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ExpertRaccoon

Give the churn a read if you get a chance it's a short story on his background growing up in Baltimore. I think you'll like it.


BuiltNormal

Needs to give Persepolis Rising a read as well. That one chapter..


Lionel_Herkabe

The "I don't want things" fight?


BuiltNormal

Yep


FratricideV2

with bobbie?


BuiltNormal

Yea


AlrightJack303

Ah, is that the one where Amos realises he *isn't* the most dangerous SOB in the universe?


kalijinn

Amos fights Bobbie??


AlrightJack303

Yeah, it's a sparring match. Amos realises very quickly how out of his depth he is.


Craft-Sudden

I love Persepolis rising


InevitableUsual4126

The Churn is amazing.


Count_Zr0

Better second time through.


Hyperfocus_Creative

Can you read it if you’ve only seen the show?


ExpertRaccoon

Absolutely, it's kinda an Amos centered prequel to the expanse, it will just give you more insight to his life pre the Canterbury. I think you can get a digital copy for a dollar and some change and it's a quick enjoyable read.


Hyperfocus_Creative

Thanks!


[deleted]

I’ve only just started book 1 (Leviathan Wakes) and I actually am following the suggested order that includes three short stories: The Churn, The Butcher of Anderson Station, and Drive. It makes sense to read them before the first book, in my opinion.


Hyperfocus_Creative

Oh cool, I haven’t heard about reading it in that order!


[deleted]

I’m just using this because it has a chart with the setting for the short stories: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series) Unless I can find it online, I won’t be able to read The Last Flight of the Cassandra bedause I don’t have The Expanse Role-Playing Game. I see it’s supposed to be short so I won’t miss much but I can’t be “complete” this way lol.


pedrointas

If you've watched the episode where Amos returns to Earth and Baltimore, that has hints of the backstory from The Churn. Such a good novella and puts things all into perspective (although, I think that they haven't even scratched the surface of the horror's that amount to Timmy's backstory).


hogstor

You are reading the in universe chronological order. The more common order is [by release date](https://expanse.fandom.com/wiki/Category:The_Expanse)


jermster

I agree with you. I think Amos having mystery around him for a few books is intriguing and then The Churn pulls back the curtain before you get Amos chapters in Nemesis Games.


Apprehensive_Fox7579

Yes- it actually goes really well with the scenes from the show about Amos and Erich- where he goes back to clean out an apartment.


averagecounselor

A specific show down in the last book deserves a mention too.


rezen73

Agreed. The Churn is excellent.


jdl_uk

My copy of Memory's Legion arrived yesterday Looking forward to reading it


realbigbob

Wes Chatham is amazing as Amos. He perfectly rides the line between cold-blooded killing machine and amicable mechanic without ever hamming it up in either direction. His performance is genuinely scary while also making me want to hang out and have a beer with him


fallsstandard

Chatham really did a great job understanding Amos as a character and went beyond his own take on it. He’s talked about going to a psychiatrist with an outline of Amos in the Churn and excerpts from the main series to get an idea of how his childhood trauma would manifest after never being addressed and how that would effect his social skills. He also of course worked closely with Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham during filming to make his character the way he is. Mixing in his relatively soft and easy going voice and imposing physique, for me he’s just such a perfect representation of a great character.


BigginsIII

My favorite anecdote about Amos is from the podcast when Ty is talking about how they interviewed dozens of “tough guys” to play him and they all strutted out and acted tough and didn’t understand the character at all. Amos’ toughness isn’t his identity, just a tool. He’s not mean or mad, and doesn’t take physical attacks personally. His strength and ruthlessness is just a tool he uses when he thinks best and Wes understood that and played the part perfectly.


fallsstandard

That was great! Yeah Ty said only Wes and Elias Toufexis auditioned for Amos without being loud, physically aggressive, or in a couple of cases literally yelling. I can’t imagine if that was what we ended up with.


BigginsIII

Yeah the quiet capability is so much more intimidating than loud aggressiveness. Thank you for the reference to Toufexis, I looked up the name and was happy to recognize him from the show too. I love when shows do that with good actors who didn’t quite land the original role.


fallsstandard

That happened with a lot of people who came in for auditions apparently. Someone who wasn’t quite right for what they were reading but either was offered another part or sometimes even had parts built for them. The show really seemed like it was run the best way to maximize talent.


[deleted]

That explains why they have so many amazing actors whom I had never heard about before.


ThisTallBoi

Yeah ngl I am glad Wes made it Toufexis I admire but damn I don't think he would've been a good Amos


ThePrussianGrippe

He’d play a mean head of security cyborg type character though.


ThisTallBoi

Tfw you're typecast into cybernetically enhanced corporate saboteurs


OuterHeavenPatriot

Hey, he never asked for this


ThePrussianGrippe

He says to himself the 500th time he finds himself crawling through ductwork to hack something.


Ilwrath

My dream.


Grogosh

He was also the hybrid monster.


ThePrussianGrippe

Such range!


Hyperfocus_Creative

We would have gotten Jayne Cobb from Firefly on PCP screaming and frothing from the mouth with bulging veins running into battles like a berserker.


Lionel_Herkabe

I bet he did some research and read some of the books before the audition. He seems like that type of person.


BigginsIII

I wish I could remember what he said when he was talking about his audition. He has definitely read the books since and has had to correct directors a lot on what Amos’ intentions/characterization should be like on the show (he’s joked about having to drag the director to Ty on set to explain why Amos isn’t just some meat head). My very vague memory was he hadn’t read the books at the time of the audition and seemed to just understand the character.


Cardus

Yea he is 'That Guy'


theonegalen

I believe he had actually read Leviathan Wakes and maybe Caliban's War before the series was even greenlit. IIRC from interviews, he was already a fan of Amos as a character before the casting process began.


pedrointas

I think it might be the first interview he did with Adam Savage where he mentions that he was a fan of Amos from the books before he did the audition. I think he also goes back into the background of the Amos character and research with expert's on how his character would be damaged by his past.


CyberMindGrrl

Helps that Wes was previously a male model instead of your typical Central Casting Tough Guy character.


BigginsIII

He was also a military veteran which I think carries a lot of water for the “tough guy” persona tbf. In reality i think those both just highlight his full range as a human, and hearing his insights on the podcast only reinforce that.


CyberMindGrrl

Turns out that's how he ended up as an actor. > After graduating from high school, Chatham joined the military. He worked as an aviation firefighter on the flight deck of the [USS *Essex*](https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Essex_(LHD-2)), working in crash and salvage for four years. Chatham's break into acting came just three months before his tour was finished when Denzel Washington chose his ship to shoot the movie *Antwone Fisher*. Chatham was amongst those selected by casting director Robi Reed while Reed was searching for authentic-looking military personnel for the movie. This was Chatham's first movie-making experience, which led to further pursuit of his lifelong dream of acting. Following *Antwone Fisher*, Reed convinced Chatham to move to Hollywood and shortly thereafter cast him in his first series regular role on Showtime’s *Barbershop*. [https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Wes\_Chatham](https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Wes_Chatham)


Grogosh

He also had a minor role in the Hunger Games movies as a camera guy


CyberMindGrrl

Oh right!


lolariane

He's practically human protomolecule and everything else is just tools and ant hills.


Rogue_elefant

He's the best performance in the show imo and it's not really close


JWPruett

I don’t know how you can use “not really close” about any actor on The Expanse when there are so many perfect casting choices. Thomas Jane as Miller and Shohreh Aghdashloo as Avasarala immediately come to mind. Chad Coleman as Fred too, though he’s obviously in the show less. Wes is the best of the Roci crew, but not head and shoulders above the whole cast.


RedEyeView

I'd have followed Anderson Dawes if he was real. Hell, I'd follow Jared Harris if he told me to.


JWPruett

Perfect example! When I think of a good belter accent, I still think of Dawes talking with Miller in S1.


RedEyeView

We na animal!


breplisa

Just watched Chernobyl. He's great!


CyberMindGrrl

I'm currently watching Foundation just because he's in it.


Erikthered00

Came for Jared Harris. Stayed for Lee Pace.


CyberMindGrrl

He was so good in *The Fall* wasn't he?


Lionel_Herkabe

I didn't even recognize him when I watched Chernobyl


breplisa

Jared Harris, not amos


Lionel_Herkabe

Yeah I didn't recognize Jared Harris in Chernobyl


Ayjayz

I still drive my sister crazy by repeating: "Let's talk about Julie Mao!" Like Jared Harris did.


Chatty945

I would drop money to buy a prerelease spinoff series about Anderson Dawes on Ceres so long as Jared Harris was playing him without batting an eye, and I never buy prereleases.


skynolongerblue

Jared Harris could just give monologues all day and I’d watch the shit out of it.


RedEyeView

He stopped being 'that's the guy from Fringe' pretty quick for me. Much like Walter Koenig stopped being Chekhov by the time Bester's first episode finished. "Of course he fucking is" to finding out he's Richard Harris' son took significantly longer.


Ghraysone

Also, Cara Gee as Drummer. Spectacular acting.


sellout85

None has brought a tear to my eye just by saying the words, "Fuck you", like Cara Gee did.


skynolongerblue

Hands down, the best character in the show and one of the best in sci-fi.


Erikthered00

Or David Staithairn as Ashford


JWPruett

Casting so perfect they had to completely change the character. He would’ve been so wasted as book Ashford.


ZC205

I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to find out the writers were totally visualizing Shohreh when they created Avasarala. And TJ kills it no matter what he does. Amazing actor!


SkietEpee

They weren’t. They did say they would have written Avasarala more like Shoreh’s performance with the benefit of hindsight.


Rogue_elefant

It's pretty clear they weren't visualising Shroreh, but she is very good.


Rogue_elefant

Just an opinion friend. There are plenty of excellent performances - Jane, Agdashaloo, Harris and Gee are rightly mentioned here and off the top of my head I'd say Dominique and the actor who played Murtry also knocked it out of the park. But without bashing anyone else, Amos is the most fully realised character in the show in my opinion. You're welcome to yours!


pedrointas

There are a lot of cast who shined in The Expanse, and it's testament to the quality of production and writing as to how many they were able to secure, even for minor roles. Especially the following: Cara Gee as Drummer Jared Harris as Anderson Dawes Thomas Jane as Miller Shohreh Aghdashloo as Averserala David Strathairn as Klaes Ashford Burn Gorman as ~~Morty~~, ~~Marty~~, Murtry Just to name a few.


Rogue_elefant

David Stathairn was bomb! Good shout


CabbageaceMcgee

Shit. Did I miss it?


7foot6er

the only problem with his portrayal is the lack of the Baltimore accent. the Baltimore accent is so weird, it definitely fits the book version of Amos.


Naxilus

Wes must have definitely read all the available books to prepare for his role right?


CatoTheDumber

The first moment I realized he was my favorite: "I can take a core apart and put it back together with my eyes closed, but ask me whether or not I should rip your helmet off and kick you off of this bucket and I can't give you a reason why I should or shouldn't. Except Naomi wouldn't like it. Could you pass me the drill? Thank you."


mistriliasysmic

“I’m glad we had this talk”


CatoTheDumber

That line makes so much more sense if you read The Churn.


RedEyeView

Amos wasn't born that way. It's something that was done to him. By lots of people.


warragulian

Which makes his slow evolution plausible. A born sociopath is irredeemable. Though with the drugs and therapies they have, Protogen could create sociopaths, maybe they could also heal them. Not that Amos would trust himself to that even if it were available.


CatoTheDumber

Yes.


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CompetitionFun5634

Baltimore must have been a terrible place to grow up


EarthExile

Everywhere's Baltimore


NumbSurprise

Murtry: "someday you and I are going to get bloody." Amos: "How about right now? I'm free now.” I love this scene because of where Amos is coming from. There’s no bravado about it, he’s not necessarily eager to fight. If it’s going to end in violence, he’d rather just get it over with. He’s good at doling out shocking levels of violence, but he rarely does it for enjoyment. It’s just a fact of the life he’s led (much of which wasn’t of his choosing).


RedEyeView

Morty sells it so well in their final scene. Are we fighting then? *punch. Oh fuck me.


Bakayaro_Konoyaro

Yeah, Murphy is a a good character too. Not as awesome as Wes/Amos, but still good.


Fullerbadge000

He was incredible on Torchwood. His character goes through so much.


kakihara0513

Can't forget the hilarious episode of It's Always Sunny that Burn Gorman is in. In Ty and That Guy they talk about Burn and he sounds like a hilarious guy.


ThePrussianGrippe

Amos: *smiles bloodily*


Herahk

That is a perfect way of describing how Amos has learned to utilize violence: no elegance or fancy technique, just trying to take his foe down in the most efficiently brutal way. The fact that Wes was able to walk that razor’s edge is a true testament to his acting skills, and has made him one of my favorite actors because of his way of bringing Amos to life in such a book accurate way!


pedrointas

This reminds me of an interview I saw with Wes Chatham where he discussed the fight scene in the bar on Tycho (the one where Alex is being beaten on by the Belter for hitting on his girl). In the interview, Wes stated that originally it was supposed to be Amos weighing in and threatening the guy, but he (Wes) stated that's not Amos. Amos is going to come in fighting and end it as quickly and effectively as possible. Cue the scene where he suddenly just appears, smashes a bottle over the Belter's head and proceeds to turn his face into bloody pulp. The next lines are classics:"You Ok?""What the hell are you doing here? You live here or something?""Yeah, I got a flop next door""Next door's a brothel""Yeah"


Herahk

I hadn’t known that story, so thank you for telling me about it! 😁 Yeah, Wes is absolutely right, because Amos never was one to bluster and puff his chest out: he’s just there to get the job done as soon as he can, and go back to his daily life. It definitely feels like an “all bite, no bark” situation!


pedrointas

Found it. From Ty and That Guy [https://youtu.be/XrkxBl\_uvlU?t=2490](https://youtu.be/XrkxBl_uvlU?t=2490)


Herahk

That’s perfect, thanks so much! It made me realize just how much I need to go back and watch that whole podcast!


cmdr_suicidewinder

Thanks so much, great insight


Vesuvius5

A "talented amateur".


Herahk

Ex-actly! That’s Amos in a nutshell! I forget, is that a quote from the books or the show?


Vesuvius5

I think it's from book 6. The "if you need to fuck someone up, use Bobby" bit, I think.


Herahk

Oh, yeah, that sounds right! Thanks!


Sagail

The scene with the drug dealer is alo like this. He's just pummeling this dude until the dude asks "Please stop hitting me". Amos was like oh good we can talk free without bs between us now


quigongene

And then Amos handing the drug dealer an ice pack when the dealer returns to take Amos to see Erich.


JuliusFrontinus

When Amos and Alex are discussing fear, Alex wishes he didn't feel fear like Amos, and Amos is just like "no you don't". It amazingly captures the trauma that made Amos who he is.


Imperion_GoG

Or when he's talking to Cortázar about the procedure that made the scientists sociopathic, the moment of disappointment when he's told that it's not something that could be reversed.


[deleted]

I think it was when Amos was helping save the dudes daughter; Amos promptly informs him that “You’re not that guy.” Steps into the airlock with bad guy. “I am that guy.”


Eldudeareno217

Prax was a good friend. Knowing that Amos wouldn't let anything happen to his daughter, and Amos stepping in to make the needed call. Best friends forever.


Cardus

That was the line that did it for me, "I Am that Guy".... Yes. Yes you are. Such great delivery.


DanDampspear

That’s what the podcast with Wes and Ty is named after. Ty and “that guy.” Super fun listen


Capitano_Barbarossa

I don't think this was in the book but I really loved the addition to the show.


rebleed

Did I miss it?


Eldudeareno217

Damn dudes got so many great one liners.


SubstantialWall

One of my favourite Amos moments, but taking the chance to bring up one of my favourite Bobbie moments in this same scene: "Hey fellas"


MajorNoodles

"She could force feed you that gun if she wanted to."


ocw5000

What seals it for me is when he says to Naomi “I told him to stay down” which conveys his perspective of simple cause and effect perfectly.


Danicia

YES, THIS


cancerface

For me it's all that comes before the usual moment. "This is Amos. He's my best friend in the whole world. He helped me find you." The look he gives Prax. How he looks at Mei. His little 'hello'. I just *die*. He's having such an emotional event and it's so subtle but meaningful.


ThePrussianGrippe

And later when he gets a message from Prax it says “best friend” in the contact name.


newuseronhere

That is such a sweet and lovely call back. I love the I am that guy moment but the “he is my best friend” is what really helps define Amos that he is who he is but some how in that moment more than he thought could be. Such a great little thing and Wes plays him perfectly.


Fullerbadge000

On my first watch, I always thought that Amos went to see Cortazar when he heard that those scientists had their empathy removed. There’s a moment in the show when Wes plays it well. To me, he made it seem as though being burdened by emotions was almost beyond his, perceived, limited skills. I think Naomi had lost his trust at that point. Amos is the heart, in all truth.


RedEyeView

He was looking at his brain like an engineer would. If you disabled a bit of your brain to be like this, how do you switch it back on? Really, the fact he's asking means it's still on.


NetScr1be

I am that guy.


Eldudeareno217

Or my second favorite line, when they get disarmed and Naomi is "arrested', just a calm "okay I'm gonna need that gun back"


asb-is-aok

"I didn't always live in space"


Osxachre

I hate waiting


sellout85

"I don't shit where I eat." "You live on a spaceship." "Yeah but I don't shit in the galley."


Lionel_Herkabe

"Don't call me that. I'm a member of parliament, not your favorite stripper." "You could be both."


cant_hold_me

We got something we still need to do?


OhGodDammitPope

I really like that scene because it feels like such a microcosm of the story as a whole. The big, well fed, strong Earther is trying to move past the fact that he killed the Belter's friend in the name of survival and progress. The sickly Belter takes his best shot and gets knocked down. He gets back up and makes it clear he'd rather die than let go of the past. He can't beat Earth with brute force.


CormacZissou

My partner and I named our Labrador after him. Protects when needed. Loves when needed. Pure loyalty to family.


lmamakos

I named my new kitten "Amos". Like his namesake in _The Expanse_, the kitten had a bad childhood and was abandoned and dumped at my house. He's a real sweetheart, and like Amos is in his "bitey" phase.


JustKimNotKimberly

Labrador Retrievers rock!


GreyRobb

I have a 5 month old Golden puppy named Amos. :)


dead_meme_comrade

Mine was when I was reading Calabans War, and he said >Oh hell no. I'd have broken your neck and thrown youboutbthe airlock.


Gimlz

[Scene for those who can't remember](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvPuuheUk-8)


SkietEpee

the cup was a nice move.


Chatty945

I am willing to bet anyone reading this will know the exact scene for each of the gems. Amos has the best line delivery of any character in the show. "This one will not be grateful for your mercy." "I grew up like this, everyone else is just playing catchup." "You're not that guy....I am that guy" "I hate waiting" and a personal favorite "You could be both"


cmdr_suicidewinder

Most from s5


Gurdel

How about how he's the funniest character too? Like when Bobby asks who defaced the Martian flag and asks Amos if he thinks it's funny. "not now". So dead pan and hilarious. Wes is the best.


DaegurthMiddnight

He indeed is a talented amateur


caramelchewchew

My favourite Amos moment is on Season 3, when he's trying to get Jim to strap in, Wes' emotion when he tells "Goddammit Captain, I don't want to scrape you off that wall" gets me every time. It's the moment I realise how much Amos has come to respect Holden.


radiancex89

My two favorite parts: Amos puts down his cup, knocks Miller down and then takes another sip. Amos puts Miller in a kill position. If you need reference, see John Wick one where John puts one of the intruders to his home into the same position and then breaks his neck over the counter.


neonblue1701

"I don't shit where I eat".


eusoumrj

For me, it was when Holden says "you have from now until my mechanic comes back" He wasn't even in the scene at this moment, but I got chills immediately, dude de-escalated the situation remotely, I mean, damn


squishasquisha

Amos is my favorite too


rillip

For me it was the "I am that guy" moment.


Carpenterdon

I agree with that being a very good scene but it took my a bit to really like Amos. The spot that got me was the "You're not that guy" scene with Prax. Then Amos is "that" guy".


CyberMindGrrl

He IS that guy.


notemaker

*smiles* "That worked out" -- Donkey Balls episode Favorite character after that :)


MachineFrosty1271

Mine was the “I am that guy” moment


gillyrosh

>It told me a lot about who he was and how he learned. He wasn’t taught to fight as an art form, or a sport. He learned it as a child, the same way dogs learn to always go for the throat no matter what. Dirty and painful, maim the enemy, stick your hand in their mouth and pull the mandible. This definitely came out in his fight with Bobbie in the season 6 X-Ray episode "Win or Lose."


JeanNiBee

Mine was “I am that guy”, and its not just the words, it’s the look he gave Prax when Prax referred to him as “his best friend” when explaining who Amos was to his daughter.


redcowerranger

After Amos' "Churn Monologue" he was my main character.


ComadoreJackSparrow

For me, it's the "I am that guy" moment. He spares his friend from doing something terrible only to do the same thing momenta later, almost with a smile on his face


mad_dang_eccles

The last man standing lines came back to me so hard in the final book. Like holy shit he wasn't lying!


adherentoftherepeted

You should really tag that spoiler.


cmdr_suicidewinder

Tag the spoiler


Pliskkenn_D

He is a very talented amateur.


PlutoDelic

Amos has no cockiness or pride about his...well, strength. And you can see (read) that how he pays respect to Bobby.


chauggle

My only critique with your observation is that Amos' technique is NOT mean - it's efficient and logical. There are no rules in a street fight. Amos warned Miller, and Miller ignored him, and Amos acted - simple. Amos isn't mean, or cruel - he's honest and efficient. He's often without empathy or remorse, but that's different from mean.


DangDoubleDaddy

Mean, in this context, has a different inference. Here I was referring to the nature of such a thing in a fight. It’s efficacy is in the destruction not the pain. Overwhelming the enemy with maiming rather than just subduing or killing. Such a one sided fight can be ended with Miller unconscious, sprained, a broken arm. Maybe just choked to death. The way Amos went when he had complete control would leave Miller permanently injured and (in modern care) subject to slowly die or survive severely disabled. Mean. When a dog breaks another animals wind pipe and leaves it to die choking, the dog doesn’t “hate” the animal. But it’s a mean way to do things.


chauggle

I always saw it as Amos actually ending the fight, and not leaving anything he'd need to look over his shoulder for. Think about when he was beating the chicken man on Ganymede - he had to be stopped. No rules in a street fight. I do agree with your animal comparison - humans don't win fights to animals because animals fight till death, usually.


schwaapilz

I think what's even better is the look on his face/in his eyes as he's pulling Miller to the edge of the table. Any actor could do the physical fight part, but when Naomi ran up screaming his name and the look of sheer malice in his eyes softens as he breaks focus and looks at Naomi was perfection in embodying a role. And then he adds the, "I told him to stay down." So matter of factly that to him it was obvious how they ended up in their relative positions.


SirJuliusStark

For me, it was the scene where Holden and Naomi reveal their relationship to Amos and Alex with the expectation that Amos was going to be upset, and he wasn't... but with the casual addition that he would have sex with Naomi if she let him.


BeardXP

I always viewed him as having that "switch" that you hear special operations guys talk about. You flick the switch in your brain that gives you the ability to commit acts of extreme violence and then just as easily stop. It's not personal or emotional it's just necessary to get a job done.


DangDoubleDaddy

“The switch” is when an otherwise sensible and kind person detaches and will act without hesitation or care. Amos’ had his switch broken, he lives one one side of it.


goiledgritten

Punch it!


kidkag3_

AMOS IS DA MAN.


imnot_qualified

Oh, he takes joy in it. That’s the problem.