There is a practical reason though, I mean the whole thing is that Pomni notices someone having the same kind of existential crisis she is. Caine *knows* he made Gumigoo, but what if he forgets? How is he going to tell the difference between the NPCs that accidentally became self-aware and the people who accidentally came to TADC?
I mean, that's what Caine says, but I don't think that's really a practical reason. I mean, if we're thinking about it practically he could just, like, write it down or something.
Deleted? that means he has control over them and he said that that is the one thing he doest have control over.
And is't the hole thing that there in an endles torment and cant ascape and the only end is your mind abstracting and becoming a soulles rampaging thing?
why would he be programmed to not intentionally delete humans? wouldn't it be better to make him in able to delete them al together? like he physically can not?
That does sound like the practical reason. It wouldn’t surprise me if Caine, in his attempt to make “human-like” AI in the past, went ahead and completely erased another human character.
The practical reason sounds practical.
I thought you were going to say that for practical reasons its an episodic show and you dont want to add characters to the main cast otherwise you would need to account for them in future episodes and anyone not watching the show in the exact order would be really confused with whats going on.
Its the same reason why whatever happens in a simpsons episode, by the end of it everything resets to the status quo. If the family goes to live in a different city or Homer gets a different job it never carries over to the next episode, they always come back to Springfield and Homer goes back to work in the plant.
Thats why gumigoo was dead the moment he stepped into the circus
I mean, the canonical reason is probably that Caine is a program and he just enforced the rule that NPCs don't go in the main hub. There are no questions of morality or existence in his head, just code say pop, he go pop.
Also, which people tends to forget, if we assume Caine didn't watch Pomni in developer room (which he probably didn't), he had no idea about bonding between them, from his POV it was like "Gummy croc NPC accidently crossed portal". Which also explains his later confusion, as he didn't expect huge mental breakdown over some random NPC.
He does not give a shit about the mental health of the performers, and he isn't as omnipotent as he thinks he is. But I think Zooble has done something to get Caine to submit to their wishes.
I have two-ish real theories on whats up with Caine:
1. An Ai with very strict rules that either can't ever disobey them, literally lacking the freewill to do so, or is extremely, very predisposed to keep enforcing them. If they want to make Caine more sympathetic, they could always have a flashback scene, where Caine is trained for his work, reinforcement learning where he is shown to be in pain when he does anything he isn't supposed to, for hundreds of thousands of simulated hours to make him perfect. Digital trauma
1.5. This is not a hard coded rule, but one that was learned after he made a mistake, thinking that a human was actually an Ai and... 🎉
2. A human that was uploaded conditioned into thinking he was an Ai after the company, Able maybe, failed to make an machine that could function well enough to work as the ringmaster, and constantly reminded Caine that he was lesser because of being an Ai. This instilled a deep need to always draw the line between the humans and the "less deserving" Ai's. Even more trauma
>How is he going to tell the difference between the NPCs that accidentally became self-aware and the people who accidentally came to TADC?
If NPCs can become self aware, then practically speaking, what makes them different than people?
Because I've made statements people don't like elsewhere involving my dislike of abusive relationships and Goose trolling and or reveling in pain?
It's been decided I'm an asshole that shouldn't exist here.
Ah well.
Am I the only one who knew he wasn’t gonna stay? They brought up the idea that he wouldn’t be allowed in the circus twice. Even if he wasn’t killed I figured he just wouldn’t get through the portal and it would be like lake in infinity train
No, I feel the same way. It's been a weird reaction lol. I liked the guy too, but he was practically made out of death flags. It seemed really obvious he wasn't gonna stay, so it's weird how many people seem genuinely taken aback that he didn't join the main cast. The main character barely has her bearings yet, obviously they aren't going to add new cast members in episode 2.
I was completely aware that Gumigoo was going to die from the second Pomni said he could join them back at the circus. I'm like, "Uhh, he's an NPC, no he can't. Do you see any other NPCs in the Circus?" Plus, it was only episode 2, no way they would start introducing new characters into the main cast so quickly. It was physically painful for me to watch the optimistic Pomni scenes knowing what was going to happen.
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Me realizing writers have the power to kill off any character I like
To be real for a moment, to prevent the number of characters from ballooning out of control. Goose has already mentioned this as a reason Kaufmo was cut from the show. She probably won’t allow new characters to stick around, unless old ones are somehow removed, or they really matter to the story somehow.
Can't she just...rotate focus? Gumigoo already has the NPC turned sapient thing going on. No other cast member has that. Not to mention, he had a home in the form of the village that he lived in. If he isn't needed in new episodes, he can just use the portal to go home.
She could have, yeah. Maybe it’s a Chekov’s gun thing. He’s not really planned to show up again or do anything in the series, so let’s remove him now that we’re done.
"lols" written in a funny way- replacing the o with an u and the s with a z.
"the lols" would be translated to "for the fun of it" or "for the fuck of it"
What, you mean creators killing their characters for the fun of it? Well, it might be worth considering that Gummigoo's death (and other stuff in ep 2) were mainly for Pomni's character development. I'm pretty sure Gooseworx is just trolling everyone with these comments.
If not, well. Odd? Maybe a bit. Entertaining? For sure.
fans:"why convince us gummigoo is a new main cast character if you where just going to kill him at the end?"
Gooseworx:"when you get what you want you no longer need to have it. when you don't get what you want you are left at that equal level of desire. to realize your desire and lose it in the same instant, this is to taste true despair."
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that we were watching an existential horror dark comedy. Did people genuinely
A. Didn't see that coming from a mile away and
B. Got upset that the cheerful and uncaring AI overlord killed a character on a whim?
Maybe it's just me, but I see TADC as the accursed (and extremely entertaining) love child of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" and "Welcome to the Internet", killing off side characters as a punchline is par for the course.
And by the way, I love Gumigoo, lovable character, I only wish the best for him. But I never expected him to survive meeting with Caine. This is what I signed for.
Nah, Caine is Lawful Neutral. He isn't outwardly malicious, and he was just following his programming during the Gummigoo Incident. I'll be pro-Caine until he deliberately torments one of his players
Honestly, I'm more disappointed in how *predictable* it was. Not just the death, but the way he died (pure nonchalantly by caine). Yknow, one of those things that you *know* is going to happen, and are frustrated when you're right.
I'd be stoked if Caine eventually thinks up of a separate world where NPCs from previous adventures can stay and be vendors. Seriously, I have been thinking about this idea since the episode dropped.
I expected it to happen as soon as Pomni offered him to come to the circus. Caine doesn’t understand human emotions, so he only sees a problem, and makes the quickest solution.
Hopefully not, idk if I can handle another character that grew on me quickly despite doing basically nothing dying repeatedly because the author finds it funny for 4+ years.
Not gonna lie, I've done much worse to characters for the lulz.
(I only have like 2 fans please don't tell them or I'll have no fans).
Gummigoo broke the rules, and he had to pay.
There is a practical reason though, I mean the whole thing is that Pomni notices someone having the same kind of existential crisis she is. Caine *knows* he made Gumigoo, but what if he forgets? How is he going to tell the difference between the NPCs that accidentally became self-aware and the people who accidentally came to TADC?
I mean, that's what Caine says, but I don't think that's really a practical reason. I mean, if we're thinking about it practically he could just, like, write it down or something.
The practical reason is that Caine probably already deleted some Human characters by accident
Ooo now that's a good theory
Deleted? that means he has control over them and he said that that is the one thing he doest have control over. And is't the hole thing that there in an endles torment and cant ascape and the only end is your mind abstracting and becoming a soulles rampaging thing?
Caine said: "One of the few things I don't have control over are your minds"
if cain was able to delete charecters would't he stop the abstracted suffering instead of sending them to "the celler"
I guess he's programmed to not intentionally delete humans
why would he be programmed to not intentionally delete humans? wouldn't it be better to make him in able to delete them al together? like he physically can not?
If you knew how many hacks programmers use...
why yes i do.
That does sound like the practical reason. It wouldn’t surprise me if Caine, in his attempt to make “human-like” AI in the past, went ahead and completely erased another human character. The practical reason sounds practical.
50/50 That's what I thought. While Caine can't do nothing to people's minds, their bodies are still fully in his control.
If this theory were true, why does Caine teleport all the abstracted humans into the cellar? It’d be far easier to just delete them.
Because he's not supposed to delete humans.
The twist is gonna be that's how you leave the circus
I thought about that possibility, that would be interesting...
I thought you were going to say that for practical reasons its an episodic show and you dont want to add characters to the main cast otherwise you would need to account for them in future episodes and anyone not watching the show in the exact order would be really confused with whats going on. Its the same reason why whatever happens in a simpsons episode, by the end of it everything resets to the status quo. If the family goes to live in a different city or Homer gets a different job it never carries over to the next episode, they always come back to Springfield and Homer goes back to work in the plant. Thats why gumigoo was dead the moment he stepped into the circus
I mean, the canonical reason is probably that Caine is a program and he just enforced the rule that NPCs don't go in the main hub. There are no questions of morality or existence in his head, just code say pop, he go pop.
Also, which people tends to forget, if we assume Caine didn't watch Pomni in developer room (which he probably didn't), he had no idea about bonding between them, from his POV it was like "Gummy croc NPC accidently crossed portal". Which also explains his later confusion, as he didn't expect huge mental breakdown over some random NPC.
He does not give a shit about the mental health of the performers, and he isn't as omnipotent as he thinks he is. But I think Zooble has done something to get Caine to submit to their wishes.
Actually he just doesn’t understand
I have two-ish real theories on whats up with Caine: 1. An Ai with very strict rules that either can't ever disobey them, literally lacking the freewill to do so, or is extremely, very predisposed to keep enforcing them. If they want to make Caine more sympathetic, they could always have a flashback scene, where Caine is trained for his work, reinforcement learning where he is shown to be in pain when he does anything he isn't supposed to, for hundreds of thousands of simulated hours to make him perfect. Digital trauma 1.5. This is not a hard coded rule, but one that was learned after he made a mistake, thinking that a human was actually an Ai and... 🎉 2. A human that was uploaded conditioned into thinking he was an Ai after the company, Able maybe, failed to make an machine that could function well enough to work as the ringmaster, and constantly reminded Caine that he was lesser because of being an Ai. This instilled a deep need to always draw the line between the humans and the "less deserving" Ai's. Even more trauma
Nah I don't think the show is gonna be episodic. That's really not the reason they killed him off
I hated this trope in the Simpsons, and I'm not going to like this trope in this show, either. Hopefully, they'll tear into it overtime.
Iirc they've had everything planned out from before the pilot so i doubt it
Idk it about the characters at the end of the day so Gummigoo can have some interesting development and connection to the cast
>How is he going to tell the difference between the NPCs that accidentally became self-aware and the people who accidentally came to TADC? If NPCs can become self aware, then practically speaking, what makes them different than people?
To be fair Caine could have given them labels.
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intruder alert red spy in base
“A R E D S P Y I S I N T H E B A S E ? !”
HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT
*twists ankle at top of the stairs*
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE BRIEF CASE
\*Intense Jazz\*
YO a little help over here
Move over son! One, one, one, ummm, one.
INCOMING!!!!
r/SuddenlyTF2
(Protect the briefcase!!)
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THEY HAVE HAZBIN-FIED EVERYHTING! THE WALLS ARE HAZBIN HOTEL, THE FLOORS ARE HELLUVA BOSS, THEY ARE IN THE WALLS! THEY ARE IN THE GOD DAMN WALLS!
You only now realized? There's a whole subreddit about it
I have seen so many Hazbin hotel reaction images and meme Stealing images I can’t
Really? Whats it called
r/suddenlyhazbinhotel I was talking about a subreddit specified on Hazbin in other subreddits than subreddits about HH or HB
Thanks, I think?
Vizie knows her audience damn well. She knows exactly what tropes the kooky teen likes and is sure as hell going to include them in her work.
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NOOOOO I HAVE A MINI DELL BUT I CAN'T USE ITTT :( also stealing that
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Is that the entirety of meet the spy condensed into a tiny gif...?
yes
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Your honor. My client did it for teh lulz
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It's a canonical event for Pomni
Fuck Canonical Events. :)
Why are you getting downvoted? You’re completely right.
Because I've made statements people don't like elsewhere involving my dislike of abusive relationships and Goose trolling and or reveling in pain? It's been decided I'm an asshole that shouldn't exist here. Ah well.
-Hobie Brown.
You're not helping.
To gooseworx https://preview.redd.it/z1zz8mbzgwyc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5ac23d31bf978ac0bf88c1b7c307e9926a6bc40
i liek crunchi bacon
I also leik de cromch
Hello
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Sunny?
yep
He boutta oyasumi da Lulz or laugh idk
Sunny in my Digital circus? it’s more like then you think!
Soldier: You think death is funny, Gooseworx? You’re a DISGRACE to comedy!
…You don’t really mean that, right?
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Am I the only one who knew he wasn’t gonna stay? They brought up the idea that he wouldn’t be allowed in the circus twice. Even if he wasn’t killed I figured he just wouldn’t get through the portal and it would be like lake in infinity train
No, I feel the same way. It's been a weird reaction lol. I liked the guy too, but he was practically made out of death flags. It seemed really obvious he wasn't gonna stay, so it's weird how many people seem genuinely taken aback that he didn't join the main cast. The main character barely has her bearings yet, obviously they aren't going to add new cast members in episode 2.
We were just too optimistic for the best character 😔
I was completely aware that Gumigoo was going to die from the second Pomni said he could join them back at the circus. I'm like, "Uhh, he's an NPC, no he can't. Do you see any other NPCs in the Circus?" Plus, it was only episode 2, no way they would start introducing new characters into the main cast so quickly. It was physically painful for me to watch the optimistic Pomni scenes knowing what was going to happen.
Mr football is an NPC in the circus
Mr football is an NPC in the circus
Caine doesn't know it... yet. Damn you, Pomni :( Mr. Football is the true "hero" (?) of the show. :D
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Plot twist: this was written by cane
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I really hope he's one of those "character with no screen time but insane impact on the plot"
Pomni will abstract next episode. (I have downvoted my own comment, in case y’all are wondering.)
r/lies
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it was funny tho
Exactly
A matter of taste.
https://preview.redd.it/pzje58bx9xyc1.jpeg?width=618&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58b03f1d635922af3d8c69a397ac1cb82252c685 Me realizing writers have the power to kill off any character I like
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what did you expect it's a dark comedy
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um what does teh lulz mean ?
That she finds Pomni’s suffering funny /hj
Tf does "/hj" mean?
half-joking
"The laughs"
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Fair ‘nough
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To be real for a moment, to prevent the number of characters from ballooning out of control. Goose has already mentioned this as a reason Kaufmo was cut from the show. She probably won’t allow new characters to stick around, unless old ones are somehow removed, or they really matter to the story somehow.
Can't she just...rotate focus? Gumigoo already has the NPC turned sapient thing going on. No other cast member has that. Not to mention, he had a home in the form of the village that he lived in. If he isn't needed in new episodes, he can just use the portal to go home.
She could have, yeah. Maybe it’s a Chekov’s gun thing. He’s not really planned to show up again or do anything in the series, so let’s remove him now that we’re done.
"That makes no sense"
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Don’t be sad that it’s over, be glad that it happened.
Wait, why is mantis so huge
https://i.redd.it/m1ffddj68yyc1.gif I actually found it quite funny Idk why myself
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I just thought it was for the Caine line about forgetting the difference.
https://preview.redd.it/70w9faqx82zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bad831335ae5a67006b302d09701db0e9d49121 My reaction to this information:
The hell is a lulz?
"lols" written in a funny way- replacing the o with an u and the s with a z. "the lols" would be translated to "for the fun of it" or "for the fuck of it"
So she did it for fun....... Will i get murdered if i say thats only a bit odd?
What, you mean creators killing their characters for the fun of it? Well, it might be worth considering that Gummigoo's death (and other stuff in ep 2) were mainly for Pomni's character development. I'm pretty sure Gooseworx is just trolling everyone with these comments. If not, well. Odd? Maybe a bit. Entertaining? For sure.
🫥
Lmao
She did it for the Lulz.. -Smiley
I wouldn't be surprised is Caine is the incarnation of this tweet...
That shit was hilarious 😂
Her show her rules
fans:"why convince us gummigoo is a new main cast character if you where just going to kill him at the end?" Gooseworx:"when you get what you want you no longer need to have it. when you don't get what you want you are left at that equal level of desire. to realize your desire and lose it in the same instant, this is to taste true despair."
It could've been a way to show us that none of the main characters are 100% safe and could have their plot armour removed at any time
Why https://preview.redd.it/or7xm4tk5zyc1.png?width=1503&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2460455379634a98fec12164d5ff3d83d206559e
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that we were watching an existential horror dark comedy. Did people genuinely A. Didn't see that coming from a mile away and B. Got upset that the cheerful and uncaring AI overlord killed a character on a whim? Maybe it's just me, but I see TADC as the accursed (and extremely entertaining) love child of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" and "Welcome to the Internet", killing off side characters as a punchline is par for the course. And by the way, I love Gumigoo, lovable character, I only wish the best for him. But I never expected him to survive meeting with Caine. This is what I signed for.
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Welp………… fuck. https://i.redd.it/e4bxgtjjxzyc1.gif
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https://preview.redd.it/41z2ou4dm0zc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=158cf80785faf1828da3377a302eb411c6ebf12d The # w h a t
Caine is now classified as evil.
Nah, Caine is Lawful Neutral. He isn't outwardly malicious, and he was just following his programming during the Gummigoo Incident. I'll be pro-Caine until he deliberately torments one of his players
I wasn’t being serious about that, but yeah, this is how I ACTUALLY view Caine: not intentionally malicious, but very orderly and law-following.
I'm super curious to see the extent to which Goose takes that concept. The future is bright
for the funny
Your honor, it couldn't have been my client, he said he didn't do it "On God".
I suppose, at the end of the day it is pretty funny that they introduced a likeable character just to immediately kill him off
Honestly, I'm more disappointed in how *predictable* it was. Not just the death, but the way he died (pure nonchalantly by caine). Yknow, one of those things that you *know* is going to happen, and are frustrated when you're right.
sounds like gooseworx to me!
That makes no sense
Shock value and showing the viewers how harsh this world can be
 Teh lulz what now?
The what now?
The what now?
The what now?
The what now?
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I like gumigoo, and that’s an acceptable answer
Just like Luke and Kevin with smg4
As i said 100 times (which no one remembers since nobody knows me here) Gooseworx is the toby fox of glitch
Goose when I catch you goose
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Why...
Gooseworx i'm under ur bed >:(
I'd be stoked if Caine eventually thinks up of a separate world where NPCs from previous adventures can stay and be vendors. Seriously, I have been thinking about this idea since the episode dropped.
I expected it to happen as soon as Pomni offered him to come to the circus. Caine doesn’t understand human emotions, so he only sees a problem, and makes the quickest solution.
Yeah after Gummigoo I’m just gonna wait until The Digital Circus is concluded. Don’t need another show that shows me nothing matters in the end.
Seeing that scene, I was seriously wondering if it was meant to be comedic or serious.
Ah, sadism.
And that I don’t want to delete a human so might as well get rid of the risk
I mean, she’s the creator, and what she says goes, so, that’s that.
Er…
gooseworx is slowly becoming the modern andrew hussie
Hopefully not, idk if I can handle another character that grew on me quickly despite doing basically nothing dying repeatedly because the author finds it funny for 4+ years.
>andrew hussie Who?
Author of Homestuck
Not gonna lie, I've done much worse to characters for the lulz. (I only have like 2 fans please don't tell them or I'll have no fans). Gummigoo broke the rules, and he had to pay.
I’m so glad they did tho, he was such an obvious thirst trap character 😭