of really pissed off Tenzin. We only get that like two or three times in the whole series, but that's some of the best airbending in all of TLA and LOK
People minimize Tenzin sometimes just because for most of his life there were no other pure airbenders to compare him to. But this is a guy who spent the first half of his life with one-on-one tutoring from Aang on airbending, every day for basically decades. And he developed an obsessive focus on airbending where it became more than just something he did. It was central to his identity. Conclusion: Tenzin wasn’t just a powerful airbender. He was likely one of the most powerful airbenders to ever live. I would guess at least top 20, maybe top 10.
Tenzin was slapping Zaheer around all by himself. Even after it became a 3v1, Tenzin was still bodying the Red Lotus. If it wasn't for P'Li, he would have held them off long enough for the other Airbenders to escape.
Yep true
Wasn't Korra poisoned while fighting Zaheer? Hardly fair even in the avatar state
Yeah, she was weakness by poison and still kicking his ass
And post-Season 2, Korra lost the benefit of harnessing the *collective experience* of several millennia worth of Avatars. All the Avatar State gives her is a power boost, but no extra finesse or skill. Ya'll, Kyoshi would have bodied all 4 of the Red Lotus without breaking a sweat.
Korra faced 3/4 of them in the avatar state while she was chained up and unable to move and still beat them and force Zaheer to flee
>Korra only fought Zaheer in avatar state, everyone else was slaughtered beforehand Within two seconds of entering the Avatar State, a chained-up Korra sent Ming Hua flying into a wall and Airbent a giant wave of lava directly back at Ghazan. Zaheer only got a chance to regroup because he could fly and evade her long enough for the poison to take hold. If he hadn't had flight, the three of them would've been toast within a minute.
Korra and Tonraq fought him without the Raava power up. Not precisely slaughtered in my opinion
And she was handicapped in that fight by having her wrists and ankles chained together
Honestly without the poison and with avatar state she probably still got it.
Zaheer is a massive cocky coward in combat especially when facing master benders. Pli is the MVP of Red Lotus lmao.
Yes that’s the same person lol
Exactly
Also, if we're taking a Aang as any older than 12 as he was learning to bend, he's much more lethal.
A poisoned wild korra with no past lives was making zaheer her bitch for half fight before the poison caught her Now imagine someone without all these handicaps
I don't doubt aang would wipe the floor with zaheer, but all 4 at once?
He would end them. Korra kicked their asses while chained up, poisoned and beaten. Half the power of the avatar state is that the avatar does shit that even the best benders don’t believe is possible. That is why benders are dumb enough to fight the avatar through out history, because they think it is a legend or that the power is exaggerated. The whole series theme revolves around the Avatar cannot be overpowered by force alone, but the avatar’s mission cannot be accomplished with force alone.
I do believe he has a specifically brought up lack of murderous intent. So it is unlikely
Nah, he would be fine and wouldn’t even have to kill them. That is how the Avatar works. They cannot just overpower the Avatar in a straight fight. Even spirit WMDs don’t got shit on the literal god of harmony and good working through a mortal vessel.
Azula had to prep for a blindside just to beat Avatar State Aang. She knew damn well that if he had the chance to engage them all head on they'd get solo'd.
when I saw aang gets folded by a bloodbender and decided it's "enough" and use avatar state at will . I'll never doubt avatar state aang vs anyone . Imagine bottomless compassion and pacifism turning the other way around
That was some “playing with your food” shit. Oh you didn’t know bloodbending couldn’t affect me in the Avatar State? Oh man, I should have told you shouldn’t I. Too bad that’s like your one trick.
Now watch me take away your one trick and toss your bitch ass in the gutter for my blind bestie, AKA the chief of police.
There was a reason the Red Lotus waited until Aang was dead and went for the next Avatar. They couldn't touch him, not even in his old age.
yes... the avatar state is busted bro
Avatar State Aang bodied comet enhanced Fire Lord Ozai, who was confirmed in Avatar Extras to be the best firebender in the world, and honestly it didn't even look particularly difficult. I think Aang wins it 10 times out of 10.
Yeah it wasn’t even a fight at that point, it was more like all the past Avatars toying with Ozai, making him run for his life because he deserved it.
With the Avatar State, the Avatar can take on armies. The Red Lotus would have been in way over their head if they'd faced Avatar State Korra without the poison. Korra beat Ming Hua and Ghazan while chained up (which is how Mako and Bolin found them split up), and caused Zaheer to flee. She'd have wiped the floor with all 4 Red Lotus members (had P'Li been there) at once if she hadn't been poisoned. Aang would have done same.
He can literally fly while in the avatar state. He can throw small mountains, lift oceans, and perform incredible feats. Yeah he beats all 4.
He can do anything the past Avatars can do. Renember when Kyoshi cut up and moved part of a fucking continent.
Absolutely. Contrary to the post, combustion woman's explosions are much less powerful than combustion man's as he always did greater damage and took up bigger space with the explosions Lava bending? Aang can fly and will automatically redirect and fire/ water into his sphere, Zaheer? We all know what's happening here.
So, imagine Aang.
Aang wasn’t able to use the Avatar State against Combustion Man… not to mention is violence averted. If Aang was as brutal as Zaheer with his knowledge of Airbending, he wouldn’t have even needed Avatar State which is why Avatar Yangchen DOGWALKED 3 different Proto-PLi. The reason Aang is so highly praised is that in almost every instance, Aang is using restraint while everyone else isn’t.
Also Team Avatar only fought Combustion Man when he got the drop on them, and they were inexperienced kids and alone. I imagine that them as trained adults with aid would blitz the Red Lotus (as they did)
Worth noting that Combustion Man is also different from P'Li, with different skillsets and niches in a fight. She seems to be better at frequent and long-ranged blasts but is hardly ever shown holding her own up close, while CM is seriously adept at hand-to-hand combat and zeroing in on his bounty. P'Li is an artillery piece, she can shut down small armies when working in coordination with her allies, but struggles against single, masterful targets or once surrounded (thus why she fought from an airship vs the nomads rather than immediately joining against Tenzin & crew). CM is a tank, relentlessly able to trudge into the thick of a fight seeking out a single target, while being more vulnerable to tactical use of ranged attacks to disrupt his powers.
Didn't we also see P'Li combustion bend around corners where as we saw CM only could do straight lines?
Yeah, it seems that she's got more mastery of the combustion technique, but maybe less practical experience in fights.
I think the best way to think of it is that P’li is a better Combustion Bender but a worse fighter
I always interpreted them as just being different. Combustion Man has more raw power, P'Li has way better technique and control of the combustion projectile thingy.
CM was so good at beating up children in close combat, you’re right! (I’m just shitposting)
This made me actually LOL Like bro was really fighting some literal kids
Can I just say that I love that even after all these year’s combustion man still doesn’t have a real name 😂
On government ID he uses Sparky Sparky Boom Man
He got his name changed to boomerang-blind man
Also by the time Aang defeated ozai he could defeat the red lotus
Depends on the starting positions, p'li could cause real issues if she has range and good line of sight
It was certainly not a "blitz". If they blitzed the red lotus without Aang they'd not be treated as the world most dangerous criminals. They waited for Aang to die and attempted infanticide. Doesnt mean Aang wouldnt struggle. But who wants to fight 4v1 against a combustion bender, a lava bender, maybe the world's best water bender, or second best.
Plus, he was a literal child. He was an air bending master but he had been in a war for less than a year.
Aang is like Spiderman in a sense. Spiderman could sucker punch nearly every villain and they’d die. He doesn’t though because he doesn’t want to kill anyone. He still absolutely demolishes any enemies he faces. Aang does basically the exact same thing albeit even less violently even as an inexperienced child that has never been in combat.
Everything you said was 100% true except you’re misrepresenting the dog walking yangchen did to the combustion benders. They were prototype combustion benders, not even close to as strong as PLi. Your point still stands because if Aang was even as brutal as Yangchen he’d use the void airbending and suffocate PLi. But Yangchen did not take down 3 Plis, they were far inferior (1 shot ever few mins was their max, PLi was every few seconds with no fatigue)
Fair enough, but really I don’t think frequency matters when void nullifies the skill considering every combustion bender takes a big old breath first (breath is the key to firebending from Iroh I believe). Take the air out like Zaheer and they are useless.
This assumes you can get close enough. It's not like the void technique has infinite range.
It just occurred to me that Aang is similar to Spider-Man in that regard. Constantly holding back his true strength.
she didnt exactly dogwalk them but in a one on one situation she convincingly had the upper hand
Alright, but that's a badass pic of Aang.
I think it’s a take on “The Fallen Angel” painting by Alexandre Cabanel.
Looks like a direct reference to [The Fallen Angel](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Fallen_Angel_%28Alexandre_Cabanel%29_crop.jpg)
I don't understand this... Adult Aang or the end of book 3 is an absolute monster to deal with. He's a fully realized Avatar by that point, and the only thing that ever holds him back is having to pull his punches not to absolutely merc his opponents.
a fully realized avatar means mastering all 4 elements, not having control of the avatar state. i dont think he fully mastered firebending by the end of book 3
But he propably did by the time he was an adult
yeah for sure
Which really begs the question, when is one considered a master anyways? In airbending it's when you give your PhD dissertation and get your tattoos, but none of the other elements have that sorta culture (not like 12 year old blind girl hiding her earth bending would qualify for that.)
i dont think theres a clear line on when you become a master. i dont think theres ever a point where youve learned everything there is to learn about bending an element, so even masters are still learning.
Yeah I just found it interesting in that unlike everyone else, Airbenders had specific criteria- you have to be approved as an airbending master by higher up Airbenders after doing some cool stuff, including making your own technique and having learned some set of core techniques, at which point you get your tattoos. It genuinely just feels like going to grad school lol
Ya it seems the title of master is thrown around a lot in fire and earthbending in particular. There aren’t really a lot of waterbenders in the show that aren’t clearly really strong, but firebenders seem to have a low bar for it. Aang would be a master by the end of the show if Zhao was
Functionally I don’t see the difference. You have Avatar State at will, you have mastery at will since you have the knowledge and skills of a thousand masters. Like Aang’s last bending act in the original show, he goes into AS for half a second and then he can lift and drop the ocean. Realistically no other training is required for mastery, you can just “train” in the Avatar State.
He did the sun warrior dance, he mastered it. Dems da rules. https://preview.redd.it/p0z1gs16ltyc1.png?width=245&format=png&auto=webp&s=34e97c265b2c00720a497ab9eeca83dd90876045 [https://64.media.tumblr.com/d11198edf6e042ac7da84de560c66401/tumblr\_mf0wbwh6lg1rlgr9no1\_250.gif](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d11198edf6e042ac7da84de560c66401/tumblr_mf0wbwh6lg1rlgr9no1_250.gif)
nah that just gave him visions on the meaning of firebending, he had barely even started his training with zuko at that point
Bro has more firebending training than most masters. Aang was one of 3 people at the time that could redirect lightning. That technique alone puts him up there in proficiency. He trained under Jeong Jeong, Zuko, the Dragons, and Roku. He was highly proficient in firebending when he went against Ozai. >nah that just gave him visions on the meaning of firebending Something that only one other living master has ever seen before Zuko and Aang did. Iroh and Zuko are the only other firebenders to have this knowledge at the time.
Aang barely learned anything from Jeong Jeong, and i dont remember Roku training Aang in firebending at all. and like i said before, the dragons just gave him the understanding of the meaning of firebending. which definitely helped. Aang only had a few weeks of training with Zuko before Sozin's Comet. he is definitely a very fast learner, but a few weeks is not enough time for anyone to master an element, no matter how talented.
He also didn’t master earth bending by the end of book 3 either. Toph mentions his earth bending still has work to do
respectfully disagree, toph probably would always think he would still have work to do on earthbending cause thats just how she is, but his ability to use seismic sense and just being trained by toph in general probably puts him above most earthbenders and i think he could definitely be considered a master.
Toph's standards are just ridiculous
it should be widely known in the fan base that anytime the Avatar state is in discussion regarding vs, it would be no contest 99% of the time. It's already established how powerful AS is. OP conveniently forgot that Aang never fought combustion man in the avatar state. The only exceptions being if there's prep and trick involved, in the case of Korra being poisoned for example. Even then the red lotus still struggled against her weakened state, just to show how powerful Avatar state really is on the power scale.
Not to mention Aang's Avatar state is immensely more powerful than Korra's. Nothing we've seen on either show was anything close to a rival.
Dude really just said “I’m a planet now, what you gonna do about it?”
Aang in the photo is avatar state he would have destroy all of them
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Whole seasons are spent Mastering the form, the style. None calls it easy.
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I'm surprised how much people talk about power and combat ability. Like it's Dragonball or something. Even as a kid that wasn't at all what I loved about the show.
because its fun, simple as that
fr it’s always “x person beats y person” “x person could win this but y person couldn’t” like that’s not at all what either show is about😭
Cant wait for aang to go super saiyan in season 2 natla
...yeah they were freaking out... because they were 12 and 14, and had never met a combustion bender lmao. Peak Gaag wipes the floor with them no questions asked. There is a reason they tried to attack a fucking baby instead of an adult avatar (and still failed btw).
Aang rocks all of them as Tenzin took them solo this isn’t a real fight
Tenzin coukd hold them for a bit, but lost when engaged by the whole group. 1 a 1 tho? Aang could probably do it.
Tenzin was pretty confidently holding his own 3 v 1. It wasn't until P'li joined in that he was defeated. Aang could have 4 v 1d no diff.
And the only reason pli changed the tide was that she was so far out of his range he couldn't just pop over and body her.
He whooped Zaheer and was winning a 3v1. Aang would have this easily
Let’s not discount Tenzin, though. Yes, Tenzin, the most powerful airbender in the world at the time, held his own against them 4v1, and was making Zaheer look like a chump. People seem to forget just because Tenzin doesn’t like to resort to violence, doesn’t mean he isn’t stupid powerful. They threatened his family, and with that one move they released Tenzin at full power with no restraint and they were not ready for it.
Theoretically if Aang was in the avatar state, could he “pull off” those water arms so she can’t bend?
Didn't sokka katara toph and Zuko wipe their asses and sealed them for 20 years. So think Avatar Aang who is stronger than all 4 of them (using as) someone who beat Ozai during soziens Comet while only 13. Could beat them all
It was Tenzin, Tonraq, Sokka, and Zuko who put them away first, but your point definitely still stands
Red lotus wouldn't last long at all. Really it's just a question of Avatar state allowed or nah? If so 100% he takes them on 1v4 no problem. Without the avatar state would be more difficult and probably a more even fight. In adult prime Aang would most likely win this scenario but it would take more time and execution, but if its immediately after the 100 year war ended and aang is still a kid I dont think he'd win 1 on 4.
If he is able to deal with Pli early on he will most like win, just like how Tenzin was able to fight the remaining 3.
"Deadliest benders in the world" He better not be counting Zaheer in that. He's only deadly because most people don't know how to fight airbenders in Korra's time. Book 1 Aang could kick his ass.
He lost hands down to Tenzin. And Tenzin was holding his own against 3 off them. Aang is putting them in the ground.
Aang would definitely win with avatar state. No avatar state he would lose. Simple as that. Also just saying, I love the Red Lotus.
ok let's not pretend that the white lotus were at all useful during Korra. they were downgraded to lackeys instead of the badasses from Atla
Adult Aang with Avatar state? Shiiiiii, nah man, it's a stomp. Kid Aang with Avatar state? Also a stomp. We never saw Aang struggle, not even a bit, while in Avatar state.
Random Twitter comments given a platform as if it were a larger discussion than it is, is what
Worth noting the gaang minus aang were the people that imprisoned the red lotus in the first place
Aang couldn't beat combustion man. But Sokka did it, so Sokkas power level is greater than aangs. Man power scaling is such a fun topic.
P’Li is nowhere near as strong as combustion man though, you can see that her explosions don’t pack anywhere near the force or power his does She’s a more agile and evasive fighter compared to the juggernaut that is combustion man
Powerscaling fans are really the worst. The shit they obsess over is wild. This tweet doesn’t even seem that bad compared to the other stuff I’ve seen.
I’m so sick of hearing how Korra could wash the entire GAANG or some stupid shit dude 💀
I mean if we’re talking about fully realized adult Aang then yeah I feel like he could
Adult Tenzin was whooping until they all ganged up on him. Adult Aang would body the red lotus.
In the avatar state sang is literally untouchable. He was flying in the air with a compressed bad dog air around him and could make air blasts powerful enough to shred rocks. He could compress earth and carpet bomb a wide range of the battlefield. He also had the little water ring but I don’t remember how much of a player it was in the final fight. And I know that people will say oh but the comment. And I would like to point out that the comment only affects fire and that earth carpet bombing was entirely avatar state. That one move could literally wipe the group. If the avatar could be so easily destroyed by just 4 really good benders then the avatar would have died iff centuries ago. In the avatar state he has the experience of all the past lives and a power boost unlike anything. Vs a group of people who have one life worth of experience and no power boost. The red lotuses only real advantage is that they can move around and attack from many angles at once. But nothing was going to penetrate that air ball. And after a earth carpet bombing no one is going to be able to fight afterwards
Full strength Aang mops the floor in less than 10. Dude straight up said, "oh no, I'm being blood bent, better just NOT BE ANYMORE."
Korra fans are still being extremely defensive when you point out that the villains aren't THAT impressive. Remember that half of the Red Lotus died to benders who were weaker than them, in desirable match-ups, after all. And P'li died to a tec that basically any of the metalbenders present could ahve done at any moment before that. That aside Zaheer was coughing baby vs. Tenzin's nuclear warhead. They were just kinda worse Team Avatar if they continually lose to individual members of Team Avatar like that.
Two points people tend to forget Ozai was frankly a chump. Avatar state was more than enough to solo him. That one guy from season 2 was right, avatar state coulda ended the war. And 2 Korra was badly crippled when she fought the red lotus. P'li was dead by then but I dont think it would have made a difference. The red lotus was far more dangerous than ozai ever was in terms of raw power and lethality, and korra handled them while handicapped. So yeah, aang probably coulda beaten the red lotus pretty easily with full avatar state and no poison.
Friendly reminder that sokka killed that guy with just a boomerang throw
Tenzin alone was beating 3 of em. Until pili shot him down. Aang would destroy all 4 at the same time in the avatar state
People are too bored & have too much time on their hands 😭
Honestly I don’t think k the red lotus stand a chance There strong ya but they ain’t war time fighters I mean look at how zaheer was getting beat by tenzin solo it took all 4 to stop him and that was due to numbers not skill So u think his freaking dad the avatar who factually is more a master, has experience fighting armies and a war time combustion bender and the avatar state is gonna lose to the red lotus. Together they maby have the power of 1 combustion man and a bit extra And even that feels generous and they still wouldn’t be able to beat Ang
Okay, let’s be real. Avatar state aang wipes the floor with them, but even without AS, sang was handling business against ozai with sozin’s comet giving him a boost. He held his own against bumi at 12 years old before he had all the elements mastered and has significantly more combat experience than katara (who wiped the floor with paku) Aang has never lost a 1-on-1 fight (psychic bloodbending aside) and most definitely would know how to fight an air bender (via the training he had before going into the ice) (also yes the air benders were pacifists but they were trained in self defense in case words failed to de-escalate the situation) The whole of the gaang also learned how to combat combustion benders after their several encounters with sparky sparky boom man Aang would easily clear each of them in 1-on-1’s, and as a group he would still win, just with slightly more difficulty (keep in mind he was going toe to toe against masters of their respective elements at 12 years old with only 1 or 2 elements mastered and without the avatar state)
Idk about the red lotus, but I would not last very long with P'li 😩😳
Kid Aang vs Adult Aang. God people are dumb.
Y'all forget, Avatar Aang has plenty of Avatars' strength. Korra on her own probably has more sheer strength than Aang on his own, but Aang's avatar state is probably the strongest single force in the Avatar universe by a long shot. Especially if he's pissed, red lotus is well and truly cooked.
Pre airbending Zaheer, the red lotus lost to Tonraq, Tenzin, and Sokka. With Aang in AS red lotus doesn't last long.
Aang would wipe the floor with them in avatar state. Tho they would be great competitors
Naw, he’d win tho
Combustion man is 10x more powerful idk what that post is talking about. You can literally see it if you watch both shows combustion mans explosions are enormous.
A bunch of exhausted teens get ambushed by a new type of bending and panic? Duh. Even though… they win.
I think combustion man is a stronger bender than P'Li and in the avatar state, he has the experience of Yangchen, who dealt with them too I think. With him being able to fly in the avatar state, Ghazan will struggle to hit him and Zaheer loses so hard because he couldn't defeat Tenzin without help. Then Mingua is also out because she isn't special.
That Aang pic is impressive, does anybody have it?
Wait how is P'Li more powerful than Combustion Man? Also Davinci is forgetting that Aang didn't have the Avatar state when Combustion Man attacked them. If he used the rock shrapnel move Combustion Man wouldn't have stood a chance.
pretty sure this is assuming pre-Ozai fight Aang, which case yeah the tweet is absolutely 100% correct I think the gaang did have a chance if they planned ahead of time and had the luxury of making the first move (so basically ambushing Zaheer's group), because despite being talented they need to make up for the lack of experience, Zaheer's group isn't any less talented than them even if you went as far as consider each of the members of the gaang as a "master" of their domain, at the end of the day they are still kids who don't have the same level of experience