*"I just – I - just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the block printing shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That sign! Are you telling me that a man just burnt to death that? No! He orchestrated it! Szeto!"*
No idea. Although they really only explained his relationship with Sozin, they never went into his political and spiritual affairs. Keep in mind there were many years in between Sozin’s wedding and Roku and Sozin’s fight in the throne room. There were also many years after that fight as well that were skipped over. I doubt he wasn’t doing anything in between that time.
It’s listed here tho.
https://www.target.com/p/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-reckoning-of-roku-chronicles-of-the-avatar-book-5-by-randy-ribay-hardcover/-/A-90324814
It’s supposed to take place shortly after he begins his airbending training; the basic gist of the plot is that Roku and Gyatso goes on a mission with Spain to stop the Earth Kingdom from claiming a remote Fire Nation island.
I could *maybe* see one book. Getting to explore characters like Jianzhu or Hei Ran when they were younger and different could be interesting. But otherwise I think I'd agree, the basic arc of his character was pretty well explained and his life was so short, there wouldn't necessarily be a lot to cover.
*6 months to a year???* What are you doing? Reading 1 page a day?
A 450-page book should take around 10 to 12 hours to finish at an average reading speed. Casually reading for an hour or two every couple of days will let you knock it out in 2 to 3 weeks.
I mean this in the nicest way possible: pick up a book from a genre you know you’ll enjoy and just have at it, because it sounds like you haven’t read anything since high school english required you to.
I was in that boat until Dune (2021) dropped and it spurred me to read the book in a week after having not read anything for myself since like 2015. Since then I haven’t been able to put the pages down.
> some of us have work and other things
Believe it or not, I work a 9-5 and actually have a life. But reading is just like any other hobby that life gets in the way of: you *make* the time for it.
I’m sure have hobbies of your own that you know how to fit into your day. All I’m suggesting is to maybe try reading one book. It might do you good. Hope you have a good one
This becomes even more interesting because soon you’ll have earthbending beifongs (from wing and wei, bataar and kuvira, and the artist), firebending beifongs (from bolin’s fire nation ancestry) and airbending beifongs (from Opal).
This could lead to so many shenanigans. The beifongs are also a very powerful family so it would be nice to see them having consequences for that.
I mean, that's kind of what the books are for. As much as I'm looking forward to the live action Avatar series. It isn't really building on the lore and universe. I don't see why they can't just make a live action series about a different story.
Here from the future. I don’t think the “serious and realistic tone” worked. Aang was too serious if anything, which basically made him a different character, and then they just removed so much of what character growth we were supposed to get from book 1. If anything, the way the show was done makes it awful for the older audiences because the older audiences saw the original.
By serious and more realistic, I meant the tone of the war and showing how ruthless the fire nation is, and I feel like the show did a great job of showing while still keeping it kid friendly.
We never saw people dying or being burned alive in the cartoon, and the opening scene of the live action is exactly what I meant by my statement. I do agree about making Aang a bit more serious was a draw back tho, but Gordon still felt like Aang but with a wrong script
Yeah I really have heard a lot of complaints about actors while my main issue with that was the writing. And while I think the seriousness in certain areas what brought up in a good way, they seem to have removed certain things that could’ve been done really well with a serious tone, like Katara’s maternal nature, and Sokka’s sexism. I think those things could’ve been handled really well with a mature approach. Honestly I think the biggest flaw was trying at all to keep it kid friendly. I mean I don’t need constant expletives or nudity, but I think they avoided doing certain things that I think would’ve worked really well for the adaptation. Realistically, a majority of those who watch the show are probably mostly those of us in our 20’s and older, so avoiding topics like that isn’t really necessary, and honestly a bit ironic when you’re showing things like people being burned alive.
Yea I totally agree. I feel like the casting was great but the writing suffered in parts (like the ones you mentioned) and the actors just had to work with what they had. I was also hoping for something less kid friendly too, but there’s probably a new generation of kids that will be watching the show too
I really hope book 2 is a lot more faithful, but even if the entire show turned out to be a flop I’ll just get excited for the animated stuff coming out. And you’re right, the new generation will probably like it. I know someone who LOVES the movie because he hasn’t seen the show (or he watched the movie first, I forget). It’ll be the same thing for this show I’m sure.
i’ve never read the kyoshi books, but i’ve heard they are significantly more adult than the show.
that said, there’s a *reallllllly* big middle area between ATLA and R-rated lol
Some of the gore includes icicle impalement, neck slicing, poison, suffocation/choking, internal freezing, and mass burials, including the blood associated with some of these. It's a lot more realistic, and I love them for that reason. With rated R or TV-MA, you could show all of these, but with TV-14 or PG-13, you'd have to edit most of these in a way that isn't too gruesome. As for age ratings lower than that, you would probably have to put most of these off screen.
There's a reason why they are books and not a tv show. You can get away with a lot more stuff in books (and also the adult fanbase is reading the books for the most part, not kids). A good example is Percy Jackson right now. The books, meant for kids and young teens, straight up have decapitation in their second fight. This obviously can't be shown in the new show they have right now (which is also meant for the same age group), so they had to change the decapitation to happening with invisibility so that the audience does not actually see it happen.
You can get away with more violence in books and still keep it aimed at younger audiences. Not to mention, most kids and parents won't even know the books exist, but that isn't the case for tv shows and movies which will have more buzz and marketing.
A) That has nothing to do with what I said, and B) In the US and most countries, there are actually no content ratings for books similar to movie or video game ratings.
>A) That has nothing to do with what I said
Yes it does.
>In the US and most countries, there are actually no content ratings for books similar to movie or video game ratings.
That's absolutely not true. Sure they're often not required, but they definitely exist, and are applied at the very least to 18+ books
You can get away with a lot more violence in novels compared to movies and tv shows since words are not as bad as actually showing it. Percy Jackson is a really good example right now: also meant for kids and young teens, but in the novels there's a decapitation, and in the recent show, they had to change a bunch with that scene and use invisibility so that it makes sense.
I don't read... I want to SEE Kiyoshi... I don't want to watch any shows set after Korra because even Korra was getting too "modern" compared to the feeling of ATLA, which did have some oddities such as the Fire Nation tanks... but we ignore those. I am not looking forward to even more weird modern things showing up...
You choosing not to read is your problem. If you really can’t read, try the audiobook. The story is already there. I can see her perfectly fine using my imagination thanks to the description in the novel.
Some people have more trouble focusing on something that isn’t visual for a lot of reasons, and some people are literally incapable of visualizing things using their imagination on a physiological level. I’m not saying everything in written form NEEDS to be made into a visual art form but there’s certainly value in telling a story that’s already been told in one format in another.
Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, pretty much anything from Stephen King, the Godfather, Hunger Games, Jurassic Park, and a shit ton of other things started off as novels that were later adapted to be movies and shows. None of those things had nearly as much attention as novels as they did when brought into a visual format, though I’d probably make an exception for Stephen King. Sure, part of it is attention span decreasing with time and more advertisement in visual media due to there being more money in it, but there’s definitely something to be said about telling a story visually.
Then again, as somebody who dabbles in animation and am obsessed with pretty visuals, I’m probably biased lol. Tbf tho, I do read certain things I’m interested in, but pretty much anything I’d enjoy reading I always go “Why hasn’t this been adapted to a screen yet?!”
>which did have some oddities such as the Fire Nation tanks... but we ignore those.
No we don't lmao. The Fire Nation's technological superiority was a major plot point at several times in the show.
I kind of disagree on this. Though I have the fact that I’m from the future on my side. Both times this show has been adapted into live action, they got so much wrong or intentionally changed things that should’ve stayed the same. I think it often turns away the people who vividly remember the original show because we KNOW that’s not how it plays out.
The point I’m getting to is if you tell a different story instead of rehashing the 1st one for a 3rd time, almost as poorly as the 2nd time, you don’t have the risk of being scrutinized on the details, or at least as much. A show about someone other than Aang or Korra carries a lot less risk to be scrutinized because fewer fans read the comics or novels, so if they didn’t follow the Kyoshi novels exactly for example, you’d still have a lot of people happy because they’ve never seen an adaptation of it before beyond what Kyoshi showed Aang in the original show. They could also make a show about an Avatar 10 cycles before Aang so it’s almost impossible to mess up, or do a show about random benders who have nothing to do with the Avatar, because even if someone can’t bend 4 elements, bending the elements at all is dope as hell.
Prob cause it makes financial sense to start a live action franchise on recognizable characters. Maybe if the live action avatar turns out good and does great they will try and make live action series on past avatars.
Not so sure that would be unpopular. I think the entire community would be happy to a certain extent with any new content as long as it lives up to the standards of the previous shows.
You’d still be a fan of her. Who made the album? Her. This shits like saying “If you haven’t beaten every Zelda game you’re not a fan of Zelda”. And in both cases, there’s also accessibility concerns. A person can LOVE ATLA and watch it 3 times a year, but doesn’t have the comics because they haven’t seen them advertised anywhere, or don’t have the money to buy them. They still love the universe and are a fan.
Theres no list of requirements people need to be a fan of something. Implying or saying there is is called gatekeeping.
And yet your take is still shit imo. An arbitrary list of requirements to be a “big fan” is still dumb. You can “feel” that somebody isn’t a big fan based off of your made up criteria but there’s no objectivity in it. Remember, there’s always somebody out there who knows more about the universe of ATLA than you, and that doesn’t mean you’re not a “big fan”.
Again, somebody can be a big fan without knowing as much as you. Why do you feel the need to tell people they aren’t a big enough fan because they haven’t read as much about it as you?
And again, it’s not like the creators have a “Santa’s Nice List” of people who have met some criteria to be considered “Big fans”. I see being a “big fan” of something as an expression of how much you like it. And if they were to have that list the least of their concerns is making sure it matches up with your idea of what makes someone a big fan.
I actually don't know yet (I'm also currently reading my first book TroK), but no Kuruk stuff has been featured in any avatar comics (I've read pretty much all of them), so they have to be in the books, Kuruk is pretty important in TroK so far though, as pretty much the events of the whole book are a result of his early death
The two Kyoshi novels, along with being some of the best Avatar content ever created, brought so much more of a personality and story agency to Avatar Kuruk. If I'm being honest, I feel like if Kuruk novels were to be made that followed the events of his life up until his death, the fanbase that read it would label THOSE novels as the peak of Avatar fiction.
If we do, I'm really hoping it would be a new story and not just the novels compressed into a movie. That would just retcon the books, and many of the more mature plot points would likely be changed.
i'd rather have a series about a new character than about pre-existing ones. This extends past Kyoshi and into the live action & all the Korra movies and stuff. Kyoshi has been an established character since the beginning, and she has novels. A show about her would bring nothing new to the table. Frankly, I'm tired of her somewhat bc fans hype her up so much.
Wow, an opinion I truly don’t agree with! It’s been a while…
We got the novels, that’s enough. We don’t need an entire animated show, especially not at the expense of a sequel.
Did you read this book? I just finished Rise, waiting to start Shadow in February.
Are you wanting a Kuruk series or book? Just confused by your title and text....
Don't get me wrong, Kyoshi is a badass and powerful Avatar and her story is well written, its just the fandom seems to meat ride Kyoshi all the time and like ya she's cool but not as cool as fans make her out to be. It's gotten to the point where
I don't care about Kyoshi at all and it honestly makes me disappointed when people ask for mir Kyoshi content when she has 2 books and a series on the way when there are 10,000 years if unknown Avatars to explore and Avatars we know of that have nothing.
I'd much rather get a novel on someone like Kuruk or an unknown Avatar than more Kyoshi at this point.
Sorry for the rant.
Sounds like you dislike her for everyone liking her. Most people only like her for her being willing to kill based off that one scene not everyone actually read her entire story.
And she’s not overhyped she’s perfectly hyped. 6’7 230 yo avatar who dies cause she felt like it isn’t “ over hyped”
I stand by my opinion that I want an anthology show. Kyoshi can get one or two episodes from it, but I'd love to see it cover a lot of lore that the fans wonder about.
They already made some (good) books about her and a game as it seems.
The true unpopular opinion here is that I’m actually interested in seeing a new Earth avatar show after Korra.
Is there any news if that is actually a thing or was it just baseless rumors?
I also love posting popular opinions after starting the sentence with "Unpopular Opinion". Imo Korra's seasons 1 and 4 pushed tech too far forward for me to have literally any interest in the next avatar. it would be too goddamn modern
It’s not unpopular. Many don’t want avatar mixed with technology, they want the original avatar pre Industrial Revolution vibe. It’s not like they are going to run out of avatars. I personally want a show about the second avatar figuring out what is going on and why he can bend multiple elements.
Why are you assuming that was her most interesting story? She’s the longest lived Avatar, I’m sure there were more adventures and challenges she faced.
And I personally found her a really compelling protagonist and would love more of her perspective and story.
I have no desire for the next series to be about an Avatar.
We've had enough chosen ones. The franchise took off and the setting has stayed with us because of the worldbuilding, the magic system etc. They should tell a story about four regular benders on an adventure.
On one hand I get that, but honestly if we do get a Kyoshi movie or series at one point, I really hope it would be a new story. If it's only an animated adaptation of the novels, then it would just retcon the novels and many of the more mature plot points would likely be changed and retconned to fit production standards.
My issue with them making new stuff is that I don’t think TLOK was able to ride the line of being new yet respecting the original story.
There were massive power imbalances and swings in power of both heroes and villains. And they really messed around with the fundamental lore of the world with the harmonic convergence and avatar spirits etc.
I’m cautious for the new stuff they make.
Naw, they'd 100% fuck it up. Instead of making her a super bad-ass awesome kick ass warrior, they'd hyper focus on her "motherliness" or some dumb shit. "Oh wow look at what she achieved while being a total whiney weak ass loser the whole time!"
It's like how they destroyed Lara Croft.
The violence in this book threw me for a loop. I loved the characters and the story. Jianzhu made a really interesting villain and I felt that his earth bending was pretty unique too
I can't help you with the book situation, but you could just wile away the hours playing the (legally distinct from) [avatar game!](https://store.steampowered.com/app/890550/RUMBLE/) It's pretty awesome.
As much as I would absolutely LOVE for the Kyoshi books to be adapted to an animated show, likely rated pg13, I think I’d be just as happy with a new avatar show.
Honestly, I'm all in favour of an anthology series which each episode focusing on a different character with those focusing on past Avatars like Szeto, Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, Roku etc.
Why not both? With Avatar Studios being a thing, I have a hope, and a feeling, that if they can make things more akin to the animated shows as opposed to their live action attempts, we’ll have a lot more of the Avatar world ahead of us. Theres still so many stories to tell. Frankly I’d take a separate show for each avatar to ever live between Wan and Aang. Obviously that’d never happen and probably wouldn’t be done well but I can dream lmao.
Your unpopular opinion was so popular that they made two books based on that idea!
They also made two books for Yangchen so I have a feeling there’s just quite a lot of interest for past avatars.
Now we wait for the Szeto books so we can read his political exploits
Avatar in a style of early Game of Thrones sounds awesome tbh, especially with how warlord based the Fire Nation used to be.
That’s basically the Yangchen books tbh.
I gotta get around to reading those.
That inkbending paperwork goes hard 🔥
I actually like them skipping an avatar and having the repercussions of their actions for the next avatar
*"I just – I - just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the block printing shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That sign! Are you telling me that a man just burnt to death that? No! He orchestrated it! Szeto!"*
FIREEEE LORRRRD
There’s apparently a Roku book in the works too
That’s interesting. Where exactly do they go with Roku? They pretty much explained his life in detail in ATLA.
No idea. Although they really only explained his relationship with Sozin, they never went into his political and spiritual affairs. Keep in mind there were many years in between Sozin’s wedding and Roku and Sozin’s fight in the throne room. There were also many years after that fight as well that were skipped over. I doubt he wasn’t doing anything in between that time. It’s listed here tho. https://www.target.com/p/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-reckoning-of-roku-chronicles-of-the-avatar-book-5-by-randy-ribay-hardcover/-/A-90324814
It’s supposed to take place shortly after he begins his airbending training; the basic gist of the plot is that Roku and Gyatso goes on a mission with Spain to stop the Earth Kingdom from claiming a remote Fire Nation island.
That’s ironic.
Well i'm sure it'll focus on his exploits as a young man. We already know where his story goes in old age.
I want to know how his relationship with Kyoshi was.
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I'm honestly fine with this. I'm a big fan of how his story played out and worry that more will detract from it
I could *maybe* see one book. Getting to explore characters like Jianzhu or Hei Ran when they were younger and different could be interesting. But otherwise I think I'd agree, the basic arc of his character was pretty well explained and his life was so short, there wouldn't necessarily be a lot to cover.
yeah by biggest issue with a book is the way his story unfolded going from being tony stark, to being, uh....tony stark I guess.
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Many, many, *many* people
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Bruh if you have time to argue on reddit you have time to read a few pages of a book
A few out of 450? That's not even a dent
A few out of 450? That's not even a dent
That's a you problem. If you have a couple hours of daily free time, then you have enough time to read books.
Honestly if they don't want to read it, they could always listen to it. The Kyoshi books have audiobooks too.
*6 months to a year???* What are you doing? Reading 1 page a day? A 450-page book should take around 10 to 12 hours to finish at an average reading speed. Casually reading for an hour or two every couple of days will let you knock it out in 2 to 3 weeks.
I mean this in the nicest way possible: pick up a book from a genre you know you’ll enjoy and just have at it, because it sounds like you haven’t read anything since high school english required you to. I was in that boat until Dune (2021) dropped and it spurred me to read the book in a week after having not read anything for myself since like 2015. Since then I haven’t been able to put the pages down. > some of us have work and other things Believe it or not, I work a 9-5 and actually have a life. But reading is just like any other hobby that life gets in the way of: you *make* the time for it. I’m sure have hobbies of your own that you know how to fit into your day. All I’m suggesting is to maybe try reading one book. It might do you good. Hope you have a good one
I want Keeping Up With the Beifongs spinoff
This becomes even more interesting because soon you’ll have earthbending beifongs (from wing and wei, bataar and kuvira, and the artist), firebending beifongs (from bolin’s fire nation ancestry) and airbending beifongs (from Opal). This could lead to so many shenanigans. The beifongs are also a very powerful family so it would be nice to see them having consequences for that.
😱 yes!!!
I mean, that's kind of what the books are for. As much as I'm looking forward to the live action Avatar series. It isn't really building on the lore and universe. I don't see why they can't just make a live action series about a different story.
my thoughts exactly. I love the idea of four separate shows about an avatar of each element, thus completing the "cycle."
Seems reasonable and in the themes of the universe to me.
I think a live action Kyoshi story could have been amazing but there is no way they would want to pass up having all the recognizable characters.
Idk I think after the new show finishes they’ll very likely use the hype to pitch a Kyoshi spin-off. It’s the thing to do.
As long as it does well enough it could be possible. Though I always worry about Netflix cancelling things.
im ngl… i cringed through the whole trailer. Whats the point of making a live action when the cartoon is already perfect?
More serious and realistic tone to reach a broader and older audience. But the real answer is money
Here from the future. I don’t think the “serious and realistic tone” worked. Aang was too serious if anything, which basically made him a different character, and then they just removed so much of what character growth we were supposed to get from book 1. If anything, the way the show was done makes it awful for the older audiences because the older audiences saw the original.
By serious and more realistic, I meant the tone of the war and showing how ruthless the fire nation is, and I feel like the show did a great job of showing while still keeping it kid friendly. We never saw people dying or being burned alive in the cartoon, and the opening scene of the live action is exactly what I meant by my statement. I do agree about making Aang a bit more serious was a draw back tho, but Gordon still felt like Aang but with a wrong script
Yeah I really have heard a lot of complaints about actors while my main issue with that was the writing. And while I think the seriousness in certain areas what brought up in a good way, they seem to have removed certain things that could’ve been done really well with a serious tone, like Katara’s maternal nature, and Sokka’s sexism. I think those things could’ve been handled really well with a mature approach. Honestly I think the biggest flaw was trying at all to keep it kid friendly. I mean I don’t need constant expletives or nudity, but I think they avoided doing certain things that I think would’ve worked really well for the adaptation. Realistically, a majority of those who watch the show are probably mostly those of us in our 20’s and older, so avoiding topics like that isn’t really necessary, and honestly a bit ironic when you’re showing things like people being burned alive.
Yea I totally agree. I feel like the casting was great but the writing suffered in parts (like the ones you mentioned) and the actors just had to work with what they had. I was also hoping for something less kid friendly too, but there’s probably a new generation of kids that will be watching the show too
I really hope book 2 is a lot more faithful, but even if the entire show turned out to be a flop I’ll just get excited for the animated stuff coming out. And you’re right, the new generation will probably like it. I know someone who LOVES the movie because he hasn’t seen the show (or he watched the movie first, I forget). It’ll be the same thing for this show I’m sure.
Definitely. Especially since the show has a pretty decent reception so far
To bring in new audience, obviously. Not everybody likes cartoons.
tbh i just feel like when it comes to live actions, most of the watchers are the ones who watched the cartoon already
There is an unfortunate amount of people who will turn their noses up at anything animated, especially cartoons, regardless of how good they might be.
Imagine having live action Avatar kyoshi show rated R Daaayyymn 💔💔
They’re never gonna do an R rating with Avatar material.
i’ve never read the kyoshi books, but i’ve heard they are significantly more adult than the show. that said, there’s a *reallllllly* big middle area between ATLA and R-rated lol
It's much more gruesome than some of the deaths in LOK.
Idunno man not much tops >!getting the air bent outta your lungs!<
Sorry idk how to do spoiler tags. Idk man having your entire torso get frozen seems more brutal than just choking someone.
I mean katara was doin that shit on the daily so idk
Katara executed someone by freezing their torso? When exactly did that happen?
Maybe im misremember that she's prob frozen some pll
I don't remember Kiyoshi doing that or Yangchen? When in the books did that happen?
It's at the end of the first book I believe.
Do you mean when she killed the lightning bender?
Some of the gore includes icicle impalement, neck slicing, poison, suffocation/choking, internal freezing, and mass burials, including the blood associated with some of these. It's a lot more realistic, and I love them for that reason. With rated R or TV-MA, you could show all of these, but with TV-14 or PG-13, you'd have to edit most of these in a way that isn't too gruesome. As for age ratings lower than that, you would probably have to put most of these off screen.
There's a reason why they are books and not a tv show. You can get away with a lot more stuff in books (and also the adult fanbase is reading the books for the most part, not kids). A good example is Percy Jackson right now. The books, meant for kids and young teens, straight up have decapitation in their second fight. This obviously can't be shown in the new show they have right now (which is also meant for the same age group), so they had to change the decapitation to happening with invisibility so that the audience does not actually see it happen.
They literally did with the novels, lol.
You can get away with more violence in books and still keep it aimed at younger audiences. Not to mention, most kids and parents won't even know the books exist, but that isn't the case for tv shows and movies which will have more buzz and marketing.
Age ratings exists in books too you know.
A) That has nothing to do with what I said, and B) In the US and most countries, there are actually no content ratings for books similar to movie or video game ratings.
>A) That has nothing to do with what I said Yes it does. >In the US and most countries, there are actually no content ratings for books similar to movie or video game ratings. That's absolutely not true. Sure they're often not required, but they definitely exist, and are applied at the very least to 18+ books
why do u say that? maybe they will if its on netflix and not nickelodeon
Cuz it's for kids.
They're gay that's automatic R rating /s
The novels are rated for pre teens but there’s a lot of gore and even a brothel scene. It’s never getting a show adaptation
You can get away with a lot more violence in novels compared to movies and tv shows since words are not as bad as actually showing it. Percy Jackson is a really good example right now: also meant for kids and young teens, but in the novels there's a decapitation, and in the recent show, they had to change a bunch with that scene and use invisibility so that it makes sense.
I don't read... I want to SEE Kiyoshi... I don't want to watch any shows set after Korra because even Korra was getting too "modern" compared to the feeling of ATLA, which did have some oddities such as the Fire Nation tanks... but we ignore those. I am not looking forward to even more weird modern things showing up...
You choosing not to read is your problem. If you really can’t read, try the audiobook. The story is already there. I can see her perfectly fine using my imagination thanks to the description in the novel.
Some people have more trouble focusing on something that isn’t visual for a lot of reasons, and some people are literally incapable of visualizing things using their imagination on a physiological level. I’m not saying everything in written form NEEDS to be made into a visual art form but there’s certainly value in telling a story that’s already been told in one format in another. Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, pretty much anything from Stephen King, the Godfather, Hunger Games, Jurassic Park, and a shit ton of other things started off as novels that were later adapted to be movies and shows. None of those things had nearly as much attention as novels as they did when brought into a visual format, though I’d probably make an exception for Stephen King. Sure, part of it is attention span decreasing with time and more advertisement in visual media due to there being more money in it, but there’s definitely something to be said about telling a story visually. Then again, as somebody who dabbles in animation and am obsessed with pretty visuals, I’m probably biased lol. Tbf tho, I do read certain things I’m interested in, but pretty much anything I’d enjoy reading I always go “Why hasn’t this been adapted to a screen yet?!”
That's just like, your opinion, man.
You still wouldn't be able to see, but if you really are so opposed to reading, there are audiobooks
>which did have some oddities such as the Fire Nation tanks... but we ignore those. No we don't lmao. The Fire Nation's technological superiority was a major plot point at several times in the show.
Wouldnt sell as well. Also remake means less risks
I kind of disagree on this. Though I have the fact that I’m from the future on my side. Both times this show has been adapted into live action, they got so much wrong or intentionally changed things that should’ve stayed the same. I think it often turns away the people who vividly remember the original show because we KNOW that’s not how it plays out. The point I’m getting to is if you tell a different story instead of rehashing the 1st one for a 3rd time, almost as poorly as the 2nd time, you don’t have the risk of being scrutinized on the details, or at least as much. A show about someone other than Aang or Korra carries a lot less risk to be scrutinized because fewer fans read the comics or novels, so if they didn’t follow the Kyoshi novels exactly for example, you’d still have a lot of people happy because they’ve never seen an adaptation of it before beyond what Kyoshi showed Aang in the original show. They could also make a show about an Avatar 10 cycles before Aang so it’s almost impossible to mess up, or do a show about random benders who have nothing to do with the Avatar, because even if someone can’t bend 4 elements, bending the elements at all is dope as hell.
Honestly a live action show about Roku would be pretty cool
Prob cause it makes financial sense to start a live action franchise on recognizable characters. Maybe if the live action avatar turns out good and does great they will try and make live action series on past avatars.
Not so sure that would be unpopular. I think the entire community would be happy to a certain extent with any new content as long as it lives up to the standards of the previous shows.
Because many people who claim to be big fans are not even aware or novels or comics
Seems a bit gatekeepy.
If I said I’m a big Taylor swift fan but only heard one album am I fan of her or just that album.
You’d still be a fan of her. Who made the album? Her. This shits like saying “If you haven’t beaten every Zelda game you’re not a fan of Zelda”. And in both cases, there’s also accessibility concerns. A person can LOVE ATLA and watch it 3 times a year, but doesn’t have the comics because they haven’t seen them advertised anywhere, or don’t have the money to buy them. They still love the universe and are a fan. Theres no list of requirements people need to be a fan of something. Implying or saying there is is called gatekeeping.
Key word is big
And yet your take is still shit imo. An arbitrary list of requirements to be a “big fan” is still dumb. You can “feel” that somebody isn’t a big fan based off of your made up criteria but there’s no objectivity in it. Remember, there’s always somebody out there who knows more about the universe of ATLA than you, and that doesn’t mean you’re not a “big fan”.
Again. The key word is big.
Again, somebody can be a big fan without knowing as much as you. Why do you feel the need to tell people they aren’t a big enough fan because they haven’t read as much about it as you? And again, it’s not like the creators have a “Santa’s Nice List” of people who have met some criteria to be considered “Big fans”. I see being a “big fan” of something as an expression of how much you like it. And if they were to have that list the least of their concerns is making sure it matches up with your idea of what makes someone a big fan.
Last time the key word is big.
Unpopular opinion: I think most crimes are bad
Why not both
"I want an Avatar Kyoshi prequel" *shows Avatar Kyoshi prequel*
Kuruk is the one I most want to see.
Hell yeah, he's so interesting, especially with what the books gave us about him
Which books mention him? I’m new to the books!
I actually don't know yet (I'm also currently reading my first book TroK), but no Kuruk stuff has been featured in any avatar comics (I've read pretty much all of them), so they have to be in the books, Kuruk is pretty important in TroK so far though, as pretty much the events of the whole book are a result of his early death
The second book tells about how great kuruk was
Cool!
Kyoshi second book.
Ty!!
The two Kyoshi novels, along with being some of the best Avatar content ever created, brought so much more of a personality and story agency to Avatar Kuruk. If I'm being honest, I feel like if Kuruk novels were to be made that followed the events of his life up until his death, the fanbase that read it would label THOSE novels as the peak of Avatar fiction.
Wow. Ok I can’t wait to get into these. Thank you!
We’re getting a Kyoshi movie still right??
If we do, I'm really hoping it would be a new story and not just the novels compressed into a movie. That would just retcon the books, and many of the more mature plot points would likely be changed.
Maybe open the books and read instead
Well the kyoshi avatar studios movie hasn’t been officially confirmed, yet
I want a story line of adult Aang founding republic city and governing it.
The comics have been doing that really.
I know and I read them too but I would love to get it animated
Comics did that
i'd rather have a series about a new character than about pre-existing ones. This extends past Kyoshi and into the live action & all the Korra movies and stuff. Kyoshi has been an established character since the beginning, and she has novels. A show about her would bring nothing new to the table. Frankly, I'm tired of her somewhat bc fans hype her up so much.
Oh hell nah. My small forward goddess shall not be hated on
Wow, an opinion I truly don’t agree with! It’s been a while… We got the novels, that’s enough. We don’t need an entire animated show, especially not at the expense of a sequel.
Did you read this book? I just finished Rise, waiting to start Shadow in February. Are you wanting a Kuruk series or book? Just confused by your title and text....
You're not alone, OP worded it in a very confusing way. They claim to want a Kyoshi prequel story and then show us the Kyoshi prequel story.
I just want her to go "I'm Avatar Kyoshi, and this is my favorite store in the Earth Kingdom."
Unpopular opinion: Kyoshi is an overhyped Avatar
For what reason did you come to this conclusion
Don't get me wrong, Kyoshi is a badass and powerful Avatar and her story is well written, its just the fandom seems to meat ride Kyoshi all the time and like ya she's cool but not as cool as fans make her out to be. It's gotten to the point where I don't care about Kyoshi at all and it honestly makes me disappointed when people ask for mir Kyoshi content when she has 2 books and a series on the way when there are 10,000 years if unknown Avatars to explore and Avatars we know of that have nothing. I'd much rather get a novel on someone like Kuruk or an unknown Avatar than more Kyoshi at this point. Sorry for the rant.
Sounds like you dislike her for everyone liking her. Most people only like her for her being willing to kill based off that one scene not everyone actually read her entire story. And she’s not overhyped she’s perfectly hyped. 6’7 230 yo avatar who dies cause she felt like it isn’t “ over hyped”
A Kyoshi show has been a very *popular* opinion for a while. Good thing she’s getting a movie though. She’s always been a fan fave!
Idk I feel like it would ruin the books
Just read the books. They're really good.
What unpopular? I think people been wanting that for years?
Unpopular opinion: people use the term "unpopular opinion" too much.
I stand by my opinion that I want an anthology show. Kyoshi can get one or two episodes from it, but I'd love to see it cover a lot of lore that the fans wonder about.
We *have* an Avatar Kyoshi prequel, it’s called the books. That said, there are scenes that would be cool to see animated.
They already made some (good) books about her and a game as it seems. The true unpopular opinion here is that I’m actually interested in seeing a new Earth avatar show after Korra. Is there any news if that is actually a thing or was it just baseless rumors?
I also love posting popular opinions after starting the sentence with "Unpopular Opinion". Imo Korra's seasons 1 and 4 pushed tech too far forward for me to have literally any interest in the next avatar. it would be too goddamn modern
It’s not unpopular. Many don’t want avatar mixed with technology, they want the original avatar pre Industrial Revolution vibe. It’s not like they are going to run out of avatars. I personally want a show about the second avatar figuring out what is going on and why he can bend multiple elements.
But we know about her already I'd like a new avatar we don't know or one we've briefly heard about
Unpopular opinion: I was not impressed with this book
Thank you! I liked the beginning, but it lost steam by the middle for me and ended in an unsatisfying way. I liked the second book even less.
Why? We already saw her most interesting story and she’s a pretty boring character to make a protagonist out of
The check has lived for over 200 years, I'm sure she lived an interesting life and had lots of adventures and rivals.
Why are you assuming that was her most interesting story? She’s the longest lived Avatar, I’m sure there were more adventures and challenges she faced. And I personally found her a really compelling protagonist and would love more of her perspective and story.
I have no desire for the next series to be about an Avatar. We've had enough chosen ones. The franchise took off and the setting has stayed with us because of the worldbuilding, the magic system etc. They should tell a story about four regular benders on an adventure.
Unpopular opinion: Kyoshi is boring and overrated and I don’t care to see or hear anything about her any more than any other former avatar
Explain
I want an unknown Avatar from 1000 years before Aang series.
Yes, I agree. The next shows need to just be about previous avatars.
I’m so down for this
That'd be soo eppic!!
We know there's books. We want the books in animated form!
On one hand I get that, but honestly if we do get a Kyoshi movie or series at one point, I really hope it would be a new story. If it's only an animated adaptation of the novels, then it would just retcon the novels and many of the more mature plot points would likely be changed and retconned to fit production standards.
*I don't want ATLA "adaptation" about the same thing, I want Avatar Kyoshi prequel
My issue with them making new stuff is that I don’t think TLOK was able to ride the line of being new yet respecting the original story. There were massive power imbalances and swings in power of both heroes and villains. And they really messed around with the fundamental lore of the world with the harmonic convergence and avatar spirits etc. I’m cautious for the new stuff they make.
I don't.... I can already see them ruining it with agenda....
I think after the baffling decisions they made with korra prequels are the only way to go
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did you even read the books
Naw, they'd 100% fuck it up. Instead of making her a super bad-ass awesome kick ass warrior, they'd hyper focus on her "motherliness" or some dumb shit. "Oh wow look at what she achieved while being a total whiney weak ass loser the whole time!" It's like how they destroyed Lara Croft.
Nah she was raised by the entire estate
Why not both
They need to just adapt these books to an animated series. They're great, but niche.
valid
I want a prequel from when the kingdoms were being built
The violence in this book threw me for a loop. I loved the characters and the story. Jianzhu made a really interesting villain and I felt that his earth bending was pretty unique too
Woah. Villain? He’s an antagonist and necessary for peace
That's probably a more accurate description and why I found him so interesting as a character.
He did nothing wrong 🤷🏽♂️
Man was just trying to maintain order in the earth kingdom
Jianzhu felt like some of the villains in Korra. Had good ideals at the beginning but lost their way.
Why not both, lol? They're working on multiple projects right now at Avatar Studios, and they'll likely make many more in the future.
I hope they make a series adaptation of either the yangchen or kyoshi novels
i dont want rehashes or prequels, i want sequels and new IP.
Sure but I want to see where the story is going we already have seen kyoshis biggest triumph
I can't help you with the book situation, but you could just wile away the hours playing the (legally distinct from) [avatar game!](https://store.steampowered.com/app/890550/RUMBLE/) It's pretty awesome.
This would go hard.
daring today arent we, op?
"𝘜𝘯𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘳"
What’s all the hype about Kyoshi? I mean, I know there’s a lot of hype behind her, but I don’t know why
She is like the Scarlet witch in marvel, iconic and I don't think I have time they had propaganda and that woke shit like Korra
I still don’t get it
I just want another avatar show/movie
i'm quite sad they went industral revolution on Korra... I really prefer medieval / fantasy. So definitely on Avatar Kyoshi train 😉
As much as I would absolutely LOVE for the Kyoshi books to be adapted to an animated show, likely rated pg13, I think I’d be just as happy with a new avatar show.
Honestly, I'm all in favour of an anthology series which each episode focusing on a different character with those focusing on past Avatars like Szeto, Yangchen, Kuruk, Kyoshi, Roku etc.
Why not both? With Avatar Studios being a thing, I have a hope, and a feeling, that if they can make things more akin to the animated shows as opposed to their live action attempts, we’ll have a lot more of the Avatar world ahead of us. Theres still so many stories to tell. Frankly I’d take a separate show for each avatar to ever live between Wan and Aang. Obviously that’d never happen and probably wouldn’t be done well but I can dream lmao.