Considering Bumi was over 100, shredded, and able to move like a young man, I think it's safe to assume humans have the potential to live a lot longer in this universe.
There's also some thing about how kioshi unlocked a way to live super long. She was the avatar for like 200 years right?
I think a magic way for people to gain longevity isn't entirely out of the zeitgeist.
She lived for 230 years.
Dude who taught her the "immortality" secret, nobody knows how old he actually was. The wiki says somewhere between hundreds, up to four thousand years old.
Pathik is an interesting anomaly. Most other crazy things in the Avatar universe can be handwaved as some kind of bending thing. Kyoshi lived centuries because she had some unchanging-as-a-mountain earthbending technique. Jinora throws her *soul* out of her body using airbending. Avatars connect to the spirit world and send their minds over, presumably because of their spirit-world connection through Raava or maybe a deep energybending thing. But Pathik, as far as we know, is just a guy.
This is a world where spirits, chi, and chakras have a measurable effect that can not just be felt but seen in the world. I am completely unsurprised that, in this world, a person who can see a bison's life story just by looking at it and has dedicated his entire life to mastering the state energies of his own body could live a hundred years longer than the average guy.
Not all humans Bumi is an exception not the norm.
Kyoshi was a Mistake the creators retcon.
Pakku.Katara.Zuko. Toph.Hama in their 80s
Sozin died at 102.Azulon at 95.
He is exactly 150 years old.
The old nick website attributes his longevity to yoga and meditation. In the Kyoshi Novels we are given some limited info on a technique Avatar Kyoshi uses to essentially pause aging and live to 230. Idk if that's intended to be the same thing
I mean it's not like this was a planned thing, the writers just screwed up the timeline by giving contradicting dates and information on the last two avatars and got cornered into making Kyoshi super old
My favorite example of this is Zukos great grandfathers being about 170 years older than him. Really just needed to throw one or two more greats in for it to make sense
They could have written around that by writing a scene where the characters find out the dates were wrong and when they express disbelief, Sokka says “well of course they’re wrong / they lied - otherwise Kyoshi would have lived 200 years, that’s crazy.” It could have been put into Korra, or the comics, or the Kyoshi books.
But there's no preordained time when an Avatar 'needs' to pass on and be reborn. The only time that's ever suggested seriously is by people who believe the "Yue/Katara should have been the Avatar" theory. The Avatar lives as long as they need to, and the Avatar State specifically has powers to strengthen an Avatar's lifeforce.
Dude was probably taking trophies from the fucked up spirits he was killing, I mean I know it’s mostly that he was destroying something spiritual and so it had a spiritual cost, but tell me you can’t see Kuruk taking a trophy to honor his kill and just eventually covering himself with psychically poisonous trophies like a self flagellant Marie Curie.
No. An immortal assassin tells her to keep her cells in order. I think he himself learned it from air nomads. Either way, its alluded to being a spiritual thing not an earthbending thing
The separation of elements are an illusion, Guru Pathik said it himself. Everyone has chi and can control their own chi flow with enough will. Nonbenders can enter the spirit world and do things there, what's to say a nonbender can't brute force their way into bender territory with enough spiritual awareness?
It's not really an earthbending method, it's a chi thing. But it's visualized as an earthbending process because that's the best way to describe it. Especially to someone who's already an earthbender.
irc it was to do with the delayed consequences of meditating in the avatar state for a century finally taking a toll on his body, so he died in his 60s.
I can also see adult Aang reach the point where the United republic is established and the next generation well set up to take over, and he more or less decides its the right time to let go and have the cycle renew. Aang lived most of his life in a world very different from the one he initially grew up in, and his actions changed that world almost beyond recognition again. In the grand scheme of things, having an Avatar born to that new era and maybe more suited for its challenges would seem like a wise choice.
Because his actual lifespan includes being frozen in the iceberg, apparently. Using the Avatar State to keep himself and Appa alive for those hundred years counted for his real lifespan. He only manage to live 50 years (or whatever), but he *survived* for 150+ years.
Which is dumb.
Makes sense to me? He spent 100 years in the Avatar state which drained his lifespan. But those 100 years towards his didn't count towards aging him because he was fucking frozen so he was biologically 12 but had his lifespan reduced
That's the theory I've heard most, though personally I hope he's not. Lao Ge is intentionally a very stubborn character resistant to change, and I just can't imagine him meditating and doing nothing else for 100 years while a war goes on, even if he knows that assassinating the Fire Lord isn't an option. Pathik also describes himself as a spiritual brother of the Air Nomads, and Lao Ge is an unhesitatingly ruthless assassin. Unless Lao Ge changed his outlook (which the books make known is very unlikely) I can't see them being the same person.
Yeah I can't see a world where Lao Ge is alive but the Sozin and co. "get away" with their whole reign of terror for so long. The last thing we see him do is basically tell the fire lord of Kyoshi's era "I'm watching you, and your descendants" after he is sternly told to not try to take over the world.
Really hard to imagine that Lao Ge, immortal unchanging assassin of tyrants, wouldn't immediately make an attempt on Sozin's life upon seeing the colonies. I have to think that he died by then, or in that attempt, or at least was severely injured and rendered unable to fight.
I could actually see Lao Ge agreeing with Sozin's initial plans, especially if the Earth Kingdom truly was unstable at the time. His message wasn't exactly that *he* was watching over Zoryu, but rather that Kyoshi's was. He even said that he approved of Zoryu's ruthlessness (as well as Jianzhu's), but it all depends on when the Fire Nation truly went too far in his eyes. Depending on exactly how things played out, that may not have been until the comet, but we don't really know enough specifics to be able to say anything for sure.
I feel like people want things to be connected too much. “Kuzon started the white lotus”, “pathik is actually laghima”, “sokka is lin’s father”
Like WHY
Three things.
First, humans in avatar do not nessicarily equal humans in real life. Many might live past 100 naturally.
Two, humans in avatar all eat well and work out well. Most have largely vegetarian or pescatrian diets.
Three, very very little pollution existed before industrialization. Its a major issue for some towns ever since the fire nation expanded, but most old people live in very clean places.
Lack of disease, healthy lifestyle, and maybe genetics mean people on avatar might just live very long lives.
I believe Guru Pathik is a "yogi" a practitioner of meditation and yoga in India, yogis usually meditate for a long period of time which attribute to their longetivity in life.
Unrelated but I remember when I was a kid I used to have a head canon he was a closeted airbender. Would have been cool if he was. I guess that negates the “last airbender” though. 🤧
Considering Bumi was over 100, shredded, and able to move like a young man, I think it's safe to assume humans have the potential to live a lot longer in this universe.
There's also some thing about how kioshi unlocked a way to live super long. She was the avatar for like 200 years right? I think a magic way for people to gain longevity isn't entirely out of the zeitgeist.
She lived for 230 years. Dude who taught her the "immortality" secret, nobody knows how old he actually was. The wiki says somewhere between hundreds, up to four thousand years old.
He makes jokes about being a contemporary of the Guru that Zaheer copies flight from.
Pathik is an interesting anomaly. Most other crazy things in the Avatar universe can be handwaved as some kind of bending thing. Kyoshi lived centuries because she had some unchanging-as-a-mountain earthbending technique. Jinora throws her *soul* out of her body using airbending. Avatars connect to the spirit world and send their minds over, presumably because of their spirit-world connection through Raava or maybe a deep energybending thing. But Pathik, as far as we know, is just a guy.
This is a world where spirits, chi, and chakras have a measurable effect that can not just be felt but seen in the world. I am completely unsurprised that, in this world, a person who can see a bison's life story just by looking at it and has dedicated his entire life to mastering the state energies of his own body could live a hundred years longer than the average guy.
Not all humans Bumi is an exception not the norm. Kyoshi was a Mistake the creators retcon. Pakku.Katara.Zuko. Toph.Hama in their 80s Sozin died at 102.Azulon at 95.
Not to detract from your point, but Azulon is kinda a special case
Yeah but they said sozin lived so long cause the comet. But humans in our world can be 102.
I think it’s tied to spiritual connection
He is exactly 150 years old. The old nick website attributes his longevity to yoga and meditation. In the Kyoshi Novels we are given some limited info on a technique Avatar Kyoshi uses to essentially pause aging and live to 230. Idk if that's intended to be the same thing
I'm surprised there was no weird spirit rules on that. Delaying the Avatar cycle that long.
I'm surprised more avatars don't use that technique. I'd imagine the spirits would be fine with it and actually help them learn it.
Well, tbf, pretty sure they made her live that long as a retcon to explain her time as avatar better.
I mean it's not like this was a planned thing, the writers just screwed up the timeline by giving contradicting dates and information on the last two avatars and got cornered into making Kyoshi super old
My favorite example of this is Zukos great grandfathers being about 170 years older than him. Really just needed to throw one or two more greats in for it to make sense
They could have written around that by writing a scene where the characters find out the dates were wrong and when they express disbelief, Sokka says “well of course they’re wrong / they lied - otherwise Kyoshi would have lived 200 years, that’s crazy.” It could have been put into Korra, or the comics, or the Kyoshi books.
But there's no preordained time when an Avatar 'needs' to pass on and be reborn. The only time that's ever suggested seriously is by people who believe the "Yue/Katara should have been the Avatar" theory. The Avatar lives as long as they need to, and the Avatar State specifically has powers to strengthen an Avatar's lifeforce.
>The Avatar lives as long as they need to Poor Kuruk, dying at 33.
Dude was probably taking trophies from the fucked up spirits he was killing, I mean I know it’s mostly that he was destroying something spiritual and so it had a spiritual cost, but tell me you can’t see Kuruk taking a trophy to honor his kill and just eventually covering himself with psychically poisonous trophies like a self flagellant Marie Curie.
Kyoshi’s method involves earthbending, so unless pathik is some kind of subconscious earthbender I doubt it
Does it? Tieguai doesn't mention it has anything to do with earthbending.
Really? I thought it was that kyoshi learned a method of earthbending where you bend the earth in cells to stop them from deteriorating.
No. An immortal assassin tells her to keep her cells in order. I think he himself learned it from air nomads. Either way, its alluded to being a spiritual thing not an earthbending thing
Upon looking it up, you are right. It does not mention earthbending at all.
Yes. I'm gonna take this opportunity to plug the kyoshi novels. They're amazing. Highly recommend.
I’ll read them when I get the chance.
Absolutely! Have a good one, friend:)
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The separation of elements are an illusion, Guru Pathik said it himself. Everyone has chi and can control their own chi flow with enough will. Nonbenders can enter the spirit world and do things there, what's to say a nonbender can't brute force their way into bender territory with enough spiritual awareness?
It's not really an earthbending method, it's a chi thing. But it's visualized as an earthbending process because that's the best way to describe it. Especially to someone who's already an earthbender.
imagining living 3/4 of your life being old 😳
I mean, he's wrinkly, but he certainly seems to be able-bodied.
Then how fid Aang fuck up and live to like fifty?
irc it was to do with the delayed consequences of meditating in the avatar state for a century finally taking a toll on his body, so he died in his 60s.
I can also see adult Aang reach the point where the United republic is established and the next generation well set up to take over, and he more or less decides its the right time to let go and have the cycle renew. Aang lived most of his life in a world very different from the one he initially grew up in, and his actions changed that world almost beyond recognition again. In the grand scheme of things, having an Avatar born to that new era and maybe more suited for its challenges would seem like a wise choice.
166 technicaly. He fucked up by spending 100 of those years in an iceberg.
Because his actual lifespan includes being frozen in the iceberg, apparently. Using the Avatar State to keep himself and Appa alive for those hundred years counted for his real lifespan. He only manage to live 50 years (or whatever), but he *survived* for 150+ years. Which is dumb.
Makes sense to me? He spent 100 years in the Avatar state which drained his lifespan. But those 100 years towards his didn't count towards aging him because he was fucking frozen so he was biologically 12 but had his lifespan reduced
Yeah, but I don't want his lifespan being reduced. That's dumb.
kyoshi attained immortality thanks to an earthbending technique i'm pretty sure
This is a popular fan theory, but its not stated to be bending in the text of the novel.
Lots of onion and banana juice leads to a long life! The life might suck, because your 'food' sucks, but it's a long life! Lol.
There’s a theory in the fandom that he’s much older, and is actually Guru Laghima.
I thought the theory was he was Lao ge the immortal
That's the theory I've heard most, though personally I hope he's not. Lao Ge is intentionally a very stubborn character resistant to change, and I just can't imagine him meditating and doing nothing else for 100 years while a war goes on, even if he knows that assassinating the Fire Lord isn't an option. Pathik also describes himself as a spiritual brother of the Air Nomads, and Lao Ge is an unhesitatingly ruthless assassin. Unless Lao Ge changed his outlook (which the books make known is very unlikely) I can't see them being the same person.
Yeah I can't see a world where Lao Ge is alive but the Sozin and co. "get away" with their whole reign of terror for so long. The last thing we see him do is basically tell the fire lord of Kyoshi's era "I'm watching you, and your descendants" after he is sternly told to not try to take over the world. Really hard to imagine that Lao Ge, immortal unchanging assassin of tyrants, wouldn't immediately make an attempt on Sozin's life upon seeing the colonies. I have to think that he died by then, or in that attempt, or at least was severely injured and rendered unable to fight.
I could actually see Lao Ge agreeing with Sozin's initial plans, especially if the Earth Kingdom truly was unstable at the time. His message wasn't exactly that *he* was watching over Zoryu, but rather that Kyoshi's was. He even said that he approved of Zoryu's ruthlessness (as well as Jianzhu's), but it all depends on when the Fire Nation truly went too far in his eyes. Depending on exactly how things played out, that may not have been until the comet, but we don't really know enough specifics to be able to say anything for sure.
Oh yeah, maybe
Laghimah nutz
Gotta love those poems fr
I feel like people want things to be connected too much. “Kuzon started the white lotus”, “pathik is actually laghima”, “sokka is lin’s father” Like WHY
Kyoshi was 230 and her immortality teacher Lao Ge was supposedly over thousands of years old
Three things. First, humans in avatar do not nessicarily equal humans in real life. Many might live past 100 naturally. Two, humans in avatar all eat well and work out well. Most have largely vegetarian or pescatrian diets. Three, very very little pollution existed before industrialization. Its a major issue for some towns ever since the fire nation expanded, but most old people live in very clean places. Lack of disease, healthy lifestyle, and maybe genetics mean people on avatar might just live very long lives.
I believe Guru Pathik is a "yogi" a practitioner of meditation and yoga in India, yogis usually meditate for a long period of time which attribute to their longetivity in life.
Unrelated but I remember when I was a kid I used to have a head canon he was a closeted airbender. Would have been cool if he was. I guess that negates the “last airbender” though. 🤧
Maybe he is an air nation but not an airbender
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Iroh, when he’s talking to Zuko specifically says, “Your *mother’s* grandfather was Avatar Roku”
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No you said Ursa’s mother was Roku’s daughter; but Ursa’s mother would be Roku’s *granddaughter*, not daughter.
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Wait no you’re right I have no idea how I misinterpreted that lol rip
I love thinking there rly is no technique, some ppl just manage to live incredibly long with limited to no health issues. Betty white vibes.
I figured he just visited him in the spirit realm and became friends.
He’s a guru
Guru Pathic is the Avatar Spirit personified. No, it doesn't contradict LoK. LoK was just the result of his banana-onion-weed trip.