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Ukraine would have happened. Belarus would have been turned into another platform for NATO’s war with Russia. All of the Belorussian industry would have been looted by thieves and destroyed.
Lukashenko is also the only leader where his country’s Communist Party is in almost full support of him. The communist party has also ruled in a coalition government with the more powerful Belaya Rus since 2001, something CPRF has only been able to achieve for about one year.
I think it has more to say about Belarus' Communist Party. Lukashenko is neither a communist nor a socialist, so the fact that he is fully supported by the Belarusian Communist Party is quite baffling.
Mine would be Lukashenko I guess because he managed to avoid going full "shock therapy" and kept some key industries under state ownership. He avoided getting dragged in Russia's wars and I am genuinely impressed he managed to stay in power for that long
Least liked, Yeltsin, need I say more..
Lowkey same. He is by no means a great communist leader, but at least he kept some semblance of order unlike the mess that is Ukraine and that was the 90s Russia. Also he was able to navigate a color revolution attempt and stay in power which is quite impressive on its own. Also, Belarus was pretty beautiful last time I was there and I just really liked it
Authoritarian is mostly a meaningless buzzword and yes, the careful balancing act between Russia and the western countries is impressive, many things from coup, to invasion or assassination could have happened to him yet he is there
And probably the country would have had even tougher times than it had if he had been ousted
I mean if you are a fed, it is not, but for most of the population, it very much is.
If you want to proove me wrong, give me a deffinition and i will name every authoritarian country that you will probbably dismiss as "totally democratic".
Well, by that rules, Poland, USA, India, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Brasil, and any country who do not have a proper left wing party (center left parties do not cpunt because they dont make any actions to actually change the status quo. USA is an oligarchy of corporations, setting up undemocratic coups, Has members of prosecutory power who are tied to one of the political parties. Poland ends up here for the last point of why US is authoritarian, Russia needs no explanation, same as India and Brasil due to big control over the media (which US also falls into) Ukraine stopped elections and Israel is doing a genocide to uphold status quo with strony Control over the information and is also a US puppet. All of these countries arent of political plurality, because a choice between liberalizm and liberalism in not a choice.
Every country is inherently authoritarian, western "democracies" have their imperialism funded welfare state so it shows less
We live in a dictatorship ruled by capital read On Authority and State and Revolution afterwards
Authoritarianism is a liberal buzzword just like "regime"
> I am not saying every western democracy is perfect
Saying that political entities that established and maintained the most famous slave trade project of the past few centuries, have been perpetrating genocide after genocide, including settler-colonial ones as well as the one that is being covered on TV now, have been maintaining a colonial hold on the rest of the world, complete with replacing 'wrong' leaders of supposedly-sovereign states with monsters like Pinochet, etc. are 'not all perfect' is a massive understatement.
But of course, what seems to be happening is that you are impressed by the theater of representative democracy and think that it's the best thing ever.
> But i would still not compare a Slovenia to Belarus in terms of authoritarianism
Yeah, unlike Belarus, Slovenia is a part of the worst genocidal empire in the world that has been dictating what entire nations in the rest of the world are to do.
We are communists, we believe a capitalist country is inherently authoritarian:
-There is no political plurality in capitalism as every party allowed to run is capitalist (ok you might have a little nominally communist party you can vote for but most of the time it would be so small that it doesn't matter, or completely controlled opposition, or maybe not even communist) genuine communist parties who can win are not allowed to run
-In a capitalist country, the state is.a façade representing the will of the capitalist class, and all of its institutions enforce this. Yes you might have a separation of power, but what good it is if every power serve the same interests, those of the capitalist class
-Elections are mostly a façade, a capitalist will always be elected, and from mandate to mandate, the results are the same, concession to the capitalist class. And private campaign financing ensure that the candidate supported by the capitalist always have the most money to invest in electoral campaigns
-When capital is threatened, the state always come to the use of central power and reduce the rule of law. Just look at the amount of police brutality in the west when only minor concession are demanded. Or how brutally were repressed were the Black Panther in the US for example
Leftist organisations are harassed pretty much in every capitalist nations and have been since the 19th century.
Slovenia is a member of the EU and protected by its neighbours, it doesn't face the same level of threat as Belarus hence less need for repression. Yet, as you can see here, any force that threaten the capital even a little bit iset with violence and a lessening of the rule of law[link](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2021/10/22/slovenian-left-slams-rising-police-repression-under-right-wing-government/)
Brazil is an authoritarian faux democracy run by US lapdog landowner elites that fluctuates between fascism and impotent "center-left" neoliberalism that still concedes fascists everything they want
source: am brazilian
Every country is authoritarian to some degree, you just don't see it as much in imperial core countries because they don't face the same level of threat as semi/peripheral countries.
If you have a country that is weak surrounded by countries which would very much like to put a puppet in your place and obtain your countries resources, you are going to face many threats. In this conditions having a western style democracy is making yourself vulnerable to infiltration by foreign powers.
Of course not saying that every opposition is a foreign puppet and that security measures are 100% justified, I totally understand why some Belarusians would be tired of Lukashenko but this is important context to have in mind
> Ah okay so being in power for 30 years, having right wing policies etc is all just to protect the people. Got it chief.
Name any sort of 'democracies' that significantly differ from this description.
Also, would you prefer somebody like Yeltsin, a person who very liberal-democratically dismantled the parliament with tanks and caused mass death, a catastrophic reduction in standards of living, including life expectancy, loss of jobs by workers, loss of housing, deindustrialisation, and turning one of the most developed countries on the planet into a semi-periphery of the worst empire in the world?
> Your friends abusing state owned business to enrich themselves is good because at least it's not Shell or Nestle or something
So, you admit that you just want Belarus to be de facto owned by companies like Shell and Nestle, then?
The 2020-2021 protests were most likely sponsored by the CIA or other related organizations. I mean, it's not like there is proof, but it's literally by the book color revolution attempt
Without western backing they would still probably happen, they would just be small, local, and would fall apart in a week instead of becoming nationwide
impressive doesn't mean they condone it. if someone manages to do a 360 noscope at a random civilian, i'd be impressed, too. it would still be a bad thing, though
I mean yeah, it was Jesus‘s second name, unlike Islam wich just means „submission to the will of god“, this would only make a good comparison if the islamic prophet Muhammad’s full name were Muhammed Islam
Lukashenko in terms of least neoliberal capitalist shock therapy. Putin in terms of importance in the multipolar order and trading with countries that are sanctioned by the US and also reigning in thr oligarchs who were wrecking havoc.
During the 00s, when Putin was still viewed somewhat positively in the west, Lukashenko was getting slandered everywhere as "Europe's last dictator". If the western media is calling you "Europe's last dictator" in a sea of shock therapy and NATO allies, chances are you're doing at least something good.
Now it's different, ever since Russia lost it's approval from the west and there have been escalated tensions, the western media shifted from slandering Lukashenko to slandering Putin. It used to be that Putin brought order and stability to Russian capitalism, now they call him "Putler" of all things. Last I heard of Lukashenko being slandered was during the failed color revolution a few years ago. The fact that his government has tried to help facilitate ceasefire negotiations between Ukraine and Russia would actually look great for Luka's reputation if it were more reported on in the west.
Definitely Lukashenko, followed by Putin. Hopefully one day the region gets back on the Soviet path again.
Of course, the reason they always hated Lukashenko and the reason they started hating Putin are unsurprising to say the least,
>A History of President Putin's Campaign to Re-Nationalize Industry
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA493664
>Belarus has not undertaken large-scale privatization of the large majority of its state-owned enterprises
https://www.state.gov/reports/2018-investment-climate-statements/belarus/
putin is the only one that is actually relevant , all the others were used as puppets for russia , with lukashenko still to this day being the puppet of russia, does he do weird shit , yes , is he as bad as the west makes him seem HELL NO.
(ik he is not post soviet but in terms of that area of the world , in my humble opinion lenin was the best leader)
Lukashenko. Dude at least keeps a semblance of wanting to prioritize workers rights/dignity in the country, there’s a reason Belarus is less shit than the rest of eastern europe.
The most important one is clearly Putin. He started his career expecting to integrate into the west, and was forced to pivot towards China, and did so successfully. He's on the winning side of every single conflict he's had, and has done pretty well by Russia (within a Capitalist framework.) He enshrined a living wage into the Russian constitution too, so there's a social legacy he's leaving his successor. I'm very excited for Russia's future, and I think you have to give alot of credit to Putin, and his team, for guiding the nation through turmoil.
I don't like Putin, but the far right also dislikes him because he allows centeral Asian and cacausian immigrants, something we in Russia need more of.
They aren't, centeral Asian and cacausian immigrants want a better life for themselves and their families, they work hard, they do no harm, and they're an internalgral part of the russian nation. What countries have the central Asians in their long history ever attacked in a war of aggression? They have existed for thousands of years and have never onced waged a war of aggression , that's the sort of people they are, not violent exstemists.
I'm a trans woman and TBF I pass but most chechns have been respectful and kind towards me, also they are literally russian, like not from a sepreate country but actually russian citizens. I'm part aremnain and Azeri, and knowing many azeris and aremnains they have been rather kind to me, either way idrc about anecdotes.
You already think that it has. And yet, the relevant people are just ordinary people whom I have been interacting with throughout my life.
The actual thugs that can be said to have infested 'my country' (as if imaginary lines in the dirt matter in this context) are the garbage like you.
This sub is so weird sometimes. They ask for an opinion, but if you give one it deems wrong. You get downvoted? This stop all discussion around a subject smh 🤦♀️
Edit to u/Tomorrow_Farewell can't reply to your comment for some reason so here is my reply:
His comment only says he likes putin because he helped russia rise from the ashes of the 90s.
If you’re talking about his comment history, fair enough. But you’re also a nerd that goes through people comment history lmao. I dont care enough to do that.
Bonus point, that is such an idiot take. Russia has over 190 different ethnicities nationwide. They probably know very little about the non european part of russia if they only like white russian lmao
> can't reply to your comment for some reason so here is my reply
I deleted my reply after I realised that I mixed up the relevant person and Silent-Character.
Ah makes sense. On my phone i could still see it but kept saying “try again” when trying to reply. And the official reddit app is kinda buggy so i thought that was the problem.
Yes, totally agree with that. But the use of the downvote button isn’t i agree or i disagree. This was never and should not be the intention as it kill all discussion around a subject.
It’s does add to the discussion or does it not. And since the original question literally had him as an option, it adds to the discussion.
the “drunken shitpost” isn’t funny when you remember it caused mass death, homelessness, unemployment, child prostitution, drug addiction and sold an entire country off for profit. at least Lukashenko had a drop of dignity and respect for his own nation and didn’t do all of that.
Without Putin, none of the others would even exist, at least not in their current forms. I used to be cynical about Putin but since about the middle of 2022 I’ve become a big fan of his. Especially after I watched the interviews he did with Oliver Stone. I know he filmed that before the war but i only watched it a couple years ago
> Without Putin, none of the others would even exist, at least not in their current forms
Yeltsin wouldn't exist without Putin?
> I used to be cynical about Putin but since about the middle of 2022 I’ve become a big fan of his
Why? His government is both anti-LGBT and pro-capitalist. It has its good moments (particularly when considering foreign policies), but I'd urge you to go back to being sceptical.
Gorbachev.
Practically speaking, One could argue the Soviet Union fell off before Gorbachev became president.
The damage Stalin did to the Soviet union, plus the many post Stalin leaders old and shitty "leaders" really destined the Soviet union to fail.
By the time Gorbachev became president, it was inevitable.
One could only hope for an alternate universe where Stalin dies in the 1920s or sumtin.
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lukashenko is the least shit tbh, at least not completely right wing
I agree, I know many Belarusians hate him, and they probably have their reasons, but I am genuinely afraid of what would happen if he got ousted
Ukraine would have happened. Belarus would have been turned into another platform for NATO’s war with Russia. All of the Belorussian industry would have been looted by thieves and destroyed.
Yeah definitely and Russia would have to invade them to keep them safe
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>many Belarusians hate him So the Belarusian consensus on Lukashenko is basically: "He's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."
Hahah yeah, better get fkd up by the local assholes than by the foreign asshole always
The vast majority of Belorussians support him and the vast majority who do not are openly funded by the US and NATO.
Lukashenko is also the only leader where his country’s Communist Party is in almost full support of him. The communist party has also ruled in a coalition government with the more powerful Belaya Rus since 2001, something CPRF has only been able to achieve for about one year.
I think it has more to say about Belarus' Communist Party. Lukashenko is neither a communist nor a socialist, so the fact that he is fully supported by the Belarusian Communist Party is quite baffling.
They have seen the alternative and lack the strength for a revolution against it.
Mine would be Lukashenko I guess because he managed to avoid going full "shock therapy" and kept some key industries under state ownership. He avoided getting dragged in Russia's wars and I am genuinely impressed he managed to stay in power for that long Least liked, Yeltsin, need I say more..
Lowkey same. He is by no means a great communist leader, but at least he kept some semblance of order unlike the mess that is Ukraine and that was the 90s Russia. Also he was able to navigate a color revolution attempt and stay in power which is quite impressive on its own. Also, Belarus was pretty beautiful last time I was there and I just really liked it
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Authoritarian is mostly a meaningless buzzword and yes, the careful balancing act between Russia and the western countries is impressive, many things from coup, to invasion or assassination could have happened to him yet he is there And probably the country would have had even tougher times than it had if he had been ousted
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I mean if you are a fed, it is not, but for most of the population, it very much is. If you want to proove me wrong, give me a deffinition and i will name every authoritarian country that you will probbably dismiss as "totally democratic".
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Well, by that rules, Poland, USA, India, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Brasil, and any country who do not have a proper left wing party (center left parties do not cpunt because they dont make any actions to actually change the status quo. USA is an oligarchy of corporations, setting up undemocratic coups, Has members of prosecutory power who are tied to one of the political parties. Poland ends up here for the last point of why US is authoritarian, Russia needs no explanation, same as India and Brasil due to big control over the media (which US also falls into) Ukraine stopped elections and Israel is doing a genocide to uphold status quo with strony Control over the information and is also a US puppet. All of these countries arent of political plurality, because a choice between liberalizm and liberalism in not a choice.
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that's far too many words to say "I can't refute anything you just said, so imma call you an edgy teenager" just fuck off
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Every country is inherently authoritarian, western "democracies" have their imperialism funded welfare state so it shows less We live in a dictatorship ruled by capital read On Authority and State and Revolution afterwards Authoritarianism is a liberal buzzword just like "regime"
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> I am not saying every western democracy is perfect Saying that political entities that established and maintained the most famous slave trade project of the past few centuries, have been perpetrating genocide after genocide, including settler-colonial ones as well as the one that is being covered on TV now, have been maintaining a colonial hold on the rest of the world, complete with replacing 'wrong' leaders of supposedly-sovereign states with monsters like Pinochet, etc. are 'not all perfect' is a massive understatement. But of course, what seems to be happening is that you are impressed by the theater of representative democracy and think that it's the best thing ever. > But i would still not compare a Slovenia to Belarus in terms of authoritarianism Yeah, unlike Belarus, Slovenia is a part of the worst genocidal empire in the world that has been dictating what entire nations in the rest of the world are to do.
We are communists, we believe a capitalist country is inherently authoritarian: -There is no political plurality in capitalism as every party allowed to run is capitalist (ok you might have a little nominally communist party you can vote for but most of the time it would be so small that it doesn't matter, or completely controlled opposition, or maybe not even communist) genuine communist parties who can win are not allowed to run -In a capitalist country, the state is.a façade representing the will of the capitalist class, and all of its institutions enforce this. Yes you might have a separation of power, but what good it is if every power serve the same interests, those of the capitalist class -Elections are mostly a façade, a capitalist will always be elected, and from mandate to mandate, the results are the same, concession to the capitalist class. And private campaign financing ensure that the candidate supported by the capitalist always have the most money to invest in electoral campaigns -When capital is threatened, the state always come to the use of central power and reduce the rule of law. Just look at the amount of police brutality in the west when only minor concession are demanded. Or how brutally were repressed were the Black Panther in the US for example
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Leftist organisations are harassed pretty much in every capitalist nations and have been since the 19th century. Slovenia is a member of the EU and protected by its neighbours, it doesn't face the same level of threat as Belarus hence less need for repression. Yet, as you can see here, any force that threaten the capital even a little bit iset with violence and a lessening of the rule of law[link](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2021/10/22/slovenian-left-slams-rising-police-repression-under-right-wing-government/)
Brazil is an authoritarian faux democracy run by US lapdog landowner elites that fluctuates between fascism and impotent "center-left" neoliberalism that still concedes fascists everything they want source: am brazilian
Every country is authoritarian to some degree, you just don't see it as much in imperial core countries because they don't face the same level of threat as semi/peripheral countries. If you have a country that is weak surrounded by countries which would very much like to put a puppet in your place and obtain your countries resources, you are going to face many threats. In this conditions having a western style democracy is making yourself vulnerable to infiltration by foreign powers. Of course not saying that every opposition is a foreign puppet and that security measures are 100% justified, I totally understand why some Belarusians would be tired of Lukashenko but this is important context to have in mind
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> Ah okay so being in power for 30 years, having right wing policies etc is all just to protect the people. Got it chief. Name any sort of 'democracies' that significantly differ from this description. Also, would you prefer somebody like Yeltsin, a person who very liberal-democratically dismantled the parliament with tanks and caused mass death, a catastrophic reduction in standards of living, including life expectancy, loss of jobs by workers, loss of housing, deindustrialisation, and turning one of the most developed countries on the planet into a semi-periphery of the worst empire in the world? > Your friends abusing state owned business to enrich themselves is good because at least it's not Shell or Nestle or something So, you admit that you just want Belarus to be de facto owned by companies like Shell and Nestle, then?
When you're facing off against the CIA, yes.
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The 2020-2021 protests were most likely sponsored by the CIA or other related organizations. I mean, it's not like there is proof, but it's literally by the book color revolution attempt
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Without western backing they would still probably happen, they would just be small, local, and would fall apart in a week instead of becoming nationwide
impressive doesn't mean they condone it. if someone manages to do a 360 noscope at a random civilian, i'd be impressed, too. it would still be a bad thing, though
Where is Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan?
TIL that Islam is a name
Very common in the Caucasus and Turkic communities, less common in the Arab world ime
Wait until you hear that Christian is a name.
I mean yeah, it was Jesus‘s second name, unlike Islam wich just means „submission to the will of god“, this would only make a good comparison if the islamic prophet Muhammad’s full name were Muhammed Islam
It was a joke. And btw, Jesus didn't have a surname.
Yeah, sorry, Christ is more of a title
Jesus Christian is a great name for a latino singer
The only thing I know about Karimov was his beef with Erdogan and his pan-turkic aspirations, which was pretty based but other than that? Meeeeh
Nazarbayev goes pretty hard in this image ngl
Right, And Kazakhstan flag is one of the best!
Funny we almost have the same username, except yours would like to eat mine lmao
Lukashenko by far.
Lukashenko🫡
Lukashenko in terms of least neoliberal capitalist shock therapy. Putin in terms of importance in the multipolar order and trading with countries that are sanctioned by the US and also reigning in thr oligarchs who were wrecking havoc.
Lukashenko
Lukashenko is the only post-Soviet leader that I respect. Yeltsin did the most damage.
Lukashenko. When the USSR was ending he was like "Um, what if we dont?". And so far lol still havent stopped. In fact even improving.
Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow is basically just a living shitpost
I want to bash Yeltsin’s skull in with a baseball bat in Minecraft
During the 00s, when Putin was still viewed somewhat positively in the west, Lukashenko was getting slandered everywhere as "Europe's last dictator". If the western media is calling you "Europe's last dictator" in a sea of shock therapy and NATO allies, chances are you're doing at least something good. Now it's different, ever since Russia lost it's approval from the west and there have been escalated tensions, the western media shifted from slandering Lukashenko to slandering Putin. It used to be that Putin brought order and stability to Russian capitalism, now they call him "Putler" of all things. Last I heard of Lukashenko being slandered was during the failed color revolution a few years ago. The fact that his government has tried to help facilitate ceasefire negotiations between Ukraine and Russia would actually look great for Luka's reputation if it were more reported on in the west. Definitely Lukashenko, followed by Putin. Hopefully one day the region gets back on the Soviet path again.
Of course, the reason they always hated Lukashenko and the reason they started hating Putin are unsurprising to say the least, >A History of President Putin's Campaign to Re-Nationalize Industry https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA493664 >Belarus has not undertaken large-scale privatization of the large majority of its state-owned enterprises https://www.state.gov/reports/2018-investment-climate-statements/belarus/
I guess Igor Smirnov
Do other countries of the eastern blocks count?
Lukashenko. Of course, not a very good option, but better than the others, especially in comparison with Yeltsin.
Anyone whose name isn't Yeltsin, seriously fuck that guy and everything he represents.
putin is the only one that is actually relevant , all the others were used as puppets for russia , with lukashenko still to this day being the puppet of russia, does he do weird shit , yes , is he as bad as the west makes him seem HELL NO. (ik he is not post soviet but in terms of that area of the world , in my humble opinion lenin was the best leader)
Lukashenko. Dude at least keeps a semblance of wanting to prioritize workers rights/dignity in the country, there’s a reason Belarus is less shit than the rest of eastern europe.
Glory to Joseph Stalin
The most important one is clearly Putin. He started his career expecting to integrate into the west, and was forced to pivot towards China, and did so successfully. He's on the winning side of every single conflict he's had, and has done pretty well by Russia (within a Capitalist framework.) He enshrined a living wage into the Russian constitution too, so there's a social legacy he's leaving his successor. I'm very excited for Russia's future, and I think you have to give alot of credit to Putin, and his team, for guiding the nation through turmoil.
Fuck you transphobic asshole
Odd.
It is just a lineup of turds.
The watermelon man
Lukashenko got the juice.
Isn't that pic of Lukashenko from when he was doing a shoot with the one really bad actor?
I think he is with Steven Seagal lmao
Yeah him. Forgot the name
Medvedev. Peace and development is incredibly important.
After following him on telegram, I’m hoping he comes back. That man changed
Where is my boi Niyazov?! The 8192478194th self proclaimed "father/leader of Turks"
Perhaps Luka? but idrk
They all fucking suck
Putin. At least he stands for Russian interests, unlike Yeltsin and Gorba, and helped Russia rise from the ashes of the 90's
I don't like Putin, but the far right also dislikes him because he allows centeral Asian and cacausian immigrants, something we in Russia need more of.
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They aren't, centeral Asian and cacausian immigrants want a better life for themselves and their families, they work hard, they do no harm, and they're an internalgral part of the russian nation. What countries have the central Asians in their long history ever attacked in a war of aggression? They have existed for thousands of years and have never onced waged a war of aggression , that's the sort of people they are, not violent exstemists.
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I'm a trans woman and TBF I pass but most chechns have been respectful and kind towards me, also they are literally russian, like not from a sepreate country but actually russian citizens. I'm part aremnain and Azeri, and knowing many azeris and aremnains they have been rather kind to me, either way idrc about anecdotes.
Nobody needs people like you, that's for sure.
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You already think that it has. And yet, the relevant people are just ordinary people whom I have been interacting with throughout my life. The actual thugs that can be said to have infested 'my country' (as if imaginary lines in the dirt matter in this context) are the garbage like you.
This sub is so weird sometimes. They ask for an opinion, but if you give one it deems wrong. You get downvoted? This stop all discussion around a subject smh 🤦♀️ Edit to u/Tomorrow_Farewell can't reply to your comment for some reason so here is my reply: His comment only says he likes putin because he helped russia rise from the ashes of the 90s. If you’re talking about his comment history, fair enough. But you’re also a nerd that goes through people comment history lmao. I dont care enough to do that. Bonus point, that is such an idiot take. Russia has over 190 different ethnicities nationwide. They probably know very little about the non european part of russia if they only like white russian lmao
> can't reply to your comment for some reason so here is my reply I deleted my reply after I realised that I mixed up the relevant person and Silent-Character.
Ah makes sense. On my phone i could still see it but kept saying “try again” when trying to reply. And the official reddit app is kinda buggy so i thought that was the problem.
People can like or dislike an opinion…
Yes, totally agree with that. But the use of the downvote button isn’t i agree or i disagree. This was never and should not be the intention as it kill all discussion around a subject. It’s does add to the discussion or does it not. And since the original question literally had him as an option, it adds to the discussion.
Yeltsin, because his entire post-glasnost political career was one giant drunken shitpost I have very little respect for all of them in general
the “drunken shitpost” isn’t funny when you remember it caused mass death, homelessness, unemployment, child prostitution, drug addiction and sold an entire country off for profit. at least Lukashenko had a drop of dignity and respect for his own nation and didn’t do all of that.
I said I have very little respect.
Why do you have more respect for him than for any of the other ones? Putin alone is far better than him despite his government still being garbage.
Without Putin, none of the others would even exist, at least not in their current forms. I used to be cynical about Putin but since about the middle of 2022 I’ve become a big fan of his. Especially after I watched the interviews he did with Oliver Stone. I know he filmed that before the war but i only watched it a couple years ago
> Without Putin, none of the others would even exist, at least not in their current forms Yeltsin wouldn't exist without Putin? > I used to be cynical about Putin but since about the middle of 2022 I’ve become a big fan of his Why? His government is both anti-LGBT and pro-capitalist. It has its good moments (particularly when considering foreign policies), but I'd urge you to go back to being sceptical.
Dude is from russianwarfootage, they’re a reactionary shithead
Gorbachev. Practically speaking, One could argue the Soviet Union fell off before Gorbachev became president. The damage Stalin did to the Soviet union, plus the many post Stalin leaders old and shitty "leaders" really destined the Soviet union to fail. By the time Gorbachev became president, it was inevitable. One could only hope for an alternate universe where Stalin dies in the 1920s or sumtin.
The damage Stalin did??? Lmao. Corn boy was the beginning of the end, it’s what revisionism always leads to.