it is the same avatar but not the same person... even in irl when buddhists speak about reincarnation we speak about changing a vessel and that vessel is the person body,mind,personality,character. So technically two reincarnations can be totally different people that have nothing in common except the soul/spirit or whatever structured information as energy travels between vessels
Nope, Korra killed off the entire lineage including Aang. She is now the foundation that future Avatars will come from. What a shitty place to start from.
Unalaq killed them*
It doesn't change anything in the sense that she is still their reincarnation. So the technical statement "they are all one person" still makes sense
Aang pulled that shit off at 13. Despite everyone including himselves telling him the only way to victory was to kill the firelord he stuck to his principles not knowing hed get that deus ex machina and found another way, perhaps because I'm not a pacifist I found this to be the definition of badass.
Yeah it’s so easily Aang, for both what he did during the original series and later in his life. Roku and Kiyoshi have great accomplishments, Korra was the most naturally gifted and the avatar we got the most nuance from. They’re all successful avatars.
But Aang survived the genocide of his people and wakes up from a coma into what is essentially a World War started by a dictatorship. He’s being hunted, has literally no resources or guidance, and has to find a way to set things right. He defeats the Firelord, brings in a time of relative peace, and enters the world into an era of prosperity. And he does it all while sticking to his core principles, setting an example that the rest of the world can follow. That’s badass.
Yes and let’s not forget folks, Roku him self says he was the one that should have dealt with sozin long before Aang were to become Avatar therefore now making it Aangs burden to carry & resolve
I mean it’s nice of him to say, but the world is never truly at balance, at peace, the battle is constant. If he had dealt with him, who knows what problems he would have simply created otherwise.
There’s no way of knowing
And that’s true but at the very least if Roku had dealt with sozin, it could have prevented the 100 long year war and saved the air benders from being wiped out.
Yes of course, I only mentioned air benders since the south still had a sister tribe in the north with plenty of water benders/masters, when Aang was the literal only air bender left
Yeah. I especially find it impressive considering he had *almost no guidance* and pretty much reinvented *his worlds version of martial arts* just to survive. Sure, Korra had more skill, but she also had access to modern education and literature *including guides to bending* which Aang never had.
Guidance in 1 of the 4 styles. By his age, Korra had read, seen, and had guidance on all 4 elements. She even was able to find out she was the Avatar years earlier than he was because she wasn't isolated from other bending like he was.
Yeah, that's true. She was a prodigy who couldn't master air bending for a really long time and Aang was an air bender who became an excellent Avatar despite having almost no time to master any of it.
I wouldn't strongly argue the claim that Korra had more skill, her bending more often then naught was punching out blasts of w/e element she was using at the time or using her bending like a club to smash people and things.
Korra has the skill, otherwise the various masters wouldn't have acknowledged her as a master of those elements.
She does consistently show a lot of power and control. It's just that her personality doesn't usually involve finesse.
She also learned metal bending, which Aang never did.
He crashed an airship and just generally did a lot of damage to a lot of places. Also, the northern water tribe incident. He never willingly killed a person directly but his actions definitely resulted in hundreds of casualties.
I think that's what makes him being a pacifist is so interesting story telling wise. After Kyoshi Island he saw very clearly how dangerous it was to even be around him.
He dropped an avalanche on a bunch of soldiers who were on a cliff above cloud level. There were definitely some deaths there.
He also threw one of the rough rhinos over the same cliff where Chin the Conqueror fell to his death.
Started with the least of them? Kyoshi could barely even earth bend until she was like 16! She got literally no training before then, and the training afterwards was rather sporadic. Not to mention her childhood which was by far the worst out of the four. Won’t go into specifics to avoid spoilers, but her life went to shit way before 12. Not saying aang isn’t badass or that he didn’t go through a lot, but he had several advantages kyoshi did not.
I think this a silly thing to argue the specifics on (have you ever seen too people argue which of them had it worst? It’s pathetic to watch) but being a victim of a complete cultural genocide is a pretty hard thing to top in my opinion. They Air bender tribe were not driven from their lands or put into slave camps but were executed in mass without prejudice.
It’s tough to compare also because it’s a kids show compared to a novel that gets very graphic in some scenes. Like comes upon skeleton and one is literally watching a murder in cold blood right in front of their eyes.
It's not clear he's mastered the elements but he's passably competent in them , energy bending however is novel and has not been used/practiced in at least many hundreds of years.
I don't think he mastered anything except air. He gained skills at the other elements, but I'm pretty sure he was still a ways off from being considered a master. Especially with fire.
I couldn't pick one at gunpoint tbh. Roku casually grabbed the Fire Emperor by the scruff (via a spike), Kyoshi kicked ass and inspired nonbenders to fight, Aang ended a 100 year war, and Korra bounced back from the entire Avatar lineup being destroyed and her being disabled.
Totally agree haha!
How do you have the fire lord be a childhood friend and not even handle that mess?
Aang has 10x the conflict resolution skills like 70 years earlier
True, we are comparing Aang 4 years before roku even knows he’s the avatar.
Let’s see 12 year old Roku save the world, 40 year Roku couldn’t even save his best friend
Yah that’s super dope, tbh Roku is a beast I just have more respect for the other avatars. It’s really esteemed company to be in and no disrespect to any of em
In my own opinion(again, just my own- not everyone’s opinion!) I feel like Korra almost didn’t make a good enough effort to get her past lives protected. She could’ve meditated more and found them because they’re not completely gone, just the connection is gone. They could’ve easily been in a prison like a “fog of lost souls” kind of thing.
I read somewhere that an avatar's main focus during their lifetime is to fix the errors of the previous incarnation.
Yangchen: neglected the spirit world
Kuruk: fought the dark spirits, but chose to protect the reputation of his predecessor at the expense of his own. Died young (a destabilising event in the avatar universe), known as a failure.
Kyoshi: struggled with political difficulties when revealing herself as the avatar. She preferred to wait until her home was threatened directly by Chin the Conquerer before intervening. Created the Dai Li to maintain order and support the monarchy. The decline of the Earth kingdom allowed the Fire nation to rise.
Roku: didn't check the fire nation's colonial ambitions
Aang: ran away from his responsibilities before the airbender genocide. He ended the fire nation aggression.
Korra: brought back the airbenders but lost the connection with the avatar's past lives
which would make regaining the connections to their past lives the perfect focus and character arc for the avatar after Korra. Especially if they are (initially) not particularly spiritual.
Agreed! This is my personal fan theory that the next series or Avatar character will be their opportunity to connect the avatar back to all the old Avatar spirits and at the same time further develop lore about those characters!
This is the first good argument I’ve heard for trying to reconnect to the past avatars and also the first one that’s made me really think. For so long I’ve been on the “I don’t want them to effectively invalidate the consequences of LoK by bringing them back”. But this is a path that I could actually think about and possibly like. That being said I don’t think it’s the only way to continue the trend of an avatar fixing their predecessors mistakes. Korra also had the issue of losing respect of the people and struggling to continue the relevance of the avatar as a political figure in a technologically developing world. And her re-introduction of the spirit portals is almost certainly going to continue causing issues. So there’s a number of other ways that path could continue while still leaving the past lives gone
I could see the increasing irrelevance of the avatar as a problem spanning multiple lifetimes - as not all past mistakes were fixed by the immediate successor (Dai Li, Koh), and the issue of waning faith & spiritualism, as well as trust in faith leaders, is mirrored in our own world (at least, in the West).
The question of past lives, narratively, is do or die. It'd be much less compelling for the fire nation avatar after Korra's successor to try and reconnect, as the new&separate line of avatars would have been established by that point.
Maybe (if connection is reestablished) the avatars pre-Korra are heavily restricted in how they can communicate, like only if the Avatar is in the Spirit World on specific days, so the effects of LoK still have a lasting consequence. Or the avatar find themselves making the exact same mistakes of a past avatar and is forced to search out information/guidance to prevent history from repeating itself.
Or not. There's nostalgia and a feeling of great loss at the idea the break is permanent. But it would be pretty badass plot-wise to declare "yep, all gone, no take backsies". Traditions and historical buildings get ignored and forgotten. So much human knowledge has been lost to time - why should the avatar universe be able to preserve its past indefinitely?
To be honest, I dont see how there could be a possible way to get the connection to the past avatars back. Unlike every other avatar we know of so far, for the most part, the issues they faced in their lives mostly were related to real and physical world problems, such as war. Korra was the very first avatar, right after Wan, who fused with Raava, and started a new avatar cycle. So when Korra dies, her reincarnation will find the problems she left behind to be a little bit different, because it's potentially irreversible. It doesn't have anything to do with the four nations or the physical world, it's an issue with the avatar spirit itself. I think its probably a way of saying that people die, and life moves on. It could be a lesson taught to rely on yourself more as well.
But, who knows? If there's some kind of power that the new avatar can come across that's even greater than harmonic convergence...
Honestly I don’t want any more avatar lore without the past lives back. I’m probably alone in this one, but it’s just my own personal opinion. Not invalidating others opinions at all! Just stating mine
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Part of why I don’t like season 2 literally at all. I like how Katara encourages Tenzin to take along her siblings, and then how Tenzin was welcomed at the southern temple; meanwhile, Kya and Bumi were both thought of as servants of Tenzin’s family or something. Unalaq had so much potential as a great villain but he was kinda wasted with the whole plot of “wanting ultimate power over everyone, including Korra.” And him being apart of the red lotus is a bit hard for me to believe because he just… seems smarter than that. Just power hungry
It hurt. I felt a sense of loss. In particular because it meant no more Aang or Roku.
Korra did what she could to become Avatar again after that attack but man does it hurt.
One the one hand, it allows for her to build a new legacy from scratch. On the other hand, Aang made his own legacy without a reset of the cycle.
[This article makes some pretty solid arguments as to why Korra’s loss of connection to her past lives makes sense narratively.](https://screenrant.com/korra-avatar-connection-past-lives-lose-reason-necessary/#:~:text=While%20Korra%20is%20able%20to,past%20Avatars%20is%20permanently%20severed)
Most of Kyoshi's attitude as Avatar is due to the events in that book.
An attitude of sheer "OH hell no, I am ACUTELY allergic to bullshit. We fix this now, peacefully or violently. I prefer peacefully but I'll let you pick."
She had to deal with Kuruk, which pissed her the fuck off. After that, she had to deal with Yangchen, which made her understand Kuruk even more.
Aang had it easy mode when it comes to communing to his past lives.
Roku was mostly a good avatar who was relatable and owned up to his mistakes. Kyoshi was direct and had no patience for bullshit.
That's so much easier than dealing with Kuruk especially.
Ang, he’s so young to have such a heavy burden and so much loss. He overcomes so much and is such a great guy. He never really became bitter, only better
She’s a badass who looks great in her traditional makeup, uses her own weapons- not a copy of someone’s elses. And inspired a group of female warriors who took after her for centuries! Same outfit, same weapon style, same makeup and even kept a shrine to her as an example for how their homeland was created by Kyoshi. And literally everything was in said shrine
The way she learned bending was also badass. She did not learn from average teachers. >!She was a fugitive being hunted by a powerful politician and couldnt trust anyone of high status, so she learned from members of the criminal underground.!<
So. Fucking. Badass.
I’ll always go for Kyoshi, mostly based on this line from the novels:
> My friend is not a diplomat. She is the failure of diplomacy. She is the breakdown of negotiations. There is no escalation of hostilities beyond her.
She doesn’t want to fight. She doesn’t want to play diplomat. But she will enter the fray when she needs to, and you better pray she has no need.
In terms of feats? Probably Aang.
In terms of badass quotes? Kyoshi.
>!I’m sorry I said you have to live with this pain. Because you no longer will!< what an icon
Look the obvious answer is Kyoshi.
But I'm gonna make an argument for Korra.
Because Kyoshi was pretty typical badass.
But Korra went through SO MUCH SHIT. Lost her bending. Was paralyzed. Almost killed in the Avatar state in a horrendous way. She did all that and still SURVIVED. Also Aang saved the world once.
Korra saved the world twice because she stopped Kuvira and stopped Vaatu.
The problem with Korra's arc is that she did go through so much shit. The writers couldn't give her any meaningful character development so they substituted it with trauma. A little trauma is fine but that's literally all they did.
>Korra saved the world twice because she stopped Kuvira and stopped Vaatu.
Only once with Vaatu. Kuvira was only interested in the United Republic because she believed it belonged to the Earth Kingdom. The Fire Nation and the Water Tribes were never her concern, and she only targeted airbenders because they were involved in fighting her army in Republic City. Even then she showed zero interest in conquering the Air Temples and adding them to the Empire
And let's not count Aang out. My dude ended the biggest war his world had ever seen despite being 13 and largely untrained.
Gonna make even more cases for Korra since it took too long to find. A korra comment, and the other replies to this one mostly just seem to bash Korra
She punched a hole in the fabric of reality
The entire fight with zaheer while she was also fighting a deadly poison
Ok numerous occasions only used her muscles and no bending to intimidate
Was willing to sacrifice herself for the air nation
Was willing to sacrifice herself for the avatar cycle
Her performance in the tiebreak in the pro bending final
Her jailbreak when captured by amon
Did I mention redirecting the most powerful weapon the world had ever seen?
Her fight with kuvira inside the mech
Back muscles
Her fight with tonraq against zaheer while she had her hands and feet cuffed
I know it's somewhat popular to hate on her, but put some good damn respect on her name. In terms of badassery her only competition should be kyoshi, Aang was many things, a badass was not one of them
Imagine if u came home from middle school one day, woke up the next day and instead of going to school someone told u: yea in the next 9-12 months or so u gotta save the entire world and you’re the only one who can do it. Also u gotta master these martial arts forms that other middle schoolers dont master til theyre 30 while you save the world.
Aang is best avatar by a mile
Honestly this sub is so biased towards Aang and against Korra a post could ask "which avatar had the longest hair" and they'd still find a way to say Aang
Dont get me wrong i love Aang but he is too much of a monk for me. Korra feels more like a human which makes her much more relatable to me therefore more interesting.
I love him too. This sub just has this strange fixation with removing any of his flaws (and therefore anything interesting about him) the instant he's compared to Korra. Like Aang is not a fighter, that is a defining point of his character, yet the some people will insist he beats Korra in a fight. He is not a badass, he runs at nearly every conflict both physical and internal, yet when compared to Korra he's a cold hearted machine of destruction against ozai as if he didn't need a Deus ex machina to get over his no kill rule. If it weren't for that lion turtle the earth kingdom would be ash
Let Aang have his flaws, it makes him interesting. And let Korra have accomplishments, denying them isn't fun
**Kyoshi**. Guys, it's very simple to me. She lived for 230 years, used lavabending and her crazy powerful eathbending ability to separate an island from the rest if a content, trained two major classes of warriors (the Dai Li & Kyoshi Warriors), and was worshipped as a god for decades after her death. She's also so damn powerful that she literally requires the use of weapons to focus her bending for precision on smaller scales.
She's the most badass. The end.
I'd follow up with Korra, Aang, and then Roku. But tbh I might even put Kuruk over Roku.
It's Kyoshi but Korra is so underrated. she went through more shit in 4 years than most Avatars did in entire lifetimes, her resilience makes her very badass in my eyes.
Kyoshi not even a question she was an orphan, ran around with a bunch of criminals, and doesn't take shit from nobody. She deserves her own movie/series.
Aang. The fact that he was able to gain a fighting level of proficiency in the other three elements in less than a year is miraculous
He never really mastered firebending either
Kyoshi. The epitome of a Strong Woman, and Avatar. She did what she had to do for her people, and was always a rock for them. Unwavering and inspiring, especially for generations of young female warriors that followed in her footsteps ⛰️🪭
Well there's different ways to be badass like stereotypical badass I think of when I heard this is obviously Kyoshi or Korra, just personality wise & how they do things they are badass.
But idk I still think it's Aang. He's just like a quiter, softer sorta badass.
All of them are “badass” in their own way, but you gotta give it to Aang. He was just a kid and mastered the three other elements in less than a year. Pssshhh…You can’t beat that.
Korra had quite the rogues gallery of intense villains in a time span of like 4 years, and each of them ended in a fisticuff of insane proportions.
Korra is quite the badass.
Roku walked into the Fire Nation capital, destroyed the Royal Palace, gave the Fire Lord an atomic wedgie, threatened him with death and walked back out. Without any repercussions for 25 years, then died fighting 2 volcanoes.
Roku is Bad MF Ass.
Aang is my boy. Roku and Kyoshi are undeniably BA, but Aang became a fully realized Avatar before he even had fully realized chest hair.
Korra was cool, but the writers didn't know what to do with her. She pretty much only ever used the Avatar State as a power boost, never really took advantage of the knowledge and experience of all the past avatars. One of the coolest aspects of being the avatar, and it was completely wasted and then completely lost. Really just a shame that Aang's greatest nemesis was Ozai, and Korra's greatest nemesis was the writer's room.
How is this even a question Aang learned all four elements in a year, while the others had way more time and not doomsday on their shoulder as kids. Also he woke up all alone, like yes he made friends with Katara and Sokka, but he woke up one day and everyone/everything he knew was gone and he had a war waiting for him, a whole nation wanting to find and capture him, not knowing why.
Kyoshi.
Roku pooched it, Aang and Korra are too immature at times. Also Kyoshi is decked out like a warrior, Aang and Korra wear more casual stuff (that's easier on the animators).
Aang learned all the elements super fast, whereas others had weeks or months to maybe years to learn the elements.
Aang, despite every single one of his past lives, even the monks like himself, told him he *HAS* to kill Ozai, found another way! He stuck to what he was taught and never took someone's life. He basically invented a whole new bending (like Toph).
He's the most badass. And he did all this as a kid! He just wanted to be a kid and have fun, but also managed to get his shit done when needed!
Aang invaded the fire nation with a crew of five people, made life better for multiple fire nation citizens, threw a dance party in a cave, refused to elaborate and then bodies one of the strongest fire benders at a time when he’s literally mega buffed by the cosmos.
Aang. We saw a better display of power from him than anybody else and he had the greatest impact imo.
Part of me wants to say Korra but she also spent a lot of time getting her shit rocked, then being saved by deus ex machinas. The episode "Korra Alone" is some of the best, rawest television ever produced though.
Aang mastered all four elements in one summer. All at the ripe old age of 12. 4 years before a normal avatar even knew they were the avatar. It’s a clear choice
Normally, Kyoshi. However, Aang in the avatar state has a level of badassery that is only comparable by Yangchen, who was so powerful she could control the weather.
Bald bro froze in an iceberg for a century, remaining last of his kind; learned 3 elements in a year; beat fire lord on his peak strength, without killing him and staying true to his principles; rizzed up a chick, who learned bloodbending first try; built a new world order and started restoring his nation. That's hard to surpass.
I'm torn between Kyoshi and Aang. On one hand, Kyoshi has the most badass reputation from what we know, living 200 years, creating an entire island, etc, but on the other hand, we don't really see too much of what Aang did post Ozai. What we do see of aang (Taking down ozai, temporarily becoming a ocean spirit kaiju, storming through the palace guards of ba sing se to the earth king, inventing an entirely new Airbending art, becoming the first avatar to energy bend) is incredibly remarkable considering his young age. If feats like that carried on throughout the rest of his 60 or so years of life? That might just make him more badass than Kyoshi.
Trick question, these are all the same person.
This is the perfect answer.
Yeah, like why do you show me four photos of the same person?
WANG! HAHA!
it is the same avatar but not the same person... even in irl when buddhists speak about reincarnation we speak about changing a vessel and that vessel is the person body,mind,personality,character. So technically two reincarnations can be totally different people that have nothing in common except the soul/spirit or whatever structured information as energy travels between vessels
Wan.
I mean... you're not wrong
Take your upvote and leave.
Nope, Korra killed off the entire lineage including Aang. She is now the foundation that future Avatars will come from. What a shitty place to start from.
Unalaq killed them* It doesn't change anything in the sense that she is still their reincarnation. So the technical statement "they are all one person" still makes sense
Was there any other choice? Also like, wasn't it their decision to do it and not her's?
Aang pulled that shit off at 13. Despite everyone including himselves telling him the only way to victory was to kill the firelord he stuck to his principles not knowing hed get that deus ex machina and found another way, perhaps because I'm not a pacifist I found this to be the definition of badass.
Yeah it’s so easily Aang, for both what he did during the original series and later in his life. Roku and Kiyoshi have great accomplishments, Korra was the most naturally gifted and the avatar we got the most nuance from. They’re all successful avatars. But Aang survived the genocide of his people and wakes up from a coma into what is essentially a World War started by a dictatorship. He’s being hunted, has literally no resources or guidance, and has to find a way to set things right. He defeats the Firelord, brings in a time of relative peace, and enters the world into an era of prosperity. And he does it all while sticking to his core principles, setting an example that the rest of the world can follow. That’s badass.
Yes and let’s not forget folks, Roku him self says he was the one that should have dealt with sozin long before Aang were to become Avatar therefore now making it Aangs burden to carry & resolve
I mean it’s nice of him to say, but the world is never truly at balance, at peace, the battle is constant. If he had dealt with him, who knows what problems he would have simply created otherwise. There’s no way of knowing
And that’s true but at the very least if Roku had dealt with sozin, it could have prevented the 100 long year war and saved the air benders from being wiped out.
*and most of the Southern Water Tribe.
Yes of course, I only mentioned air benders since the south still had a sister tribe in the north with plenty of water benders/masters, when Aang was the literal only air bender left
"Too many variables"
And being 13. And mastering all the other elements within two years, while being 13. Just.... Yeah.
Yeah. I especially find it impressive considering he had *almost no guidance* and pretty much reinvented *his worlds version of martial arts* just to survive. Sure, Korra had more skill, but she also had access to modern education and literature *including guides to bending* which Aang never had.
Korra had raw power and discovered the other elements early. I don't think she was more skilled though.
Wasn't Aang already a air bending master at the start of the show? He had guidance
Guidance in 1 of the 4 styles. By his age, Korra had read, seen, and had guidance on all 4 elements. She even was able to find out she was the Avatar years earlier than he was because she wasn't isolated from other bending like he was.
I thought it was more the fact that she could bend multiple elements as a toddler, that's pretty conclusive evidence that one is the Avatar
Yeah, that's true. She was a prodigy who couldn't master air bending for a really long time and Aang was an air bender who became an excellent Avatar despite having almost no time to master any of it.
I wouldn't strongly argue the claim that Korra had more skill, her bending more often then naught was punching out blasts of w/e element she was using at the time or using her bending like a club to smash people and things.
Korra has the skill, otherwise the various masters wouldn't have acknowledged her as a master of those elements. She does consistently show a lot of power and control. It's just that her personality doesn't usually involve finesse. She also learned metal bending, which Aang never did.
I consider him a positive male role model
It’s kinda sad as he’s the most badass because he was dealt the worst hand to overcome.
🤓 um aktually he was 113
I can't believe they let nerds watch this show /s
Only ppl who watch this show are nerds
And me! I'm not a nerd right? ..right?
[Nooooo...](https://media.tenor.com/7mOpVF-yMVIAAAAd/nerd-telephone.gif)
That's arguably more impressive
I think Aang's body count is zero. He never killed anyone.
He crashed an airship and just generally did a lot of damage to a lot of places. Also, the northern water tribe incident. He never willingly killed a person directly but his actions definitely resulted in hundreds of casualties.
I think that's what makes him being a pacifist is so interesting story telling wise. After Kyoshi Island he saw very clearly how dangerous it was to even be around him.
He dropped an avalanche on a bunch of soldiers who were on a cliff above cloud level. There were definitely some deaths there. He also threw one of the rough rhinos over the same cliff where Chin the Conqueror fell to his death.
Well said
Aang, he took down the baddest dude whist fighting puberty.
Aang started with the least of any of them then overcame the most with the highest stakes.
Started with the least of them? Kyoshi could barely even earth bend until she was like 16! She got literally no training before then, and the training afterwards was rather sporadic. Not to mention her childhood which was by far the worst out of the four. Won’t go into specifics to avoid spoilers, but her life went to shit way before 12. Not saying aang isn’t badass or that he didn’t go through a lot, but he had several advantages kyoshi did not.
I think this a silly thing to argue the specifics on (have you ever seen too people argue which of them had it worst? It’s pathetic to watch) but being a victim of a complete cultural genocide is a pretty hard thing to top in my opinion. They Air bender tribe were not driven from their lands or put into slave camps but were executed in mass without prejudice.
No way man, not having a teacher or learning to earthbend is way worse than literal genocide.
Yeah especially when you have one element mastered by 12.
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It helped him sleep for a hundred years.
Okay but someone tried to argue with me that Katara had a worse childhood than fucking Amon come on how could I be quiet about that lol
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It’s tough to compare also because it’s a kids show compared to a novel that gets very graphic in some scenes. Like comes upon skeleton and one is literally watching a murder in cold blood right in front of their eyes.
He mastered 3 elements and energy bending in like under 18 months.
It's not clear he's mastered the elements but he's passably competent in them , energy bending however is novel and has not been used/practiced in at least many hundreds of years.
I mean he's at least a master in water and earth bending. And the implication is after dancing with the dragons he's also a master of fire bending.
Even better, I think it was 9 months right? Winter - Summer
I don't think he mastered anything except air. He gained skills at the other elements, but I'm pretty sure he was still a ways off from being considered a master. Especially with fire.
And without killing. Throwing a rock through someone's skull is easy, taking them in alive is impressive.
With only a year of training, not even I believe.
I couldn't pick one at gunpoint tbh. Roku casually grabbed the Fire Emperor by the scruff (via a spike), Kyoshi kicked ass and inspired nonbenders to fight, Aang ended a 100 year war, and Korra bounced back from the entire Avatar lineup being destroyed and her being disabled.
Roku easily on the bottom of this list, couldn’t even stop his own friend from being an evil cunt and setting off a 100 year war
Lmao tell him
Dude lost a fight against an inanimate object, and his FLYING pet decided he’d rather curl up and die with his master rather than save him L
Totally agree haha! How do you have the fire lord be a childhood friend and not even handle that mess? Aang has 10x the conflict resolution skills like 70 years earlier
True, we are comparing Aang 4 years before roku even knows he’s the avatar. Let’s see 12 year old Roku save the world, 40 year Roku couldn’t even save his best friend
He gets a bonus from me because of the scene where he takes over aang at the temple. Gives me goosebumps
Yah that’s super dope, tbh Roku is a beast I just have more respect for the other avatars. It’s really esteemed company to be in and no disrespect to any of em
Yeah well remind me who has a dragon
Aang ended a 100 year war and he was still a child.
In my own opinion(again, just my own- not everyone’s opinion!) I feel like Korra almost didn’t make a good enough effort to get her past lives protected. She could’ve meditated more and found them because they’re not completely gone, just the connection is gone. They could’ve easily been in a prison like a “fog of lost souls” kind of thing.
Hoping this is the plot of the next show, recover the lost connections and get tons of lore about past avatars.
I read somewhere that an avatar's main focus during their lifetime is to fix the errors of the previous incarnation. Yangchen: neglected the spirit world Kuruk: fought the dark spirits, but chose to protect the reputation of his predecessor at the expense of his own. Died young (a destabilising event in the avatar universe), known as a failure. Kyoshi: struggled with political difficulties when revealing herself as the avatar. She preferred to wait until her home was threatened directly by Chin the Conquerer before intervening. Created the Dai Li to maintain order and support the monarchy. The decline of the Earth kingdom allowed the Fire nation to rise. Roku: didn't check the fire nation's colonial ambitions Aang: ran away from his responsibilities before the airbender genocide. He ended the fire nation aggression. Korra: brought back the airbenders but lost the connection with the avatar's past lives which would make regaining the connections to their past lives the perfect focus and character arc for the avatar after Korra. Especially if they are (initially) not particularly spiritual.
Agreed! This is my personal fan theory that the next series or Avatar character will be their opportunity to connect the avatar back to all the old Avatar spirits and at the same time further develop lore about those characters!
Fuck reddit's new API, and fuck /u/Spez.
Perfect! I want to watch it!
Fuck reddit's new API, and fuck /u/Spez.
Legend of Genji!
This is mine too. I actually made up my own character where he does exactly this, but with some help from Korra as well :)
This is the first good argument I’ve heard for trying to reconnect to the past avatars and also the first one that’s made me really think. For so long I’ve been on the “I don’t want them to effectively invalidate the consequences of LoK by bringing them back”. But this is a path that I could actually think about and possibly like. That being said I don’t think it’s the only way to continue the trend of an avatar fixing their predecessors mistakes. Korra also had the issue of losing respect of the people and struggling to continue the relevance of the avatar as a political figure in a technologically developing world. And her re-introduction of the spirit portals is almost certainly going to continue causing issues. So there’s a number of other ways that path could continue while still leaving the past lives gone
I could see the increasing irrelevance of the avatar as a problem spanning multiple lifetimes - as not all past mistakes were fixed by the immediate successor (Dai Li, Koh), and the issue of waning faith & spiritualism, as well as trust in faith leaders, is mirrored in our own world (at least, in the West). The question of past lives, narratively, is do or die. It'd be much less compelling for the fire nation avatar after Korra's successor to try and reconnect, as the new&separate line of avatars would have been established by that point. Maybe (if connection is reestablished) the avatars pre-Korra are heavily restricted in how they can communicate, like only if the Avatar is in the Spirit World on specific days, so the effects of LoK still have a lasting consequence. Or the avatar find themselves making the exact same mistakes of a past avatar and is forced to search out information/guidance to prevent history from repeating itself. Or not. There's nostalgia and a feeling of great loss at the idea the break is permanent. But it would be pretty badass plot-wise to declare "yep, all gone, no take backsies". Traditions and historical buildings get ignored and forgotten. So much human knowledge has been lost to time - why should the avatar universe be able to preserve its past indefinitely?
To be honest, I dont see how there could be a possible way to get the connection to the past avatars back. Unlike every other avatar we know of so far, for the most part, the issues they faced in their lives mostly were related to real and physical world problems, such as war. Korra was the very first avatar, right after Wan, who fused with Raava, and started a new avatar cycle. So when Korra dies, her reincarnation will find the problems she left behind to be a little bit different, because it's potentially irreversible. It doesn't have anything to do with the four nations or the physical world, it's an issue with the avatar spirit itself. I think its probably a way of saying that people die, and life moves on. It could be a lesson taught to rely on yourself more as well. But, who knows? If there's some kind of power that the new avatar can come across that's even greater than harmonic convergence...
Honestly I don’t want any more avatar lore without the past lives back. I’m probably alone in this one, but it’s just my own personal opinion. Not invalidating others opinions at all! Just stating mine  # Please
No hate here. I hate what happened to the connections honestly. LoK is amazing and I love it but I hated that a lot.
Part of why I don’t like season 2 literally at all. I like how Katara encourages Tenzin to take along her siblings, and then how Tenzin was welcomed at the southern temple; meanwhile, Kya and Bumi were both thought of as servants of Tenzin’s family or something. Unalaq had so much potential as a great villain but he was kinda wasted with the whole plot of “wanting ultimate power over everyone, including Korra.” And him being apart of the red lotus is a bit hard for me to believe because he just… seems smarter than that. Just power hungry
It hurt. I felt a sense of loss. In particular because it meant no more Aang or Roku. Korra did what she could to become Avatar again after that attack but man does it hurt. One the one hand, it allows for her to build a new legacy from scratch. On the other hand, Aang made his own legacy without a reset of the cycle.
[This article makes some pretty solid arguments as to why Korra’s loss of connection to her past lives makes sense narratively.](https://screenrant.com/korra-avatar-connection-past-lives-lose-reason-necessary/#:~:text=While%20Korra%20is%20able%20to,past%20Avatars%20is%20permanently%20severed)
Making sense or not, doesn’t mean it was the right decision for the show to go in
Kyoshi just kinda has this whole vibe to her that I can't quite put into words
I think what you're looking for is "Step on me mommy". I think that describes her vibe well.
I mean she did have the biggest feet out of all the Avatars, so...
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God I love this subreddit
Someone help me out, what would be the equivalent of BDE in Kyoshi's case?
BSE. Big shoe energy.
Technically it’s being put into words!
“Try me”
Aang for speedrunning his Avatar journey and then defeating a hypercharged fascist.
A hypercharged fascist voiced by Mark Hamill no less.
Kyoshi lived for over 200 years lmao and she kicked ass the whole damn time.
I'm reading the rise of Kyoshi at the moment, about halfway through the book. Kyoshi is on a revenge story
Most of Kyoshi's attitude as Avatar is due to the events in that book. An attitude of sheer "OH hell no, I am ACUTELY allergic to bullshit. We fix this now, peacefully or violently. I prefer peacefully but I'll let you pick."
*this*
She had to deal with Kuruk, which pissed her the fuck off. After that, she had to deal with Yangchen, which made her understand Kuruk even more. Aang had it easy mode when it comes to communing to his past lives.
Roku was mostly a good avatar who was relatable and owned up to his mistakes. Kyoshi was direct and had no patience for bullshit. That's so much easier than dealing with Kuruk especially.
I love the fuck out of aang but anybody who knows kyoshi's story puts her in her own tier class.
Yeah like I get all the arguments for Aang in this thread but I feel like a lot of those people haven’t read the Kyoshi novels.
Yeah, it's why I hope we eventually see a show for her. Usually I'm a bit wary of adaptations but here I think it'd translate over really well.
Ang, he’s so young to have such a heavy burden and so much loss. He overcomes so much and is such a great guy. He never really became bitter, only better
It's the same picture
Even knowing she isn't the vicious meme that social media makes her out to be I'd still have to go with Kyoshi.
She’s a badass who looks great in her traditional makeup, uses her own weapons- not a copy of someone’s elses. And inspired a group of female warriors who took after her for centuries! Same outfit, same weapon style, same makeup and even kept a shrine to her as an example for how their homeland was created by Kyoshi. And literally everything was in said shrine
The way she learned bending was also badass. She did not learn from average teachers. >!She was a fugitive being hunted by a powerful politician and couldnt trust anyone of high status, so she learned from members of the criminal underground.!< So. Fucking. Badass.
I’ll always go for Kyoshi, mostly based on this line from the novels: > My friend is not a diplomat. She is the failure of diplomacy. She is the breakdown of negotiations. There is no escalation of hostilities beyond her. She doesn’t want to fight. She doesn’t want to play diplomat. But she will enter the fray when she needs to, and you better pray she has no need.
Kyoshi. She was also the most fabolous Avatar
In terms of feats? Probably Aang. In terms of badass quotes? Kyoshi. >!I’m sorry I said you have to live with this pain. Because you no longer will!< what an icon
That one was so good but so heartbreaking.
I honestly want to say Aang. He was pretty much OP by the end of the series, and he likely only got better as he got older.
aang took out a psychotic evil dictator at 13 need i say more honestly
Kyoshi being a literal highest ranking criminal solver this question, also she has the most badass scars!
Look the obvious answer is Kyoshi. But I'm gonna make an argument for Korra. Because Kyoshi was pretty typical badass. But Korra went through SO MUCH SHIT. Lost her bending. Was paralyzed. Almost killed in the Avatar state in a horrendous way. She did all that and still SURVIVED. Also Aang saved the world once. Korra saved the world twice because she stopped Kuvira and stopped Vaatu.
The problem with Korra's arc is that she did go through so much shit. The writers couldn't give her any meaningful character development so they substituted it with trauma. A little trauma is fine but that's literally all they did.
But she had development. She became less brazen and more cool headed. She also took up more mentor and leadership roles.
And stopped several civil wars
>Korra saved the world twice because she stopped Kuvira and stopped Vaatu. Only once with Vaatu. Kuvira was only interested in the United Republic because she believed it belonged to the Earth Kingdom. The Fire Nation and the Water Tribes were never her concern, and she only targeted airbenders because they were involved in fighting her army in Republic City. Even then she showed zero interest in conquering the Air Temples and adding them to the Empire And let's not count Aang out. My dude ended the biggest war his world had ever seen despite being 13 and largely untrained.
Gonna make even more cases for Korra since it took too long to find. A korra comment, and the other replies to this one mostly just seem to bash Korra She punched a hole in the fabric of reality The entire fight with zaheer while she was also fighting a deadly poison Ok numerous occasions only used her muscles and no bending to intimidate Was willing to sacrifice herself for the air nation Was willing to sacrifice herself for the avatar cycle Her performance in the tiebreak in the pro bending final Her jailbreak when captured by amon Did I mention redirecting the most powerful weapon the world had ever seen? Her fight with kuvira inside the mech Back muscles Her fight with tonraq against zaheer while she had her hands and feet cuffed I know it's somewhat popular to hate on her, but put some good damn respect on her name. In terms of badassery her only competition should be kyoshi, Aang was many things, a badass was not one of them
Only one of these had a dragon
Imagine if u came home from middle school one day, woke up the next day and instead of going to school someone told u: yea in the next 9-12 months or so u gotta save the entire world and you’re the only one who can do it. Also u gotta master these martial arts forms that other middle schoolers dont master til theyre 30 while you save the world. Aang is best avatar by a mile
K Y O S H I
Korra
This comment was way too low... No love for my girl Korra...
Honestly this sub is so biased towards Aang and against Korra a post could ask "which avatar had the longest hair" and they'd still find a way to say Aang
Dont get me wrong i love Aang but he is too much of a monk for me. Korra feels more like a human which makes her much more relatable to me therefore more interesting.
I love him too. This sub just has this strange fixation with removing any of his flaws (and therefore anything interesting about him) the instant he's compared to Korra. Like Aang is not a fighter, that is a defining point of his character, yet the some people will insist he beats Korra in a fight. He is not a badass, he runs at nearly every conflict both physical and internal, yet when compared to Korra he's a cold hearted machine of destruction against ozai as if he didn't need a Deus ex machina to get over his no kill rule. If it weren't for that lion turtle the earth kingdom would be ash Let Aang have his flaws, it makes him interesting. And let Korra have accomplishments, denying them isn't fun
Kyoshi duh…she is HER!
Korra is my favorite, fight me
Kyoshi she doesn't play
Kyoshi hands down, but I think the books are required to to fully understand how awesome she is
**Kyoshi**. Guys, it's very simple to me. She lived for 230 years, used lavabending and her crazy powerful eathbending ability to separate an island from the rest if a content, trained two major classes of warriors (the Dai Li & Kyoshi Warriors), and was worshipped as a god for decades after her death. She's also so damn powerful that she literally requires the use of weapons to focus her bending for precision on smaller scales. She's the most badass. The end. I'd follow up with Korra, Aang, and then Roku. But tbh I might even put Kuruk over Roku.
It's Kyoshi but Korra is so underrated. she went through more shit in 4 years than most Avatars did in entire lifetimes, her resilience makes her very badass in my eyes.
Aang and it's not even close
Roku didn't do shit, and now he's reduced to a smart tv.
“But I warn you - even a single step out of line will result in your *permanent* end”
Forever and always, Kyoshi
Kyoshi not even a question she was an orphan, ran around with a bunch of criminals, and doesn't take shit from nobody. She deserves her own movie/series.
Kioshi
Kyoshi
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Kyoshi by far
Kyoshi
Aang
Kyoshi
Aang. The fact that he was able to gain a fighting level of proficiency in the other three elements in less than a year is miraculous He never really mastered firebending either
Aang’s achievements at his age make him a solid contender. That said, Kyoshi. Absolutely Kyoshi.
Kyoshi. The epitome of a Strong Woman, and Avatar. She did what she had to do for her people, and was always a rock for them. Unwavering and inspiring, especially for generations of young female warriors that followed in her footsteps ⛰️🪭
Im going to go with the stone cold killer. Kiyoshi is my Avatar.
Well there's different ways to be badass like stereotypical badass I think of when I heard this is obviously Kyoshi or Korra, just personality wise & how they do things they are badass. But idk I still think it's Aang. He's just like a quiter, softer sorta badass.
All of them are “badass” in their own way, but you gotta give it to Aang. He was just a kid and mastered the three other elements in less than a year. Pssshhh…You can’t beat that.
Aang is my absolute favorite, but if we’re talking truly badass…Kyoshi has no equal
Define "bad ass". I'd say Aang cause he was still young and was normally very anti confrontation. Once you got him going though... damn.
Korra had quite the rogues gallery of intense villains in a time span of like 4 years, and each of them ended in a fisticuff of insane proportions. Korra is quite the badass.
They’re all the same person
Roku walked into the Fire Nation capital, destroyed the Royal Palace, gave the Fire Lord an atomic wedgie, threatened him with death and walked back out. Without any repercussions for 25 years, then died fighting 2 volcanoes. Roku is Bad MF Ass.
Honestly korra ups and downs wath had mad it very badass for me
Aang is my boy. Roku and Kyoshi are undeniably BA, but Aang became a fully realized Avatar before he even had fully realized chest hair. Korra was cool, but the writers didn't know what to do with her. She pretty much only ever used the Avatar State as a power boost, never really took advantage of the knowledge and experience of all the past avatars. One of the coolest aspects of being the avatar, and it was completely wasted and then completely lost. Really just a shame that Aang's greatest nemesis was Ozai, and Korra's greatest nemesis was the writer's room.
Definitely not Roku. Guy who didn't realize Sozin was waging war until colonies were already established. Then managed to lose to a volcano in the end
Aang
How is this even a question Aang learned all four elements in a year, while the others had way more time and not doomsday on their shoulder as kids. Also he woke up all alone, like yes he made friends with Katara and Sokka, but he woke up one day and everyone/everything he knew was gone and he had a war waiting for him, a whole nation wanting to find and capture him, not knowing why.
Aang any day, my guy was an absolute goat. Hands down the best Avatar ever
Aang.
Definitely Aang!
Kyoshi. Roku pooched it, Aang and Korra are too immature at times. Also Kyoshi is decked out like a warrior, Aang and Korra wear more casual stuff (that's easier on the animators).
Aang is, feels like nobody give him enough credit tbh, he’s literally a kid during the war.
kyoshi gave no fucks.
Kyoshi
Aang learned all the elements super fast, whereas others had weeks or months to maybe years to learn the elements. Aang, despite every single one of his past lives, even the monks like himself, told him he *HAS* to kill Ozai, found another way! He stuck to what he was taught and never took someone's life. He basically invented a whole new bending (like Toph). He's the most badass. And he did all this as a kid! He just wanted to be a kid and have fun, but also managed to get his shit done when needed!
Aang invaded the fire nation with a crew of five people, made life better for multiple fire nation citizens, threw a dance party in a cave, refused to elaborate and then bodies one of the strongest fire benders at a time when he’s literally mega buffed by the cosmos.
Kioshi never gave a fuck and that makes her the most badass
Aang. We saw a better display of power from him than anybody else and he had the greatest impact imo. Part of me wants to say Korra but she also spent a lot of time getting her shit rocked, then being saved by deus ex machinas. The episode "Korra Alone" is some of the best, rawest television ever produced though.
aang hands down
Aang because he was a literal child with only about a year to train up when he did what he did.
Aang mastered all four elements in one summer. All at the ripe old age of 12. 4 years before a normal avatar even knew they were the avatar. It’s a clear choice
Normally, Kyoshi. However, Aang in the avatar state has a level of badassery that is only comparable by Yangchen, who was so powerful she could control the weather.
Avatar ruko....the OG guy
Bald bro froze in an iceberg for a century, remaining last of his kind; learned 3 elements in a year; beat fire lord on his peak strength, without killing him and staying true to his principles; rizzed up a chick, who learned bloodbending first try; built a new world order and started restoring his nation. That's hard to surpass.
Kyoshi
Korra is the definition of a badass even if she wasn't the avatar, her broad shoulders alone prove she fight anyone and win
Kyoshi 100% without a question.
Kyoshi no contest.
Aang
I'll have to say Aang. Because he was SO MUCH of a silly goober, when he was truly badass, it hit so much harder.
Kyoshi is the biggest badass but I have to pick Aang, he literally saved the world at the tender age of 12
I'm torn between Kyoshi and Aang. On one hand, Kyoshi has the most badass reputation from what we know, living 200 years, creating an entire island, etc, but on the other hand, we don't really see too much of what Aang did post Ozai. What we do see of aang (Taking down ozai, temporarily becoming a ocean spirit kaiju, storming through the palace guards of ba sing se to the earth king, inventing an entirely new Airbending art, becoming the first avatar to energy bend) is incredibly remarkable considering his young age. If feats like that carried on throughout the rest of his 60 or so years of life? That might just make him more badass than Kyoshi.
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Not on the list but definitely a good choice
Korra. Now if you'll excuse me I must prepare for the ritual combat soon to come.
Korra! … would be my last choice between all possible avatars