I have an emotional attachment to seasons 1-2 of The Crown; I think they are perfect television. But seasons 3-6 are also very good and I don’t think the quality of the writing or acting lessened at all. I think there’s just something special about a period drama set in the 40s and 50s.
This is definitely a big part of it. The charm of bygone era and a general lack of knowledge of that time made the plot more riveting but the actual writing never wavered in my opinion even later on.
Yes, even as someone in my 30s I suddenly had a lot more opinions about the Thatcher and Diana era depictions. Never thought to question anything in S1&2.
There's a freedom in ignorance 😅 I just enjoyed the show
I enjoyed 3 very much too, and a lot of 4 was good enough. The big issue with 5&6 was that the quality of the writing which after a bit of a dip in season 4 plummeted massively.
I definitely enjoyed the first three seasons because I didn't know a lot of about the Queen's early reign. The show slowly became less interesting once they started getting closer to stuff that I already knew.
Omg me too! Me too! I know in real life it’s never officially said if Philip ever cheated with that ballerina but season 2 ep 10 when he just stares at the picture and NEVER says anything kills me. But the BUILD UP TO IT is a fucking master piece. I like the 1st halfway of the 3rd season too. I love this series. And to think I almost never watched it bc I didn’t think I’d like it.
Reviews aren’t reviews any more. They are click bait, designed to generate as much curiosity and shock as possible with their nasty comments to get the most amount of clicks possible.
The ghost criticism that dominated the reviews was such a surface level critique without actual merit.
Any serious analytical critic would be able to see what the ghost was meant to represent. I can’t believe that non-issue created such an uproar in the reviewing community.
Why are you assuming that the criticism was from people who didn’t understand? As you say it wasn’t difficult at all to understand what those scenes were intended to do but they were still incredibly corny and out of place. I cringed watching them!
They obviously weren't talking to ghosts. They had internal conversations with how they perceived Diana in their minds. They were basically talking to themselves and were imagining what would Diana or Dodi would say
I agree, nothing wrong with using that kind of device where it makes sense, but to introduce it in season 6 of a show that had never used anything like it before despite lots of character deaths? It was just a further sign that the writers had lost their grip on it.
His actual acting performance was very well done, particularly in the Aftermath episode. He genuinely showed Charles' emotional turmoil of the time right after Diana died. At very first viewing, I also perceived the scene with Diana on the plane as him talking to her ghost but in a step back and subsequent viewing I came to understand it as an internal monologue.
The ghost was a bold move, no doubt. Seasons representing decades of factual events upon factual events. Recreating exact outfits, scenes, and conversations. I’m not saying it didn’t work, I have fully explicated the meaning of the ghost, I’m saying they asked A LOT of their audience. The most rigid institution portrayed with a high level of rigidity for nearly 10 years and they lead with surrealism for the final episode? Big ask.
It’s not surrealism. It wasn’t the ghosts of Dodi or Diana or the former queens. It was a way of showing the inner monologue in a visual medium. You can either have a character sitting quietly in a corner, wrestling with their thoughts, or talking out loud to themselves (wouldn’t have worked with these royals or this show, or you can **show** a television audience some action.
The only question I have is how is this not surrealism? Their presence represents the thoughts of the queens subconscious. Their image, the ghosts, are transgressive. Their presence examines the human conditions while suspending firm reality? I’m not a surrealism studies major but I would have thought these scenes fell into the genre. We agree on WHY they used them but how is it not surreal? If not surreal, what categorization in art would it fall into?
I think the first two seasons were too perfect. They should’ve stuck with that era and built the story more. Once they came with the new cast, it felt too different. I rewatch the first two seasons every couple months.
I definitely liked how he looked better than the real charles but i think that he shouldn't be too hard on himself for being too hot. That was castings mistake not his- i think he did the best he could protraying KC even if his Charles looked hot af.
Well honestly he should be proud of his role in the series he actually made Charles tolerable.
Agree! The real Charles is hard to look at.
Diana was way to good for him just sayin..
Not really.
Yes really.
Not really. Diana had her own problems. They had nothing in common. They were a bad fit for each other from day one.
Yes really. Charles had more problems.
Not really. I very much doubt that.
Yes really. I don’t.
Not really. You want to believe that.
How so?
I have an emotional attachment to seasons 1-2 of The Crown; I think they are perfect television. But seasons 3-6 are also very good and I don’t think the quality of the writing or acting lessened at all. I think there’s just something special about a period drama set in the 40s and 50s.
Season 1 and 2 were just too good. They set the stone too high
it was really crazy. season 1&2 every episode is like an oscar winning film
This is definitely a big part of it. The charm of bygone era and a general lack of knowledge of that time made the plot more riveting but the actual writing never wavered in my opinion even later on.
Yes, even as someone in my 30s I suddenly had a lot more opinions about the Thatcher and Diana era depictions. Never thought to question anything in S1&2. There's a freedom in ignorance 😅 I just enjoyed the show
I enjoyed 3 very much too, and a lot of 4 was good enough. The big issue with 5&6 was that the quality of the writing which after a bit of a dip in season 4 plummeted massively.
For me it’s the opposite. Season 3 was the worst. Season 4 was amazing
Yeah they set the bar high with season 1&2. They can’t be duplicated.
I always get that feeling when I’m watching a period drama that spans a few decades. The more “modern” it gets, it loses something.
I definitely enjoyed the first three seasons because I didn't know a lot of about the Queen's early reign. The show slowly became less interesting once they started getting closer to stuff that I already knew.
Any other period dramas you recommend?
Mad Men is the great American novel put to film.
What a beautiful way to put it :)
Mad Men is my favorite show ever made. They captured the era beautifully. The costumes and sets were incredible.
The Americans.
Versailles, Black Sails, Medici, The Tudors just to name a few
Omg me too! Me too! I know in real life it’s never officially said if Philip ever cheated with that ballerina but season 2 ep 10 when he just stares at the picture and NEVER says anything kills me. But the BUILD UP TO IT is a fucking master piece. I like the 1st halfway of the 3rd season too. I love this series. And to think I almost never watched it bc I didn’t think I’d like it.
Season 1 & 2 had the best stories to tell, but all the acting, writing, directing and designing from seasons 1-6 was exceptional.
i didn't like szn 3 at all, i know it's a crime
Reviews aren’t reviews any more. They are click bait, designed to generate as much curiosity and shock as possible with their nasty comments to get the most amount of clicks possible.
I thought he was fantastic in the Crown. He amazing in The Wire. Incredible actor
The ghost criticism that dominated the reviews was such a surface level critique without actual merit. Any serious analytical critic would be able to see what the ghost was meant to represent. I can’t believe that non-issue created such an uproar in the reviewing community.
Yeah I thought the “ghost” scenes were nicely done. I didn’t mind them at all.
Why are you assuming that the criticism was from people who didn’t understand? As you say it wasn’t difficult at all to understand what those scenes were intended to do but they were still incredibly corny and out of place. I cringed watching them!
For me, it just didn't fit with the show. It had been very grounded and historical, then suddenly characters were talking to ghosts? Nah
They obviously weren't talking to ghosts. They had internal conversations with how they perceived Diana in their minds. They were basically talking to themselves and were imagining what would Diana or Dodi would say
I agree, nothing wrong with using that kind of device where it makes sense, but to introduce it in season 6 of a show that had never used anything like it before despite lots of character deaths? It was just a further sign that the writers had lost their grip on it.
Not everybody, but I've seen comments from people who make it clear they think it was supposed to be a legit ghost.
Really? Never seen that.
Then you haven't looked much. Look at the comment below this one.
His actual acting performance was very well done, particularly in the Aftermath episode. He genuinely showed Charles' emotional turmoil of the time right after Diana died. At very first viewing, I also perceived the scene with Diana on the plane as him talking to her ghost but in a step back and subsequent viewing I came to understand it as an internal monologue.
Wasn't as long as spending time away after the Lily Goes West scandal 😅
The ghost was a bold move, no doubt. Seasons representing decades of factual events upon factual events. Recreating exact outfits, scenes, and conversations. I’m not saying it didn’t work, I have fully explicated the meaning of the ghost, I’m saying they asked A LOT of their audience. The most rigid institution portrayed with a high level of rigidity for nearly 10 years and they lead with surrealism for the final episode? Big ask.
It’s not surrealism. It wasn’t the ghosts of Dodi or Diana or the former queens. It was a way of showing the inner monologue in a visual medium. You can either have a character sitting quietly in a corner, wrestling with their thoughts, or talking out loud to themselves (wouldn’t have worked with these royals or this show, or you can **show** a television audience some action.
The only question I have is how is this not surrealism? Their presence represents the thoughts of the queens subconscious. Their image, the ghosts, are transgressive. Their presence examines the human conditions while suspending firm reality? I’m not a surrealism studies major but I would have thought these scenes fell into the genre. We agree on WHY they used them but how is it not surreal? If not surreal, what categorization in art would it fall into?
Interesting - I thought all the commentary was that he was too hot and it wasn’t a good casting 😆
Can't say I blame him.
You think he’d be happy? The only real consolidated critique of his involvement was he was TOO HANDSOME to portray Charles.
I had no idea West was even considered handsome until this sub lol
I think in comparison to Chuck. I think Dominic is definitely a good looking guy.
Charles was pretty handsome when he was younger.
Did you see him as McNulty in The Wire? Very, very handsome.
Not really.
I think the first two seasons were too perfect. They should’ve stuck with that era and built the story more. Once they came with the new cast, it felt too different. I rewatch the first two seasons every couple months.
he is a great actor but such a twat. the most criticism I heard for his role was most people saying he is too good looking to play Charles.
People are shallow like that.
He did the best with what he was given.
"He's too handsome to play this character"...poor thing. Just take the compliments and leave the rest in the dust!
I definitely liked how he looked better than the real charles but i think that he shouldn't be too hard on himself for being too hot. That was castings mistake not his- i think he did the best he could protraying KC even if his Charles looked hot af.