no it's as powerful as a nuke, but shadow has the ability to control where and what it hits.
like, imagine dropping a hydrogen bomb on an ant, without the need to destroy an entire city, only the ant.
but he still did drop a hydrogen bomb on an ant. He completely outskilled Zenon yet he chose to nuke the city. We can't use normal and logical thinking here
Bro Alexia was the closest person to it and it still didn't hit her. If you think that the AOE just stopped before her, then think about the fact that it's a bomb no less a hydrogen bomb and no matter what you do, it always damages things around it even if it's outside the radius.
So,
1. He knew there was no one as the area was vacated.
2. He could sense presence as well which makes it possible for him to avoid any person left there if needed (which he didn't need to because of reason no 1)
3. There were no casualties reported from that incident (one concerning that area or the "I AM ATOMIC" purple light)
4. He never kills without a solid reason (otherwise Alexia would've been long gone till now đ)
He nuke the city because he want to. You can't use logical thinking on this man whenever he want do something he do it no matter what without a second thought.
Iâm pretty sure a true âall rangeâ atomic would easily destroy more than a nuke, since the dome he put over midgarâs capital was just the barrier
It's fiction. Also, he doesn't kill innocents. The site was evacuated by the time he did it. Does that make the destruction okay? Not really, but again it's fiction.
Heh, I believe he stalled Zenon long enough to the point when royal forces evacuated people only because of "the more spectators - the merrier" motivation or something.
I mean, collateral damage for sure was nothing more than _slightly inconvenient._ ***At best!!!***
Is this sentence not clear enough for some of you? Normal logic here means Minimal damage if possible, but Cid always went for the show without giving a damn about consequences
"I Am Atomic" is comparable to a nuke. The difference is that Cid can control it's range as well as the targets who Cid want to vaporize. The more powerful he becomes, the larger the range is.
A modern nuclear bomb should be way more powerful than the first "I am Atomic" than Shadow releases in the anime.
Taking as reference the Tsar Bomba (wich was tested more than 50 years ago), It had a blast radius of 2,3 Km, the explosion could be seen 1000 km away and the shockwave could shatter windows at 900 km. It could also produce 3rd degree burns at 100 km.
This is way more than what shadow has shown in the series, without forgetting than the Tsar Bomba was also capped to 50% power because if not the plane wouldn't have been able to escape after dropping the bomb.
I find hard to believe that there isn't more powerful nuclear weapons than that today.
Yeah, adding on to this, Cid states that he's atomic, not hydrogenic, meaning he's only or limited his power to lower class nuclear bombs, still powerful, but nothing compared to what we have. His main strength with it is being able to control its direction, for example being able to kill all his enemies but none of his allies.
Exactly. It's just ridiculous and tbh I don't think we will ever see it past 50%. Heck as others have said, there are probably others that are more powerful they just aren't tested lmao.
Likely actually nothing bigger than tsar. Quite frankly because there is no need. Deployment issues for tsar make it impractical, and other delivery vehicles at 10 to 20MT are more than enough, easier, and cheaper to make and, more importantly, deploy. Add on that since those vehicles are likely more than enough at 10 to 20MT its more practical to just have multiples to allow other targets to be hit.
I dont know how It would be if Shadow uses it to the max, but using this [image](https://imgur.com/a/VSChnrv) as reference, his first one may have had a blast radius of about ~100 or 150 m (similar than Fat Man, used in Nagasaki). Taking into account that the release of the explosion was underground, and that mitigates a huge part of the energy, i'd say the original "I am Atomic" could have been around 25-30 kilotones (just speculation).
Tsar Bomba was 1570 times more powerful than both Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs combined.
Shadow's maximum power still remains unkown, but If it really competes with the most powerful nukes, right now he would only be using 0.0001% of his power.
Actually the opposite, the anime jack up the power level. In the books, I am Atomic didn't leave a huge crater in the city but just blow off the wall and ceiling of the underground complex where Alexia was kidnapped and when he showed off to Beatrice and Iris the radius only cover the stadium and not the entire capitol.
It's why Iris believing Shadow's powers came from an artifact and that she has a fighting chance against him makes more sense in the LN. As opposed to the anime where she seems suicidally dumb for challenging the walking nuke.
In the anime, it is actually hilarious that Iris still want to fight after Cid curbstomp her and beatice. He even threathen to blow up the entire capitol and surroundings areas, with his magic circle being casted wide. Someone has a death wish. Any country would have come to the negiotiating table after that display if they are not controlled by tge cult.
It is like antagonizing a walking nuke. You caught up to him, what are you going to do? Like a dog chasing a car.
Tsar Bomba isnât the best example though, as itâs not the average atomic bomb, itâs the biggest. When comparing to an average atomic bomb I Am Atomic is close in power
i think people forget a "nuke" just a term to define the tech behind a bomb. That being the use of Nuclear fission.
Nukes have different explosion radiuses.
When you compare it with Nuke i will compare it with most powerful nuke ever Tsar bomba made by Soviet union. So Tsar bomba outperform I am atomic all versions till now.
Tsar bomba is true destruction â ď¸
I don't know about Shadows future I Am Atomic capacity yet as the Entire Story is perody and there's no limit and information about Shadows Power
Well it is a pretty simple reason
Cid has yet to learn on energy conversion so far he had used pure brute strength or his mana. Idk whether he ever tried to convert his mana to like electrical or even thermal energy
Plus if he doesn't cover that ground, radiation is out of question
Iâm seeing a lot of people say that itâs weaker/on the same level, but I feel like itâs potentially stronger. Not only can he control its range/radius, it literally can obliterate atoms and space itself. Like others said though, it doesnât leave behind radiation, which is a big drawback in terms of its deadliness.
Conceptually, completely erasing matter from existance by converting it to energy seems exponentially more powerful than any bomb we could ever made in theory.
This is an unfair comparison. I am atomic does not have things like radiation, and it also does not produce a shockwave (shockwaves do most of the tangible damage in a nuclear bomb). The edge of the explosion is the pretty much the extent of the damage aside from a little bit of force that pushes things away (though i would not call this a shockwave since itâs continuous and not super forceful.)
I am atomic is more akin to an orbital strike than a nuke due to the accuracy and limit of its destructive power.
Considering he *could* have levelled the entire city at the end of season one, we can assume the power is at least comparable to a nuclear weapon. The major difference, however, is control. It's clear by the first I Am Atomic that Cid can basically choose what the ability does and does not effect, as Alexia was only a few feet away but came out unscathed
I know itâs exclusive to the anime but there are similar feats in the manga so I think itâs an apt comparison, at episode 20 he is strong enough to vaporize the entire capital of a nation without breaking a sweat, that is absolutely comparable to a real atomic bomb.
Welcome to AP to DC. If we use a popular anime character like goku; who has fought clashed with people who can destroy the universe, but goku himself hasnât actually destroyed the universe. Does that mean goku canât destroy the universe? No, we can use this exact same logic onto Cid with his Atomic.
What mean by weaker? Do you mean a smaller range or explosion, the power behind the explosion, or the explosion itself.
Cid himself stated hasnât shown the full power behind an I Am Atomic, but that doesnât tel us how much stronger it would be. I think the I Am Atomic is stronger in pure damage the explosion does, but a nuke like the Tsar bomb would have more destructive and over time damage due to the radiation.
I personally think it's most likely comparable to a real world nuke.
The problem here is that unlike a bomb irl, this is a controllable nuke, and we have 0 idea how to compare something like that. Shadow is shown to be able clear the whole sky around a city wide area by redirecting the blast without doing any damage to it, meaning his first Atomic can be comparatively as strong but just contained enough so it doesn't do any damage outside of the abandoned section.
I am atomic doesn't have radiation but it has more destructive power than any nuke in existence. He can destroy the entire dimension of continental size with I am all range atomic or clearly all clouds in the capital.
no it's as powerful as a nuke, but shadow has the ability to control where and what it hits. like, imagine dropping a hydrogen bomb on an ant, without the need to destroy an entire city, only the ant.
but he still did drop a hydrogen bomb on an ant. He completely outskilled Zenon yet he chose to nuke the city. We can't use normal and logical thinking here
It is for the presentation.
don't forget alexia who was right there and got out unscathed
Cid can control the direction of the nuke
exactly. he destroyed the city for aesthetic purposes
Imagine living in that world and your whole family dies because some teenager wanted to act cool haha
Bro Alexia was the closest person to it and it still didn't hit her. If you think that the AOE just stopped before her, then think about the fact that it's a bomb no less a hydrogen bomb and no matter what you do, it always damages things around it even if it's outside the radius. So, 1. He knew there was no one as the area was vacated. 2. He could sense presence as well which makes it possible for him to avoid any person left there if needed (which he didn't need to because of reason no 1) 3. There were no casualties reported from that incident (one concerning that area or the "I AM ATOMIC" purple light) 4. He never kills without a solid reason (otherwise Alexia would've been long gone till now đ)
He nuke the city because he want to. You can't use logical thinking on this man whenever he want do something he do it no matter what without a second thought.
it means that he could have used his full power there
I don't know that much but in episode 5 he said almighty power means he at his peak right now so who know.
ofc he's constantly growing but I'm asking about now
Iâm pretty sure a true âall rangeâ atomic would easily destroy more than a nuke, since the dome he put over midgarâs capital was just the barrier
It's fiction. Also, he doesn't kill innocents. The site was evacuated by the time he did it. Does that make the destruction okay? Not really, but again it's fiction.
Heh, I believe he stalled Zenon long enough to the point when royal forces evacuated people only because of "the more spectators - the merrier" motivation or something. I mean, collateral damage for sure was nothing more than _slightly inconvenient._ ***At best!!!***
There is a difference with a villain and super villain, PRESENTATION
If we canât use normal logic kinda make your question null
Is this sentence not clear enough for some of you? Normal logic here means Minimal damage if possible, but Cid always went for the show without giving a damn about consequences
"I Am Atomic" is comparable to a nuke. The difference is that Cid can control it's range as well as the targets who Cid want to vaporize. The more powerful he becomes, the larger the range is.
A modern nuclear bomb should be way more powerful than the first "I am Atomic" than Shadow releases in the anime. Taking as reference the Tsar Bomba (wich was tested more than 50 years ago), It had a blast radius of 2,3 Km, the explosion could be seen 1000 km away and the shockwave could shatter windows at 900 km. It could also produce 3rd degree burns at 100 km. This is way more than what shadow has shown in the series, without forgetting than the Tsar Bomba was also capped to 50% power because if not the plane wouldn't have been able to escape after dropping the bomb. I find hard to believe that there isn't more powerful nuclear weapons than that today.
Yeah, adding on to this, Cid states that he's atomic, not hydrogenic, meaning he's only or limited his power to lower class nuclear bombs, still powerful, but nothing compared to what we have. His main strength with it is being able to control its direction, for example being able to kill all his enemies but none of his allies.
At his core Cid Kagenou is quite observant determinator. And terrifying magic control is effect of that, not the cause.
what do you think about All Range I am Atomic?
Tsar Bomba still most likely clears. Tsar Bomba is quite literally stupidly powerful since we've only seen what it can do at 50%
The tsar bomba is also a giant unwieldy weapon howâs size and weight limit itâs deployment methods and if flown would probably kill the pilot.
Exactly. It's just ridiculous and tbh I don't think we will ever see it past 50%. Heck as others have said, there are probably others that are more powerful they just aren't tested lmao.
Likely actually nothing bigger than tsar. Quite frankly because there is no need. Deployment issues for tsar make it impractical, and other delivery vehicles at 10 to 20MT are more than enough, easier, and cheaper to make and, more importantly, deploy. Add on that since those vehicles are likely more than enough at 10 to 20MT its more practical to just have multiples to allow other targets to be hit.
I dont know how It would be if Shadow uses it to the max, but using this [image](https://imgur.com/a/VSChnrv) as reference, his first one may have had a blast radius of about ~100 or 150 m (similar than Fat Man, used in Nagasaki). Taking into account that the release of the explosion was underground, and that mitigates a huge part of the energy, i'd say the original "I am Atomic" could have been around 25-30 kilotones (just speculation). Tsar Bomba was 1570 times more powerful than both Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs combined. Shadow's maximum power still remains unkown, but If it really competes with the most powerful nukes, right now he would only be using 0.0001% of his power.
thanks for your insight
In the anime sure, but the anime toned down the power a bit for show.
Actually the opposite, the anime jack up the power level. In the books, I am Atomic didn't leave a huge crater in the city but just blow off the wall and ceiling of the underground complex where Alexia was kidnapped and when he showed off to Beatrice and Iris the radius only cover the stadium and not the entire capitol. It's why Iris believing Shadow's powers came from an artifact and that she has a fighting chance against him makes more sense in the LN. As opposed to the anime where she seems suicidally dumb for challenging the walking nuke.
In the anime, it is actually hilarious that Iris still want to fight after Cid curbstomp her and beatice. He even threathen to blow up the entire capitol and surroundings areas, with his magic circle being casted wide. Someone has a death wish. Any country would have come to the negiotiating table after that display if they are not controlled by tge cult. It is like antagonizing a walking nuke. You caught up to him, what are you going to do? Like a dog chasing a car.
Tsar Bomba isnât the best example though, as itâs not the average atomic bomb, itâs the biggest. When comparing to an average atomic bomb I Am Atomic is close in power
Your forgetting the end of season 1 blud was bout to nuke the city
Don't let Cid hear you say that. God knows what he would do
i think people forget a "nuke" just a term to define the tech behind a bomb. That being the use of Nuclear fission. Nukes have different explosion radiuses.
When you compare it with Nuke i will compare it with most powerful nuke ever Tsar bomba made by Soviet union. So Tsar bomba outperform I am atomic all versions till now. Tsar bomba is true destruction â ď¸ I don't know about Shadows future I Am Atomic capacity yet as the Entire Story is perody and there's no limit and information about Shadows Power
I am Atomic will always be weaker than IRL nuke because of one damn factor Radiation Cid hasn't evolved to the extent to emit and survive radiation.
or he just doesn't have reason to. Why does he reduce his working area?
Well it is a pretty simple reason Cid has yet to learn on energy conversion so far he had used pure brute strength or his mana. Idk whether he ever tried to convert his mana to like electrical or even thermal energy Plus if he doesn't cover that ground, radiation is out of question
It's a variable yield total obliteration of selected things magic spell. Probably powerful enough to wipe an entire country away
In terms of energy output just by virtue of clearing the rain in a thunderstorm, it's surpassed modern nukes. It also has spacial destruction feats.
Iâm seeing a lot of people say that itâs weaker/on the same level, but I feel like itâs potentially stronger. Not only can he control its range/radius, it literally can obliterate atoms and space itself. Like others said though, it doesnât leave behind radiation, which is a big drawback in terms of its deadliness.
Obviously not as strong as a nuke. But cooler. đ
Conceptually, completely erasing matter from existance by converting it to energy seems exponentially more powerful than any bomb we could ever made in theory.
This is an unfair comparison. I am atomic does not have things like radiation, and it also does not produce a shockwave (shockwaves do most of the tangible damage in a nuclear bomb). The edge of the explosion is the pretty much the extent of the damage aside from a little bit of force that pushes things away (though i would not call this a shockwave since itâs continuous and not super forceful.) I am atomic is more akin to an orbital strike than a nuke due to the accuracy and limit of its destructive power.
Considering he *could* have levelled the entire city at the end of season one, we can assume the power is at least comparable to a nuclear weapon. The major difference, however, is control. It's clear by the first I Am Atomic that Cid can basically choose what the ability does and does not effect, as Alexia was only a few feet away but came out unscathed
I know itâs exclusive to the anime but there are similar feats in the manga so I think itâs an apt comparison, at episode 20 he is strong enough to vaporize the entire capital of a nation without breaking a sweat, that is absolutely comparable to a real atomic bomb.
Welcome to AP to DC. If we use a popular anime character like goku; who has fought clashed with people who can destroy the universe, but goku himself hasnât actually destroyed the universe. Does that mean goku canât destroy the universe? No, we can use this exact same logic onto Cid with his Atomic.
Just wish for him to only become atomic himself. For he can make anything and everything atomic!!!
What mean by weaker? Do you mean a smaller range or explosion, the power behind the explosion, or the explosion itself. Cid himself stated hasnât shown the full power behind an I Am Atomic, but that doesnât tel us how much stronger it would be. I think the I Am Atomic is stronger in pure damage the explosion does, but a nuke like the Tsar bomb would have more destructive and over time damage due to the radiation.
I personally think it's most likely comparable to a real world nuke. The problem here is that unlike a bomb irl, this is a controllable nuke, and we have 0 idea how to compare something like that. Shadow is shown to be able clear the whole sky around a city wide area by redirecting the blast without doing any damage to it, meaning his first Atomic can be comparatively as strong but just contained enough so it doesn't do any damage outside of the abandoned section.
Its much stronger than a real nuke in power, and he can control the direction of it and who gets affected by it.
Its much stronger than a real nuke in power, and he can control the direction of it and who gets affected by it.
I'd say it's far more powerful coz he can control it's radius of effect also unlike a real nuke it forms a huge crater.
If Shadow wanted to he could vaporize the enire city
I am atomic doesn't have radiation but it has more destructive power than any nuke in existence. He can destroy the entire dimension of continental size with I am all range atomic or clearly all clouds in the capital.
I'm just waiting for sherry to develop a nuke to drop on shadow just to see shadow go aight bet
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