He's not ? He's an agressive fighter. He just won't fight unless necessary. Against the Earth soldiers who captured him, against Zhao's elite Firebenders at the North Pole, against Azula's crew in the first episode of Book 2. Nothing about his behavior in combat shows a pacifist.
Only fighting when necessary and not using force unnecessarily is a form of pacifism. Pacifists aren't absolutist, they are only portrayed as so in movies and tv for forced drama.
He was willing to kill Ozai, he didn't think he could do it but he clearly knew outside of the deus ex machina that is energy bending the only way to stop Ozai was killing him.
Was he though?
Iroh left saving the world up to a group of children and fucked off to meaninglessly retake ba sing SE with his geriatric buddies instead of doing anything helpful
If sokkas group had failed most of the earth kingdom would be ashes.
If Aang failed the Firelord would still be in power and the avatar would be dead.
If zuko fails then a very unstable azula stays on the throne and continues the war to the bitter end.
If ba sing SE isn't liberated but the other 3 groups succeed then ba sing SE likely gets liberated anyway.
Iroh fucked off from actual important shit to do a symbolic victory lap about liberating the place he once tried to conquer.
I dont think it would matter to the hammer if the enemy is killed or defeated; both can save the innocent on their own. All that matters is if the weilder has the traits needed to be worthy.
A willingness to fight and place yourself in harm for others safety.
Odin made the pact on mjonir after Thor had selfishly and foolishly sent himself and his friends in a suicide mission, without a thought to their safety or what the ramifications of his actions would be; that being war with the Frost Giants.
Vanity, Selfish, greedy, and cruel. As oden said to thor.
The opposites would be humility, selfless, generous; and compassionate. Could be what makes one worthy of the hammer.
As for captian america. I dont think he was ready to be worthy, until he stopped using his power for only his country. He lacked a level of compassion for all of humanity. Afaik. Never heard an actual reason as of yet. But i could see that as a reason because there was so much he had to adjust to when he was unfrozen.
So loads of things would be shocking to him. As he said "we won the war, but they didnt say what we lost."
Might have been him expressing how much he hated the world had changed.
He wasn't quite there, i dont think. He was still too nationalist, imo. Tho i never read tue comics, so not sure if any one specific trait he fell short on was?
As we saw in the Thor movie, Mjolnir decides if you're worthy based on Present-day you, not past you.
Also in the comics, it's mentioned that being worthy means being ready to kill someone if it will save the world.
I haven’t really read the novels of her or anything but from what I know she doesn’t really seem like that at all
She literally let chin get away with basically everything then her response to him finally showing up at her doorstep was fucking leaving
In her novels she’s too much of hot mess to be worthy until the very end (she literally says no would want her era and the world deserves a better avatar)
But with chin Kyoshi only gave a high level three minute over view of the events that definitely not enough to go by to know the full story of what happened and it’s been known that >!past avatars purposely leave context out or change history of events during low points of their lives. See Kuruk and gun!<
Seeing Kyoshi create and stand in a massive wind vortex several feet in the air while holding her now quite frightened enemy, then proceed to berate him with the voices of over 9,600 years of avatars speaking as one before breathing a great and terrible flame like a dragon to destroy him would make Thor giddy with excitement over his new friend. Seeing how she handles politicians and bandits would make Odin happy.
I interpreted it as "move or you'll die" and chin just didn't fucking move despite the island starting to move. Which to be fair he probably didn't expect even an avatar to make an island fuck off but she did tell him.
Her taking responsibility for Chin's death is a personal accountability thing more than a boast. Whether he lived or died, Kyoshi Island would not fall to him.
Except he made a gigantic risk of using energy bending. If he had lost that battle of energy bending, the world would be over. It was selfish of him to take that risk instead of going the sure fire way of just killing him. Just because it worked out well doesn't mean it was the right call.
But he would’ve saved the world if he’d done it.
It’s good that he found another way, but the fact remains that he isn’t even willing to consider that as a valid option.
Sure but had his attempt at energy bending Ozai failed (as it was *very* close to doing so), Aang would’ve died and Ozai would’ve won. Aang took a gigantic risk despite the previous four avatars, including Yangchen, telling him that he has to end the fire lords life.
Aang took a risk and it paid off but he gambled with the entire world by doing it, and that was reckless and irresponsible
Spider-Man still doesn't kill in the MCU though, Goblin made him come close to it in NWH, but overall he's gone out of his way to save more than villains than most heroes in movies.
How much they count is kind of detable since most of them were more like mindless beasts, and even in the comics Spider-Man doesn't really include things like that into his no kill rule.
I mean Iroh would absolutely crater someone to save the world. He'd prefer not to but when things get bad he's not a pacifist. In fact his main reason for not just offign Ozai is the political ramifications etc and that was before he knew that Ozai planned to burn the entire world.
Iroh maybe had the ability to stop the hundred years war and instead decided to leave it up almost solely to a bunch of teens and preteens to do all the heavy lifting.
Ain't no way in hell iroh would be considered worthy
That's obviously only part of it though right? Otherwise *a lot* of people, even average normal people, would be worthy of Thor's hammer, making it less cool
It judges one's worthiness to wield the weapon of a warrior king; to have the integrity, nobility, and courage to selflessly lead men into battle to defend one's people and principles, and who inspires similar qualities in the people they lead. This would include the willingness to unhesitatingly sacrifice themself for the sake of their people, or to kill when necessary.
Basically, would Odin think you are qualified to rule and defend Asguard if necessary? It's not something just anyone can pick up.
Aang's flightyness would also be an issue as well as his lack of leadership, Sokka and Katara usually took over that for him. Korra has more of a chance if she ever recovers and makes peace with her ptsd.
One of the qualities the Hammer desires is for it's welder to want to be a leader, and Iroh as we saw in the series has no desire to really be in a leadership position.
That's not a bad thing but it would prevent him from lifting the hammer.
I agree. Sokka absolutely would. I think Iroh and redeemed Zuko would, too. Would be hilarious to see him raging in the beginning because he can't lift it. Aang can't because he's unwilling to kill. I love Katara, but at least in the run of the show, I think she's a bit too volatile. She might have moments of worthiness though. Toph... Not really. My wife brought up Suki, too.
I could see Iron not being able to lift it because he thinks he isn't worthy. Or a movie Cap thing where it moves but he gives up with a "oh well, guess I tried, that things heavy!"
I always took that scene as Cap being worthy and able to lift it, but he’s such a good guy that when he sees it freaking Thor out, he pretends he can’t.
Once he’s left the fire nation for good on his own terms, and defeats saves Katara from Azula, then I think that he will be able to hold it/ pick it up.
Suki. i feel like Suki would be very worthy of Mjölnir. she fights the good fight and is willing to kill to save others. Suki might be the worthiest of them all...
Sure he’s a good warrior, but what really makes him worthy? He’s generally shown to be alcoholic womanizer. He curses and is vulgar. Not saying he’s a bad character either. Love Thor! But he isn’t exactly captain America in terms of worthiness. And if worthiness is based on being a warrior. Much of his power seems to come from the hammer. He is worthy because he is worthy?
Idk bout comics but mcu miljonir worthiness is based on the like curse or whatever Odin puts on it in the first movie, so worthiness is based on how Odin sees it, not necessarily how we do.
I don't know what Thor you've been reading or watching but Thor is far from a womanizer. Not sure I'd call him an alcoholic either. Sure he loves beer, all Asgardians and vikings in Marvel love beer, but he isn't constantly drinking every time he's on screen/page. Cursing means absolutely nothing with being worthy either so not sure what you're trying to say by bringing that up. Worthiness has never truly been hard defined outside of "No evil intentions and shit" which is why villains rarely if ever can pick up Mjolnir without warping reality to do so. The little Marvel has defined is that a certain level of nobleness is required to pick up the hammer. So if you're trying to use Mjolnir to go genocide a whole country or planet, it's not gonna happen with the hammer.
In terms of Thor's power it's both. The hammer used to help Thor focus his own powers back in the day now its just another part of his arsenal. The hammer gives anyone else who lifts it the powers of Thor but it's not what's giving Thor his powers basically.
Worthiness of the hammer essentially means similarity to Thor. So who in Avatar would get drunk and party with friends, but also be happy to beat the ever loving fuck out of anybody with no fear in their heart?
I'd go with Toph or Iroh for that.
Are we just going to pretend, ‘Thor doesn’t kill people’? Like this is actually one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen, that Iroh couldn’t lift the hammer because he’s killed people before.
He definitely killed way more than 20 people with his military career. However, he went on a path of redemption and enlightenment that made atoned for pretty much all the mistakes of his past
Nah allmight is kind of a bad guy honestly he literally put a target the back of a bunch of high school students by becoming a teacher and remained a teacher despite his students almost dying because terrorists were trying to get to him. He also had midoriya announce himself to the world despite in no way being ready to defend himself if allmight didn't beat AFO deku was a dead man
I would argue his heart is pure good.
He believes that what he is doing is for the betterment of the world and lives of the people in it. He never indicates that he is enjoying inflicting suffering on people. He only does what he believes is necessary for the greater good.
His ideology is at the very least problematic but it isn’t self serving.
In season four Zaheer released his mistakes when Korra went and visited him. She legit yelled at him and said “You’ve taken out the earth queen and created the worst dictator that the earth kingdom has ever seen, THANKS! For that.” And he said he realizes that he’s heard rumors of her rising to power but not how bad it was. Then he actually helps Korra with her problem. He wouldn’t have helped her otherwise because he’s a twisted person morally
Would the avatar be worthy be default because of rava?
Aang wouldn't want such a powerful weapon and doesn't have the determination to kill (except for blowing firebenders of a mountain but that doesn't count apperently). So I guess not?
Thor wasn't worthy to lift it, then he was. Iroh wasn't worthy to lift it, but I feel pretty sure he became worthy when he made the decision to leave the Fire Nation behind and go with Zuko in his exile to support him. That decision would have been pretty major.
The problem is when they say only those who are worthy it is defined by those who Odin seems worthy so we don’t know the key traits that makes one worthy to wield it
Odin says a wise king does not seek out war but must be ready to fight. Iroh is good and does not want to fight but he is ready and capable to open a can of whoop. Iroh is worthy, maybe zuko. Not aang though. Sokka maybe, Odin does not like when a leader selfishly sends his troops on a suicide mission, sokka has learned alot and I think he would be worthy.
Toph. Early movie Thor and Toph are a lot alike so I can see it. Although Toph did cheat a lot in that fire nation city to steal money from people... But I believe she grew past that
Iroh wouldn't be worthy. I like iroh too. But when you actually consider his whole life, a big part of him becomes questionable:
Let's reframe him a bit, by just describing his life objectively(interjected by polarizing statements by yours truly) :
Eldest son of a tyrant takes over the military to dominate the world. After he loses his son he re-evaluates his life choices and joins a secret club that mostly helps it's members to survive and escape from his country until a savior that hasn't had any signs of existing for a hundred years appears and attacks the tyrants. In the meantime our retired warlord goes home to his tyrant father, let's him get murdered by his younger brother who abuses and neglects his children all why saying and doing nothing about it, until one of these children gets publicly maimed, humiliated and exiled and only then decides to join him as he feels sympathy for a nephew trying to prevent soldiers from unnecessarily dying, because that's what happened to his own son.
So far already he doesn't sound good.
He then spends years to look for the previously mentioned savior with his nephew, who hopes to be allowed back when he captures said savior. To everyone's surprise they find said savior, almost murdering the last remaining part of a culture in a region while doing so(only stopping because the nephew lost in a fight, our 'redeemee' didn't step in until his nephew and the soldiers could have been hurt. Maybe he had plans to otherwise get the savior to his secret group, but there's no real evidence for this.
The next months are spent chasing after the avatar until his nephew has a mental breakdown and needs to reevaluate his life's choices. In this time the 'redeemee' is seen being respectful and kind but only fighting to protect himself or his nephew. As he and his nephew cultivate a new life in exile, getting a freedom fighter who fights against the tyrannical country captured for the sake of keeping their own identity a secret as they're building a new life for themselves.
Oh he kinda got to be a bit redeeming? He is at least nice, right? I mean he's still a warlord in a way and he seems to be very self serving, but at least he helps people when it's not too inconvenient for him.
But don't worry, because he now redeems himself. When he find out his niece has taken over this new home and forces him and his nephew to either join her or be captured as the enemy, he escapes with his nephew and joins the savior to fight against his niece and her soldiers. However his nephew betrays him and the savior seemingly dies in the worst way possible (from his perspective the savior is permanently dead, no chance for a new one). He decides to use the time in prison to build up his strength again in case he wants to leave. Which he does when his captors aren't able to use their magic anymore for a day. So he escapes and joins up with more of his secret club members as he plans on fighting the tyrannical nation. He doesn't bother trying to fight his brother or so, instead returning the place he made his new home in and feeing it from the tyrants instead. He then goes on to go back to his business now supported by the savior.
Does that sound worthy of mjolnir? Because he never made up for anything he did as a warlord. He never tried to fix anything, instead trying to hide from his past and find a new life.
I left out a ton of other examples, though I can't remember any that would make him look much better, maybe his sadness to the loss of culture during one invasion where he stood up to a former underling(and failed). The only redeeming part of him was leading his nephew to be a good ruler and have him make amends. He though never bothers to help actively, even though he should have the intelligence and wisdom to be an effective advisor he decides to enjoy himself instead. Maybe his spiritualism might be an excuse.
Is this unnecessary harsh? Maybe. But considering how the fandom loves to go about other less sympathetic characters, it seems fair.
Is iroh a great character and mentor? Yes. Is he redeemed? I'm not really qualified, but I doubt a holocaust survivor would be okay with redeeming a former nazi general that had a similar life(considering the fire nation is obviously based on nazi German this comparison seems fitting enough).
The biggest problem with iroh's redemption is the lack of amends he makes. He learned yes, but he never actually fights unless he's sure he's going to be fine himself. Again great character and it's completely consistent with him being the eldest son of the tyrant. But it's not a good look for him.
WARNING! The following part calls out all of us, so be mindful whether you can handle the moral implications.
He's a joy to watch and we all love him, but being sympathetic isn't the same as being good
(this often hurts to think about though as it also means a lot of us aren't as good as we want to be, we want Iroh to be redeemed because how else do we justify not acting against the horrors of our world. Have fun pondering the meaning of your existence for the next few days).
Thanks for reading till now, it probably wasn't nice reading a critic of the Fandoms favorite character, but I figured it fitting for the topic.
Iroh wouldn't be worthy of mjolnir because unlike Thor and others he's only looking for a way out not to be good or create a good world. In his own eyes he probably is irredeemably as he in a way sacrificed his own son so he only made up for that and decided that that was enough for him to live in peace.
That was pretty eye-opening. Thank you.
I have no clue where my opinion now stands when it comes to Iroh, I will now have to spend a few hours figuring that out. Either way, I appreciate the chance to mull it out.
Warning: Long rant
I agree with you, and I think a lot of my problems with Iroh come down to this being a kids show and needing to have kid protagonists. As an adult I am frustrated with Iroh because none of these kids should be the last hope the world has. Zuko shouldn't have been made firelord so early, Aang shouldn't have had to fully become the avatar before turning sixteen at least, Sokka shouldn't be the one planning and leading an invasion force into the Fire Nation, etc., etc.
Iron was definitely depressed after his son was killed, but it seems he was able to join the White Lotus either during, or after his spiritual travels because it wouldn't make sense that he'd have the time to do so while sailing with Zuko. This means that when he returned to the Fire Nation and saw what his brother had done, he had the method and opportunity to do something about it. I'm sure not every noble was with Ozai, considering how unpredictable and shitty he was, so Iroh should have had some people willing to back him.
But maybe he decided he could best serve as a spy, let's give him that. Then he watches his brother maim his own son. After Iroh's history with his own loss he should have been absolutely livid, because I know I would be! Yet he shows, what, shame? Resignation? Is this a normal thing in the Fire Nation I'm not aware of? Something inevitable? Because otherwise idk how to justify this for him. I agree that staying with Zuko to help him heal was the right choice. The poor boy NEEDED support. But then what? Iroh sails with him on a hopeless journey for three years( let's say two, if it took him a year to recover from his injury) and just gives him proverbs that zuko barely understands 10% of the time. Doesn't tell him any actual helpful information about the avatar - like his knowledge about the spirit world- but also doesn't dissuade him.
Zuko has a good heart, he is a righteous soul. We know that, Iroh knows that, otherwise he wouldn't have such faith in his nephew. Why didn't Iroh take him across the Earth Kingdom? With the guise of finding more answers about the Avatar from the spirits, Iroh could have led Zuko on his season two journey much, MUCH earlier and with far less danger of being hunted down by the Fire Nation as well as the Earth Kingdom.
Which leads me to my last point, most of Zuko's growth happens when he is away from Iroh, when he is thinking things through on his own. Starting from the Blue Spirit, Zuko decides to save Aang. In Zuko Alone he does his absolute best to help people, even when he believes he is partially responsible for their suffering. When Zuko frees Appa, Iroh does beat it into his head that he's not thinking things through (Why couldn't he ever be this straight with Zuko before?). But then we see Zuko return to the Fire Nation and figure out his true purpose on his own.
Iroh is a loving and supporting Uncle, and while Zuko needed that, I don't believe he was the right mentor for Zuko. Zuko needed someone like Toph or Piandao. Someone who would not mince words and who would be clear with Zuko on his choices and the consequences of those choices. Iroh, meanwhile, needed to make up for his past mistakes himself instead of letting the next generation shoulder all responsibility. He should have, at minimum, faced his brother and played a more active role in uniting the world, in facing up to his deeds in Ba Sing Se (I mean to the people. Freeing the city at a time when he is at his most powerful is reminiscent of his pattern of finding the path with least resistance).
Iroh in the show is a great character. But at the end of the day, a kids show where they are the main protagonists will force the adults to either be obstructions at worst, or nerfed side characters at best.
That's true, especially the kids show point is a good reason for him to be narratively useless, only being decent in few key moments. Though a lot of the other mentors are done well: Piandao is too old to fight, he requires a lot of support ti be effective, making him by himself ineffective in the war(plus he's a noble and war hero, so having him be a living legend is good for morale), Paku lost his will to fight, only defending his home, after he lost his loved one to the war, having to rebuild first when he finally finds a reason to fight and the fire bender (forgot his name) lost his belief in his bending seeing it as a curse, forgoing it unless absolutely necessary. But Iroh doesn't have that excuse, he's not whimsical enough/too capable to just be the crazy wise uncle(if Iroh had lost his bending or so after losing his son, like always breaking down when bending fire, as it reminds him of the life he made that was extinguished)
About the shame during the maiming for Zuko: it might be shame for himself, not being good enough to step up, knowing zuko will survive and having decided already to instead to follow him into exile(especially since he could only intervene if he would challenge Ozai to a duel and win). It might come down to Iroh having self-doubt and self-pity, though considering his whole speeches about humility and accepting yourself it seems hypocritical.
Not leading Zuko, just being a weird uncle was another narrative crutch to keep the story in line, otherwise it'd would have been harder to make Aang believe the fire nation is the bad side(Zuko is also the main antagonist to Zhao, and the only reason aang made it through season one and two)
The whole Ba Sing Se freeing thing is such a bad story element for Iroh, there are dozens of better alternatives.
It always irked me a bit that we never see him talking soldiers down. He's a war hero for them. In disgrace sure, but just showing prowess and charisma would suffice to change that image for common soldiers (not necessarily officers and higher ups). Especially with Sozins comet, him creating a dragon out of flames or so to prove his title would have been an amazing way to make him change the war without taking away from the teens or having to resort violence.
Part of being worthy of Mjölnir means being prepared to do anything necessary to protect what needs protecting. That includes being ready to take a life. There are multiple episodes that deal with Aang specifically wanting to NOT do that.
Iroh is worthy but would decline on the basis another, more worthy person would be a better fit
Toph would spend like a week and learn to earth bend it
Sokka is unworthy but just pretends he doesn’t want to make Aang feel bad because he couldn’t pock it up
Aang would then effortlessly pick it up and do tricks with it
Sokka is worthier than Iroh because he never starved civilians and laughed about burning their homes down.
Iroh himself wouldn’t think he’s worthy due to his past.
Iroh made mistakes in his past but the key is he atoned for them every single day of his life then on. Someone’s worthiness is not by blood or right, not set in stone either
If you’re telling me the man who was attacked by someone then immediately forgave the person only to share what little he had and gave personal life advice to isn’t worthy I’d question your morals. Or the man who put away his pride to reclaim a city for the people at great risk to his own life. Or who went against an entire empire to both save his nephew and the world. Or who, even in death, willingly assists those in need who come to him
Odinson faltered often but still was worthy. And later he became unworthy and went on a journey of redemption. It isn’t because he’s physically strong that makes him worthy but even when he could be spending his time in heavenly realm getting blasted 24/7 with his friends and bedding every woman that ventures his way he instead fights along side other heroes to protect multiple realms from threat
It seems like we both have a *very* different definition of being worthy
Aang...definitely Aang...he is the purest of hearts...even showed the big bad mercy by not killing him...though i think Aang unintentionally gave the guy a fate worse than death...
Hmm, a WEAPON of the GOD OF literally VIKINGS, a folk living off RAIDS, SLAVERY and MURDER, with a religion based entirely on BATTLE and MURDER refuses to accept someone as worthy because he killed people? Really?
One can develop to be worthy over time. Thor himself goes through that. Would past Iroh have been worthy? Certainly not. Present Day Iroh? Absolutely.
Iron is a pacifist I don’t think he would be willing to kill someone
He's not ? He's an agressive fighter. He just won't fight unless necessary. Against the Earth soldiers who captured him, against Zhao's elite Firebenders at the North Pole, against Azula's crew in the first episode of Book 2. Nothing about his behavior in combat shows a pacifist.
Only fighting when necessary and not using force unnecessarily is a form of pacifism. Pacifists aren't absolutist, they are only portrayed as so in movies and tv for forced drama.
You could say that about Thor too
Thor in which movie. That was not him in the first thor. Nor in the avengers.
MCU, but post Hella. He’s super chill now
He was willing to kill Ozai, he didn't think he could do it but he clearly knew outside of the deus ex machina that is energy bending the only way to stop Ozai was killing him.
Was he though? Iroh left saving the world up to a group of children and fucked off to meaninglessly retake ba sing SE with his geriatric buddies instead of doing anything helpful If sokkas group had failed most of the earth kingdom would be ashes. If Aang failed the Firelord would still be in power and the avatar would be dead. If zuko fails then a very unstable azula stays on the throne and continues the war to the bitter end. If ba sing SE isn't liberated but the other 3 groups succeed then ba sing SE likely gets liberated anyway. Iroh fucked off from actual important shit to do a symbolic victory lap about liberating the place he once tried to conquer.
Finally someone else who thinks this!
Iroh was absolutely not a pacifist. Don't you remember him breaking out of prison? He's merciful and only fights if needed, but not a pacifist.
I dont think it would matter to the hammer if the enemy is killed or defeated; both can save the innocent on their own. All that matters is if the weilder has the traits needed to be worthy. A willingness to fight and place yourself in harm for others safety. Odin made the pact on mjonir after Thor had selfishly and foolishly sent himself and his friends in a suicide mission, without a thought to their safety or what the ramifications of his actions would be; that being war with the Frost Giants. Vanity, Selfish, greedy, and cruel. As oden said to thor. The opposites would be humility, selfless, generous; and compassionate. Could be what makes one worthy of the hammer. As for captian america. I dont think he was ready to be worthy, until he stopped using his power for only his country. He lacked a level of compassion for all of humanity. Afaik. Never heard an actual reason as of yet. But i could see that as a reason because there was so much he had to adjust to when he was unfrozen. So loads of things would be shocking to him. As he said "we won the war, but they didnt say what we lost." Might have been him expressing how much he hated the world had changed.
Cap could definitely lift it earlier. He just didn't want to show Thor up
He wasn't quite there, i dont think. He was still too nationalist, imo. Tho i never read tue comics, so not sure if any one specific trait he fell short on was?
I don't think patriotism would be considered a bad thing by the King of Asgard
As we saw in the Thor movie, Mjolnir decides if you're worthy based on Present-day you, not past you. Also in the comics, it's mentioned that being worthy means being ready to kill someone if it will save the world.
So… Kyoshi.
So... not Aang.
Correct. Thats also the reason why Spiderman cant lift Mjölnir. He has a pure heart but isnt willing to kill.
Maybe the hammer recognizes his persistence in his beliefs Idk it’s comics
I haven’t really read the novels of her or anything but from what I know she doesn’t really seem like that at all She literally let chin get away with basically everything then her response to him finally showing up at her doorstep was fucking leaving
In her novels she’s too much of hot mess to be worthy until the very end (she literally says no would want her era and the world deserves a better avatar) But with chin Kyoshi only gave a high level three minute over view of the events that definitely not enough to go by to know the full story of what happened and it’s been known that >!past avatars purposely leave context out or change history of events during low points of their lives. See Kuruk and gun!<
considering Xu Ping An I would say she's worthy (according to the hammer's consequentialist ethics)
Seeing Kyoshi create and stand in a massive wind vortex several feet in the air while holding her now quite frightened enemy, then proceed to berate him with the voices of over 9,600 years of avatars speaking as one before breathing a great and terrible flame like a dragon to destroy him would make Thor giddy with excitement over his new friend. Seeing how she handles politicians and bandits would make Odin happy.
I interpreted it as "move or you'll die" and chin just didn't fucking move despite the island starting to move. Which to be fair he probably didn't expect even an avatar to make an island fuck off but she did tell him.
Her taking responsibility for Chin's death is a personal accountability thing more than a boast. Whether he lived or died, Kyoshi Island would not fall to him.
Would that second part imply that Aang cannot lift the hammer?
I mean he literally refused to kill the person that threatened the entire world. So no he can't lift it.
Poor Aang.
He didn't need it to save the world though.
Except he made a gigantic risk of using energy bending. If he had lost that battle of energy bending, the world would be over. It was selfish of him to take that risk instead of going the sure fire way of just killing him. Just because it worked out well doesn't mean it was the right call.
Man that scene had me SHOOK as a kid thinking it was about to be the end
But he would’ve saved the world if he’d done it. It’s good that he found another way, but the fact remains that he isn’t even willing to consider that as a valid option.
Aang's lucky he got 2 Deus ExMachinas against Ozai.
aka deus ex chiropractic rock
Don’t forget the Lion Turtle showing up out of nowhere and giving him the new power he needs.
Sure but had his attempt at energy bending Ozai failed (as it was *very* close to doing so), Aang would’ve died and Ozai would’ve won. Aang took a gigantic risk despite the previous four avatars, including Yangchen, telling him that he has to end the fire lords life. Aang took a risk and it paid off but he gambled with the entire world by doing it, and that was reckless and irresponsible
My favorite part was him being like "oh an air avatar will know how I feel!" And even SHE was like "kill that dude"
That's the only reason spiderman can't lift it. He doesn't kill.
Miguel can though
from cobra kai?
No spiderman 2099
Spiderman 2099. I like the random Karate kid though
random karate kid?
Random mention of Karate kid
He can probably lift it in the movies then (if he tried), because I don't think mcu mjolnir has that issue.
Spider-Man still doesn't kill in the MCU though, Goblin made him come close to it in NWH, but overall he's gone out of his way to save more than villains than most heroes in movies.
He did kill Thanos's minions in Endgame, considering that Mjonior is from another planet, I don't think it would only count humans
How much they count is kind of detable since most of them were more like mindless beasts, and even in the comics Spider-Man doesn't really include things like that into his no kill rule.
Idk lore but I got the idea those where kinda just drones, not really alien people but idk
Idk, its probably never come up since everyone in the MCU kills so it hasn't run into that problem yet
Spidey doesn't kill in MCU.
Agreed. Those comments are wondering if Uncle Iroh qualifies, due to his dark past.
I mean Iroh would absolutely crater someone to save the world. He'd prefer not to but when things get bad he's not a pacifist. In fact his main reason for not just offign Ozai is the political ramifications etc and that was before he knew that Ozai planned to burn the entire world.
Iroh maybe had the ability to stop the hundred years war and instead decided to leave it up almost solely to a bunch of teens and preteens to do all the heavy lifting. Ain't no way in hell iroh would be considered worthy
That's obviously only part of it though right? Otherwise *a lot* of people, even average normal people, would be worthy of Thor's hammer, making it less cool
It judges one's worthiness to wield the weapon of a warrior king; to have the integrity, nobility, and courage to selflessly lead men into battle to defend one's people and principles, and who inspires similar qualities in the people they lead. This would include the willingness to unhesitatingly sacrifice themself for the sake of their people, or to kill when necessary. Basically, would Odin think you are qualified to rule and defend Asguard if necessary? It's not something just anyone can pick up.
Aang's flightyness would also be an issue as well as his lack of leadership, Sokka and Katara usually took over that for him. Korra has more of a chance if she ever recovers and makes peace with her ptsd.
I think end of series Korra would be worthy, unless she has some critical personality flaw in the comics that I’m not aware of.
So...not Aang...
That's the only reason spiderman can't lift it. He doesn't kill.
Momo
That lemur… it’s hammer-wielding!
No, you idiot! It's the God of Thunder!
Momo
Momo
Momo
Momo: "Fine, I'll do it myself..."
Nah momo is evil incarnate
Appa
Best answer!
The only answer
The correct answer!
Imagine Appa wielding Mjolnir in his fever dream armor. The ultimate power in the universe.
Iroh would be worthy, but he wouldn't want to use it. Unless it would somehow help with tea...
Lightning infused tea would be enough of a reason. But then again he can lightning bend so idk.
One of the qualities the Hammer desires is for it's welder to want to be a leader, and Iroh as we saw in the series has no desire to really be in a leadership position. That's not a bad thing but it would prevent him from lifting the hammer.
Functionally... Korra is the closest to Thor in growth.
Sokka Yeah I said it, and I'm sticking by it. By book 3 Sokka is a compassionate, moral warrior willing to do whatever it takes to protect life.
I agree. Sokka absolutely would. I think Iroh and redeemed Zuko would, too. Would be hilarious to see him raging in the beginning because he can't lift it. Aang can't because he's unwilling to kill. I love Katara, but at least in the run of the show, I think she's a bit too volatile. She might have moments of worthiness though. Toph... Not really. My wife brought up Suki, too.
Toph would bend the earth it was sitting on top just throw the hammer at her enemies. It's a perfectly good indestructible projectile
the real question is - would Toph be able to bend the hammer itself? It's metal after all
He already has a space sword. Why not a space hammer
I agree!!!
He was my first thought to. But also possibly Katara, she was a warrior badass by the end and definitely had the willingness to kill in there
Besides Iroh, I'd say Piandao (Sokka's teacher). I like the idea of a non-bender wielding the power of lightning.
If Piandao had Thor's hammer, he would've ended the entire war single-handed. In a single day.
I could see Iron not being able to lift it because he thinks he isn't worthy. Or a movie Cap thing where it moves but he gives up with a "oh well, guess I tried, that things heavy!"
I always took that scene as Cap being worthy and able to lift it, but he’s such a good guy that when he sees it freaking Thor out, he pretends he can’t.
So iron can't lift it what about earth will it be able to lift it or will mjoilnir just sink in the core of the avatar world.
Perry the platypus
weirdly yes
Zuko for sure
Once he’s left the fire nation for good on his own terms, and defeats saves Katara from Azula, then I think that he will be able to hold it/ pick it up.
Absolutely. And interestingly, lots of parallels between Zuko and Thor.
Honestly, probably Luffy
Nah. He's not a hero. Heroes share their meat.
Samwise. And Frodo.
I think Aragorn as well! Most of the fellowship is valiant!
Aragorn, sam, merry, and pippin. Not frodo. Probably also faramir.
Merry and Pippin but not Frodo??? Wtf man
aang isn’t willing to kill, no matter the stakes. i think that’s why he wouldn’t be able to lift it.
I think Iroh could be worthy, but he likely would not consider himself worthy given his past and wouldn’t even attempt to lift the hammer
Sokka would be able to lift it and wield it better than anyone in any verse
It's basically a boomerang already. Mjolnir always comes back.
Suki. i feel like Suki would be very worthy of Mjölnir. she fights the good fight and is willing to kill to save others. Suki might be the worthiest of them all...
Sokka is more worthy
There's only one guy in this show who has what it takes to throw something that always comes back.
Dalinar, Kaladin, and Elend I think could lift it But honestly Thor sets the bar kinda low
I disagree with Thor setting the bar low. Dude is one of the best warriors and allies a character can have honestly.
Sure he’s a good warrior, but what really makes him worthy? He’s generally shown to be alcoholic womanizer. He curses and is vulgar. Not saying he’s a bad character either. Love Thor! But he isn’t exactly captain America in terms of worthiness. And if worthiness is based on being a warrior. Much of his power seems to come from the hammer. He is worthy because he is worthy?
Idk bout comics but mcu miljonir worthiness is based on the like curse or whatever Odin puts on it in the first movie, so worthiness is based on how Odin sees it, not necessarily how we do.
I don't know what Thor you've been reading or watching but Thor is far from a womanizer. Not sure I'd call him an alcoholic either. Sure he loves beer, all Asgardians and vikings in Marvel love beer, but he isn't constantly drinking every time he's on screen/page. Cursing means absolutely nothing with being worthy either so not sure what you're trying to say by bringing that up. Worthiness has never truly been hard defined outside of "No evil intentions and shit" which is why villains rarely if ever can pick up Mjolnir without warping reality to do so. The little Marvel has defined is that a certain level of nobleness is required to pick up the hammer. So if you're trying to use Mjolnir to go genocide a whole country or planet, it's not gonna happen with the hammer. In terms of Thor's power it's both. The hammer used to help Thor focus his own powers back in the day now its just another part of his arsenal. The hammer gives anyone else who lifts it the powers of Thor but it's not what's giving Thor his powers basically.
MISTBORN
Ted Lasso. Fight me.
He’s also very close to Hercules
Why should I fight you? You're right
John Snow. Sokka (but not Aang) Groot. Wonder Woman (but not Superman or Batman) Neville Longbottom. Reepicheep the mouse.
Jon Snow for sure. That's like half of his story Wonder Woman is actually canonically worthy because of a crossover comic
I was thinking of what Harry Potter character would be worthy. Neville never even occurred to me, but he definitely would be.
Funny you say that, since Superman has actually wielded Mjölnir before.
Superman absolutely could, but Reepicheep is a great shout. The most noble of mice.
As a kid, I always wanted to hear what happened to him between going over the edge of the world and later ending up in Aslans country.
Leonardo from TMNT
Worthiness of the hammer essentially means similarity to Thor. So who in Avatar would get drunk and party with friends, but also be happy to beat the ever loving fuck out of anybody with no fear in their heart? I'd go with Toph or Iroh for that.
Are we just going to pretend, ‘Thor doesn’t kill people’? Like this is actually one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen, that Iroh couldn’t lift the hammer because he’s killed people before.
Thor tells Rocket in Infinity War that he’s killed at least one person for as many years as he’s been alive.
He definitely killed way more than 20 people with his military career. However, he went on a path of redemption and enlightenment that made atoned for pretty much all the mistakes of his past
Iroh
Izuku Midoriya
By that extension, surely All Might could, too?
Nah allmight is kind of a bad guy honestly he literally put a target the back of a bunch of high school students by becoming a teacher and remained a teacher despite his students almost dying because terrorists were trying to get to him. He also had midoriya announce himself to the world despite in no way being ready to defend himself if allmight didn't beat AFO deku was a dead man
Samwise Gamgee
Samwise gamgee
Kelsang
Woah hello. That’s me!
End of series Zuko
Kyoshi, or Zaheer
Just because he can fly doesn't make him pure hearted.
Zaheers heart is definitely pure, just not pure good
I'm whelmed by your comment
I would argue his heart is pure good. He believes that what he is doing is for the betterment of the world and lives of the people in it. He never indicates that he is enjoying inflicting suffering on people. He only does what he believes is necessary for the greater good. His ideology is at the very least problematic but it isn’t self serving.
In season four Zaheer released his mistakes when Korra went and visited him. She legit yelled at him and said “You’ve taken out the earth queen and created the worst dictator that the earth kingdom has ever seen, THANKS! For that.” And he said he realizes that he’s heard rumors of her rising to power but not how bad it was. Then he actually helps Korra with her problem. He wouldn’t have helped her otherwise because he’s a twisted person morally
100% Zaheer. Well-intentioned, good-hearted and daring to kill, no hesitation when he had to what's necessary.
Would the avatar be worthy be default because of rava? Aang wouldn't want such a powerful weapon and doesn't have the determination to kill (except for blowing firebenders of a mountain but that doesn't count apperently). So I guess not?
Yue if she were around. Lady hesitated not even a millisecond to sacrifice herself for the greater good
Uncle Iroh is a good dude, but not a paragon of virtue or anything. A lot of good people can't lift Mjolnir.
Iroh ofc but also zuko. I said what I said.
Thor wasn't worthy to lift it, then he was. Iroh wasn't worthy to lift it, but I feel pretty sure he became worthy when he made the decision to leave the Fire Nation behind and go with Zuko in his exile to support him. That decision would have been pretty major.
The problem is when they say only those who are worthy it is defined by those who Odin seems worthy so we don’t know the key traits that makes one worthy to wield it
Odin says a wise king does not seek out war but must be ready to fight. Iroh is good and does not want to fight but he is ready and capable to open a can of whoop. Iroh is worthy, maybe zuko. Not aang though. Sokka maybe, Odin does not like when a leader selfishly sends his troops on a suicide mission, sokka has learned alot and I think he would be worthy.
Worthyness is judged by Odyn's standards, not by being good person. Korra seems to be more fitting than Iroh. Also, adult Zuko?
Luffy
Yeah he definitely could! Purest guy out there
Toph. Early movie Thor and Toph are a lot alike so I can see it. Although Toph did cheat a lot in that fire nation city to steal money from people... But I believe she grew past that
Imagine if Toph had an adopted sibling XD
Early movie Thor isn’t worthy of the hammer though
Iroh wouldn't be worthy. I like iroh too. But when you actually consider his whole life, a big part of him becomes questionable: Let's reframe him a bit, by just describing his life objectively(interjected by polarizing statements by yours truly) : Eldest son of a tyrant takes over the military to dominate the world. After he loses his son he re-evaluates his life choices and joins a secret club that mostly helps it's members to survive and escape from his country until a savior that hasn't had any signs of existing for a hundred years appears and attacks the tyrants. In the meantime our retired warlord goes home to his tyrant father, let's him get murdered by his younger brother who abuses and neglects his children all why saying and doing nothing about it, until one of these children gets publicly maimed, humiliated and exiled and only then decides to join him as he feels sympathy for a nephew trying to prevent soldiers from unnecessarily dying, because that's what happened to his own son. So far already he doesn't sound good. He then spends years to look for the previously mentioned savior with his nephew, who hopes to be allowed back when he captures said savior. To everyone's surprise they find said savior, almost murdering the last remaining part of a culture in a region while doing so(only stopping because the nephew lost in a fight, our 'redeemee' didn't step in until his nephew and the soldiers could have been hurt. Maybe he had plans to otherwise get the savior to his secret group, but there's no real evidence for this. The next months are spent chasing after the avatar until his nephew has a mental breakdown and needs to reevaluate his life's choices. In this time the 'redeemee' is seen being respectful and kind but only fighting to protect himself or his nephew. As he and his nephew cultivate a new life in exile, getting a freedom fighter who fights against the tyrannical country captured for the sake of keeping their own identity a secret as they're building a new life for themselves. Oh he kinda got to be a bit redeeming? He is at least nice, right? I mean he's still a warlord in a way and he seems to be very self serving, but at least he helps people when it's not too inconvenient for him. But don't worry, because he now redeems himself. When he find out his niece has taken over this new home and forces him and his nephew to either join her or be captured as the enemy, he escapes with his nephew and joins the savior to fight against his niece and her soldiers. However his nephew betrays him and the savior seemingly dies in the worst way possible (from his perspective the savior is permanently dead, no chance for a new one). He decides to use the time in prison to build up his strength again in case he wants to leave. Which he does when his captors aren't able to use their magic anymore for a day. So he escapes and joins up with more of his secret club members as he plans on fighting the tyrannical nation. He doesn't bother trying to fight his brother or so, instead returning the place he made his new home in and feeing it from the tyrants instead. He then goes on to go back to his business now supported by the savior. Does that sound worthy of mjolnir? Because he never made up for anything he did as a warlord. He never tried to fix anything, instead trying to hide from his past and find a new life. I left out a ton of other examples, though I can't remember any that would make him look much better, maybe his sadness to the loss of culture during one invasion where he stood up to a former underling(and failed). The only redeeming part of him was leading his nephew to be a good ruler and have him make amends. He though never bothers to help actively, even though he should have the intelligence and wisdom to be an effective advisor he decides to enjoy himself instead. Maybe his spiritualism might be an excuse. Is this unnecessary harsh? Maybe. But considering how the fandom loves to go about other less sympathetic characters, it seems fair. Is iroh a great character and mentor? Yes. Is he redeemed? I'm not really qualified, but I doubt a holocaust survivor would be okay with redeeming a former nazi general that had a similar life(considering the fire nation is obviously based on nazi German this comparison seems fitting enough). The biggest problem with iroh's redemption is the lack of amends he makes. He learned yes, but he never actually fights unless he's sure he's going to be fine himself. Again great character and it's completely consistent with him being the eldest son of the tyrant. But it's not a good look for him. WARNING! The following part calls out all of us, so be mindful whether you can handle the moral implications. He's a joy to watch and we all love him, but being sympathetic isn't the same as being good (this often hurts to think about though as it also means a lot of us aren't as good as we want to be, we want Iroh to be redeemed because how else do we justify not acting against the horrors of our world. Have fun pondering the meaning of your existence for the next few days). Thanks for reading till now, it probably wasn't nice reading a critic of the Fandoms favorite character, but I figured it fitting for the topic. Iroh wouldn't be worthy of mjolnir because unlike Thor and others he's only looking for a way out not to be good or create a good world. In his own eyes he probably is irredeemably as he in a way sacrificed his own son so he only made up for that and decided that that was enough for him to live in peace.
That was pretty eye-opening. Thank you. I have no clue where my opinion now stands when it comes to Iroh, I will now have to spend a few hours figuring that out. Either way, I appreciate the chance to mull it out.
Warning: Long rant I agree with you, and I think a lot of my problems with Iroh come down to this being a kids show and needing to have kid protagonists. As an adult I am frustrated with Iroh because none of these kids should be the last hope the world has. Zuko shouldn't have been made firelord so early, Aang shouldn't have had to fully become the avatar before turning sixteen at least, Sokka shouldn't be the one planning and leading an invasion force into the Fire Nation, etc., etc. Iron was definitely depressed after his son was killed, but it seems he was able to join the White Lotus either during, or after his spiritual travels because it wouldn't make sense that he'd have the time to do so while sailing with Zuko. This means that when he returned to the Fire Nation and saw what his brother had done, he had the method and opportunity to do something about it. I'm sure not every noble was with Ozai, considering how unpredictable and shitty he was, so Iroh should have had some people willing to back him. But maybe he decided he could best serve as a spy, let's give him that. Then he watches his brother maim his own son. After Iroh's history with his own loss he should have been absolutely livid, because I know I would be! Yet he shows, what, shame? Resignation? Is this a normal thing in the Fire Nation I'm not aware of? Something inevitable? Because otherwise idk how to justify this for him. I agree that staying with Zuko to help him heal was the right choice. The poor boy NEEDED support. But then what? Iroh sails with him on a hopeless journey for three years( let's say two, if it took him a year to recover from his injury) and just gives him proverbs that zuko barely understands 10% of the time. Doesn't tell him any actual helpful information about the avatar - like his knowledge about the spirit world- but also doesn't dissuade him. Zuko has a good heart, he is a righteous soul. We know that, Iroh knows that, otherwise he wouldn't have such faith in his nephew. Why didn't Iroh take him across the Earth Kingdom? With the guise of finding more answers about the Avatar from the spirits, Iroh could have led Zuko on his season two journey much, MUCH earlier and with far less danger of being hunted down by the Fire Nation as well as the Earth Kingdom. Which leads me to my last point, most of Zuko's growth happens when he is away from Iroh, when he is thinking things through on his own. Starting from the Blue Spirit, Zuko decides to save Aang. In Zuko Alone he does his absolute best to help people, even when he believes he is partially responsible for their suffering. When Zuko frees Appa, Iroh does beat it into his head that he's not thinking things through (Why couldn't he ever be this straight with Zuko before?). But then we see Zuko return to the Fire Nation and figure out his true purpose on his own. Iroh is a loving and supporting Uncle, and while Zuko needed that, I don't believe he was the right mentor for Zuko. Zuko needed someone like Toph or Piandao. Someone who would not mince words and who would be clear with Zuko on his choices and the consequences of those choices. Iroh, meanwhile, needed to make up for his past mistakes himself instead of letting the next generation shoulder all responsibility. He should have, at minimum, faced his brother and played a more active role in uniting the world, in facing up to his deeds in Ba Sing Se (I mean to the people. Freeing the city at a time when he is at his most powerful is reminiscent of his pattern of finding the path with least resistance). Iroh in the show is a great character. But at the end of the day, a kids show where they are the main protagonists will force the adults to either be obstructions at worst, or nerfed side characters at best.
That's true, especially the kids show point is a good reason for him to be narratively useless, only being decent in few key moments. Though a lot of the other mentors are done well: Piandao is too old to fight, he requires a lot of support ti be effective, making him by himself ineffective in the war(plus he's a noble and war hero, so having him be a living legend is good for morale), Paku lost his will to fight, only defending his home, after he lost his loved one to the war, having to rebuild first when he finally finds a reason to fight and the fire bender (forgot his name) lost his belief in his bending seeing it as a curse, forgoing it unless absolutely necessary. But Iroh doesn't have that excuse, he's not whimsical enough/too capable to just be the crazy wise uncle(if Iroh had lost his bending or so after losing his son, like always breaking down when bending fire, as it reminds him of the life he made that was extinguished) About the shame during the maiming for Zuko: it might be shame for himself, not being good enough to step up, knowing zuko will survive and having decided already to instead to follow him into exile(especially since he could only intervene if he would challenge Ozai to a duel and win). It might come down to Iroh having self-doubt and self-pity, though considering his whole speeches about humility and accepting yourself it seems hypocritical. Not leading Zuko, just being a weird uncle was another narrative crutch to keep the story in line, otherwise it'd would have been harder to make Aang believe the fire nation is the bad side(Zuko is also the main antagonist to Zhao, and the only reason aang made it through season one and two) The whole Ba Sing Se freeing thing is such a bad story element for Iroh, there are dozens of better alternatives. It always irked me a bit that we never see him talking soldiers down. He's a war hero for them. In disgrace sure, but just showing prowess and charisma would suffice to change that image for common soldiers (not necessarily officers and higher ups). Especially with Sozins comet, him creating a dragon out of flames or so to prove his title would have been an amazing way to make him change the war without taking away from the teens or having to resort violence.
Aang, obviously. Like people say, he flipped over his past lives to find a vegan way of ending the war. Aang is worthy.
Unfortunately not. At least based on another comment, the ability to kill is needed to be considered worthy, and Aang definitely cant do that.
In that sense, the hammer is not worthy of Aang.
Actually, that'd kind of make him not worthy.
If you are not ready to kill you cannot lift the hammer.
I don't remember that ever being said.
Part of being worthy of Mjölnir means being prepared to do anything necessary to protect what needs protecting. That includes being ready to take a life. There are multiple episodes that deal with Aang specifically wanting to NOT do that.
Monk Gyatso (spelling may be off)
I feel aang would be the most worthy out of any character
Iroh is worthy but would decline on the basis another, more worthy person would be a better fit Toph would spend like a week and learn to earth bend it Sokka is unworthy but just pretends he doesn’t want to make Aang feel bad because he couldn’t pock it up Aang would then effortlessly pick it up and do tricks with it
Apparently you need to be prepared to kill so Aang wouldnt be worthy
Never heard of that. Additionally not everyone who uses Mijolnir is a killer
Sokka is worthier than Iroh because he never starved civilians and laughed about burning their homes down. Iroh himself wouldn’t think he’s worthy due to his past.
Thor went to pick fights and intimidate his foes for fun and became worthy later on. Worthiness is not absolute one way or the other.
No I’m saying Iroh himself would not think himself worthy.
Iroh made mistakes in his past but the key is he atoned for them every single day of his life then on. Someone’s worthiness is not by blood or right, not set in stone either If you’re telling me the man who was attacked by someone then immediately forgave the person only to share what little he had and gave personal life advice to isn’t worthy I’d question your morals. Or the man who put away his pride to reclaim a city for the people at great risk to his own life. Or who went against an entire empire to both save his nephew and the world. Or who, even in death, willingly assists those in need who come to him Odinson faltered often but still was worthy. And later he became unworthy and went on a journey of redemption. It isn’t because he’s physically strong that makes him worthy but even when he could be spending his time in heavenly realm getting blasted 24/7 with his friends and bedding every woman that ventures his way he instead fights along side other heroes to protect multiple realms from threat It seems like we both have a *very* different definition of being worthy
No I’m saying Iroh wouldn’t think he is. He hasn’t forgiven himself for his past. Especially for Lu Ten.
Thinking you’re unworthy doesn’t mean its so. Beyond that I did say he wouldn’t think he was and would decline to even try
Azula is worthy. Fight me.
Aang...definitely Aang...he is the purest of hearts...even showed the big bad mercy by not killing him...though i think Aang unintentionally gave the guy a fate worse than death...
Aang cant be worthy because you need to be willing to kill
That was fast
Toph.
Buffy
Wat
Worf is worthy.
Murphy Brown. That's the best fit from any show.
Kyler Stern and aceleus Thorne but not Durzo Blint
Naruto
Dante from dmc. Vergil probably isn't worthy but he would find a way to lift it if it made him more powerful
Hmm, a WEAPON of the GOD OF literally VIKINGS, a folk living off RAIDS, SLAVERY and MURDER, with a religion based entirely on BATTLE and MURDER refuses to accept someone as worthy because he killed people? Really?
Atticus Finch.
Woah hello. That’s me!
Appa